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5/9/2010 6:25:31 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
It is from the term "Philistines" that the name "Palestinians" has been taken. Actually, the ancient Philistines and modern Palestinians have something in common: both are invaders from other lands! That is precisely the meaning of their name, that is not an ethnic denomination but an adjective applied to them: Peleshet, from the verb "pelesh", "dividers", "penetrators" or "invaders". The Philistines were a confederation of non-Semitic peoples coming from Crete, the Aegean Islands and Asia Minor, also known as "Sea Peoples". The main tribes were Tzekelesh, Shardana, Akhaiusha, Danauna, Tzakara, Masa or Meshwesh, Lukki, Dardana, Tursha, Keshesh or Karkisha, Labu and Irven. The original homeland of the group that ruled the Philistine federation, namely the "Pelesati", was the island of Crete. When the Minoic civilization collapsed, also the Minoic culture disappeared from Crete, as invaders from Greece took control of the island. These ancient Cretans arrived in Southern Canaan and were known as "Pelestim and Keretim" by Hebrews and Canaanites (that became allied to fight the invaders). Their first settlement seem to have been Gaza, whose original name was "Minoah", a clear reference to the fallen Minoic kingdom. They also invaded Egypt and were defeated by Pharaoh Ramose III in the 12th century b.c.e. The Philistines were organized in city-states, being the most important the Pentapolis: Gaza, Ashdod, Ashkelon, Gath and Ekron, and their territory was close to the Mediterranean coast, a little longer and broader than the present-day "Gaza Strip" - not the whole Judah, they never reached Hevron, Jerusalem or Yericho! Those Sea Peoples that invaded Egypt were expelled towards other Mediterranean lands and did not evolve into any Arab people, but disappeared as distinguishable groups in Roman times. Those dwelling in Canaan were defeated by King David and reduced to insignificance, the best warriors among them were chosen as David's bodyguard. The remaining Philistines still dwelling in Gaza were subdued by Sargon II of Assyria and after that time, they disappeared definitively from history. They are no longer mentioned since the return of the Jewish exiles from Babylon. Conclusion: there is not one single person in the world who may be able to prove Philistine lineage, yet, if Palestinians insist, they have to recognize themselves as invaders in Israel, and then they must ask Greece to return them back the Isle of Crete! The Philistines are extinct and claims to alleged links with them are utterly false as they are historically impossible to establish. In any case, claiming a Philistine heritage is idle because it cannot legitimate any land in which they were foreign occupants and not native dwellers. Philistines were not Arabs, and the only feature in common between both peoples is that in Israel they should be regarded as invaders, Philistines from the sea and Arabs from the wilderness. They do not want Jerusalem because it is their city, which is not and never has been, they simply want to take her from the Jews, to whom she has belonged for three thousand years. The Philistines wanted to take from Israelites the Holy Ark of the Covenant, modern so-called Palestinians want to take from them the Holy City of the Covenant. The Palestinians: No, they are not any ancient people, but claim to be. They were born in a single day, after a war that lasted six days in 1967 c.e. If they were true Canaanites, they would speak Hebrew and demand from Syria to give them back their occupied homeland in Lebanon, but they are not. If they were Philistines, they would claim back the Isle of Crete from Greece and would recognize that they have nothing to do with the Land of Israel, and would ask excuses to Israel for having stolen the Ark of the Covenant.
the most important source for muslim Arabs:

"And thereafter We [Allah] said to the Children of Israel: 'Dwell securely in the Promised Land. And when the last warning will come to pass, we will gather you together in a mingled crowd'.".

- Qur'an 17:104 -

Any sincere muslim must recognize the Land they call "Palestine" as the Jewish Homeland, according to the book considered by muslims to be the most sacred word and Allah's ultimate revelation.

Ibn Khaldun, one of the most creditable
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5/9/2010 12:42:46 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/9/2010 12:40:56 PM, Mirza wrote:
The land of Israel does not belong to the Jews only according to the Torah.

Zionists will twist the words of the Qur'an around too.

"And thereafter We [Allah] said to the Children of Israel: 'Dwell securely in the Promised Land. And when the last warning will come to pass, we will gather you together in a mingled crowd'.". - Qur'an 17:104 <------Banker had this verse in his sig as you probably saw.
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5/9/2010 12:47:26 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/9/2010 12:42:46 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
Zionists will twist the words of the Qur'an around too.

"And thereafter We [Allah] said to the Children of Israel: 'Dwell securely in the Promised Land. And when the last warning will come to pass, we will gather you together in a mingled crowd'.". - Qur'an 17:104 <------Banker had this verse in his sig as you probably saw.
The Jews became corrupt at those times and did not deserve the land.

Arabs too are the ones who belong to Israel. This is from the Torah itself.
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5/9/2010 1:10:23 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Mirza imagin if you would be able to back that up...!!

Interesting how mizra now playing the bible/toah game..!!
the most important source for muslim Arabs:

"And thereafter We [Allah] said to the Children of Israel: 'Dwell securely in the Promised Land. And when the last warning will come to pass, we will gather you together in a mingled crowd'.".

- Qur'an 17:104 -

Any sincere muslim must recognize the Land they call "Palestine" as the Jewish Homeland, according to the book considered by muslims to be the most sacred word and Allah's ultimate revelation.

Ibn Khaldun, one of the most creditable
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5/9/2010 1:17:14 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/9/2010 1:10:23 PM, banker wrote:
Mirza imagin if you would be able to back that up...!!

Interesting how mizra now playing the bible/toah game..!!
I can.

Ishmael is the son of Abraham, and the seed of him.

[Genesis 17:20] "And as for Ishmael, I have heard you: I will surely bless him; I will make him fruitful and will greatly increase his numbers. He will be the father of twelve rulers, and I will make him into a great nation."

It is mentioned several times more, all in the Torah. There is no doubt that Israel also belongs to the Arabs.
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5/9/2010 1:40:50 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Mizra its nice to see how important you belive the bible,s view is on that issue..!!

I just wonder why the part that in you opinion suggests arabs have a right to kill israel is not mentioning the word israel.?

Where is israel in bible to ishmail.?

Is a good word to ishmial justification for anything.?
the most important source for muslim Arabs:

"And thereafter We [Allah] said to the Children of Israel: 'Dwell securely in the Promised Land. And when the last warning will come to pass, we will gather you together in a mingled crowd'.".

- Qur'an 17:104 -

Any sincere muslim must recognize the Land they call "Palestine" as the Jewish Homeland, according to the book considered by muslims to be the most sacred word and Allah's ultimate revelation.

Ibn Khaldun, one of the most creditable
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5/9/2010 1:43:31 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/9/2010 1:40:50 PM, banker wrote:
Mizra its nice to see how important you belive the bible,s view is on that issue..!!
Yes.

I just wonder why the part that in you opinion suggests arabs have a right to kill israel is not mentioning the word israel.?
They do not have a right to 'kill' Israel. They should live in peace.

Where is israel in bible to ishmail.?

Is a good word to ishmial justification for anything.?
What does this mean?
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5/9/2010 8:31:07 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Is genesis 7;20 your best source for islams bieng promised israel.?
the most important source for muslim Arabs:

"And thereafter We [Allah] said to the Children of Israel: 'Dwell securely in the Promised Land. And when the last warning will come to pass, we will gather you together in a mingled crowd'.".

- Qur'an 17:104 -

Any sincere muslim must recognize the Land they call "Palestine" as the Jewish Homeland, according to the book considered by muslims to be the most sacred word and Allah's ultimate revelation.

Ibn Khaldun, one of the most creditable
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5/10/2010 7:33:13 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
"There has never been a land known as Palestine governed by Palestinians. Palestinians are Arabs, indistinguishable from Jordanians (another recent invention), Syrians, Iraqis, etc. Keep in mind that the Arabs control 99.9 percent of the Middle East lands. Israel represents one-tenth of one percent of the landmass. But that's too much for the Arabs. They want it all. And that is ultimately what the fighting in Israel is about today... No matter how many land concessions the Israelis make, it will never be enough". - Joseph Farah, "Myths of the Middle East" - Let us hear what other Arabs have said: "There is no such country as Palestine. 'Palestine' is a term the Zionists invented. There is no Palestine in the Bible. Our country was for centuries part of Syria. 'Palestine' is alien to us. It is the Zionists who introduced it". - Auni Bey Abdul-Hadi, Syrian Arab leader to British Peel Commission, 1937 - "There is no such thing as Palestine in history, absolutely not". - Professor Philip Hitti, Arab historian, 1946 - "It is common knowledge that Palestine is nothing but Southern Syria". - Representant of Saudi Arabia at the United Nations, 1956 - Concerning the Holy Land, the chairman of the Syrian Delegation at the Paris Peace Conference in February 1919 stated: "The only Arab domination since the Conquest in 635 c.e. hardly lasted, as such, 22 years". The preceding declarations by Arab politicians have been done before 1967, as they had not the slightest knowledge of the existence of any Palestinian people. How and when did they change their mind and decided that such people existed? When the State of Israel was reborn in 1948 c.e., the "Palestinians" did not exist yet, the Arabs had still not discovered that "ancient" people. They were too busy with the purpose of annihilating the new Sovereign State and did not intend to create any Palestinian entity, but only to distribute the land among the already existing Arab states. They were defeated. They attempted again to destroy Israel in 1967, and were humiliated in only six days, in which they lost the lands that they had usurped in 1948. In those 19 years of Arab occupation of Jerusalem, Judea, Samaria and the Gaza Strip, neither Jordan nor Egypt suggested to create a "Palestinian" state, since the still non-existing Palestinians would have never claimed their alleged right to have their own state... Paradoxically, during the British Mandate, it was not any Arab group but the Jews that were known as "Palestinians"! What other Arabs declared after the Six-Day War: "There are no differences between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. We are all part of one nation. It is only for political reasons that we carefully underline our Palestinian identity... yes, the existence of a separate Palestinian identity serves only tactical purposes. The founding of a Palestinian state is a new tool in the continuing battle against Israel".
the most important source for muslim Arabs:

"And thereafter We [Allah] said to the Children of Israel: 'Dwell securely in the Promised Land. And when the last warning will come to pass, we will gather you together in a mingled crowd'.".

- Qur'an 17:104 -

Any sincere muslim must recognize the Land they call "Palestine" as the Jewish Homeland, according to the book considered by muslims to be the most sacred word and Allah's ultimate revelation.

Ibn Khaldun, one of the most creditable
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5/10/2010 8:32:41 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/9/2010 8:31:07 PM, banker wrote:
Is genesis 7;20 your best source for islams bieng promised israel.?
No, and it is not a promised land to Islam, but to Arabs.
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5/10/2010 9:13:57 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/10/2010 7:33:13 AM, banker wrote:
"There has never been a land known as Palestine governed by Palestinians.

There is one now.

Palestinians are Arabs, indistinguishable from Jordanians (another recent invention), Syrians, Iraqis, etc.

Not according to the Palestinians, Jordanians, Syrians and Iraqis.

Keep in mind that the Arabs control 99.9 percent of the Middle East lands. Israel represents one-tenth of one percent of the landmass. But that's too much for the Arabs. They want it all. And that is ultimately what the fighting in Israel is about today... No matter how many land concessions the Israelis make, it will never be enough".

Tough. Thats what happens when you steal someones land.
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5/10/2010 3:22:48 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Mizra thanks for informing us on bush creating 911 to make islam look bad..!!
And israel people killing their kids to make islam look bad..!!
Now your informing us that god gave israel to arabs..!!
Interesting iran is not taking your stratagy..!!
Iran should blow themselves up to make infidels look bad..!!
Could it be that iraq people are so convinced on mizra,s conspiracy that they kill each other to make the usa look bad..?

"Not according to the Palestinians, Jordanians, Syrians and Iraqis"
Read again it apears your suffering from reading comperhansion problems..!!
Otherwise you would not say that
the most important source for muslim Arabs:

"And thereafter We [Allah] said to the Children of Israel: 'Dwell securely in the Promised Land. And when the last warning will come to pass, we will gather you together in a mingled crowd'.".

- Qur'an 17:104 -

Any sincere muslim must recognize the Land they call "Palestine" as the Jewish Homeland, according to the book considered by muslims to be the most sacred word and Allah's ultimate revelation.

Ibn Khaldun, one of the most creditable
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5/10/2010 3:29:49 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Banker, it doesn't matter whether God gave Israel to the Jews or not. It still doesn't justify their poor treatment of the Palestinians. What they're doing is obviously imperialistic and we have seen in the past what imperialism can do to indigenous populations. Nowadays it's considered a crime against humanity.
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5/10/2010 7:26:40 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Insert if you like to apear inelactuly balanced your view should reflect the rockets into israels schools ...! Ofcurse your going to get retoliation to save kids..! Which civilization would let kids to become victims of teror..!!
the most important source for muslim Arabs:

"And thereafter We [Allah] said to the Children of Israel: 'Dwell securely in the Promised Land. And when the last warning will come to pass, we will gather you together in a mingled crowd'.".

- Qur'an 17:104 -

Any sincere muslim must recognize the Land they call "Palestine" as the Jewish Homeland, according to the book considered by muslims to be the most sacred word and Allah's ultimate revelation.

Ibn Khaldun, one of the most creditable
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5/10/2010 7:35:59 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/10/2010 7:26:40 PM, banker wrote:
Insert if you like to apear inelactuly balanced your view should reflect the rockets into israels schools ...! Ofcurse your going to get retoliation to save kids..! Which civilization would let kids to become victims of teror..!!

Which civilization practices ethnic cleansing and uses civilians as human shields?
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5/11/2010 4:07:55 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/9/2010 12:40:56 PM, Mirza wrote:
The land of Israel does not belong to the Jews only according to the Torah.

So only according to the Lord God Almighting Creator of all, Jesus Christ, then?
The Cross.. the Cross.
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5/11/2010 10:14:07 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/11/2010 4:07:55 AM, DATCMOTO wrote:
At 5/9/2010 12:40:56 PM, Mirza wrote:
The land of Israel does not belong to the Jews only according to the Torah.

So only according to the Lord God Almighting Creator of all, Jesus Christ, then?

Nope, scripture clearly states that God offered a contract to the Jews, they failed to keep it. The land is not theirs. Israel is a sin. When the messiah comes/returns, then it is theirs.
I am voting for Innomen because of his intelligence, common sense, humility and the fact that Juggle appears to listen to him. Any other Presidential style would have a large sub-section of the site up in arms. If I was President I would destroy the site though elitism, others would let it run riot. Innomen represents a middle way that works, neither draconian nor anarchic and that is the only way things can work. Plus he does it all without ego trips.
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5/17/2010 4:04:11 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/11/2010 10:14:07 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
At 5/11/2010 4:07:55 AM, DATCMOTO wrote:
At 5/9/2010 12:40:56 PM, Mirza wrote:
The land of Israel does not belong to the Jews only according to the Torah.

So only according to the Lord God Almighting Creator of all, Jesus Christ, then?

Nope, scripture clearly states that God offered a contract to the Jews, they failed to keep it. The land is not theirs. Israel is a sin. When the messiah comes/returns, then it is theirs.

Notice, debate fans, his singular FAILURE to produce scriptural evidence for this statement!
The Cross.. the Cross.
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5/17/2010 6:38:30 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/17/2010 4:04:11 AM, DATCMOTO wrote:
At 5/11/2010 10:14:07 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
At 5/11/2010 4:07:55 AM, DATCMOTO wrote:
At 5/9/2010 12:40:56 PM, Mirza wrote:
The land of Israel does not belong to the Jews only according to the Torah.

So only according to the Lord God Almighting Creator of all, Jesus Christ, then?

Nope, scripture clearly states that God offered a contract to the Jews, they failed to keep it. The land is not theirs. Israel is a sin. When the messiah comes/returns, then it is theirs.

Notice, debate fans, his singular FAILURE to produce scriptural evidence for this statement!

Why don't you ask a Jew?
I am voting for Innomen because of his intelligence, common sense, humility and the fact that Juggle appears to listen to him. Any other Presidential style would have a large sub-section of the site up in arms. If I was President I would destroy the site though elitism, others would let it run riot. Innomen represents a middle way that works, neither draconian nor anarchic and that is the only way things can work. Plus he does it all without ego trips.
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5/17/2010 5:08:43 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Cereb a jew did not make the statement you did ..! So please state your source..!!
the most important source for muslim Arabs:

"And thereafter We [Allah] said to the Children of Israel: 'Dwell securely in the Promised Land. And when the last warning will come to pass, we will gather you together in a mingled crowd'.".

- Qur'an 17:104 -

Any sincere muslim must recognize the Land they call "Palestine" as the Jewish Homeland, according to the book considered by muslims to be the most sacred word and Allah's ultimate revelation.

Ibn Khaldun, one of the most creditable
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5/17/2010 6:00:49 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/17/2010 5:18:52 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
Wait, what? I'm pretty sure Jews, at least the zionist ones believe that Israel is their's now, not when their messiah comes.

http://www.jewsnotzionists.org...
"He who does not know how to put his will into things at least puts a meaning into them: that is, he believes there is a will in them already."

Metaphysics:
"The science.. which deals with the fundamental errors of mankind - but as if they were the fundamental truths."
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5/17/2010 7:54:22 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Its geting fun now somehow palastinians became arabs..!! You think this is the most funny thing.? Wait.!!!
Arabs accurding to mirza are granted the land of isreal..!!! Yes mirza now has a cuple of bible quotes stating god gave israel to arabs..!!! (Is it then posible that quoran giving israel to jews is currupted?)
More over we now have a link supositly that jews believe israel belongs to arabs..!!!

Imagin the power of the web..!! If hitler would have the power of the web..! Imagine.!! Hitler would have a site how luxurious the gas chambers are and how privileged jews are to get to enjoy them..!!
the most important source for muslim Arabs:

"And thereafter We [Allah] said to the Children of Israel: 'Dwell securely in the Promised Land. And when the last warning will come to pass, we will gather you together in a mingled crowd'.".

- Qur'an 17:104 -

Any sincere muslim must recognize the Land they call "Palestine" as the Jewish Homeland, according to the book considered by muslims to be the most sacred word and Allah's ultimate revelation.

Ibn Khaldun, one of the most creditable
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5/18/2010 3:44:30 AM
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At 5/17/2010 5:08:43 PM, banker wrote:
Cereb a jew did not make the statement you did ..! So please state your source..!!

My source is the Judaeo-Christian religion.
I am voting for Innomen because of his intelligence, common sense, humility and the fact that Juggle appears to listen to him. Any other Presidential style would have a large sub-section of the site up in arms. If I was President I would destroy the site though elitism, others would let it run riot. Innomen represents a middle way that works, neither draconian nor anarchic and that is the only way things can work. Plus he does it all without ego trips.
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5/18/2010 3:46:09 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/17/2010 5:18:52 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
Wait, what? I'm pretty sure Jews, at least the zionist ones believe that Israel is their's now, not when their messiah comes.

Zionist Jews are either atheists, or believe like most Christians that scripture can be re-written to suit their whims. Seriously ask a real Jew, they do not believe that Israel is theirs, only that it will be.
I am voting for Innomen because of his intelligence, common sense, humility and the fact that Juggle appears to listen to him. Any other Presidential style would have a large sub-section of the site up in arms. If I was President I would destroy the site though elitism, others would let it run riot. Innomen represents a middle way that works, neither draconian nor anarchic and that is the only way things can work. Plus he does it all without ego trips.
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5/18/2010 3:52:18 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/18/2010 3:46:09 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
Zionist Jews are either atheists, or believe like most Christians that scripture can be re-written to suit their whims. Seriously ask a real Jew, they do not believe that Israel is theirs, only that it will be.
Corrupted, unoriginal beliefs, Cereb.
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5/18/2010 5:12:51 AM
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So accurding to mizra who quoted bible giving israel to arabs,its against god to have arabs in isreal now.? We have to wait for that.? Based on the jew cereb spoke to.?
the most important source for muslim Arabs:

"And thereafter We [Allah] said to the Children of Israel: 'Dwell securely in the Promised Land. And when the last warning will come to pass, we will gather you together in a mingled crowd'.".

- Qur'an 17:104 -

Any sincere muslim must recognize the Land they call "Palestine" as the Jewish Homeland, according to the book considered by muslims to be the most sacred word and Allah's ultimate revelation.

Ibn Khaldun, one of the most creditable