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11/16/2014 10:59:13 AM
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In Isaiah 42 its talks about a Prophet from arabia who fights Idolaters, from the villages of Kader (the Arabs) etc... christain say it refers to Jesus but it cant for obvious reasons. anyway here short video ....

https://www.youtube.com...

Christains/Jews how you see this? do you have other interpretation of its for some figures?

in more detail
http://thedebateinitiative.com...

another one is John 1:25 - "Why then do you baptize if you are not the Messiah, nor Elijah, nor the Prophet?"

who is the 3 person? it cant Jesus because they said already Messiah.... anyway waiting for your opinions..
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11/16/2014 11:53:10 AM
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At 11/16/2014 11:15:55 AM, bulproof wrote:
Don't you guys get sick of this?

hhh just checking if christains know their bible properly.... bullproof u changed your picture1!! :D
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11/16/2014 12:07:45 PM
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At 11/16/2014 10:59:13 AM, POPOO5560 wrote:
In Isaiah 42 its talks about a Prophet from arabia who fights Idolaters, from the villages of Kader (the Arabs) etc... christain say it refers to Jesus but it cant for obvious reasons. anyway here short video ....

https://www.youtube.com...

Christains/Jews how you see this? do you have other interpretation of its for some figures?

in more detail
http://thedebateinitiative.com...

another one is John 1:25 - "Why then do you baptize if you are not the Messiah, nor Elijah, nor the Prophet?"

who is the 3 person? it cant Jesus because they said already Messiah.... anyway waiting for your opinions..

Muhammed is not referred to once in the bible. Neither the OT or NT.

For starters, he doesn't even fit Jewish/Christian requirements for a "prophet". When John 1:25 refers to a "prophet"--it could literally mean anyone. Most likely the original Hebrew prophets. Likewise, Isaiah 42 definitely is speaking of Muhammed.
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11/16/2014 12:21:34 PM
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At 11/16/2014 12:07:45 PM, Emilrose wrote:
At 11/16/2014 10:59:13 AM, POPOO5560 wrote:
In Isaiah 42 its talks about a Prophet from arabia who fights Idolaters, from the villages of Kader (the Arabs) etc... christain say it refers to Jesus but it cant for obvious reasons. anyway here short video ....

https://www.youtube.com...

Christains/Jews how you see this? do you have other interpretation of its for some figures?

in more detail
http://thedebateinitiative.com...

another one is John 1:25 - "Why then do you baptize if you are not the Messiah, nor Elijah, nor the Prophet?"

who is the 3 person? it cant Jesus because they said already Messiah.... anyway waiting for your opinions..


Muhammed is not referred to once in the bible. Neither the OT or NT.

For starters, he doesn't even fit Jewish/Christian requirements for a "prophet". When John 1:25 refers to a "prophet"--it could literally mean anyone. Most likely the original Hebrew prophets. Likewise, Isaiah 42 definitely is speaking of Muhammed.

the whole chapter 42 fits like a globe to Prophet Muhammed each verse, but its long so i shared to you the video so what you say about that? for example when it says the prophet will be fighting Idolaters, that prophet will be a light for the Gentiles, he will come from the villages of Kader, why it mentions Kader? he will be a warrior and the list goes on...

"For starters, he doesn't even fit Jewish/Christian requirements for a "prophet"." - ok... whats the requirements for a "prophet"? secondly what you say about isaiah 42 about the prophet? any wrong with the video or the link?
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11/16/2014 12:24:30 PM
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At 11/16/2014 12:21:34 PM, POPOO5560 wrote:
At 11/16/2014 12:07:45 PM, Emilrose wrote:
At 11/16/2014 10:59:13 AM, POPOO5560 wrote:
In Isaiah 42 its talks about a Prophet from arabia who fights Idolaters, from the villages of Kader (the Arabs) etc... christain say it refers to Jesus but it cant for obvious reasons. anyway here short video ....

https://www.youtube.com...

Christains/Jews how you see this? do you have other interpretation of its for some figures?

in more detail
http://thedebateinitiative.com...

another one is John 1:25 - "Why then do you baptize if you are not the Messiah, nor Elijah, nor the Prophet?"

who is the 3 person? it cant Jesus because they said already Messiah.... anyway waiting for your opinions..


Muhammed is not referred to once in the bible. Neither the OT or NT.

For starters, he doesn't even fit Jewish/Christian requirements for a "prophet". When John 1:25 refers to a "prophet"--it could literally mean anyone. Most likely the original Hebrew prophets. Likewise, Isaiah 42 definitely is speaking of Muhammed.

the whole chapter 42 fits like a globe to Prophet Muhammed each verse, but its long so i shared to you the video so what you say about that? for example when it says the prophet will be fighting Idolaters, that prophet will be a light for the Gentiles, he will come from the villages of Kader, why it mentions Kader? he will be a warrior and the list goes on...

"For starters, he doesn't even fit Jewish/Christian requirements for a "prophet"." - ok... whats the requirements for a "prophet"? secondly what you say about isaiah 42 about the prophet? any wrong with the video or the link?

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11/16/2014 12:25:52 PM
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Holy cow; Bulproof actually updated his profile!
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11/16/2014 12:44:12 PM
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At 11/16/2014 12:21:34 PM, POPOO5560 wrote:
At 11/16/2014 12:07:45 PM, Emilrose wrote:
At 11/16/2014 10:59:13 AM, POPOO5560 wrote:
In Isaiah 42 its talks about a Prophet from arabia who fights Idolaters, from the villages of Kader (the Arabs) etc... christain say it refers to Jesus but it cant for obvious reasons. anyway here short video ....

https://www.youtube.com...

Christains/Jews how you see this? do you have other interpretation of its for some figures?

in more detail
http://thedebateinitiative.com...

another one is John 1:25 - "Why then do you baptize if you are not the Messiah, nor Elijah, nor the Prophet?"

who is the 3 person? it cant Jesus because they said already Messiah.... anyway waiting for your opinions..


Muhammed is not referred to once in the bible. Neither the OT or NT.

For starters, he doesn't even fit Jewish/Christian requirements for a "prophet". When John 1:25 refers to a "prophet"--it could literally mean anyone. Most likely the original Hebrew prophets. Likewise, Isaiah 42 definitely is speaking of Muhammed.

the whole chapter 42 fits like a globe to Prophet Muhammed each verse, but its long so i shared to you the video so what you say about that? for example when it says the prophet will be fighting Idolaters, that prophet will be a light for the Gentiles, he will come from the villages of Kader, why it mentions Kader? he will be a warrior and the list goes on...

How exactly? The "whole" chapter doesn't even remotely fit Muhammed. In fact, it is the servant of Israel that is mainly being referenced. In order to establish the meaning of 42 one also had to assess the context of Isaiah 41--which again is referring specifically to Israel!

Besides, Muhammed not only fought "idolaters", he is also brutally murdered 3 Jewish tribes AND attempted to force others to conversion.

Why would G-d send a prophet that would kill His people? Why would he send a prophet that tried to force His people to convert from Judaism?

Again, in no way is Muhammed ever prophesied in the Tanakh.

"For starters, he doesn't even fit Jewish/Christian requirements for a "prophet"." - ok... whats the requirements for a "prophet"? secondly what you say about isaiah 42 about the prophet? any wrong with the video or the link?

For him to actually make "prophecies", for one! Muhammed cannot be a prophet (particularly by Jewish standards) as he did not make future predictions or have a direct connection to G-d. Plus ALL prophets are Jewish.

By the time of Muhammed, the words of G-d had already been revealed. Moreover "Allah" is not even the same G-d of the Tanakh--hence why Islam and Judaism have different teachings and observe different Holy texts.

Here is proper source for Isaiah 42 with Hebrew translation: http://www.mechon-mamre.org...
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11/16/2014 2:07:43 PM
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At 11/16/2014 12:44:12 PM, Emilrose wrote:
At 11/16/2014 12:21:34 PM, POPOO5560 wrote:
At 11/16/2014 12:07:45 PM, Emilrose wrote:
At 11/16/2014 10:59:13 AM, POPOO5560 wrote:
In Isaiah 42 its talks about a Prophet from arabia who fights Idolaters, from the villages of Kader (the Arabs) etc... christain say it refers to Jesus but it cant for obvious reasons. anyway here short video ....

https://www.youtube.com...

Christains/Jews how you see this? do you have other interpretation of its for some figures?

in more detail
http://thedebateinitiative.com...

another one is John 1:25 - "Why then do you baptize if you are not the Messiah, nor Elijah, nor the Prophet?"

who is the 3 person? it cant Jesus because they said already Messiah.... anyway waiting for your opinions..


Muhammed is not referred to once in the bible. Neither the OT or NT.

For starters, he doesn't even fit Jewish/Christian requirements for a "prophet". When John 1:25 refers to a "prophet"--it could literally mean anyone. Most likely the original Hebrew prophets. Likewise, Isaiah 42 definitely is speaking of Muhammed.

the whole chapter 42 fits like a globe to Prophet Muhammed each verse, but its long so i shared to you the video so what you say about that? for example when it says the prophet will be fighting Idolaters, that prophet will be a light for the Gentiles, he will come from the villages of Kader, why it mentions Kader? he will be a warrior and the list goes on...

How exactly? The "whole" chapter doesn't even remotely fit Muhammed. In fact, it is the servant of Israel that is mainly being referenced. In order to establish the meaning of 42 one also had to assess the context of Isaiah 41--which again is referring specifically to Israel!

first you didnt refute any claim to the prophet as "light to the Genetils", he will be from the villages of Kader, do you know who is Kader? Kedar is the son of Prophet Ishmael according to Genesis the father of the Arabs. in the same verse it mentions villages of Kader The villages that Kedar inhabits, sela (rock) mountain... perfect place of Madina (the city of the Prophet).you shifted all to chapter 41 and ignoring 42 not speaking 1 word on the verses. if im wrong just read this about chapter 42 - http://thedebateinitiative.com...


Besides, Muhammed not only fought "idolaters", he is also brutally murdered 3 Jewish tribes AND attempted to force others to conversion.

Why you have to distort and lie about the Prophet, because of hatred i guess?


Why would G-d send a prophet that would kill His people?

he saved them what you talking about lol. turn off channel 2 news Israel and learn islam from a muslim, im not going to learn about the jews in Hitler's book so why you do the same thing going and copying the same cr@p from anti islamic sources?

Why would he send a prophet that tried to force His people to convert from Judaism?

when you say something you have to bring a proof. i cant say Obama is a hindu without a proof because its just empty words.

Quran 2:256
There is no compulsion in religion. Verily, the Right Path has become distinct from the wrong path. Whoever disbelieves in Taghut and believes in Allah, then he has grasped the most trustworthy handhold that will never break. And Allah is All-Hearer, All-Knower.

18:29
And say, "The truth (is) from your Lord, so whoever wills - let him believe and whoever wills - let him believe.

and you know some little history? give thanks to Islam because it saved Judaism for 1400 years from extinction of the hands of the christians... find out when was the Golden age of the jews in history. read jewish historians what they say about the muslims and the christians over the 1400 years.


Again, in no way is Muhammed ever prophesied in the Tanakh.

Subjective opinion without any proof.


"For starters, he doesn't even fit Jewish/Christian requirements for a "prophet"." - ok... whats the requirements for a "prophet"? secondly what you say about isaiah 42 about the prophet? any wrong with the video or the link?

For him to actually make "prophecies", for one! Muhammed cannot be a prophet (particularly by Jewish standards) as he did not make future predictions or have a direct connection to G-d.

How do you know he didnt make any future predictions or have a direct connection to God? in Quran and the Hadiths we have many future predictions... for example in the Quran it says in chapter "the romans" 30:2-3
The Romans have been defeated, In the nearer/lowest land (they have been defeated near the dead sea the lowest point on earth!) , and they, after their defeat, will be victorious. Within three to nine years. The decision of the matter, before and after (these events) is only with Allah...

the prophet prophecies many things, for example the conquest of many important cities in the world like istambul by young leader,conquest of Cyprus or The increase of the use of riba usury so that no one will able to escape being tainted by it. Today every bank involved in its the world economy today.

Plus ALL prophets are Jewish.

thats funny how you say such a thing? Abraham was a Jew? Noah? Adam?


By the time of Muhammed, the words of G-d had already been revealed.

we believe that too... but the problem Bible has been changed over the centuries, it not just our believe its what academy says.

Moreover "Allah" is not even the same G-d of the Tanakh--

how we say "God" in hebrew? alohim. what is "im" at the end of the word? its plural, so aloh and allah its not the same ha? its the same word any little change because of language sisters of hebrew and arabic. and the Quran acknowledge that the God of the Quran is the same God of the jews and christians -
29:46
And argue not with the People of the Scripture unless it be in (a way) that is better, save with such of them as do wrong; and say: We believe in that which hath been revealed unto us and revealed unto you; our Allah and your Allah is One, and unto Him we surrender.

hence why Islam and Judaism have different teachings and observe different Holy texts.

there are many things in common in Judiasm and Islam, and we believe also in the original of Moses his Torah, not todays Torah.


Here is proper source for Isaiah 42 with Hebrew translation: http://www.mechon-mamre.org...

i know this....
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11/16/2014 2:10:52 PM
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11/16/2014 6:14:58 PM
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There is absolutely nothing saying that is "prophet" will actually be from the village of Kedar. Literally all the verse states is:

(Isaiah 42:11) "Let the wilderness and the cities thereof lift up their voice, the villages that Kedar doth inhabit; let the inhabitants of Sela exult, let them shout from the top of the mountains."

Then: "Let them give glory unto the L-rd and declare His praise in the islands.

On the contrary to revealing anything about Muhammed, the verse is more likely to be referring to Israel the coming Messiah. Such as this article outlines:

http://blogs.timesofisrael.com...

In fact, even Christians strongly uphold this verse to be Messianic--as well as acknowledging references to Israel within the full context.

The only person that can be a "light to the Gentiles" is the Messiah.

Obviously there is heavy disagreement on his identity, but both Judaism and Christianity view Isaiah 42 as Messianic and in addition representative of Israel.

Such as this website also highlights: http://www.kingmessiahproject.com...

As for Muhammed slaughtering 3 Jewish tribes, no way do I get this from Chanel 2 news! Like any other news outlet it covets current events--not historic happenings. Actually I learned about the genocide of Banu Qurayza and other Jewish tribes from ISLAMIC sources. Such as the Hadiths. Hatred and examples of violence towards Jews are also explicitly outlined in the Qur'an.

Even Wikipedia labels the case of Banu as the: "Invasion of Banu Qurayza", which was of course les by Muhammed. In the article it states:

"The Islamic prophet Muhammed besieged Banu Qurayza for 25 days until they surrendered". (1)

The decision was made that the "men should be killed, the property divided, and the women and children taken captives".

The Muslim Tabari outlines that up to "600 to 900 men" were beheaded.
Qur'anic verses 33:26-27 and 33:9-10 are also describe the attack on Banu Qurayza.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org...

Evidently he did not "save them" as you hilariously claim! Moreover they're not my "lies and "distortions". The attacks in Jewish tribes, the most notable being Banu Qurayza, are historically chronicled events.

As is Muhammed's invasion and subsequent conquering of Mecca.

Your claim that Muslims saved Judaism is also completely erroneous, particularly as Jews (due to Roman expulsion) not ONLY lived in the Middle East that time. Practicing Jews also lived in Greece and were spread out all through the Mediterranean in non-Arab countries.

As for proof, have you actually got any? I presented far superior evidence and referenced--and could easily find more.

To reiterate: do you really have any *real* non-Islamic proof that Muhammed is being prophesied in Isaiah 42? So far you've included nothing bar your own personal interpretation.

The Qur'an makes no special prophesy about Roman defeat either, that was already gradually happening! I suggest you re-read your history.

Moreover, the Tabakh (which is the Holy book I go by) has not changed. It has remained the same through centuries, and to highlight: was written long before the Qur'an. You seriously have no idea about the Hebrew language either, which IS different to Arabic.

Just to display how wrong you've for it is that "G-d" is not translated as "Alohim"--that is laughable!

The correct term is "Elohim" with an E. It can be used both in the plural and singular sense and other completely singular terms such as "El" and "Eloah" and "Elah" are also used to describe G-d.

These "many" being similarities between Judaism and Islam--care to outline them? I advise you start sticking to your doctrine and stop trying to take theological credence from others.

And btw, the Islamic golden age is a myth.
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11/16/2014 7:59:24 PM
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At 11/16/2014 10:59:13 AM, POPOO5560 wrote:
In Isaiah 42 its talks about a Prophet from arabia who fights Idolaters, from the villages of Kader (the Arabs) etc... christain say it refers to Jesus but it cant for obvious reasons. anyway here short video ....

https://www.youtube.com...

Christains/Jews how you see this? do you have other interpretation of its for some figures?

in more detail
http://thedebateinitiative.com...

another one is John 1:25 - "Why then do you baptize if you are not the Messiah, nor Elijah, nor the Prophet?"

who is the 3 person? it cant Jesus because they said already Messiah.... anyway waiting for your opinions..

In the same way as you're doing, Christians don't have any idea what the prophecies mean but as long as they plug their false god named Jesus in the symbolic names in the prophecies, they can pretend Jesus is God.

Jesus is NOT God and Mohammad is NOT a prophet. Jesus was a saint and Mohammad was a false prophet who got lots of help to write the Quran from some Roman Catholics who were taught religious dogma by false prophets who run the Vatican. That's why Muslims and Catholics have very similar ideas about purgatory and the various levels of Heaven that people will enter after God judges His people, which is nothing but lies. God's judgment of all sinners is death of the flesh and that's it. There's no other judging necessary after He kills all the flesh during this first age like He told Noah He was going to do;

Genesis 6
12: And God saw the earth, and behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted their way upon the earth.
13: And God said to Noah, "I have determined to make an end of all flesh; for the earth is filled with violence through them; behold, I will destroy them with the earth.

17: For behold, I will bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh in which is the breath of life from under heaven; everything that is on the earth shall die.

The rest of the flesh on this earth will perish together as a result of the flood that killed the flesh in Noah's day. The flood set up the conditions on earth for the hot molten lava to blow through the crust and melt everything into a lake of fire.

Revelation 21
1: Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and the sea was no more.
8: But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the polluted, as for murderers, fornicators, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their lot shall be in the lake that burns with fire and sulphur, which is the second death."
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11/17/2014 2:16:42 AM
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At 11/16/2014 10:59:13 AM, POPOO5560 wrote:
In Isaiah 42 its talks about a Prophet from arabia who fights Idolaters, from the villages of Kader (the Arabs) etc... christain say it refers to Jesus but it cant for obvious reasons. anyway here short video ....

https://www.youtube.com...

Christains/Jews how you see this? do you have other interpretation of its for some figures?

in more detail
http://thedebateinitiative.com...

another one is John 1:25 - "Why then do you baptize if you are not the Messiah, nor Elijah, nor the Prophet?"

who is the 3 person? it cant Jesus because they said already Messiah.... anyway waiting for your opinions..

It's Isaiah, as mentioned in v. 23: "He said, I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness, Make straight the way of the Lord, as said Isaiah the prophet."

The Jews at the time expected a resurrection of one or more of the OT prophets preceding the appearance of the Messiah. Hence, the answer given to, "Who do men say that I am?"
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At 11/16/2014 12:25:52 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
Holy cow; Bulproof actually updated his profile!

The rumor is that he's actually prepping for his first real debate.
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11/17/2014 2:19:19 AM
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At 11/16/2014 7:59:24 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 11/16/2014 10:59:13 AM, POPOO5560 wrote:
In Isaiah 42 its talks about a Prophet from arabia who fights Idolaters, from the villages of Kader (the Arabs) etc... christain say it refers to Jesus but it cant for obvious reasons. anyway here short video ....

https://www.youtube.com...

Christains/Jews how you see this? do you have other interpretation of its for some figures?

in more detail
http://thedebateinitiative.com...

another one is John 1:25 - "Why then do you baptize if you are not the Messiah, nor Elijah, nor the Prophet?"

who is the 3 person? it cant Jesus because they said already Messiah.... anyway waiting for your opinions..

In the same way as you're doing, Christians don't have any idea what the prophecies mean but as long as they plug their false god named Jesus in the symbolic names in the prophecies, they can pretend Jesus is God.

Jesus is NOT God and Mohammad is NOT a prophet. Jesus was a saint and Mohammad was a false prophet who got lots of help to write the Quran from some Roman Catholics who were taught religious dogma by false prophets who run the Vatican. That's why Muslims and Catholics have very similar ideas about purgatory and the various levels of Heaven

So in effect, the Catholics wrote the Koran! Boy, that's a new one.
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11/17/2014 8:58:40 AM
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At 11/17/2014 2:19:19 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 11/16/2014 7:59:24 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 11/16/2014 10:59:13 AM, POPOO5560 wrote:
In Isaiah 42 its talks about a Prophet from arabia who fights Idolaters, from the villages of Kader (the Arabs) etc... christain say it refers to Jesus but it cant for obvious reasons. anyway here short video ....

https://www.youtube.com...

Christains/Jews how you see this? do you have other interpretation of its for some figures?

in more detail
http://thedebateinitiative.com...

another one is John 1:25 - "Why then do you baptize if you are not the Messiah, nor Elijah, nor the Prophet?"

who is the 3 person? it cant Jesus because they said already Messiah.... anyway waiting for your opinions..

In the same way as you're doing, Christians don't have any idea what the prophecies mean but as long as they plug their false god named Jesus in the symbolic names in the prophecies, they can pretend Jesus is God.

Jesus is NOT God and Mohammad is NOT a prophet. Jesus was a saint and Mohammad was a false prophet who got lots of help to write the Quran from some Roman Catholics who were taught religious dogma by false prophets who run the Vatican. That's why Muslims and Catholics have very similar ideas about purgatory and the various levels of Heaven

So in effect, the Catholics wrote the Koran! Boy, that's a new one.

Mohammad was a false prophet who needed help to get his cult going because he was very unsuccessful in the first several years of his teachings. It is known that he turned to Roman Catholics for some teachings, particularly about their Heavenly order after the body dies and where the spiritual soul ends up. There's no doubt that He got some new revelations from God, just like Leonardo da Vinci, Einstein, etc. but it wasn't meant to spread the Truth around the world. As you can see, Muslims are no different than the religious Jews or Christians who have deceived God's people for the past thousands of years.
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11/17/2014 9:20:24 AM
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At 11/17/2014 8:58:40 AM, bornofgod wrote:
At 11/17/2014 2:19:19 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 11/16/2014 7:59:24 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 11/16/2014 10:59:13 AM, POPOO5560 wrote:
In Isaiah 42 its talks about a Prophet from arabia who fights Idolaters, from the villages of Kader (the Arabs) etc... christain say it refers to Jesus but it cant for obvious reasons. anyway here short video ....

https://www.youtube.com...

Christains/Jews how you see this? do you have other interpretation of its for some figures?

in more detail
http://thedebateinitiative.com...

another one is John 1:25 - "Why then do you baptize if you are not the Messiah, nor Elijah, nor the Prophet?"

who is the 3 person? it cant Jesus because they said already Messiah.... anyway waiting for your opinions..

In the same way as you're doing, Christians don't have any idea what the prophecies mean but as long as they plug their false god named Jesus in the symbolic names in the prophecies, they can pretend Jesus is God.

Jesus is NOT God and Mohammad is NOT a prophet. Jesus was a saint and Mohammad was a false prophet who got lots of help to write the Quran from some Roman Catholics who were taught religious dogma by false prophets who run the Vatican. That's why Muslims and Catholics have very similar ideas about purgatory and the various levels of Heaven

So in effect, the Catholics wrote the Koran! Boy, that's a new one.

Mohammad was a false prophet who needed help to get his cult going because he was very unsuccessful in the first several years of his teachings. It is known that he turned to Roman Catholics for some teachings, particularly about their Heavenly order after the body dies and where the spiritual soul ends up. There's no doubt that He got some new revelations from God, just like Leonardo da Vinci, Einstein, etc. but it wasn't meant to spread the Truth around the world. As you can see, Muslims are no different than the religious Jews or Christians who have deceived God's people for the past thousands of years.

"Mohammad was a false prophet"
"There's no doubt that He got some new revelations from God"

Can't be both ways, SchizoBrad
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11/17/2014 9:22:16 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/16/2014 6:14:58 PM, Emilrose wrote:
There is absolutely nothing saying that is "prophet" will actually be from the village of Kedar. Literally all the verse states is:

(Isaiah 42:11) "Let the wilderness and the cities thereof lift up their voice, the villages that Kedar doth inhabit; let the inhabitants of Sela exult, let them shout from the top of the mountains."

Then: "Let them give glory unto the L-rd and declare His praise in the islands.

On the contrary to revealing anything about Muhammed, the verse is more likely to be referring to Israel the coming Messiah. Such as this article outlines:

http://blogs.timesofisrael.com...

its not fitting the descriptions. they dont mentioning "Kedar" or " the villages that Kedar inhabits" because they know it would refer to the Arabs but instead they say its talks about jews LOL what a fail. read again what excuses they wrote about "light for the non-jews (Goi)..fail AGAIN. funny how you ignoring the descriptions of prophet Muhammed (may peace be upon him) and taking some lame excuses,fail... AGAIN.


In fact, even Christians strongly uphold this verse to be Messianic--as well as acknowledging references to Israel within the full context.

But i just told you its not fitting Jesus (pbuh), what Jesus has to do with Kedar or the Arabs? he was a warrior? no. where it says "messiah"? no where. it says the prophet. Jesus fought against idolaters? no.

The only person that can be a "light to the Gentiles" is the Messiah.

its stranger to hear the jewish Messiah will be for all nations and not for the jews...


Obviously there is heavy disagreement on his identity, but both Judaism and Christianity view Isaiah 42 as Messianic and in addition representative of Israel.

its not fitting both. compare it with Prophet muhhamed (pbuh) he fitting perfectly, if you cant refute this, dont say empty words "he is not fitting", bring proof.


Such as this website also highlights: http://www.kingmessiahproject.com...


As for Muhammed slaughtering 3 Jewish tribes, no way do I get this from Chanel 2 news! Like any other news outlet it covets current events--not historic happenings. Actually I learned about the genocide of Banu Qurayza and other Jewish tribes from ISLAMIC sources. Such as the Hadiths. Hatred and examples of violence towards Jews are also explicitly outlined in the Qur'an.

Ok now i tired responding to lies, and its not the subject why mentioning it anyway here? hatred?


Even Wikipedia labels the case of Banu as the: "Invasion of Banu Qurayza", which was of course les by Muhammed. In the article it states:

"The Islamic prophet Muhammed besieged Banu Qurayza for 25 days until they surrendered". (1)

The decision was made that the "men should be killed, the property divided, and the women and children taken captives".

"Wikipedia" is your source for that? wow amazing. everyone can add and delete, good job. learn Islam from muslims not wicked-pedia.


The Muslim Tabari outlines that up to "600 to 900 men" were beheaded.
Qur'anic verses 33:26-27 and 33:9-10 are also describe the attack on Banu Qurayza.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org...

Evidently he did not "save them" as you hilariously claim! Moreover they're not my "lies and "distortions". The attacks in Jewish tribes, the most notable being Banu Qurayza, are historically chronicled events.

first i dont know why im responding to you on this subject,play the same game now im going to mentioned what moses did (by the loving God approval) to men childrens babies women donkeys killing evrybody up? only saving the virgin girls and how do men at that time knew if a girl is a virgin or not? you must rape them first.. but whatever i cant see more lies so lets respond to some nonsense you brought here propably from news and bullsh1tpedia.

first who were Banu Qurayza? Banu Qurayza were the jewish tribe who lived in madina (the city of the Prophet) were the muslims had no option to do and dug a trech because the pagans came to attack the city, and they besieged the city, now the tribe committed a treason by allying with the pagan and planing to attack the muslims behind. so they appointed Saa'd ibn Mu'ad to pass a decision (its not the prophet!). what he did? he judge the jews according to the Torah becaues they are jews!

Deuteronomy 20:10-14
10 "When you draw near to a city to fight against it, offer terms of peace to it. 11 And if it responds to you peaceably and it opens to you, then all the people who are found in it shall do forced labor for you and shall serve you. 12 But if it makes no peace with you, but makes war against you, then you shall besiege it. 13 And when the Lord your God gives it into your hand, you shall put all its males to the sword, 14 but the women and the little ones, the livestock, and everything else in the city, all its spoil, you shall take as plunder for yourselves. And you shall enjoy the spoil of your enemies, which the Lord your God has given you.

so Saa'd ibn Mu'ad applied the jewish law to the jewish people, but not as a strictly in Deuteronomy they killed only the men who tried to kill them. what a shame to confess your own book slaps you.

As is Muhammed's invasion and subsequent conquering of Mecca.

WTF Muhhamed (pbuh) and his followers were expelled from mecca their city, thats you called invasion? why why so hatred and nonsense.


Your claim that Muslims saved Judaism is also completely erroneous, particularly as Jews (due to Roman expulsion) not ONLY lived in the Middle East that time. Practicing Jews also lived in Greece and were spread out all through the Mediterranean in non-Arab countries.

what a nonsense, when they conquered spain where they lived? after the christians expelled the jews from europe where did they go? you dont know history go learn and come back. "Your claim that Muslims saved Judaism" is the claim of historians not someone like you trying to defame muslims without knowledge of anything regarding islam or history.

As for proof, have you actually got any? I presented far superior evidence and referenced--and could easily find more.

empty words...


To reiterate: do you really have any *real* non-Islamic proof that Muhammed is being prophesied in Isaiah 42? So far you've included nothing bar your own personal interpretation.

yeah sure and you cant refute it.


The Qur'an makes no special prophesy about Roman defeat either, that was already gradually happening! I suggest you re-read your history.

empty....... words.


Moreover, the Tabakh (which is the Holy book I go by) has not changed.

thats wrong. modern scholars say otherwise.

It has remained the same through centuries, and to highlight: was written long before the Qur'an. You seriously have no idea about the Hebrew language either, which IS different to Arabic.

i know both langauges and they are Semitic languages, do you know both or just again empty words?


Just to display how wrong you've for it is that "G-d" is not translated as "Alohim"--that is laughable!

wow alohim or elohim.. ok teach me how to write things right,


The correct term is "Elohim" with an E. It can be used both in the plural and singular sense and other completely singular terms such as "El" and "Eloah" and "Elah" are also used to describe G-d.

the same words the same meanings in arabic. fail again.

These "many" being similarities between Judaism and Islam--care to outline them? I advise you start sticking to your doctrine and stop trying to take theological credence from others.

And btw, the Islamic golden age is a myth.

i can understand now you dont know anytihng about islam judiasm hebrew arabic or littl
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11/17/2014 9:35:46 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/17/2014 2:16:42 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 11/16/2014 10:59:13 AM, POPOO5560 wrote:
In Isaiah 42 its talks about a Prophet from arabia who fights Idolaters, from the villages of Kader (the Arabs) etc... christain say it refers to Jesus but it cant for obvious reasons. anyway here short video ....

https://www.youtube.com...

Christains/Jews how you see this? do you have other interpretation of its for some figures?

in more detail
http://thedebateinitiative.com...

another one is John 1:25 - "Why then do you baptize if you are not the Messiah, nor Elijah, nor the Prophet?"

who is the 3 person? it cant Jesus because they said already Messiah.... anyway waiting for your opinions..

It's Isaiah, as mentioned in v. 23: "He said, I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness, Make straight the way of the Lord, as said Isaiah the prophet."

The Jews at the time expected a resurrection of one or more of the OT prophets preceding the appearance of the Messiah. Hence, the answer given to, "Who do men say that I am?"

So you are saying that its Isaiah who lived around 8th-century BC LOL.
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11/17/2014 9:45:38 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/17/2014 9:35:46 AM, POPOO5560 wrote:
At 11/17/2014 2:16:42 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 11/16/2014 10:59:13 AM, POPOO5560 wrote:
In Isaiah 42 its talks about a Prophet from arabia who fights Idolaters, from the villages of Kader (the Arabs) etc... christain say it refers to Jesus but it cant for obvious reasons. anyway here short video ....

https://www.youtube.com...

Christains/Jews how you see this? do you have other interpretation of its for some figures?

in more detail
http://thedebateinitiative.com...

another one is John 1:25 - "Why then do you baptize if you are not the Messiah, nor Elijah, nor the Prophet?"

who is the 3 person? it cant Jesus because they said already Messiah.... anyway waiting for your opinions..

It's Isaiah, as mentioned in v. 23: "He said, I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness, Make straight the way of the Lord, as said Isaiah the prophet."

The Jews at the time expected a resurrection of one or more of the OT prophets preceding the appearance of the Messiah. Hence, the answer given to, "Who do men say that I am?"

So you are saying that its Isaiah who lived around 8th-century BC LOL.

Just as Elijah lived in the 9th century BC.

"And they asked him, and said unto him, Why then baptizest thou, if thou art not the Christ, neither Elijah, neither the prophet?"

Do you claim that the persons who asked this question were inspired?

Do you claim that the persons who asked this question thought John might have been Elijah (9th century BC), but not Isaiah (8th-century BC) who was just referenced?
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11/17/2014 10:10:57 AM
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At 11/17/2014 9:45:38 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 11/17/2014 9:35:46 AM, POPOO5560 wrote:
At 11/17/2014 2:16:42 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 11/16/2014 10:59:13 AM, POPOO5560 wrote:
In Isaiah 42 its talks about a Prophet from arabia who fights Idolaters, from the villages of Kader (the Arabs) etc... christain say it refers to Jesus but it cant for obvious reasons. anyway here short video ....

https://www.youtube.com...

Christains/Jews how you see this? do you have other interpretation of its for some figures?

in more detail
http://thedebateinitiative.com...

another one is John 1:25 - "Why then do you baptize if you are not the Messiah, nor Elijah, nor the Prophet?"

who is the 3 person? it cant Jesus because they said already Messiah.... anyway waiting for your opinions..

It's Isaiah, as mentioned in v. 23: "He said, I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness, Make straight the way of the Lord, as said Isaiah the prophet."

The Jews at the time expected a resurrection of one or more of the OT prophets preceding the appearance of the Messiah. Hence, the answer given to, "Who do men say that I am?"

So you are saying that its Isaiah who lived around 8th-century BC LOL.

Just as Elijah lived in the 9th century BC.

"And they asked him, and said unto him, Why then baptizest thou, if thou art not the Christ, neither Elijah, neither the prophet?"

Do you claim that the persons who asked this question were inspired?

Do you claim that the persons who asked this question thought John might have been Elijah (9th century BC), but not Isaiah (8th-century BC) who was just referenced?

thats weird lol, lets examine the 3 persons... the Messiah is Jesus. how do we know Elijah is John? becuase Jesus (pbuh) says so (although its a contradiaction but if Jesus said that maybe John him self didnt know if he was Elijah (pbuh)...). now who is 3? you said Isaiah but what proof do you have? the bible anywhere states that Isaiah will come back again after his death or something like that? you said Isaiah because he was a prophet also? so what about Moses (pbuh)? or perhaps any prophet in the bible? i never heard after many debates someone says "Isaiah" because he is dead already.
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11/17/2014 10:13:26 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/17/2014 10:10:57 AM, POPOO5560 wrote:
At 11/17/2014 9:45:38 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 11/17/2014 9:35:46 AM, POPOO5560 wrote:
At 11/17/2014 2:16:42 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 11/16/2014 10:59:13 AM, POPOO5560 wrote:
In Isaiah 42 its talks about a Prophet from arabia who fights Idolaters, from the villages of Kader (the Arabs) etc... christain say it refers to Jesus but it cant for obvious reasons. anyway here short video ....

https://www.youtube.com...

Christains/Jews how you see this? do you have other interpretation of its for some figures?

in more detail
http://thedebateinitiative.com...

another one is John 1:25 - "Why then do you baptize if you are not the Messiah, nor Elijah, nor the Prophet?"

who is the 3 person? it cant Jesus because they said already Messiah.... anyway waiting for your opinions..

It's Isaiah, as mentioned in v. 23: "He said, I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness, Make straight the way of the Lord, as said Isaiah the prophet."

The Jews at the time expected a resurrection of one or more of the OT prophets preceding the appearance of the Messiah. Hence, the answer given to, "Who do men say that I am?"

So you are saying that its Isaiah who lived around 8th-century BC LOL.

Just as Elijah lived in the 9th century BC.

"And they asked him, and said unto him, Why then baptizest thou, if thou art not the Christ, neither Elijah, neither the prophet?"

Do you claim that the persons who asked this question were inspired?

Do you claim that the persons who asked this question thought John might have been Elijah (9th century BC), but not Isaiah (8th-century BC) who was just referenced?

thats weird lol, lets examine the 3 persons... the Messiah is Jesus. how do we know Elijah is John? becuase Jesus (pbuh) says so (although its a contradiaction but if Jesus said that maybe John him self didnt know if he was Elijah (pbuh)...). now who is 3? you said Isaiah but what proof do you have? the bible anywhere states that Isaiah will come back again after his death or something like that? you said Isaiah because he was a prophet also? so what about Moses (pbuh)? or perhaps any prophet in the bible? i never heard after many debates someone says "Isaiah" because he is dead already.

Allow me to re-ask the questions since apparently they got lost in the shuffle:

Do you claim that the persons who asked this question were inspired? "And they asked him, and said unto him, Why then baptizest thou, if thou art not the Christ, neither Elijah, neither the prophet?"

Do you claim that the persons who asked this question thought John might have been Elijah (9th century BC), but not Isaiah (8th-century BC) who was just referenced?
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11/17/2014 10:51:34 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/17/2014 9:20:24 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 11/17/2014 8:58:40 AM, bornofgod wrote:
At 11/17/2014 2:19:19 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 11/16/2014 7:59:24 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 11/16/2014 10:59:13 AM, POPOO5560 wrote:
In Isaiah 42 its talks about a Prophet from arabia who fights Idolaters, from the villages of Kader (the Arabs) etc... christain say it refers to Jesus but it cant for obvious reasons. anyway here short video ....

https://www.youtube.com...

Christains/Jews how you see this? do you have other interpretation of its for some figures?

in more detail
http://thedebateinitiative.com...

another one is John 1:25 - "Why then do you baptize if you are not the Messiah, nor Elijah, nor the Prophet?"

who is the 3 person? it cant Jesus because they said already Messiah.... anyway waiting for your opinions..

In the same way as you're doing, Christians don't have any idea what the prophecies mean but as long as they plug their false god named Jesus in the symbolic names in the prophecies, they can pretend Jesus is God.

Jesus is NOT God and Mohammad is NOT a prophet. Jesus was a saint and Mohammad was a false prophet who got lots of help to write the Quran from some Roman Catholics who were taught religious dogma by false prophets who run the Vatican. That's why Muslims and Catholics have very similar ideas about purgatory and the various levels of Heaven

So in effect, the Catholics wrote the Koran! Boy, that's a new one.

Mohammad was a false prophet who needed help to get his cult going because he was very unsuccessful in the first several years of his teachings. It is known that he turned to Roman Catholics for some teachings, particularly about their Heavenly order after the body dies and where the spiritual soul ends up. There's no doubt that He got some new revelations from God, just like Leonardo da Vinci, Einstein, etc. but it wasn't meant to spread the Truth around the world. As you can see, Muslims are no different than the religious Jews or Christians who have deceived God's people for the past thousands of years.

"Mohammad was a false prophet"
"There's no doubt that He got some new revelations from God"

Can't be both ways, SchizoBrad

Where do you think man gets his thoughts, Anna?

Amos 4
13: For lo, he who forms the mountains, and creates the wind, and declares to man what is his thought;
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Allah is the moon god of ancient arab paganism. Muhammed was nothing but a desert robber who gathered a big enough gang to take Mecca by force and proclaim himself as a prophet from God with authority to kill all the jews and kill anybody who would not bow to him as the prophet of the ancient moon god, Allah who is not God of the Bible.
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11/17/2014 11:22:04 AM
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At 11/16/2014 10:59:13 AM, POPOO5560 wrote:
In Isaiah 42 its talks about a Prophet from arabia who fights Idolaters, from the ........

Isaiah 42, verse 8, God says, I am the LORD, that is my name: ...........God's name is not Allah. Muhammed was a liar, murderer, child molester. A prophet from Hell, maybe but not a prophet from the LORD.
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11/17/2014 11:29:39 AM
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At 11/16/2014 11:15:55 AM, bulproof wrote:
Don't you guys get sick of this?

This guy is no different than you.....lost.
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11/17/2014 11:48:51 AM
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Isaiah 42:11 says nothing about any prophet from Kedar (It's not Kadar). It simply says the people of that land will rejoice when the Messiah rules, and He is the LORD.

God's promises are to bless all of the families of the world through Israel, and after God's judgment falls against ungodliness Israel will be restored to knowing God as He is the LORD though they must go through a punishment for their rebellions agaisnt the LORD. God always punishes the people who mistreat His chosen people, Israel and He does not let sins of Israel go unpunished. One day all of the Jews will know Jesus is God the Messiah and all Israel in that day will be saved. Jesus Christ will rule the world from Mt. Zion and He is the LORD. Muhammed was a liar. Islam is murder. Muhammed simply invented a religion for Arabs to justify their hatred and envy of the Jews, and the Arabs love their hatred of Israel so picked up guns and threaten everybody to try to force all to bow to their moon God Allah is if they can steal God's promises that way. Israel is God's chosen people through whom to bless all the families of the Earth. Islam is only a pawn of the devil to destroy as many people as possible so they can join Muhammed and the devil in the fire of Hell.
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11/17/2014 4:44:16 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/17/2014 10:51:34 AM, bornofgod wrote:
At 11/17/2014 9:20:24 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 11/17/2014 8:58:40 AM, bornofgod wrote:
At 11/17/2014 2:19:19 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 11/16/2014 7:59:24 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 11/16/2014 10:59:13 AM, POPOO5560 wrote:
In Isaiah 42 its talks about a Prophet from arabia who fights Idolaters, from the villages of Kader (the Arabs) etc... christain say it refers to Jesus but it cant for obvious reasons. anyway here short video ....

https://www.youtube.com...

Christains/Jews how you see this? do you have other interpretation of its for some figures?

in more detail
http://thedebateinitiative.com...

another one is John 1:25 - "Why then do you baptize if you are not the Messiah, nor Elijah, nor the Prophet?"

who is the 3 person? it cant Jesus because they said already Messiah.... anyway waiting for your opinions..

In the same way as you're doing, Christians don't have any idea what the prophecies mean but as long as they plug their false god named Jesus in the symbolic names in the prophecies, they can pretend Jesus is God.

Jesus is NOT God and Mohammad is NOT a prophet. Jesus was a saint and Mohammad was a false prophet who got lots of help to write the Quran from some Roman Catholics who were taught religious dogma by false prophets who run the Vatican. That's why Muslims and Catholics have very similar ideas about purgatory and the various levels of Heaven

So in effect, the Catholics wrote the Koran! Boy, that's a new one.

Mohammad was a false prophet who needed help to get his cult going because he was very unsuccessful in the first several years of his teachings. It is known that he turned to Roman Catholics for some teachings, particularly about their Heavenly order after the body dies and where the spiritual soul ends up. There's no doubt that He got some new revelations from God, just like Leonardo da Vinci, Einstein, etc. but it wasn't meant to spread the Truth around the world. As you can see, Muslims are no different than the religious Jews or Christians who have deceived God's people for the past thousands of years.

"Mohammad was a false prophet"
"There's no doubt that He got some new revelations from God"

Can't be both ways, SchizoBrad

Where do you think man gets his thoughts, Anna?

From his brain, most of the time - although when you were busily fornicating with your senorita, you were probably thinking with another part of your anatomy.
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11/17/2014 9:59:23 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/17/2014 4:44:16 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 11/17/2014 10:51:34 AM, bornofgod wrote:
At 11/17/2014 9:20:24 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 11/17/2014 8:58:40 AM, bornofgod wrote:
At 11/17/2014 2:19:19 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 11/16/2014 7:59:24 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 11/16/2014 10:59:13 AM, POPOO5560 wrote:
In Isaiah 42 its talks about a Prophet from arabia who fights Idolaters, from the villages of Kader (the Arabs) etc... christain say it refers to Jesus but it cant for obvious reasons. anyway here short video ....

https://www.youtube.com...

Christains/Jews how you see this? do you have other interpretation of its for some figures?

in more detail
http://thedebateinitiative.com...

another one is John 1:25 - "Why then do you baptize if you are not the Messiah, nor Elijah, nor the Prophet?"

who is the 3 person? it cant Jesus because they said already Messiah.... anyway waiting for your opinions..

In the same way as you're doing, Christians don't have any idea what the prophecies mean but as long as they plug their false god named Jesus in the symbolic names in the prophecies, they can pretend Jesus is God.

Jesus is NOT God and Mohammad is NOT a prophet. Jesus was a saint and Mohammad was a false prophet who got lots of help to write the Quran from some Roman Catholics who were taught religious dogma by false prophets who run the Vatican. That's why Muslims and Catholics have very similar ideas about purgatory and the various levels of Heaven

So in effect, the Catholics wrote the Koran! Boy, that's a new one.

Mohammad was a false prophet who needed help to get his cult going because he was very unsuccessful in the first several years of his teachings. It is known that he turned to Roman Catholics for some teachings, particularly about their Heavenly order after the body dies and where the spiritual soul ends up. There's no doubt that He got some new revelations from God, just like Leonardo da Vinci, Einstein, etc. but it wasn't meant to spread the Truth around the world. As you can see, Muslims are no different than the religious Jews or Christians who have deceived God's people for the past thousands of years.

"Mohammad was a false prophet"
"There's no doubt that He got some new revelations from God"

Can't be both ways, SchizoBrad

Where do you think man gets his thoughts, Anna?

From his brain, most of the time - although when you were busily fornicating with your senorita, you were probably thinking with another part of your anatomy.

Why did you leave out the scripture I shared with you? Is it because you don't believe what God had His prophets write?

The brain of a man is only a processor of information that comes from the mind of God where we all exist. So you're correct in saying thoughts come from the brain but all the information needed by the brain to form those thoughts into understandable knowledge such as images, languages, music, poetry, etc. comes directly from our Creator's mind.
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11/18/2014 1:15:08 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/17/2014 9:59:23 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 11/17/2014 4:44:16 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 11/17/2014 10:51:34 AM, bornofgod wrote:
At 11/17/2014 9:20:24 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 11/17/2014 8:58:40 AM, bornofgod wrote:
At 11/17/2014 2:19:19 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 11/16/2014 7:59:24 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 11/16/2014 10:59:13 AM, POPOO5560 wrote:
In Isaiah 42 its talks about a Prophet from arabia who fights Idolaters, from the villages of Kader (the Arabs) etc... christain say it refers to Jesus but it cant for obvious reasons. anyway here short video ....

https://www.youtube.com...

Christains/Jews how you see this? do you have other interpretation of its for some figures?

in more detail
http://thedebateinitiative.com...

another one is John 1:25 - "Why then do you baptize if you are not the Messiah, nor Elijah, nor the Prophet?"

who is the 3 person? it cant Jesus because they said already Messiah.... anyway waiting for your opinions..

In the same way as you're doing, Christians don't have any idea what the prophecies mean but as long as they plug their false god named Jesus in the symbolic names in the prophecies, they can pretend Jesus is God.

Jesus is NOT God and Mohammad is NOT a prophet. Jesus was a saint and Mohammad was a false prophet who got lots of help to write the Quran from some Roman Catholics who were taught religious dogma by false prophets who run the Vatican. That's why Muslims and Catholics have very similar ideas about purgatory and the various levels of Heaven

So in effect, the Catholics wrote the Koran! Boy, that's a new one.

Mohammad was a false prophet who needed help to get his cult going because he was very unsuccessful in the first several years of his teachings. It is known that he turned to Roman Catholics for some teachings, particularly about their Heavenly order after the body dies and where the spiritual soul ends up. There's no doubt that He got some new revelations from God, just like Leonardo da Vinci, Einstein, etc. but it wasn't meant to spread the Truth around the world. As you can see, Muslims are no different than the religious Jews or Christians who have deceived God's people for the past thousands of years.

"Mohammad was a false prophet"
"There's no doubt that He got some new revelations from God"

Can't be both ways, SchizoBrad

Where do you think man gets his thoughts, Anna?

From his brain, most of the time - although when you were busily fornicating with your senorita, you were probably thinking with another part of your anatomy.

Why did you leave out the scripture I shared with you? Is it because you don't believe what God had His prophets write?

The brain of a man is only a processor of information that comes from the mind of God where we all exist. So you're correct in saying thoughts come from the brain but all the information needed by the brain to form those thoughts into understandable knowledge such as images, languages, music, poetry, etc. comes directly from our Creator's mind.

That's right. You've claim that men's thoughts of rape, child abuse, and everything else come from God.
Madcornishbiker: "No, I don't need a dictionary, I know how scripture uses words and that is all I need to now."