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When will Atheists be the majority?

FREEDO
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5/12/2010 2:45:44 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
I've seen many things to point to the fact that it will eventually happen and not too far in the future. But around when exactly.
I was wondering if you had any statistics which point towards when this would most likely occur or if you just have a guess. I would say some time before 2050.
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5/12/2010 2:56:16 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/12/2010 2:45:44 AM, FREEDO wrote:
I've seen many things to point to the fact that it will eventually happen and not too far in the future. But around when exactly.
I was wondering if you had any statistics which point towards when this would most likely occur or if you just have a guess. I would say some time before 2050.

Here in the UK only 6% of the population visit a place of worship at least once a month - and many of them are Muslims, Hindus or Jews rather than Christians.

I know that belief in God in America is a lot more widespread though.
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5/12/2010 3:05:00 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
They are in the majority now. Or at least atheists and agnostics are.

I don't actually know anyone who refers to themselves with a religious label. I work with a hindu and a very good friend of mine is some sort neo-zorastrian/gnostic/Jew/creationst but that is about it.
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5/12/2010 3:24:18 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/12/2010 3:05:00 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
They are in the majority now. Or at least atheists and agnostics are.

I don't actually know anyone who refers to themselves with a religious label. I work with a hindu and a very good friend of mine is some sort neo-zorastrian/gnostic/Jew/creationst but that is about it.

Naw, I'm pretty sure Christianity and Islam are larger than nonreligion.
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5/12/2010 3:37:53 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/12/2010 3:24:18 AM, FREEDO wrote:
At 5/12/2010 3:05:00 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
They are in the majority now. Or at least atheists and agnostics are.

I don't actually know anyone who refers to themselves with a religious label. I work with a hindu and a very good friend of mine is some sort neo-zorastrian/gnostic/Jew/creationst but that is about it.

Naw, I'm pretty sure Christianity and Islam are larger than nonreligion.

I don't think so, they just use faulty data. It can't be helped as most people are only religious for the time it takes to fill out a census form.
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5/12/2010 5:09:46 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/12/2010 3:37:53 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
I don't think so, they just use faulty data. It can't be helped as most people are only religious for the time it takes to fill out a census form.
Not really. Religous people, especially in the U.S. far outweight those who are atheist. I don't think that it will die in the near future at all and I doubt atheists will become the majority. What I have been noticing, especially in my school, is more and more people admitting they're Christians. Especially when the religion is slanderized. I think when our generation is in their mid-thirties, religion demographics may be slightly lower, but still quite similar.
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5/12/2010 5:14:20 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
We cannot know for sure, because one can claim to be a Jew, yet be more agnostic than theist. One can claim to be an atheist, yet believe in some form of deity.

I think atheists are the majority in many Western countries.
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5/12/2010 5:25:31 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/12/2010 5:23:23 AM, Nubway wrote:
Why do you think that?
Because people turn away from religion, specifically the Christians, which are the majority of all the religious groups in the West. you can meet people who call themselves Christians, yet doubt the belief in God, or something similar. They are more agnostics, but agnostic-atheists fits more to them.
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5/12/2010 5:26:24 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/12/2010 5:25:31 AM, Mirza wrote:
*you can meet people who call themselves Christians, yet doubt the belief in God, or something similar. They are more agnostics, but agnostic-atheists fits more to them.
*You
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5/12/2010 5:32:40 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/12/2010 5:25:31 AM, Mirza wrote:
Because people turn away from religion, specifically the Christians, which are the majority of all the religious groups in the West. you can meet people who call themselves Christians, yet doubt the belief in God, or something similar. They are more agnostics, but agnostic-atheists fits more to them.
Do you have any data supporting this or is this pure speculation? Doubt doesn't mean disbelief; I'm a Christian and I have doubted before in my life. I go to high school, and as I'm all aware, kids in the U.S. usually like to 'rebel'. By this I mean explore new ideas, which is sort of rebelling against their parents. I was atheist for 2 years because I wanted to go out on my own, I eventually led myself back to Christianity. Like I said before, I've been noticing a trend of young people standing up for religion a lot, more than I have ever seen before. (I'm a Junior in High School) For example, there are these atheists kids in my English class who started laughing hysterically when we watched a video that showed a girl talking about how her personal relationship with God helped her succeced in life. The majority of the class fought back and asked them why they were laughing. Do people have doubt in a belief defend it so quickly? Like I said, just speculation here, that as our generation grows, most us will remain with our religion.
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5/12/2010 5:36:18 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/12/2010 5:09:46 AM, Nubway wrote:
At 5/12/2010 3:37:53 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
I don't think so, they just use faulty data. It can't be helped as most people are only religious for the time it takes to fill out a census form.
Not really.

Yes really.

Religous people, especially in the U.S. far outweight those who are atheist. I don't think that it will die in the near future at all and I doubt atheists will become the majority. What I have been noticing, especially in my school, is more and more people admitting they're Christians. Especially when the religion is slanderized. I think when our generation is in their mid-thirties, religion demographics may be slightly lower, but still quite similar.

Well in the UK you have to really actively look for Christians.
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5/12/2010 5:38:03 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
Well in the UK you have to really actively look for Christians.
Good point. But the majority of the world is still religious.
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5/12/2010 5:39:51 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/12/2010 5:32:40 AM, Nubway wrote:
Do you have any data supporting this or is this pure speculation? Doubt doesn't mean disbelief; I'm a Christian and I have doubted before in my life. I go to high school, and as I'm all aware, kids in the U.S. usually like to 'rebel'. By this I mean explore new ideas, which is sort of rebelling against their parents. I was atheist for 2 years because I wanted to go out on my own, I eventually led myself back to Christianity. Like I said before, I've been noticing a trend of young people standing up for religion a lot, more than I have ever seen before. (I'm a Junior in High School) For example, there are these atheists kids in my English class who started laughing hysterically when we watched a video that showed a girl talking about how her personal relationship with God helped her succeced in life. The majority of the class fought back and asked them why they were laughing. Do people have doubt in a belief defend it so quickly? Like I said, just speculation here, that as our generation grows, most us will remain with our religion.
I can figure that out by looking at the development. I also know people who are 'Christians' yet doubt God to a certain level. It does not mean that they are atheists now, but as it is all developing this way, I think many people will turn atheists, and there is a good chance that it will be the majority. At least we can say they ca be doubtful, not necessarily entirely atheistic.

http://en.wikipedia.org...

A continent that was once entirely Christian now has fewer and fewer theists in percentage. Besides this, I have not said that all Christians doubt their belief in God, but many do.
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5/12/2010 5:53:10 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/12/2010 5:39:51 AM, Mirza wrote:
I I also know people who are 'Christians' yet doubt God to a certain level. It does not mean that they are atheists now, but as it is all developing this way
I know tons of Christians who doubt God or have doubted God. Something happens and their faith is renewed, which I would say, from being a Christian the majority of my life and having interacted with hundreds of them, happens most of the time.
good chance that it will be the majority.
I say there is a good chance it will remain the minority.

http://en.wikipedia.org...
A continent that was once entirely Christian now has fewer and fewer theists in percentage.
Who knows, this might fluctuate.
http://en.wikipedia.org...
America is still going very, very strong.

I think as we progress as a society, it will fluctuate in big numbers generation after generation. But I do not think it will ever be the majority.
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5/12/2010 5:54:25 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/12/2010 5:53:10 AM, Nubway wrote:
I know tons of Christians who doubt God or have doubted God. Something happens and their faith is renewed, which I would say, from being a Christian the majority of my life and having interacted with hundreds of them, this happens most of the time.
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5/12/2010 6:04:57 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/12/2010 5:53:10 AM, Nubway wrote:
I know tons of Christians who doubt God or have doubted God. Something happens and their faith is renewed, which I would say, from being a Christian the majority of my life and having interacted with hundreds of them, happens most of the time.
History tells us that due to these kind of things, the next generations turn atheists, or at least agnostics. That si why Europe has gone from dominantly Christian to somewhat Christian.

I say there is a good chance it will remain the minority.
This is a question of breed. Religious people usually have many kids, especially Muslims. Muslims are breeding at high rates in Europe, too. If they continue, we may see more theists than atheists. But we will have to see. Right now it is more of guessing using some sort of logic to conclude something for the future.

Who knows, this might fluctuate.
http://en.wikipedia.org...
America is still going very, very strong.
Yes, but North America mainly consists of two big countries, USA and Canada, unlike Europe which consists of numerous countries with all kinds of peoples. I think North America will also be affected by atheism somehow, but maybe not. We will have to wait to conclude anything. It is not proper to conclude anything now.

I think as we progress as a society, it will fluctuate in big numbers generation after generation. But I do not think it will ever be the majority.
It depends on many factors. In fact, my claim about atheists being the majority in many Western countries is somewhat correct. If you look at the link I wrote, you can see that Scandinavian countries, Hungary, France, etc. have more non-theists than theists. They are more agnostics than atheists, because there are still quite a lot who believe in something spiritual, yet deny the existence of God.
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5/12/2010 6:07:25 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/12/2010 6:04:57 AM, Mirza wrote:
History tells us that due to these kind of things, the next generations turn atheists, or at least agnostics. That *si why Europe has gone from dominantly Christian to somewhat Christian.
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5/12/2010 6:10:35 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/12/2010 6:04:57 AM, Mirza wrote:
History tells us that due to these kind of things, the next generations turn atheists, or at least agnostics. That si why Europe has gone from dominantly Christian to somewhat Christian.
True, but history is still being written.
Yes, but North America mainly consists of two big countries, USA and Canada, unlike Europe which consists of numerous countries with all kinds of peoples.
Good point.
I think North America will also be affected by atheism somehow, but maybe not. We will have to wait to conclude anything. It is not proper to conclude anything now.
Agreed, just throwing my thoughts around.

It depends on many factors. In fact, my claim about atheists being the majority in many Western countries is somewhat correct. If you look at the link I wrote, you can see that Scandinavian countries, Hungary, France, etc. have more non-theists than theists. They are more agnostics than atheists, because there are still quite a lot who believe in something spiritual, yet deny the existence of God.
Very true.
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5/12/2010 6:12:30 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/12/2010 6:11:41 AM, Puck wrote:
When they start breeding like Catholics.

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5/12/2010 8:25:54 AM
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People will believe in something even when they think they don't. Global warming is eerily like a religion. "Those who believe in nothing will believe in anything" G.K. Chesterton. I believe we are hardwired to need to believe in something greater than ourselves; it's just that some choose not to have God as their higher power.
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5/12/2010 8:35:46 AM
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At 5/12/2010 8:25:54 AM, innomen wrote:
People will believe in something even when they think they don't. Global warming is eerily like a religion. "Those who believe in nothing will believe in anything" G.K. Chesterton. I believe we are hardwired to need to believe in something greater than ourselves; it's just that some choose not to have God as their higher power.

You mean the particular cult that follows Al-Gore is eerily like a religion. The fact of human-induced global warming, accepted by the majority of climate scientists whose conclusions are endorsed by every single national academy of science in every major industrialised country in the world, is emphatically not a religion.
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5/12/2010 8:39:50 AM
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At 5/12/2010 8:25:54 AM, innomen wrote:
People will believe in something even when they think they don't. Global warming is eerily like a religion. "Those who believe in nothing will believe in anything" G.K. Chesterton. I believe we are hardwired to need to believe in something greater than ourselves; it's just that some choose not to have God as their higher power.

Also, it's very hard to imagine Global Warming as a substitute for religion. The vast majority of religious believers think they're going to some form of eternal paradise after they die, or some other fuzzy belief about reality. The conclusions of Global Warming are miserable at best.
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5/12/2010 8:41:08 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/12/2010 2:45:44 AM, FREEDO wrote:
I've seen many things to point to the fact that it will eventually happen and not too far in the future. But around when exactly.
I was wondering if you had any statistics which point towards when this would most likely occur or if you just have a guess. I would say some time before 2050.

Change 'atheist' to 'non-religious' and perhaps you might be right.
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5/12/2010 8:45:31 AM
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At 5/12/2010 8:39:50 AM, Kinesis wrote:
At 5/12/2010 8:25:54 AM, innomen wrote:
People will believe in something even when they think they don't. Global warming is eerily like a religion. "Those who believe in nothing will believe in anything" G.K. Chesterton. I believe we are hardwired to need to believe in something greater than ourselves; it's just that some choose not to have God as their higher power.

Also, it's very hard to imagine Global Warming as a substitute for religion. The vast majority of religious believers think they're going to some form of eternal paradise after they die, or some other fuzzy belief about reality. The conclusions of Global Warming are miserable at best.

You mean like an apocolypse? Yeah, nothing like religion. I'm sorry if i spoke blasphemy.
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5/12/2010 8:55:39 AM
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At 5/12/2010 6:11:41 AM, Puck wrote:
When they start breeding like [Muslims].
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5/12/2010 8:57:09 AM
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At 5/12/2010 6:11:41 AM, Puck wrote:
When they start breeding like Catholics.

Unlike religious people, most atheists don't consider women to be baby factories.
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5/12/2010 9:10:30 AM
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At 5/12/2010 8:57:09 AM, Freeman wrote:
At 5/12/2010 6:11:41 AM, Puck wrote:
When they start breeding like Catholics.

Unlike religious people, most atheists don't consider women to be baby factories.

Hyperbole