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11/11/2014 4:56:38 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
Ladies and Gentlemen, boys and girls, children of all ages!

Its time for EXTREME Simon Says!

By playing EXTREME Simon Says, you agree to all consequences of losing the game, and that the rules of the game are are not subject to review, and decisions are final, ad hoc, and ruled on a wholly case by case basis when an infraction is made. Rules may vary, but there will be no refunds.

There is no fee to enter.

Winning (and Simon WANTS you to win!) means a lifetime of idyllic vacation, in which all your needs and desires are satisfied.
Losing means death by creative dispatchment. Might be guillotine, maybe firing squad, who knows. Simon is as creative and eager to engage in that department as he is desirous of wanting you to win.

Ready to play!

Good!

Simon says kneel.

Simon says chant.

Simon says love him. No, really. Love him and mean it.

Uh-oh....

-----------------------------------

Now, assuming this was real life, clearly, its a sadistic game, and more than likely 'Simon' would be brought up on charges, those whom played (even if voluntarily) wouldn't be considered having 'chosen' death at any of Simon's 'says' should they fail.

Simon would be in even more trouble if he didn't ask people to play, just demanded it, and engaged in creative dispatches when said person (rightly so!) attempted to flee.

So, how exactly does God justify this to... well, any one that might believe in Him, or Himself? Isn't it rather perverse to demand of some one to part-take of your game with no assurances of the rules, no direct 'says', and the consequences to be so severe?
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11/11/2014 5:01:09 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/11/2014 4:56:38 AM, FaustianJustice wrote:
Ladies and Gentlemen, boys and girls, children of all ages!

Its time for EXTREME Simon Says!

By playing EXTREME Simon Says, you agree to all consequences of losing the game, and that the rules of the game are are not subject to review, and decisions are final, ad hoc, and ruled on a wholly case by case basis when an infraction is made. Rules may vary, but there will be no refunds.

There is no fee to enter.

Winning (and Simon WANTS you to win!) means a lifetime of idyllic vacation, in which all your needs and desires are satisfied.
Losing means death by creative dispatchment. Might be guillotine, maybe firing squad, who knows. Simon is as creative and eager to engage in that department as he is desirous of wanting you to win.

Ready to play!

Good!

Simon says kneel.

Simon says chant.

Simon says love him. No, really. Love him and mean it.

Uh-oh....

-----------------------------------

Now, assuming this was real life, clearly, its a sadistic game, and more than likely 'Simon' would be brought up on charges, those whom played (even if voluntarily) wouldn't be considered having 'chosen' death at any of Simon's 'says' should they fail.

Simon would be in even more trouble if he didn't ask people to play, just demanded it, and engaged in creative dispatches when said person (rightly so!) attempted to flee.

So, how exactly does God justify this to... well, any one that might believe in Him, or Himself? Isn't it rather perverse to demand of some one to part-take of your game with no assurances of the rules, no direct 'says', and the consequences to be so severe?

Simon says ... don't use your brain!

You know in the military, when we encounter things like this, we usually remind people that there are better things they can be doing with their lips. Imagination takes over at that point ...
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11/11/2014 5:06:06 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/11/2014 5:01:09 AM, neutral wrote:
At 11/11/2014 4:56:38 AM, FaustianJustice wrote:
Ladies and Gentlemen, boys and girls, children of all ages!

Its time for EXTREME Simon Says!

By playing EXTREME Simon Says, you agree to all consequences of losing the game, and that the rules of the game are are not subject to review, and decisions are final, ad hoc, and ruled on a wholly case by case basis when an infraction is made. Rules may vary, but there will be no refunds.

There is no fee to enter.

Winning (and Simon WANTS you to win!) means a lifetime of idyllic vacation, in which all your needs and desires are satisfied.
Losing means death by creative dispatchment. Might be guillotine, maybe firing squad, who knows. Simon is as creative and eager to engage in that department as he is desirous of wanting you to win.

Ready to play!

Good!

Simon says kneel.

Simon says chant.

Simon says love him. No, really. Love him and mean it.

Uh-oh....

-----------------------------------

Now, assuming this was real life, clearly, its a sadistic game, and more than likely 'Simon' would be brought up on charges, those whom played (even if voluntarily) wouldn't be considered having 'chosen' death at any of Simon's 'says' should they fail.

Simon would be in even more trouble if he didn't ask people to play, just demanded it, and engaged in creative dispatches when said person (rightly so!) attempted to flee.

So, how exactly does God justify this to... well, any one that might believe in Him, or Himself? Isn't it rather perverse to demand of some one to part-take of your game with no assurances of the rules, no direct 'says', and the consequences to be so severe?

Simon says ... don't use your brain!

You know in the military, when we encounter things like this, we usually remind people that there are better things they can be doing with their lips. Imagination takes over at that point ...

and when it comes to religion, there are better things people could be doing with their time. And money. And resources. And in some cases, other peoples time. And money. And resources.

Anyhoo, I missed the refute, counter-argument, or whatever it is you wanted to bring up. What was it? Or were you to busy not using your brain?
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11/11/2014 5:30:38 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/11/2014 4:56:38 AM, FaustianJustice wrote:
Ladies and Gentlemen, boys and girls, children of all ages!

Its time for EXTREME Simon Says!

By playing EXTREME Simon Says, you agree to all consequences of losing the game, and that the rules of the game are are not subject to review, and decisions are final, ad hoc, and ruled on a wholly case by case basis when an infraction is made. Rules may vary, but there will be no refunds.

There is no fee to enter.

Winning (and Simon WANTS you to win!) means a lifetime of idyllic vacation, in which all your needs and desires are satisfied.
Losing means death by creative dispatchment. Might be guillotine, maybe firing squad, who knows. Simon is as creative and eager to engage in that department as he is desirous of wanting you to win.

Ready to play!

Good!

Simon says kneel.

Simon says chant.

Simon says love him. No, really. Love him and mean it.

Uh-oh....

-----------------------------------

Now, assuming this was real life, clearly, its a sadistic game, and more than likely 'Simon' would be brought up on charges, those whom played (even if voluntarily) wouldn't be considered having 'chosen' death at any of Simon's 'says' should they fail.

Simon would be in even more trouble if he didn't ask people to play, just demanded it, and engaged in creative dispatches when said person (rightly so!) attempted to flee.

So, how exactly does God justify this to... well, any one that might believe in Him, or Himself? Isn't it rather perverse to demand of some one to part-take of your game with no assurances of the rules, no direct 'says', and the consequences to be so severe?

I'll be sitting out this game. I'd rather play beer pong.
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11/11/2014 5:58:12 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/11/2014 5:06:06 AM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 11/11/2014 5:01:09 AM, neutral wrote:
At 11/11/2014 4:56:38 AM, FaustianJustice wrote:
Ladies and Gentlemen, boys and girls, children of all ages!

Its time for EXTREME Simon Says!

By playing EXTREME Simon Says, you agree to all consequences of losing the game, and that the rules of the game are are not subject to review, and decisions are final, ad hoc, and ruled on a wholly case by case basis when an infraction is made. Rules may vary, but there will be no refunds.

There is no fee to enter.

Winning (and Simon WANTS you to win!) means a lifetime of idyllic vacation, in which all your needs and desires are satisfied.
Losing means death by creative dispatchment. Might be guillotine, maybe firing squad, who knows. Simon is as creative and eager to engage in that department as he is desirous of wanting you to win.

Ready to play!

Good!

Simon says kneel.

Simon says chant.

Simon says love him. No, really. Love him and mean it.

Uh-oh....

-----------------------------------

Now, assuming this was real life, clearly, its a sadistic game, and more than likely 'Simon' would be brought up on charges, those whom played (even if voluntarily) wouldn't be considered having 'chosen' death at any of Simon's 'says' should they fail.

Simon would be in even more trouble if he didn't ask people to play, just demanded it, and engaged in creative dispatches when said person (rightly so!) attempted to flee.

So, how exactly does God justify this to... well, any one that might believe in Him, or Himself? Isn't it rather perverse to demand of some one to part-take of your game with no assurances of the rules, no direct 'says', and the consequences to be so severe?

Simon says ... don't use your brain!

You know in the military, when we encounter things like this, we usually remind people that there are better things they can be doing with their lips. Imagination takes over at that point ...

and when it comes to religion, there are better things people could be doing with their time. And money. And resources. And in some cases, other peoples time. And money. And resources.

Anyhoo, I missed the refute, counter-argument, or whatever it is you wanted to bring up. What was it? Or were you to busy not using your brain?

Showing respect, which is your original OP, humbleness and charity (money is required for most activities, I was unaware that atheists found basic economics sinful?) are hardly the stuff of brainwashing.

Its a choice. No one forces anyone into a church, no one coheres donations. And when adult people see that their money goes to soup kitchens, medical clinics, counseling services, upkeep of the church and community centers, service projects, etc. ... why most people have no problem giving to such charitable aims.

To have an atheist spin that as somehow brainless or wrong is ... again, simon says I command you not use your brain!

Simply because you spin something both necessary and innocuous into something vile does not make it so ... its called hyperbole.
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11/11/2014 6:38:06 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/11/2014 5:58:12 AM, neutral wrote:
At 11/11/2014 5:06:06 AM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 11/11/2014 5:01:09 AM, neutral wrote:
At 11/11/2014 4:56:38 AM, FaustianJustice wrote:
Ladies and Gentlemen, boys and girls, children of all ages!

Its time for EXTREME Simon Says!

By playing EXTREME Simon Says, you agree to all consequences of losing the game, and that the rules of the game are are not subject to review, and decisions are final, ad hoc, and ruled on a wholly case by case basis when an infraction is made. Rules may vary, but there will be no refunds.

There is no fee to enter.

Winning (and Simon WANTS you to win!) means a lifetime of idyllic vacation, in which all your needs and desires are satisfied.
Losing means death by creative dispatchment. Might be guillotine, maybe firing squad, who knows. Simon is as creative and eager to engage in that department as he is desirous of wanting you to win.

Ready to play!

Good!

Simon says kneel.

Simon says chant.

Simon says love him. No, really. Love him and mean it.

Uh-oh....

-----------------------------------

Now, assuming this was real life, clearly, its a sadistic game, and more than likely 'Simon' would be brought up on charges, those whom played (even if voluntarily) wouldn't be considered having 'chosen' death at any of Simon's 'says' should they fail.

Simon would be in even more trouble if he didn't ask people to play, just demanded it, and engaged in creative dispatches when said person (rightly so!) attempted to flee.

So, how exactly does God justify this to... well, any one that might believe in Him, or Himself? Isn't it rather perverse to demand of some one to part-take of your game with no assurances of the rules, no direct 'says', and the consequences to be so severe?

Simon says ... don't use your brain!

You know in the military, when we encounter things like this, we usually remind people that there are better things they can be doing with their lips. Imagination takes over at that point ...

and when it comes to religion, there are better things people could be doing with their time. And money. And resources. And in some cases, other peoples time. And money. And resources.

Anyhoo, I missed the refute, counter-argument, or whatever it is you wanted to bring up. What was it? Or were you to busy not using your brain?

Showing respect, which is your original OP, humbleness and charity (money is required for most activities, I was unaware that atheists found basic economics sinful?) are hardly the stuff of brainwashing.

Its a choice. No one forces anyone into a church, no one coheres donations. And when adult people see that their money goes to soup kitchens, medical clinics, counseling services, upkeep of the church and community centers, service projects, etc. ... why most people have no problem giving to such charitable aims.

To have an atheist spin that as somehow brainless or wrong is ... again, simon says I command you not use your brain!

Simply because you spin something both necessary and innocuous into something vile does not make it so ... its called hyperbole.

And none of that is in the original post, is it? You know, the OP which you opted to disregard in favor of a pot shot? If you are confused in all this, I understand, its your MO, have the argument YOU want to have rather than what is actually put on the table, but I politely decline. The Original post is the original post, and beyond your jab, I see no answer to the posed question, or conclusions/assertions made from it.
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11/11/2014 8:18:13 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/11/2014 4:56:38 AM, FaustianJustice wrote:
Ladies and Gentlemen, boys and girls, children of all ages!

Its time for EXTREME Simon Says!

By playing EXTREME Simon Says, you agree to all consequences of losing the game, and that the rules of the game are are not subject to review, and decisions are final, ad hoc, and ruled on a wholly case by case basis when an infraction is made. Rules may vary, but there will be no refunds.

There is no fee to enter.

Winning (and Simon WANTS you to win!) means a lifetime of idyllic vacation, in which all your needs and desires are satisfied.
Losing means death by creative dispatchment. Might be guillotine, maybe firing squad, who knows. Simon is as creative and eager to engage in that department as he is desirous of wanting you to win.

Ready to play!

Good!

Simon says kneel.

Simon says chant.

Simon says love him. No, really. Love him and mean it.

Uh-oh....

-----------------------------------

Now, assuming this was real life, clearly, its a sadistic game, and more than likely 'Simon' would be brought up on charges, those whom played (even if voluntarily) wouldn't be considered having 'chosen' death at any of Simon's 'says' should they fail.

Simon would be in even more trouble if he didn't ask people to play, just demanded it, and engaged in creative dispatches when said person (rightly so!) attempted to flee.

So, how exactly does God justify this to... well, any one that might believe in Him, or Himself? Isn't it rather perverse to demand of some one to part-take of your game with no assurances of the rules, no direct 'says', and the consequences to be so severe?

Your scenario is sadistic because it represents how you view God, or at least the God in scripture. That's why it becomes a strawman, you are expressing your own twisted ideas about what Christianity is, obviously that's not the way we view what we believe. I could do the same thing with examples of the belief that God did not create but there is no doubt I would get called on presenting a strawman, and told how I don't understand the position.

The reality is this, there are some sobering things that we should understand about our existence, that information is presented in scripture for one reason...that we have an idea about the truth and what it's purpose is. Non believers always focus and amplify the less appealing nature of the reality in the spirit, but the truth of the matter is those truths are a small percentage of Christian beliefs. There are many wonderful aspects not just mean ones but even the mean stuff is there for our understanding. I don't come to God because I'm scared of Him lol or because I'm looking to squeak into Heaven, it's God I'm interested in and the rest is just information.
The information is for our benefit, it's not to doom anyone or lie to anyone and it's purpose is not to condemn you but relay spiritual reality and provide an avenue for you to learn and believe. It's for you not against you, the reality of the spirit was there long before you were and it was not designed as a way to torture Humans, quite the opposite, we came long after the spirit and what we do in this life matters to the one after. The scripture is there to proclaim the truth so it can be known not so it can destroy and it's purpose is for you to know how to connect with God and abide in Him, everything else is just for our knowledge and well being.
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11/11/2014 8:28:58 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/11/2014 8:18:13 AM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 11/11/2014 4:56:38 AM, FaustianJustice wrote:
Ladies and Gentlemen, boys and girls, children of all ages!

Its time for EXTREME Simon Says!

By playing EXTREME Simon Says, you agree to all consequences of losing the game, and that the rules of the game are are not subject to review, and decisions are final, ad hoc, and ruled on a wholly case by case basis when an infraction is made. Rules may vary, but there will be no refunds.

There is no fee to enter.

Winning (and Simon WANTS you to win!) means a lifetime of idyllic vacation, in which all your needs and desires are satisfied.
Losing means death by creative dispatchment. Might be guillotine, maybe firing squad, who knows. Simon is as creative and eager to engage in that department as he is desirous of wanting you to win.

Ready to play!

Good!

Simon says kneel.

Simon says chant.

Simon says love him. No, really. Love him and mean it.

Uh-oh....

-----------------------------------

Now, assuming this was real life, clearly, its a sadistic game, and more than likely 'Simon' would be brought up on charges, those whom played (even if voluntarily) wouldn't be considered having 'chosen' death at any of Simon's 'says' should they fail.

Simon would be in even more trouble if he didn't ask people to play, just demanded it, and engaged in creative dispatches when said person (rightly so!) attempted to flee.

So, how exactly does God justify this to... well, any one that might believe in Him, or Himself? Isn't it rather perverse to demand of some one to part-take of your game with no assurances of the rules, no direct 'says', and the consequences to be so severe?

Your scenario is sadistic because it represents how you view God, or at least the God in scripture. That's why it becomes a strawman, you are expressing your own twisted ideas about what Christianity is, obviously that's not the way we view what we believe. I could do the same thing with examples of the belief that God did not create but there is no doubt I would get called on presenting a strawman, and told how I don't understand the position.

So then there is no infinite punishment for not loving Him/His son/following what He says? And I -was- asked some where along all this to actually participate in God's social experiment of choosing Him over ... well, just not choosing Him?

The reality is this,

Heh, whoa there tiger...

there are some sobering things that we should understand about our existence, that information is presented in scripture for one reason...that we have an idea about the truth and what it's purpose is. Non believers always focus and amplify the less appealing nature of the reality in the spirit, but the truth of the matter is those truths are a small percentage of Christian beliefs. There are many wonderful aspects not just mean ones but even the mean stuff is there for our understanding. I don't come to God because I'm scared of Him lol or because I'm looking to squeak into Heaven, it's God I'm interested in and the rest is just information.

I am not interested in an entity with omnipotence that prefers to extort worship from lesser beings, even if they are His creation. There are many more worthy ways of accomplishing this in which the mystery He seems to surround Himself in could be dispelled. If His role is that of a father, then 2000 year old tomes are perhaps not the way to go. An omniscient entity would know this. A benevolent one would practice it.

The information is for our benefit, it's not to doom anyone or lie to anyone and it's purpose is not to condemn you but relay spiritual reality and provide an avenue for you to learn and believe. It's for you not against you, the reality of the spirit was there long before you were and it was not designed as a way to torture Humans, quite the opposite, we came long after the spirit and what we do in this life matters to the one after. The scripture is there to proclaim the truth so it can be known not so it can destroy and it's purpose is for you to know how to connect with God and abide in Him, everything else is just for our knowledge and well being.

"Non believers always focus and amplify the less appealing nature of the reality in the spirit, but the truth of the matter is those truths are a small percentage of Christian beliefs." --- this small percentage being an eternity of torment for a finite crime, or in some cases, widely viewed as no crime at all. Surely, you can understand why that sticks to some people, right? If you can appreciate why it sticks to some people, then you can appreciate indeed how sadistic that particular belief system can be.
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11/11/2014 3:12:32 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/11/2014 6:38:06 AM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 11/11/2014 5:58:12 AM, neutral wrote:
At 11/11/2014 5:06:06 AM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 11/11/2014 5:01:09 AM, neutral wrote:
At 11/11/2014 4:56:38 AM, FaustianJustice wrote:
Ladies and Gentlemen, boys and girls, children of all ages!

Its time for EXTREME Simon Says!

By playing EXTREME Simon Says, you agree to all consequences of losing the game, and that the rules of the game are are not subject to review, and decisions are final, ad hoc, and ruled on a wholly case by case basis when an infraction is made. Rules may vary, but there will be no refunds.

There is no fee to enter.

Winning (and Simon WANTS you to win!) means a lifetime of idyllic vacation, in which all your needs and desires are satisfied.
Losing means death by creative dispatchment. Might be guillotine, maybe firing squad, who knows. Simon is as creative and eager to engage in that department as he is desirous of wanting you to win.

Ready to play!

Good!

Simon says kneel.

Simon says chant.

Simon says love him. No, really. Love him and mean it.

Uh-oh....

-----------------------------------

Now, assuming this was real life, clearly, its a sadistic game, and more than likely 'Simon' would be brought up on charges, those whom played (even if voluntarily) wouldn't be considered having 'chosen' death at any of Simon's 'says' should they fail.

Simon would be in even more trouble if he didn't ask people to play, just demanded it, and engaged in creative dispatches when said person (rightly so!) attempted to flee.

So, how exactly does God justify this to... well, any one that might believe in Him, or Himself? Isn't it rather perverse to demand of some one to part-take of your game with no assurances of the rules, no direct 'says', and the consequences to be so severe?

Simon says ... don't use your brain!

You know in the military, when we encounter things like this, we usually remind people that there are better things they can be doing with their lips. Imagination takes over at that point ...

and when it comes to religion, there are better things people could be doing with their time. And money. And resources. And in some cases, other peoples time. And money. And resources.

Anyhoo, I missed the refute, counter-argument, or whatever it is you wanted to bring up. What was it? Or were you to busy not using your brain?

Showing respect, which is your original OP, humbleness and charity (money is required for most activities, I was unaware that atheists found basic economics sinful?) are hardly the stuff of brainwashing.

Its a choice. No one forces anyone into a church, no one coheres donations. And when adult people see that their money goes to soup kitchens, medical clinics, counseling services, upkeep of the church and community centers, service projects, etc. ... why most people have no problem giving to such charitable aims.

To have an atheist spin that as somehow brainless or wrong is ... again, simon says I command you not use your brain!

Simply because you spin something both necessary and innocuous into something vile does not make it so ... its called hyperbole.

And none of that is in the original post, is it? You know, the OP which you opted to disregard in favor of a pot shot? If you are confused in all this, I understand, its your MO, have the argument YOU want to have rather than what is actually put on the table, but I politely decline. The Original post is the original post, and beyond your jab, I see no answer to the posed question, or conclusions/assertions made from it.

Agh, yeah, it is. Your OP is rather deliberately insulting, and when someone points out the reality of ... kneeling (humbleness) collecting money (charity) ... suddenly YOU are the victim of a pot shot?

Atheists (rolling eyes)
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11/11/2014 7:15:08 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/11/2014 3:12:32 PM, neutral wrote:
At 11/11/2014 6:38:06 AM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 11/11/2014 5:58:12 AM, neutral wrote:
At 11/11/2014 5:06:06 AM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 11/11/2014 5:01:09 AM, neutral wrote:
At 11/11/2014 4:56:38 AM, FaustianJustice wrote:
Ladies and Gentlemen, boys and girls, children of all ages!

Its time for EXTREME Simon Says!

By playing EXTREME Simon Says, you agree to all consequences of losing the game, and that the rules of the game are are not subject to review, and decisions are final, ad hoc, and ruled on a wholly case by case basis when an infraction is made. Rules may vary, but there will be no refunds.

There is no fee to enter.

Winning (and Simon WANTS you to win!) means a lifetime of idyllic vacation, in which all your needs and desires are satisfied.
Losing means death by creative dispatchment. Might be guillotine, maybe firing squad, who knows. Simon is as creative and eager to engage in that department as he is desirous of wanting you to win.

Ready to play!

Good!

Simon says kneel.

Simon says chant.

Simon says love him. No, really. Love him and mean it.

Uh-oh....

-----------------------------------

Now, assuming this was real life, clearly, its a sadistic game, and more than likely 'Simon' would be brought up on charges, those whom played (even if voluntarily) wouldn't be considered having 'chosen' death at any of Simon's 'says' should they fail.

Simon would be in even more trouble if he didn't ask people to play, just demanded it, and engaged in creative dispatches when said person (rightly so!) attempted to flee.

So, how exactly does God justify this to... well, any one that might believe in Him, or Himself? Isn't it rather perverse to demand of some one to part-take of your game with no assurances of the rules, no direct 'says', and the consequences to be so severe?

Simon says ... don't use your brain!

You know in the military, when we encounter things like this, we usually remind people that there are better things they can be doing with their lips. Imagination takes over at that point ...

and when it comes to religion, there are better things people could be doing with their time. And money. And resources. And in some cases, other peoples time. And money. And resources.

Anyhoo, I missed the refute, counter-argument, or whatever it is you wanted to bring up. What was it? Or were you to busy not using your brain?

Showing respect, which is your original OP, humbleness and charity (money is required for most activities, I was unaware that atheists found basic economics sinful?) are hardly the stuff of brainwashing.

Its a choice. No one forces anyone into a church, no one coheres donations. And when adult people see that their money goes to soup kitchens, medical clinics, counseling services, upkeep of the church and community centers, service projects, etc. ... why most people have no problem giving to such charitable aims.

To have an atheist spin that as somehow brainless or wrong is ... again, simon says I command you not use your brain!

Simply because you spin something both necessary and innocuous into something vile does not make it so ... its called hyperbole.

And none of that is in the original post, is it? You know, the OP which you opted to disregard in favor of a pot shot? If you are confused in all this, I understand, its your MO, have the argument YOU want to have rather than what is actually put on the table, but I politely decline. The Original post is the original post, and beyond your jab, I see no answer to the posed question, or conclusions/assertions made from it.

Agh, yeah, it is. Your OP is rather deliberately insulting, and when someone points out the reality of ... kneeling (humbleness) collecting money (charity) ... suddenly YOU are the victim of a pot shot?

Atheists (rolling eyes)

There is no mention of collecting money in the OP, that is in my reply to your Pot shot. The OP is the OP, though I have to give you credit, at least half of your most recent reply was on track and shall be addressed:

Its not being humble if its an order with penalty of death as the consequence, its extortion, or at the very least token action to win the game. Its compulsory.
Here we have an advocate for Islamic arranged marriages demonstrating that children can consent to sex.
http://www.debate.org...