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11/7/2014 2:41:44 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
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In searching for truth, one is obligated to do the following: to think, to respect evidence, to accept what evidence says or implies, no matter how it contradicts one"s belief. For one"s need to believe or not, there are these corresponding obligations. That means non-thinkers are not excused from simply labelling one thing or the other " an easy way out for refusing to use one"s brain.

Lazy non-thinkers are fast in labelling things they do not understand as fiction. The Bible is fiction to atheists. But what does the Bible say?

The words of God in the Bible are words of truth.

PSALMS 12:6
The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.

The sum of His words is the truth.

REVISED STANDARD VERSION
PSALMS 119:160
The sum of thy word is truth; and every one of thy righteous ordinances endures forever.

The words of God are powerful that they sanctify a believer.

JOHN 17:17
Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

In following God"s laws, a man can be made holy.

THE ROMANS 7:12
Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

Transgressing the commandments or disobeying God"s words produce sin and evil.

I JOHN 3:4
Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

The dictionary defines "fiction" as not real, but imaginary, theoretical, an invention. Calling the Bible fiction because it does not mean anything to someone, does not make it fiction " anymore than when a librarian places it in the Fiction counter. Some people label austere matters in the negative in their efforts to dismiss them as nonsense.

Here are some tweets as a response to my blogs on atheism "

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To say the least that the Bible is a book of fiction is tantamount to saying that it is fiction to love a wife or a husband. Here are injunctions of the Bible "

EPHESIANS 5:25, 28
25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.

It will also be fiction to be faithful to a wife or a husband.

MALACHI 2:15
And did not he make one? Yet had he the residue of the spirit. And wherefore one? That he might seek a godly seed. Therefore take heed to your spirit, and let none deal treacherously against the wife of his youth.

At creation, God made in the beginning only one man to have only one wife to preserve a godly seed that will always obey the will of their Creator, teaching them not to deal treacherously with each other. This union He pronounced to be a life-long union.

MATTHEW 19:4-6
4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,
5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh
6 Therefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

THE ROMANS 7:2
For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.

So, is being faithful to each other fiction?

HEBREWS 13:4
Marriage is honorable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.

Imagine the evil that would result in regarding these pronouncements as fiction!

Love your neighbor as yourself. Fiction?

Honor your father and your mother. Fiction?
Is this hearsay?

MATTHEW 5:42
Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.

What about injunctions for keeping the environment safe when one responds to the call of nature? Fiction?

DEUTERONOMY 23:13
And thou shalt have a paddle upon thy weapon; and it shall be, when thou wilt ease thyself abroad, thou shalt dig therewith, and shalt turn back and cover that which cometh from thee: " fiction?

This commandment is an exact knowledge where modern communities got the idea of constructing septic tanks and proper sewage systems.

What about practicing a good conscience towards God and fellowman? Fiction?

THE ACTS 24:16
And herein do I exercise myself, to have always a conscience void of offense toward God, and toward men.

Disregard all these words of God like the commandments, "thou shall not kill," "thou shall not covet," "thou shall not steal," "thou shall not bear false witness against thy neighbour," and many more, and it will make you an atheist over time. It will give you freedom to do all things contrary to these morals and goodness! This will result in evil everywhere; accidents will happen; violence will erupt like the BIG BAAAANNNNGGGG!

Who originated the idea that God does not exist?

PSALMS 53:1-3
1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.
2 God looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, that did seek God.
3 Every one of them is gone back: they are altogether become filthy; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

Every one of those who refuse to believe in the existence of God got that idea from their want of freedom to do evil! This is the same idea I read on buses in London.

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The story behind these ads appeared in an article written by William Crawley, titled "Top Ten Religion Stories of the Year,"
http://www.bbc.co.uk..., 31 December 2009 "

Atheism on the buses. Ads reading "There"s probably no God" appeared on buses across the country after the Atheist Bus Campaign raised more than "140,000 to counter Christian advertisements on London buses. Christian campaigners complained, unsuccessfully, to the Advertising Standards Authority, and Ron Heather, a Christian bus driver in Southampton, refused to drive any bus bearing the ads.

More than all of these, God is a God of order.

I CORINTHIANS 14:33, 40
33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
40 Let all things be done decently and in order.

He set order and ordinance in the universe.

JOB 38:33
Knowest thou the ordinances of heaven? Canst thou set the dominion thereof in the earth?

Order can be observed within the unfathomable reaches of the universe!

Can order be attained in an accident like the big bang? Never!

Science and wisdom is inherent in nature. Man"s knowledge in science is a result of the discovery of such wisdom through systematic observation and experimentation. Time and again we are witnesses to the fact that mathematically and scientifically, an accepted truth in man"s limited knowledge in science may vary even to the point where one contention denies the other. No scientist with his understanding of the vastness of science will say that what he knows about everything that exists is complete enough to conclude that he is 100% right in every aspect. Only the atheists do this " in all their arrogance and careless ignorance!

True enough, the Bible tells us exactly so!

ECCLESIASTES 8:17
Then I beheld all the work of God, that a man cannot find out the work that is done under the sun: because though a man labor to seek it out, yet he shall not find it; yea further; though a wise man think to know it, yet shall he not be able to find it.

We may know a part of God"s work or an area in the vast domain of His power and wisdom but not all! It is a challenge written in the word of God which up to now is still stands uncontested! The truth is, no atheist can claim monopoly over science which
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11/7/2014 2:49:18 AM
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So, the Bible is true because the Bible says it's true. Re-check your list. I believe your first item was to think. Circular arguments tend to indicate a lack of thought.
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11/7/2014 2:55:20 AM
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We may know a part of God"s work or an area in the vast domain of His power and wisdom but not all! It is a challenge written in the word of God which up to now is still stands uncontested! The truth is, no atheist can claim monopoly over science which is only a small fraction of God"s wisdom!

The problem with atheists is that they pride themselves as possessing some wisdom that others do not have.

I CORINTHIANS 3:18
Don"t deceive yourselves. If any of you think you are wise in the ways of this world, you should give up that wisdom in order to become really wise.

This is my advice to an atheist. May God bless you. Keep in touch for more to come.
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11/7/2014 3:35:26 AM
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At 11/7/2014 2:55:20 AM, Bendido wrote:
We may know a part of God"s work or an area in the vast domain of His power and wisdom but not all! It is a challenge written in the word of God which up to now is still stands uncontested! The truth is, no atheist can claim monopoly over science which is only a small fraction of God"s wisdom!

The problem with atheists is that they pride themselves as possessing some wisdom that others do not have.





I CORINTHIANS 3:18
Don"t deceive yourselves. If any of you think you are wise in the ways of this world, you should give up that wisdom in order to become really wise.

This is my advice to an atheist. May God bless you. Keep in touch for more to come.

Thanks for the warning.
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11/7/2014 5:40:15 AM
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At 11/7/2014 2:41:44 AM, Bendido wrote:
to respect evidence,
Supply some for the existence of a god.
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11/7/2014 5:48:54 AM
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At 11/7/2014 5:40:15 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 11/7/2014 2:41:44 AM, Bendido wrote:
to respect evidence,
Supply some for the existence of a god.

Let me make a prediction: Evidence of God shall be contained in the Bible and nothing else,

and the case against evolution shall be limited to exposed hoaxes and misunderstanding of scientific inquest.
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11/7/2014 7:29:08 AM
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At 11/7/2014 2:55:20 AM, Bendido wrote:

This is my advice to an atheist. May God bless you. Keep in touch for more to come.

Why do I have the sinking feeling that the more to come is yet more preaching and more voluminous quotes from scripture? I can't wait. Not!
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11/7/2014 8:48:15 AM
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You cannot win Atheists with diluted logic. Their highly developed sense of deductive reasoning and logic are why they are atheists to begin with. If you invite them to argue logic, they will rise to the challenge and leave you confused and beaten. It cannot be won using scripture. Don't even attempt it.

Personal conviction is just that, personal. You cannot tell someone how to have faith. You can't show them. And you can't argue it into them. It's something you either have or you don't. Faith is a feeling in action. You cannot make someone feel any emotion. And if you try, the only emotion you will affect in the long run is anger. You can't make someone happy, but you sure can piss them off trying.

Unless you can arrange a physical visit from God they will not have "faith" that God is real. It's better to accept them for who they are.
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11/7/2014 10:16:20 AM
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It could be a true statement that gods word is truth. That doesnt make everything in the bible truth or gods word, if it is truth it should be able to stand up to current knowledge.
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11/8/2014 7:10:27 AM
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At 11/7/2014 2:55:20 AM, Bendido wrote:
The problem with atheists is that they pride themselves as possessing some wisdom that others do not have.
Nah!
We just think.
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11/8/2014 7:23:18 AM
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At 11/7/2014 8:48:15 AM, jodybirdy wrote:
You cannot win Atheists with diluted logic. Their highly developed sense of deductive reasoning and logic are why they are atheists to begin with. If you invite them to argue logic, they will rise to the challenge and leave you confused and beaten. It cannot be won using scripture. Don't even attempt it.

Personal conviction is just that, personal. You cannot tell someone how to have faith. You can't show them. And you can't argue it into them. It's something you either have or you don't. Faith is a feeling in action. You cannot make someone feel any emotion. And if you try, the only emotion you will affect in the long run is anger. You can't make someone happy, but you sure can piss them off trying.

Unless you can arrange a physical visit from God they will not have "faith" that God is real. It's better to accept them for who they are.

They are making advancements in replicating the third man phenomena. I'm scared to think that one day in the not to distant future, we will be able to artificially force people to feel God and thus dissuade them from the noble path of logical thinking.
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11/8/2014 7:46:55 AM
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At 11/8/2014 7:23:18 AM, tvellalott wrote:
At 11/7/2014 8:48:15 AM, jodybirdy wrote:
You cannot win Atheists with diluted logic. Their highly developed sense of deductive reasoning and logic are why they are atheists to begin with. If you invite them to argue logic, they will rise to the challenge and leave you confused and beaten. It cannot be won using scripture. Don't even attempt it.

Personal conviction is just that, personal. You cannot tell someone how to have faith. You can't show them. And you can't argue it into them. It's something you either have or you don't. Faith is a feeling in action. You cannot make someone feel any emotion. And if you try, the only emotion you will affect in the long run is anger. You can't make someone happy, but you sure can piss them off trying.

Unless you can arrange a physical visit from God they will not have "faith" that God is real. It's better to accept them for who they are.

They are making advancements in replicating the third man phenomena. I'm scared to think that one day in the not to distant future, we will be able to artificially force people to feel God and thus dissuade them from the noble path of logical thinking.

I tend to think this illustrates how the human mind works, and not the existence of a transcendental being.
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11/8/2014 8:21:06 AM
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At 11/7/2014 2:41:44 AM, Bendido wrote:
No scientist with his understanding of the vastness of science will say that what he knows about everything that exists is complete enough to conclude that he is 100% right in every aspect. Only the atheists do this " in all their arrogance and careless ignorance!

You clearly do not understand the first thing about atheism, and judging by your post I don't think you're interested.
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11/8/2014 9:23:13 AM
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At 11/7/2014 8:48:15 AM, jodybirdy wrote:
You cannot win Atheists with diluted logic. Their highly developed sense of deductive reasoning and logic are why they are atheists to begin with.

I lol'd. Most atheists are pretty bad at reasoning (like most people). "highly developed sense of reasoning and logic", hahaha.

If you invite them to argue logic, they will rise to the challenge and leave you confused and beaten. It cannot be won using scripture. Don't even attempt it.


Not really.

Personal conviction is just that, personal. You cannot tell someone how to have faith. You can't show them. And you can't argue it into them. It's something you either have or you don't. Faith is a feeling in action. You cannot make someone feel any emotion. And if you try, the only emotion you will affect in the long run is anger. You can't make someone happy, but you sure can piss them off trying.

Unless you can arrange a physical visit from God they will not have "faith" that God is real. It's better to accept them for who they are.
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11/8/2014 3:53:19 PM
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At 11/8/2014 9:23:13 AM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 11/7/2014 8:48:15 AM, jodybirdy wrote:
You cannot win Atheists with diluted logic. Their highly developed sense of deductive reasoning and logic are why they are atheists to begin with.

I lol'd. Most atheists are pretty bad at reasoning (like most people). "highly developed sense of reasoning and logic", hahaha.

If you invite them to argue logic, they will rise to the challenge and leave you confused and beaten. It cannot be won using scripture. Don't even attempt it.


Not really.

Personal conviction is just that, personal. You cannot tell someone how to have faith. You can't show them. And you can't argue it into them. It's something you either have or you don't. Faith is a feeling in action. You cannot make someone feel any emotion. And if you try, the only emotion you will affect in the long run is anger. You can't make someone happy, but you sure can piss them off trying.

Unless you can arrange a physical visit from God they will not have "faith" that God is real. It's better to accept them for who they are.

Highly developed simply because that is the standard they place on themselves. They cannot and will not accept anything that is outside the scope of proven scientific logic. A choice and a standard they have made for themselves and I can't fault them for that. I have to respect them their convictions and their spirit of determination. As I do not find fault with being a theist. It is simply a choice and that is all. Trust me when I tell you this, it matters not. What matters is what someone does with their convictions.
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11/8/2014 4:09:08 PM
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At 11/8/2014 7:23:18 AM, tvellalott wrote:
At 11/7/2014 8:48:15 AM, jodybirdy wrote:
You cannot win Atheists with diluted logic. Their highly developed sense of deductive reasoning and logic are why they are atheists to begin with. If you invite them to argue logic, they will rise to the challenge and leave you confused and beaten. It cannot be won using scripture. Don't even attempt it.

Personal conviction is just that, personal. You cannot tell someone how to have faith. You can't show them. And you can't argue it into them. It's something you either have or you don't. Faith is a feeling in action. You cannot make someone feel any emotion. And if you try, the only emotion you will affect in the long run is anger. You can't make someone happy, but you sure can piss them off trying.

Unless you can arrange a physical visit from God they will not have "faith" that God is real. It's better to accept them for who they are.

They are making advancements in replicating the third man phenomena. I'm scared to think that one day in the not to distant future, we will be able to artificially force people to feel God and thus dissuade them from the noble path of logical thinking.

That is when there will cease to be a God.
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11/8/2014 4:35:47 PM
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At 11/8/2014 3:53:19 PM, jodybirdy wrote:
At 11/8/2014 9:23:13 AM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 11/7/2014 8:48:15 AM, jodybirdy wrote:
You cannot win Atheists with diluted logic. Their highly developed sense of deductive reasoning and logic are why they are atheists to begin with.

I lol'd. Most atheists are pretty bad at reasoning (like most people). "highly developed sense of reasoning and logic", hahaha.

If you invite them to argue logic, they will rise to the challenge and leave you confused and beaten. It cannot be won using scripture. Don't even attempt it.


Not really.

Personal conviction is just that, personal. You cannot tell someone how to have faith. You can't show them. And you can't argue it into them. It's something you either have or you don't. Faith is a feeling in action. You cannot make someone feel any emotion. And if you try, the only emotion you will affect in the long run is anger. You can't make someone happy, but you sure can piss them off trying.

Unless you can arrange a physical visit from God they will not have "faith" that God is real. It's better to accept them for who they are.

Highly developed simply because that is the standard they place on themselves.

Is this standard exclusive to atheists?

They cannot and will not accept anything that is outside the scope of proven scientific logic.

Which is misguided to say the least. That's not an intellectual virtue and it's not a byproduct of a highly developed sense of reasoning.

A choice and a standard they have made for themselves and I can't fault them for that. I have to respect them their convictions and their spirit of determination. As I do not find fault with being a theist. It is simply a choice and that is all. Trust me when I tell you this, it matters not. What matters is what someone does with their convictions.

I agree with that.
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11/8/2014 4:53:30 PM
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At 11/8/2014 4:35:47 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 11/8/2014 3:53:19 PM, jodybirdy wrote:
At 11/8/2014 9:23:13 AM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 11/7/2014 8:48:15 AM, jodybirdy wrote:
You cannot win Atheists with diluted logic. Their highly developed sense of deductive reasoning and logic are why they are atheists to begin with.

I lol'd. Most atheists are pretty bad at reasoning (like most people). "highly developed sense of reasoning and logic", hahaha.

If you invite them to argue logic, they will rise to the challenge and leave you confused and beaten. It cannot be won using scripture. Don't even attempt it.


Not really.

Personal conviction is just that, personal. You cannot tell someone how to have faith. You can't show them. And you can't argue it into them. It's something you either have or you don't. Faith is a feeling in action. You cannot make someone feel any emotion. And if you try, the only emotion you will affect in the long run is anger. You can't make someone happy, but you sure can piss them off trying.

Unless you can arrange a physical visit from God they will not have "faith" that God is real. It's better to accept them for who they are.

Highly developed simply because that is the standard they place on themselves.

Is this standard exclusive to atheists?

They cannot and will not accept anything that is outside the scope of proven scientific logic.

Which is misguided to say the least. That's not an intellectual virtue and it's not a byproduct of a highly developed sense of reasoning.

A choice and a standard they have made for themselves and I can't fault them for that. I have to respect them their convictions and their spirit of determination. As I do not find fault with being a theist. It is simply a choice and that is all. Trust me when I tell you this, it matters not. What matters is what someone does with their convictions.

I agree with that.

It is absolutely not exclusive to atheists. And you are correct that believing only in scientific reason is not a virtue. It is in my opinion a limitation. But not an evil one. Simply a self inflicted imprisonment. Not of thought but of feeling. And that is a choice.

Do not get me wrong. Atheists have the capacity for depth and intense feelings. That's why I love them. However feeling and thought are separate. They affect each other. Sometimes in contrary to the other. The limitation is knowledge of what feelings physically are. The proverbial forbidden fruit? It becomes a limitation. I like to think that deep within no on is truly an atheist. We all believe in something. Not in thought but in feeling.
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11/8/2014 8:02:08 PM
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At 11/8/2014 4:53:30 PM, jodybirdy wrote:
At 11/8/2014 4:35:47 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 11/8/2014 3:53:19 PM, jodybirdy wrote:
At 11/8/2014 9:23:13 AM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 11/7/2014 8:48:15 AM, jodybirdy wrote:
You cannot win Atheists with diluted logic. Their highly developed sense of deductive reasoning and logic are why they are atheists to begin with.

I lol'd. Most atheists are pretty bad at reasoning (like most people). "highly developed sense of reasoning and logic", hahaha.

If you invite them to argue logic, they will rise to the challenge and leave you confused and beaten. It cannot be won using scripture. Don't even attempt it.


Not really.

Personal conviction is just that, personal. You cannot tell someone how to have faith. You can't show them. And you can't argue it into them. It's something you either have or you don't. Faith is a feeling in action. You cannot make someone feel any emotion. And if you try, the only emotion you will affect in the long run is anger. You can't make someone happy, but you sure can piss them off trying.

Unless you can arrange a physical visit from God they will not have "faith" that God is real. It's better to accept them for who they are.

Highly developed simply because that is the standard they place on themselves.

Is this standard exclusive to atheists?

They cannot and will not accept anything that is outside the scope of proven scientific logic.

Which is misguided to say the least. That's not an intellectual virtue and it's not a byproduct of a highly developed sense of reasoning.

A choice and a standard they have made for themselves and I can't fault them for that. I have to respect them their convictions and their spirit of determination. As I do not find fault with being a theist. It is simply a choice and that is all. Trust me when I tell you this, it matters not. What matters is what someone does with their convictions.

I agree with that.

It is absolutely not exclusive to atheists. And you are correct that believing only in scientific reason is not a virtue. It is in my opinion a limitation. But not an evil one. Simply a self inflicted imprisonment. Not of thought but of feeling. And that is a choice.

Do not get me wrong. Atheists have the capacity for depth and intense feelings. That's why I love them. However feeling and thought are separate. They affect each other. Sometimes in contrary to the other. The limitation is knowledge of what feelings physically are. The proverbial forbidden fruit? It becomes a limitation. I like to think that deep within no on is truly an atheist. We all believe in something. Not in thought but in feeling.

What makes you think that "atheists", a non existent group, rely exclusively on scientific reasoning?
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11/8/2014 8:09:07 PM
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At 11/8/2014 8:02:08 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 11/8/2014 4:53:30 PM, jodybirdy wrote:
At 11/8/2014 4:35:47 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 11/8/2014 3:53:19 PM, jodybirdy wrote:
At 11/8/2014 9:23:13 AM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 11/7/2014 8:48:15 AM, jodybirdy wrote:
You cannot win Atheists with diluted logic. Their highly developed sense of deductive reasoning and logic are why they are atheists to begin with.

I lol'd. Most atheists are pretty bad at reasoning (like most people). "highly developed sense of reasoning and logic", hahaha.

If you invite them to argue logic, they will rise to the challenge and leave you confused and beaten. It cannot be won using scripture. Don't even attempt it.


Not really.

Personal conviction is just that, personal. You cannot tell someone how to have faith. You can't show them. And you can't argue it into them. It's something you either have or you don't. Faith is a feeling in action. You cannot make someone feel any emotion. And if you try, the only emotion you will affect in the long run is anger. You can't make someone happy, but you sure can piss them off trying.

Unless you can arrange a physical visit from God they will not have "faith" that God is real. It's better to accept them for who they are.

Highly developed simply because that is the standard they place on themselves.

Is this standard exclusive to atheists?

They cannot and will not accept anything that is outside the scope of proven scientific logic.

Which is misguided to say the least. That's not an intellectual virtue and it's not a byproduct of a highly developed sense of reasoning.

A choice and a standard they have made for themselves and I can't fault them for that. I have to respect them their convictions and their spirit of determination. As I do not find fault with being a theist. It is simply a choice and that is all. Trust me when I tell you this, it matters not. What matters is what someone does with their convictions.

I agree with that.

It is absolutely not exclusive to atheists. And you are correct that believing only in scientific reason is not a virtue. It is in my opinion a limitation. But not an evil one. Simply a self inflicted imprisonment. Not of thought but of feeling. And that is a choice.

Do not get me wrong. Atheists have the capacity for depth and intense feelings. That's why I love them. However feeling and thought are separate. They affect each other. Sometimes in contrary to the other. The limitation is knowledge of what feelings physically are. The proverbial forbidden fruit? It becomes a limitation. I like to think that deep within no on is truly an atheist. We all believe in something. Not in thought but in feeling.

What makes you think that "atheists", a non existent group, rely exclusively on scientific reasoning?

What does an atheist rely on? I rely on reason. I really wish you would talk more. Your responses are always simple. Artfully crafted to be the shortest they can be and quite often surprise me with profound reasoning. I'd like to hear more ;)
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11/8/2014 9:45:15 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/8/2014 8:09:07 PM, jodybirdy wrote:
At 11/8/2014 8:02:08 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 11/8/2014 4:53:30 PM, jodybirdy wrote:
At 11/8/2014 4:35:47 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 11/8/2014 3:53:19 PM, jodybirdy wrote:
At 11/8/2014 9:23:13 AM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 11/7/2014 8:48:15 AM, jodybirdy wrote:
You cannot win Atheists with diluted logic. Their highly developed sense of deductive reasoning and logic are why they are atheists to begin with.

I lol'd. Most atheists are pretty bad at reasoning (like most people). "highly developed sense of reasoning and logic", hahaha.

If you invite them to argue logic, they will rise to the challenge and leave you confused and beaten. It cannot be won using scripture. Don't even attempt it.


Not really.

Personal conviction is just that, personal. You cannot tell someone how to have faith. You can't show them. And you can't argue it into them. It's something you either have or you don't. Faith is a feeling in action. You cannot make someone feel any emotion. And if you try, the only emotion you will affect in the long run is anger. You can't make someone happy, but you sure can piss them off trying.

Unless you can arrange a physical visit from God they will not have "faith" that God is real. It's better to accept them for who they are.

Highly developed simply because that is the standard they place on themselves.

Is this standard exclusive to atheists?

They cannot and will not accept anything that is outside the scope of proven scientific logic.

Which is misguided to say the least. That's not an intellectual virtue and it's not a byproduct of a highly developed sense of reasoning.

A choice and a standard they have made for themselves and I can't fault them for that. I have to respect them their convictions and their spirit of determination. As I do not find fault with being a theist. It is simply a choice and that is all. Trust me when I tell you this, it matters not. What matters is what someone does with their convictions.

I agree with that.

It is absolutely not exclusive to atheists. And you are correct that believing only in scientific reason is not a virtue. It is in my opinion a limitation. But not an evil one. Simply a self inflicted imprisonment. Not of thought but of feeling. And that is a choice.

Do not get me wrong. Atheists have the capacity for depth and intense feelings. That's why I love them. However feeling and thought are separate. They affect each other. Sometimes in contrary to the other. The limitation is knowledge of what feelings physically are. The proverbial forbidden fruit? It becomes a limitation. I like to think that deep within no on is truly an atheist. We all believe in something. Not in thought but in feeling.

What makes you think that "atheists", a non existent group, rely exclusively on scientific reasoning?

What does an atheist rely on? I rely on reason. I really wish you would talk more. Your responses are always simple. Artfully crafted to be the shortest they can be and quite often surprise me with profound reasoning. I'd like to hear more ;)

I rely on my capacity to reason, science is sometimes a part of that reasoning but not it's entirety.
An example of reasoning.
Why would an omnipotent omniscient god care a drop of goat sh1t in the Gobi desert what his creations do, think or say. Why would such an entity require not only worship but animal and human sacrifices. These are the inventions of cavemen afraid of the dark and the unknown.
Imagine sitting in a cave with your family/tribe a fire going, beyond the reach of that firelight, outside that cave everything wants to kill you (or so it seems) everybody wants a protector voila god.
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11/8/2014 9:55:50 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/7/2014 2:41:44 AM, Bendido wrote:
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In searching for truth, one is obligated to do the following: to think, to respect evidence, to accept what evidence says or implies, no matter how it contradicts one"s belief. For one"s need to believe or not, there are these corresponding obligations. That means non-thinkers are not excused from simply labelling one thing or the other " an easy way out for refusing to use one"s brain.

Lazy non-thinkers are fast in labelling things they do not understand as fiction. The Bible is fiction to atheists. But what does the Bible say?

The words of God in the Bible are words of truth.





PSALMS 12:6
The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.

The sum of His words is the truth.





REVISED STANDARD VERSION
PSALMS 119:160
The sum of thy word is truth; and every one of thy righteous ordinances endures forever.

The words of God are powerful that they sanctify a believer.





JOHN 17:17
Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

In following God"s laws, a man can be made holy.





THE ROMANS 7:12
Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

Transgressing the commandments or disobeying God"s words produce sin and evil.





Atheism on the buses. Ads reading "There"s probably no God" appeared on buses across the country after the Atheist Bus Campaign raised more than "140,000 to counter Christian advertisements on London buses. Christian campaigners complained, unsuccessfully, to the Advertising Standards Authority, and Ron Heather, a Christian bus driver in Southampton, refused to drive any bus bearing the ads.

More than all of these, God is a God of order.





I CORINTHIANS 14:33, 40
33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
40 Let all things be done decently and in order.

He set order and ordinance in the universe.





JOB 38:33
Knowest thou the ordinances of heaven? Canst thou set the dominion thereof in the earth?

Order can be observed within the unfathomable reaches of the universe!

Can order be attained in an accident like the big bang? Never!

Science and wisdom is inherent in nature. Man"s knowledge in science is a result of the discovery of such wisdom through systematic observation and experimentation. Time and again we are witnesses to the fact that mathematically and scientifically, an accepted truth in man"s limited knowledge in science may vary even to the point where one contention denies the other. No scientist with his understanding of the vastness of science will say that what he knows about everything that exists is complete enough to conclude that he is 100% right in every aspect. Only the atheists do this " in all their arrogance and careless ignorance!

True enough, the Bible tells us exactly so!





ECCLESIASTES 8:17
Then I beheld all the work of God, that a man cannot find out the work that is done under the sun: because though a man labor to seek it out, yet he shall not find it; yea further; though a wise man think to know it, yet shall he not be able to find it.

We ma

The Bible can't speak you fool. Christians read the Bible and believe their own interpretations. When I preach the true gospel to them, most of them totally reject the voice of the Lord, which means they are antichrists. Most Christians are antichrists who believe the Bible is the true Word of God. That book has deceived everyone who has read it. Only us chosen saints are taught the deeper meanings of the prophecies that God had His prophets write but first, we saints have to testify in writing until we have enough knowledge to find the prophecies that God wants us to read for Him.
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11/8/2014 10:03:00 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/8/2014 9:45:15 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 11/8/2014 8:09:07 PM, jodybirdy wrote:
At 11/8/2014 8:02:08 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 11/8/2014 4:53:30 PM, jodybirdy wrote:
At 11/8/2014 4:35:47 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 11/8/2014 3:53:19 PM, jodybirdy wrote:
At 11/8/2014 9:23:13 AM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 11/7/2014 8:48:15 AM, jodybirdy wrote:
You cannot win Atheists with diluted logic. Their highly developed sense of deductive reasoning and logic are why they are atheists to begin with.

I lol'd. Most atheists are pretty bad at reasoning (like most people). "highly developed sense of reasoning and logic", hahaha.

If you invite them to argue logic, they will rise to the challenge and leave you confused and beaten. It cannot be won using scripture. Don't even attempt it.


Not really.

Personal conviction is just that, personal. You cannot tell someone how to have faith. You can't show them. And you can't argue it into them. It's something you either have or you don't. Faith is a feeling in action. You cannot make someone feel any emotion. And if you try, the only emotion you will affect in the long run is anger. You can't make someone happy, but you sure can piss them off trying.

Unless you can arrange a physical visit from God they will not have "faith" that God is real. It's better to accept them for who they are.

Highly developed simply because that is the standard they place on themselves.

Is this standard exclusive to atheists?

They cannot and will not accept anything that is outside the scope of proven scientific logic.

Which is misguided to say the least. That's not an intellectual virtue and it's not a byproduct of a highly developed sense of reasoning.

A choice and a standard they have made for themselves and I can't fault them for that. I have to respect them their convictions and their spirit of determination. As I do not find fault with being a theist. It is simply a choice and that is all. Trust me when I tell you this, it matters not. What matters is what someone does with their convictions.

I agree with that.

It is absolutely not exclusive to atheists. And you are correct that believing only in scientific reason is not a virtue. It is in my opinion a limitation. But not an evil one. Simply a self inflicted imprisonment. Not of thought but of feeling. And that is a choice.

Do not get me wrong. Atheists have the capacity for depth and intense feelings. That's why I love them. However feeling and thought are separate. They affect each other. Sometimes in contrary to the other. The limitation is knowledge of what feelings physically are. The proverbial forbidden fruit? It becomes a limitation. I like to think that deep within no on is truly an atheist. We all believe in something. Not in thought but in feeling.

What makes you think that "atheists", a non existent group, rely exclusively on scientific reasoning?

What does an atheist rely on? I rely on reason. I really wish you would talk more. Your responses are always simple. Artfully crafted to be the shortest they can be and quite often surprise me with profound reasoning. I'd like to hear more ;)

I rely on my capacity to reason, science is sometimes a part of that reasoning but not it's entirety.
An example of reasoning.
Why would an omnipotent omniscient god care a drop of goat sh1t in the Gobi desert what his creations do, think or say. Why would such an entity require not only worship but animal and human sacrifices. These are the inventions of cavemen afraid of the dark and the unknown.
Imagine sitting in a cave with your family/tribe a fire going, beyond the reach of that firelight, outside that cave everything wants to kill you (or so it seems) everybody wants a protector voila god.

And bad things happened because the gods were pissed at the cavemen. They assumed the gods appreciated death because people would die from natural disasters, etc when the gods got angry. So they gave blood sacrifices of their own children to hopefully please the gods and avoid more punishment. As people became more civilized the religion evolved as well. And now we have a messed up antiquated heap of misinterpreted stories. I can dig it. Do you think it could have been any other way?
A rock pile ceases to be a rock pile the moment a single man contemplates it, bearing within him the image of a cathedral."
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11/9/2014 5:09:29 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/8/2014 10:03:00 PM, jodybirdy wrote:
At 11/8/2014 9:45:15 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 11/8/2014 8:09:07 PM, jodybirdy wrote:
At 11/8/2014 8:02:08 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 11/8/2014 4:53:30 PM, jodybirdy wrote:
At 11/8/2014 4:35:47 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 11/8/2014 3:53:19 PM, jodybirdy wrote:
At 11/8/2014 9:23:13 AM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 11/7/2014 8:48:15 AM, jodybirdy wrote:
You cannot win Atheists with diluted logic. Their highly developed sense of deductive reasoning and logic are why they are atheists to begin with.

I lol'd. Most atheists are pretty bad at reasoning (like most people). "highly developed sense of reasoning and logic", hahaha.

If you invite them to argue logic, they will rise to the challenge and leave you confused and beaten. It cannot be won using scripture. Don't even attempt it.


Not really.

Personal conviction is just that, personal. You cannot tell someone how to have faith. You can't show them. And you can't argue it into them. It's something you either have or you don't. Faith is a feeling in action. You cannot make someone feel any emotion. And if you try, the only emotion you will affect in the long run is anger. You can't make someone happy, but you sure can piss them off trying.

Unless you can arrange a physical visit from God they will not have "faith" that God is real. It's better to accept them for who they are.

Highly developed simply because that is the standard they place on themselves.

Is this standard exclusive to atheists?

They cannot and will not accept anything that is outside the scope of proven scientific logic.

Which is misguided to say the least. That's not an intellectual virtue and it's not a byproduct of a highly developed sense of reasoning.

A choice and a standard they have made for themselves and I can't fault them for that. I have to respect them their convictions and their spirit of determination. As I do not find fault with being a theist. It is simply a choice and that is all. Trust me when I tell you this, it matters not. What matters is what someone does with their convictions.

I agree with that.

It is absolutely not exclusive to atheists. And you are correct that believing only in scientific reason is not a virtue. It is in my opinion a limitation. But not an evil one. Simply a self inflicted imprisonment. Not of thought but of feeling. And that is a choice.

Do not get me wrong. Atheists have the capacity for depth and intense feelings. That's why I love them. However feeling and thought are separate. They affect each other. Sometimes in contrary to the other. The limitation is knowledge of what feelings physically are. The proverbial forbidden fruit? It becomes a limitation. I like to think that deep within no on is truly an atheist. We all believe in something. Not in thought but in feeling.

What makes you think that "atheists", a non existent group, rely exclusively on scientific reasoning?

What does an atheist rely on? I rely on reason. I really wish you would talk more. Your responses are always simple. Artfully crafted to be the shortest they can be and quite often surprise me with profound reasoning. I'd like to hear more ;)

I rely on my capacity to reason, science is sometimes a part of that reasoning but not it's entirety.
An example of reasoning.
Why would an omnipotent omniscient god care a drop of goat sh1t in the Gobi desert what his creations do, think or say. Why would such an entity require not only worship but animal and human sacrifices. These are the inventions of cavemen afraid of the dark and the unknown.
Imagine sitting in a cave with your family/tribe a fire going, beyond the reach of that firelight, outside that cave everything wants to kill you (or so it seems) everybody wants a protector voila god.

And bad things happened because the gods were pissed at the cavemen. They assumed the gods appreciated death because people would die from natural disasters, etc when the gods got angry. So they gave blood sacrifices of their own children to hopefully please the gods and avoid more punishment. As people became more civilized the religion evolved as well. And now we have a messed up antiquated heap of misinterpreted stories. I can dig it. Do you think it could have been any other way?
Are you asking if god's weren't created by man?
The answer is no I don't.
God's were created by man and I find it disappointing that mankind still believes in them.
The reason for the creation of gods is a fear of the unknown, a fear of death.
There is now a very large dose of hubris added into that. Humans, for some reason, consider themselves far superior to all other life forms, usually without any support for such a belief.
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11/9/2014 5:23:30 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/7/2014 2:41:44 AM, Bendido wrote:

Lazy non-thinkers are fast in labelling things they do not understand as fiction. The Bible is fiction to atheists. But what does the Bible say?

The words of God in the Bible are words of truth.





PSALMS 12:6
The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.

The sum of His words is the truth.





REVISED STANDARD VERSION
PSALMS 119:160
The sum of thy word is truth; and every one of thy righteous ordinances endures forever.

The words of God are powerful that they sanctify a believer.





JOHN 17:17
Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

In following God"s laws, a man can be made holy.





THE ROMANS 7:12
Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

Transgressing the commandments or disobeying God"s words produce sin and evil.





I JOHN 3:4
Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

The dictionary defines "fiction" as not real, but imaginary, theoretical, an invention. Calling the Bible fiction because it does not mean anything to someone, does not make it fiction " anymore than when a librarian places it in the Fiction counter. Some people label austere matters in the negative in their efforts to dismiss them as nonsense.

Here are some tweets as a response to my blogs on atheism "




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To say the least that the Bible is a book of fiction is tantamount to saying that it is fiction to love a wife or a husband. Here are injunctions of the Bible "





EPHESIANS 5:25, 28
25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.

It will also be fiction to be faithful to a wife or a husband.





MALACHI 2:15
And did not he make one? Yet had he the residue of the spirit. And wherefore one? That he might seek a godly seed. Therefore take heed to your spirit, and let none deal treacherously against the wife of his youth.

At creation, God made in the beginning only one man to have only one wife to preserve a godly seed that will always obey the will of their Creator, teaching them not to deal treacherously with each other. This union He pronounced to be a life-long union.





MATTHEW 19:4-6
4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,
5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh
6 Therefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.





THE ROMANS 7:2
For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.

So, is being faithful to each other fiction?





HEBREWS 13:4
Marriage is honorable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.

Imagine the evil that would result in regarding these pronouncements as fiction!

Love your neighbor as yourself. Fiction?

Honor your father and your mother. Fiction?
Is this hearsay?





MATTHEW 5:42
Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.

What about injunctions for keeping the environment safe when one responds to the call of nature? Fiction?





DEUTERONOMY 23:13
And thou shalt have a paddle upon thy weapon; and it shall be, when thou wilt ease thyself abroad, thou shalt dig therewith, and shalt turn back and cover that which cometh from thee: " fiction?

This commandment is an exact knowledge where modern communities got the idea of constructing septic tanks and proper sewage systems.

What about practicing a good conscience towards God and fellowman? Fiction?





THE ACTS 24:16
And herein do I exercise myself, to have always a conscience void of offense toward God, and toward men.

Disregard all these words of God like the commandments, "thou shall not kill," "thou shall not covet," "thou shall not steal," "thou shall not bear false witness against thy neighbour," and many more, and it will make you an atheist over time. It will give you freedom to do all things contrary to these morals and goodness! This will result in evil everywhere; accidents will happen; violence will erupt like the BIG BAAAANNNNGGGG!

Who originated the idea that God does not exist?





PSALMS 53:1-3
1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.
2 God looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, that did seek God.
3 Every one of them is gone back: they are altogether become filthy; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

Every one of those who refuse to believe in the existence of God got that idea from their want of freedom to do evil! This is the same idea I read on buses in London.




3
The story behind these ads appeared in an article written by William Crawley, titled "Top Ten Religion Stories of the Year,"
http://www.bbc.co.uk..., 31 December 2009 "

Atheism on the buses. Ads reading "There"s probably no God" appeared on buses across the country after the Atheist Bus Campaign raised more than "140,000 to counter Christian advertisements on London buses. Christian campaigners complained, unsuccessfully, to the Advertising Standards Authority, and Ron Heather, a Christian bus driver in Southampton, refused to drive any bus bearing the ads.

More than all of these, God is a God of order.





I CORINTHIANS 14:33, 40
33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
40 Let all things be done decently and in order.

He set order and ordinance in the universe.





JOB 38:33
Knowest thou the ordinances of heaven? Canst thou set the dominion thereof in the earth?

Order can be observed within the unfathomable reaches of the universe!

Can order be attained in an accident like the big bang? Never!

Science and wisdom is inherent in nature. Man"s knowledge in science is a result of the discovery of such wisdom through systematic observation and experimentation. Time and again we are witnesses to the fact that mathematically and scientifically, an accepted truth in man"s limited knowledge in science may vary even to the point where one contention denies the other. No scientist with his understanding of the vastness of science will say that what he knows about everything that exists is complete enough to conclude that he is 100% right in every aspect. Only the atheists do this " in all their arrogance and careless ignorance!

True enough, the Bible tells us exactly so!





ECCLESIASTES 8:17
Then I beheld all the work of God, that a man cannot find out the work that is done under the sun: because though a man labor to seek it out, yet he shall not find it; yea further; though a wise man think to know it, yet shall he not be able to find it.

Wonderful. Just wonderful. Anohter proselytizing, bible-thumping, forum-is-my-pulpit preacher, pretending that the bible constitutes "evidence."

No.

Just NO.
"Never attribute to villainy that which can be adequately explained by stupidity"
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"Men rarely if ever dream up a god superior to themselves. Most gods have the manners and morals of a spoiled child. "

-- Robert A Heinlein
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11/9/2014 6:38:01 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/9/2014 5:09:29 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 11/8/2014 10:03:00 PM, jodybirdy wrote:
At 11/8/2014 9:45:15 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 11/8/2014 8:09:07 PM, jodybirdy wrote:
At 11/8/2014 8:02:08 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 11/8/2014 4:53:30 PM, jodybirdy wrote:
At 11/8/2014 4:35:47 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 11/8/2014 3:53:19 PM, jodybirdy wrote:
At 11/8/2014 9:23:13 AM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 11/7/2014 8:48:15 AM, jodybirdy wrote:
You cannot win Atheists with diluted logic. Their highly developed sense of deductive reasoning and logic are why they are atheists to begin with.

I lol'd. Most atheists are pretty bad at reasoning (like most people). "highly developed sense of reasoning and logic", hahaha.

If you invite them to argue logic, they will rise to the challenge and leave you confused and beaten. It cannot be won using scripture. Don't even attempt it.


Not really.

Personal conviction is just that, personal. You cannot tell someone how to have faith. You can't show them. And you can't argue it into them. It's something you either have or you don't. Faith is a feeling in action. You cannot make someone feel any emotion. And if you try, the only emotion you will affect in the long run is anger. You can't make someone happy, but you sure can piss them off trying.

Unless you can arrange a physical visit from God they will not have "faith" that God is real. It's better to accept them for who they are.

Highly developed simply because that is the standard they place on themselves.

Is this standard exclusive to atheists?

They cannot and will not accept anything that is outside the scope of proven scientific logic.

Which is misguided to say the least. That's not an intellectual virtue and it's not a byproduct of a highly developed sense of reasoning.

A choice and a standard they have made for themselves and I can't fault them for that. I have to respect them their convictions and their spirit of determination. As I do not find fault with being a theist. It is simply a choice and that is all. Trust me when I tell you this, it matters not. What matters is what someone does with their convictions.

I agree with that.

It is absolutely not exclusive to atheists. And you are correct that believing only in scientific reason is not a virtue. It is in my opinion a limitation. But not an evil one. Simply a self inflicted imprisonment. Not of thought but of feeling. And that is a choice.

Do not get me wrong. Atheists have the capacity for depth and intense feelings. That's why I love them. However feeling and thought are separate. They affect each other. Sometimes in contrary to the other. The limitation is knowledge of what feelings physically are. The proverbial forbidden fruit? It becomes a limitation. I like to think that deep within no on is truly an atheist. We all believe in something. Not in thought but in feeling.

What makes you think that "atheists", a non existent group, rely exclusively on scientific reasoning?

What does an atheist rely on? I rely on reason. I really wish you would talk more. Your responses are always simple. Artfully crafted to be the shortest they can be and quite often surprise me with profound reasoning. I'd like to hear more ;)

I rely on my capacity to reason, science is sometimes a part of that reasoning but not it's entirety.
An example of reasoning.
Why would an omnipotent omniscient god care a drop of goat sh1t in the Gobi desert what his creations do, think or say. Why would such an entity require not only worship but animal and human sacrifices. These are the inventions of cavemen afraid of the dark and the unknown.
Imagine sitting in a cave with your family/tribe a fire going, beyond the reach of that firelight, outside that cave everything wants to kill you (or so it seems) everybody wants a protector voila god.

And bad things happened because the gods were pissed at the cavemen. They assumed the gods appreciated death because people would die from natural disasters, etc when the gods got angry. So they gave blood sacrifices of their own children to hopefully please the gods and avoid more punishment. As people became more civilized the religion evolved as well. And now we have a messed up antiquated heap of misinterpreted stories. I can dig it. Do you think it could have been any other way?
Are you asking if god's weren't created by man?
The answer is no I don't.
God's were created by man and I find it disappointing that mankind still believes in them.
The reason for the creation of gods is a fear of the unknown, a fear of death.
There is now a very large dose of hubris added into that. Humans, for some reason, consider themselves far superior to all other life forms, usually without any support for such a belief.

Absolutely not. I most certainly believe that gods were created by man.
A rock pile ceases to be a rock pile the moment a single man contemplates it, bearing within him the image of a cathedral."
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11/9/2014 6:50:54 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/9/2014 6:38:01 AM, jodybirdy wrote:
Absolutely not. I most certainly believe that gods were created by man.
So, on what is your spiritual belief based? Hope?
I don't understand deism, pantheism or panentheism at all, they are identical to the concept of NO god.
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11/9/2014 7:05:34 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/9/2014 6:50:54 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 11/9/2014 6:38:01 AM, jodybirdy wrote:
Absolutely not. I most certainly believe that gods were created by man.
So, on what is your spiritual belief based? Hope?
I don't understand deism, pantheism or panentheism at all, they are identical to the concept of NO god.

I don't understand them either and to be honest I don't really care about them. I think religion is absurd. I place my faith in love. I have no idea whether there is a God or not. And it honestly doesn't matter, I know that for a fact. I don't care if someone believes in God or not. I like them the same. I love atheists best because they don't practice absurd ritualistic ideals.
A rock pile ceases to be a rock pile the moment a single man contemplates it, bearing within him the image of a cathedral."
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11/9/2014 8:26:23 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/9/2014 7:05:34 AM, jodybirdy wrote:
I love atheists best because they don't practice absurd ritualistic ideals.

Hey now, now problem with a bit of absurd ritual:
https://www.youtube.com...
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11/9/2014 8:33:25 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/9/2014 8:26:23 AM, mortsdor wrote:
At 11/9/2014 7:05:34 AM, jodybirdy wrote:
I love atheists best because they don't practice absurd ritualistic ideals.

Hey now, now problem with a bit of absurd ritual:
https://www.youtube.com...

Lol! That made my day along with finding out there's going to be sex in heaven.
A rock pile ceases to be a rock pile the moment a single man contemplates it, bearing within him the image of a cathedral."