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11/27/2014 12:16:21 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
http://www.rollingstone.com...

So there it is. An examination of rape in the hallowed institutes of higher learning in America. The bastions of atheism, where atheism flourishes in university philosophy departments, and secularism reigns. The place where atheists preach science should be taught and that religion corrupts. and what do we find instead? Why in the sake of pride and reputation, young women barely out of childhood are routinely and brutally raped. And when they report it? Nothing. Sometimes worse than nothing.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...

Its not like this is a new problem by any means, or that it is centered at one university. Rather than behavioral admonition and delusion that I find so common in atheist young men seems to have inflected the entire system. Women are demeaned as the young, unattached men who dominate atheism and routinely advocate the decriminalization of prostitution, see the unfettered sexuality and booze as the acme of 'secular' life. That they often find themselves turning their backs on rape, or high fiving their 'brothers' for a questionable score, ignoring the rights of the victim, in favor of the sexual fluidity seems not a bother.

Yet these stories paint a case of alarm. 1 in 5 young women will be sexually assaulted while at campus. Some of these studies go as high as 1 in 3. Yet the college institutions sweep it under the rug. Rarely, if ever punish the rapists, who, as the rolling stone's statistics make clear, often allow serial rapists to hunt with no fear of punishment.

And atheists are silent. Dead silent. Not a single thread in this forum.

Now, how many atheists participated in threads about the sexual abuse scandals in the Catholic Church? Demanded that the church be disbanded? Demanded that investigations into crimes against humanity be undertaken immediately?

Now that the scandal has swept into their universities? Into their supposedly superior 'learned institutions' the silence is deafening. Those who condemned the Catholic Church and demanded that leaders be held accountable? One thing. But to tar the entire church, to routinely spend years dumping pedophilia out and throwing it in religious people's faces?

Now, not a single voice is raised against rape in academia. No demands to tear these institutions down. Not even an outraged peep. Sickening.

and the exact same people who advocate the separation of higher learning from these issues? WTF were you when the Catholic Church was being tarred? Not silent. Not then.

That hundreds upon hundreds of young women have to be raped ... and you still remain silent? Shameful atheists, shameful - especially after you have taken the mantel of sexual hero come to save the downtrodden ... until they actually needed you to be something more than a nihilist and something more like a theca human being.

I waited. Curious if even ONE of the many critics of the Catholic Church would raise this issue. Not a single one did. Shameful that those so quick to condemn would be so silent now. Tells us a GREAT deal.

http://www.rollingstone.com...
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11/27/2014 9:01:17 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/27/2014 12:16:21 PM, neutral wrote:
http://www.rollingstone.com...

So there it is. An examination of rape in the hallowed institutes of higher learning in America. The bastions of atheism, where atheism flourishes in university philosophy departments, and secularism reigns. The place where atheists preach science should be taught and that religion corrupts. and what do we find instead? Why in the sake of pride and reputation, young women barely out of childhood are routinely and brutally raped. And when they report it? Nothing. Sometimes worse than nothing.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...

Its not like this is a new problem by any means, or that it is centered at one university. Rather than behavioral admonition and delusion that I find so common in atheist young men seems to have inflected the entire system. Women are demeaned as the young, unattached men who dominate atheism and routinely advocate the decriminalization of prostitution, see the unfettered sexuality and booze as the acme of 'secular' life. That they often find themselves turning their backs on rape, or high fiving their 'brothers' for a questionable score, ignoring the rights of the victim, in favor of the sexual fluidity seems not a bother.

Yet these stories paint a case of alarm. 1 in 5 young women will be sexually assaulted while at campus. Some of these studies go as high as 1 in 3. Yet the college institutions sweep it under the rug. Rarely, if ever punish the rapists, who, as the rolling stone's statistics make clear, often allow serial rapists to hunt with no fear of punishment.

And atheists are silent. Dead silent. Not a single thread in this forum.

Now, how many atheists participated in threads about the sexual abuse scandals in the Catholic Church? Demanded that the church be disbanded? Demanded that investigations into crimes against humanity be undertaken immediately?

Now that the scandal has swept into their universities? Into their supposedly superior 'learned institutions' the silence is deafening. Those who condemned the Catholic Church and demanded that leaders be held accountable? One thing. But to tar the entire church, to routinely spend years dumping pedophilia out and throwing it in religious people's faces?

Now, not a single voice is raised against rape in academia. No demands to tear these institutions down. Not even an outraged peep. Sickening.

and the exact same people who advocate the separation of higher learning from these issues? WTF were you when the Catholic Church was being tarred? Not silent. Not then.

That hundreds upon hundreds of young women have to be raped ... and you still remain silent? Shameful atheists, shameful - especially after you have taken the mantel of sexual hero come to save the downtrodden ... until they actually needed you to be something more than a nihilist and something more like a theca human being.

I waited. Curious if even ONE of the many critics of the Catholic Church would raise this issue. Not a single one did. Shameful that those so quick to condemn would be so silent now. Tells us a GREAT deal.

http://www.rollingstone.com...

No where in these articles are the words 'atheist', 'secular', or even 'religion' mentioned. I suppose it never occurred to you, but colleges are not atheistic country clubs, and theists go to college as well.
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11/27/2014 9:34:16 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/27/2014 12:16:21 PM, neutral wrote:
http://www.rollingstone.com...

So there it is. An examination of rape in the hallowed institutes of higher learning in America. The bastions of atheism, where atheism flourishes in university philosophy departments, and secularism reigns. The place where atheists preach science should be taught and that religion corrupts. and what do we find instead? Why in the sake of pride and reputation, young women barely out of childhood are routinely and brutally raped. And when they report it? Nothing. Sometimes worse than nothing.

That article is about the University of Virginia, in which "Religious Studies" is one of it's main programs, and like it's surrounding states of Alabama, Mississippi and Tennessee, three out of four people are Christians. Why would say anything about atheism?
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11/27/2014 10:48:29 PM
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At 11/27/2014 12:16:21 PM, neutral wrote:
http://www.rollingstone.com...

So there it is. An examination of rape in the hallowed institutes of higher learning in America. The bastions of atheism, where atheism flourishes in university philosophy departments, and secularism reigns. The place where atheists preach science should be taught and that religion corrupts. and what do we find instead? Why in the sake of pride and reputation, young women barely out of childhood are routinely and brutally raped. And when they report it? Nothing. Sometimes worse than nothing.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...

Its not like this is a new problem by any means, or that it is centered at one university. Rather than behavioral admonition and delusion that I find so common in atheist young men seems to have inflected the entire system. Women are demeaned as the young, unattached men who dominate atheism and routinely advocate the decriminalization of prostitution, see the unfettered sexuality and booze as the acme of 'secular' life. That they often find themselves turning their backs on rape, or high fiving their 'brothers' for a questionable score, ignoring the rights of the victim, in favor of the sexual fluidity seems not a bother.

Yet these stories paint a case of alarm. 1 in 5 young women will be sexually assaulted while at campus. Some of these studies go as high as 1 in 3. Yet the college institutions sweep it under the rug. Rarely, if ever punish the rapists, who, as the rolling stone's statistics make clear, often allow serial rapists to hunt with no fear of punishment.

And atheists are silent. Dead silent. Not a single thread in this forum.

Have you visited the 'Society' section, or the 'Politics' section?


Now, how many atheists participated in threads about the sexual abuse scandals in the Catholic Church? Demanded that the church be disbanded? Demanded that investigations into crimes against humanity be undertaken immediately?

Now that the scandal has swept into their universities? Into their supposedly superior 'learned institutions' the silence is deafening. Those who condemned the Catholic Church and demanded that leaders be held accountable? One thing. But to tar the entire church, to routinely spend years dumping pedophilia out and throwing it in religious people's faces?

Now, not a single voice is raised against rape in academia. No demands to tear these institutions down. Not even an outraged peep. Sickening.

On. This. Forum. Swing over to the thread about Greek Life. Or the infamous 10 hour walk through NY and the potential for sexual harassment. Or heck, read up on some of 'CharlesLB' 's posts about the commodization of sex, capitalism, etc. It gets brought up, a lot. Though much like in the articles you presented, religion is rarely mentioned.

and the exact same people who advocate the separation of higher learning from these issues? WTF were you when the Catholic Church was being tarred? Not silent. Not then.

That hundreds upon hundreds of young women have to be raped ... and you still remain silent? Shameful atheists, shameful - especially after you have taken the mantel of sexual hero come to save the downtrodden ... until they actually needed you to be something more than a nihilist and something more like a theca human being.

I waited. Curious if even ONE of the many critics of the Catholic Church would raise this issue. Not a single one did. Shameful that those so quick to condemn would be so silent now. Tells us a GREAT deal.

http://www.rollingstone.com...
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11/27/2014 11:16:04 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/27/2014 12:16:21 PM, neutral wrote:
http://www.rollingstone.com...

So there it is. An examination of rape in the hallowed institutes of higher learning in America. The bastions of atheism, where atheism flourishes in university philosophy departments, and secularism reigns. The place where atheists preach science should be taught and that religion corrupts. and what do we find instead? Why in the sake of pride and reputation, young women barely out of childhood are routinely and brutally raped. And when they report it? Nothing. Sometimes worse than nothing.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...

Its not like this is a new problem by any means, or that it is centered at one university. Rather than behavioral admonition and delusion that I find so common in atheist young men seems to have inflected the entire system. Women are demeaned as the young, unattached men who dominate atheism and routinely advocate the decriminalization of prostitution, see the unfettered sexuality and booze as the acme of 'secular' life. That they often find themselves turning their backs on rape, or high fiving their 'brothers' for a questionable score, ignoring the rights of the victim, in favor of the sexual fluidity seems not a bother.

Yet these stories paint a case of alarm. 1 in 5 young women will be sexually assaulted while at campus. Some of these studies go as high as 1 in 3. Yet the college institutions sweep it under the rug. Rarely, if ever punish the rapists, who, as the rolling stone's statistics make clear, often allow serial rapists to hunt with no fear of punishment.

And atheists are silent. Dead silent. Not a single thread in this forum.

Now, how many atheists participated in threads about the sexual abuse scandals in the Catholic Church? Demanded that the church be disbanded? Demanded that investigations into crimes against humanity be undertaken immediately?

Now that the scandal has swept into their universities? Into their supposedly superior 'learned institutions' the silence is deafening. Those who condemned the Catholic Church and demanded that leaders be held accountable? One thing. But to tar the entire church, to routinely spend years dumping pedophilia out and throwing it in religious people's faces?

Now, not a single voice is raised against rape in academia. No demands to tear these institutions down. Not even an outraged peep. Sickening.

and the exact same people who advocate the separation of higher learning from these issues? WTF were you when the Catholic Church was being tarred? Not silent. Not then.

That hundreds upon hundreds of young women have to be raped ... and you still remain silent? Shameful atheists, shameful - especially after you have taken the mantel of sexual hero come to save the downtrodden ... until they actually needed you to be something more than a nihilist and something more like a theca human being.

I waited. Curious if even ONE of the many critics of the Catholic Church would raise this issue. Not a single one did. Shameful that those so quick to condemn would be so silent now. Tells us a GREAT deal.

http://www.rollingstone.com...

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11/27/2014 11:47:32 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/27/2014 12:16:21 PM, neutral wrote:
http://www.rollingstone.com...

So there it is. An examination of rape in the hallowed institutes of higher learning in America. The bastions of atheism, where atheism flourishes in university philosophy departments, and secularism reigns. The place where atheists preach science should be taught and that religion corrupts. and what do we find instead? Why in the sake of pride and reputation, young women barely out of childhood are routinely and brutally raped. And when they report it? Nothing. Sometimes worse than nothing.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...

Its not like this is a new problem by any means, or that it is centered at one university. Rather than behavioral admonition and delusion that I find so common in atheist young men seems to have inflected the entire system. Women are demeaned as the young, unattached men who dominate atheism and routinely advocate the decriminalization of prostitution, see the unfettered sexuality and booze as the acme of 'secular' life. That they often find themselves turning their backs on rape, or high fiving their 'brothers' for a questionable score, ignoring the rights of the victim, in favor of the sexual fluidity seems not a bother.

Yet these stories paint a case of alarm. 1 in 5 young women will be sexually assaulted while at campus. Some of these studies go as high as 1 in 3. Yet the college institutions sweep it under the rug. Rarely, if ever punish the rapists, who, as the rolling stone's statistics make clear, often allow serial rapists to hunt with no fear of punishment.

And atheists are silent. Dead silent. Not a single thread in this forum.

Now, how many atheists participated in threads about the sexual abuse scandals in the Catholic Church? Demanded that the church be disbanded? Demanded that investigations into crimes against humanity be undertaken immediately?

Now that the scandal has swept into their universities? Into their supposedly superior 'learned institutions' the silence is deafening. Those who condemned the Catholic Church and demanded that leaders be held accountable? One thing. But to tar the entire church, to routinely spend years dumping pedophilia out and throwing it in religious people's faces?

Now, not a single voice is raised against rape in academia. No demands to tear these institutions down. Not even an outraged peep. Sickening.

and the exact same people who advocate the separation of higher learning from these issues? WTF were you when the Catholic Church was being tarred? Not silent. Not then.

That hundreds upon hundreds of young women have to be raped ... and you still remain silent? Shameful atheists, shameful - especially after you have taken the mantel of sexual hero come to save the downtrodden ... until they actually needed you to be something more than a nihilist and something more like a theca human being.

I waited. Curious if even ONE of the many critics of the Catholic Church would raise this issue. Not a single one did. Shameful that those so quick to condemn would be so silent now. Tells us a GREAT deal.

http://www.rollingstone.com...

It makes no difference who rapes who. God created the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, which is this visible world. Rape is just another part of this world that is used to confuse His people. Remember, God is the Creator of EVERYTHING.
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11/28/2014 12:35:30 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/27/2014 10:48:29 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 11/27/2014 12:16:21 PM, neutral wrote:
http://www.rollingstone.com...

So there it is. An examination of rape in the hallowed institutes of higher learning in America. The bastions of atheism, where atheism flourishes in university philosophy departments, and secularism reigns. The place where atheists preach science should be taught and that religion corrupts. and what do we find instead? Why in the sake of pride and reputation, young women barely out of childhood are routinely and brutally raped. And when they report it? Nothing. Sometimes worse than nothing.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...

Its not like this is a new problem by any means, or that it is centered at one university. Rather than behavioral admonition and delusion that I find so common in atheist young men seems to have inflected the entire system. Women are demeaned as the young, unattached men who dominate atheism and routinely advocate the decriminalization of prostitution, see the unfettered sexuality and booze as the acme of 'secular' life. That they often find themselves turning their backs on rape, or high fiving their 'brothers' for a questionable score, ignoring the rights of the victim, in favor of the sexual fluidity seems not a bother.

Yet these stories paint a case of alarm. 1 in 5 young women will be sexually assaulted while at campus. Some of these studies go as high as 1 in 3. Yet the college institutions sweep it under the rug. Rarely, if ever punish the rapists, who, as the rolling stone's statistics make clear, often allow serial rapists to hunt with no fear of punishment.

And atheists are silent. Dead silent. Not a single thread in this forum.

Have you visited the 'Society' section, or the 'Politics' section?


Now, how many atheists participated in threads about the sexual abuse scandals in the Catholic Church? Demanded that the church be disbanded? Demanded that investigations into crimes against humanity be undertaken immediately?

Now that the scandal has swept into their universities? Into their supposedly superior 'learned institutions' the silence is deafening. Those who condemned the Catholic Church and demanded that leaders be held accountable? One thing. But to tar the entire church, to routinely spend years dumping pedophilia out and throwing it in religious people's faces?

Now, not a single voice is raised against rape in academia. No demands to tear these institutions down. Not even an outraged peep. Sickening.

On. This. Forum. Swing over to the thread about Greek Life. Or the infamous 10 hour walk through NY and the potential for sexual harassment. Or heck, read up on some of 'CharlesLB' 's posts about the commodization of sex, capitalism, etc. It gets brought up, a lot. Though much like in the articles you presented, religion is rarely mentioned.

and the exact same people who advocate the separation of higher learning from these issues? WTF were you when the Catholic Church was being tarred? Not silent. Not then.

That hundreds upon hundreds of young women have to be raped ... and you still remain silent? Shameful atheists, shameful - especially after you have taken the mantel of sexual hero come to save the downtrodden ... until they actually needed you to be something more than a nihilist and something more like a theca human being.

I waited. Curious if even ONE of the many critics of the Catholic Church would raise this issue. Not a single one did. Shameful that those so quick to condemn would be so silent now. Tells us a GREAT deal.

http://www.rollingstone.com...

+1

Yet another thread where someone is trying to cram his square peg hatred of atheists into a round hole.
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11/28/2014 12:37:29 AM
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At 11/28/2014 12:35:30 AM, Burzmali wrote:
At 11/27/2014 10:48:29 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 11/27/2014 12:16:21 PM, neutral wrote:
http://www.rollingstone.com...

So there it is. An examination of rape in the hallowed institutes of higher learning in America. The bastions of atheism, where atheism flourishes in university philosophy departments, and secularism reigns. The place where atheists preach science should be taught and that religion corrupts. and what do we find instead? Why in the sake of pride and reputation, young women barely out of childhood are routinely and brutally raped. And when they report it? Nothing. Sometimes worse than nothing.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...

Its not like this is a new problem by any means, or that it is centered at one university. Rather than behavioral admonition and delusion that I find so common in atheist young men seems to have inflected the entire system. Women are demeaned as the young, unattached men who dominate atheism and routinely advocate the decriminalization of prostitution, see the unfettered sexuality and booze as the acme of 'secular' life. That they often find themselves turning their backs on rape, or high fiving their 'brothers' for a questionable score, ignoring the rights of the victim, in favor of the sexual fluidity seems not a bother.

Yet these stories paint a case of alarm. 1 in 5 young women will be sexually assaulted while at campus. Some of these studies go as high as 1 in 3. Yet the college institutions sweep it under the rug. Rarely, if ever punish the rapists, who, as the rolling stone's statistics make clear, often allow serial rapists to hunt with no fear of punishment.

And atheists are silent. Dead silent. Not a single thread in this forum.

Have you visited the 'Society' section, or the 'Politics' section?


Now, how many atheists participated in threads about the sexual abuse scandals in the Catholic Church? Demanded that the church be disbanded? Demanded that investigations into crimes against humanity be undertaken immediately?

Now that the scandal has swept into their universities? Into their supposedly superior 'learned institutions' the silence is deafening. Those who condemned the Catholic Church and demanded that leaders be held accountable? One thing. But to tar the entire church, to routinely spend years dumping pedophilia out and throwing it in religious people's faces?

Now, not a single voice is raised against rape in academia. No demands to tear these institutions down. Not even an outraged peep. Sickening.

On. This. Forum. Swing over to the thread about Greek Life. Or the infamous 10 hour walk through NY and the potential for sexual harassment. Or heck, read up on some of 'CharlesLB' 's posts about the commodization of sex, capitalism, etc. It gets brought up, a lot. Though much like in the articles you presented, religion is rarely mentioned.

and the exact same people who advocate the separation of higher learning from these issues? WTF were you when the Catholic Church was being tarred? Not silent. Not then.

That hundreds upon hundreds of young women have to be raped ... and you still remain silent? Shameful atheists, shameful - especially after you have taken the mantel of sexual hero come to save the downtrodden ... until they actually needed you to be something more than a nihilist and something more like a theca human being.

I waited. Curious if even ONE of the many critics of the Catholic Church would raise this issue. Not a single one did. Shameful that those so quick to condemn would be so silent now. Tells us a GREAT deal.

http://www.rollingstone.com...

+1

Yet another thread where someone is trying to cram his square peg hatred of atheists into a round hole.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, careful about pegs, pounding, and holes. LifeMeansGodisGood might be watching. Hate to get him all hot and bothered. XD
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11/28/2014 12:49:05 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/27/2014 9:34:16 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 11/27/2014 12:16:21 PM, neutral wrote:
http://www.rollingstone.com...

So there it is. An examination of rape in the hallowed institutes of higher learning in America. The bastions of atheism, where atheism flourishes in university philosophy departments, and secularism reigns. The place where atheists preach science should be taught and that religion corrupts. and what do we find instead? Why in the sake of pride and reputation, young women barely out of childhood are routinely and brutally raped. And when they report it? Nothing. Sometimes worse than nothing.

That article is about the University of Virginia, in which "Religious Studies" is one of it's main programs, and like it's surrounding states of Alabama, Mississippi and Tennessee, three out of four people are Christians. Why would say anything about atheism?

So funny (him leaping to conclusions, not the sexual abuse).
Egg on his face yet again. A few more and he could make an omelette. Lol.
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11/28/2014 1:54:11 AM
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Another in a long line of distortions aimed at perpetuating the OP's campaign of hate.

Obviously, this has nothing to do with atheism but he doesn't seem to care about things like, details, facts and reality. It's all about slant, biased and fraudulent accusations. Rapists, yes. And they should be punished in a manner which discourages rape on every campus and realm around the globe. But not an atheist crime, just a crime. Unlike Christianity, we have no history of justified rape in the name of any being, real or otherwise.
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11/28/2014 3:32:05 AM
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At 11/27/2014 9:34:16 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 11/27/2014 12:16:21 PM, neutral wrote:
http://www.rollingstone.com...

So there it is. An examination of rape in the hallowed institutes of higher learning in America. The bastions of atheism, where atheism flourishes in university philosophy departments, and secularism reigns. The place where atheists preach science should be taught and that religion corrupts. and what do we find instead? Why in the sake of pride and reputation, young women barely out of childhood are routinely and brutally raped. And when they report it? Nothing. Sometimes worse than nothing.

That article is about the University of Virginia, in which "Religious Studies" is one of it's main programs, and like it's surrounding states of Alabama, Mississippi and Tennessee, three out of four people are Christians. Why would say anything about atheism?

And there it is - the duplicity and double standards.

How many times have you attacked the Catholic Church? Yet in Universities (plural) atheists are so desperate to smear that they will blame the religious studies program rather than the secular administration.

Was it the religious studies program that administered the sexual assault cases? Of course not.

And where is the moral outrage at tolerance of rape? No where. Exactly as predicted.

It seems all atheists are capable of is emotive finger pointing and then sweeping their own faults under the rug.

Shame on ou atheists for excusing rape.
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11/28/2014 3:33:04 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/27/2014 11:16:04 PM, jodybirdy wrote:
At 11/27/2014 12:16:21 PM, neutral wrote:
http://www.rollingstone.com...

So there it is. An examination of rape in the hallowed institutes of higher learning in America. The bastions of atheism, where atheism flourishes in university philosophy departments, and secularism reigns. The place where atheists preach science should be taught and that religion corrupts. and what do we find instead? Why in the sake of pride and reputation, young women barely out of childhood are routinely and brutally raped. And when they report it? Nothing. Sometimes worse than nothing.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...

Its not like this is a new problem by any means, or that it is centered at one university. Rather than behavioral admonition and delusion that I find so common in atheist young men seems to have inflected the entire system. Women are demeaned as the young, unattached men who dominate atheism and routinely advocate the decriminalization of prostitution, see the unfettered sexuality and booze as the acme of 'secular' life. That they often find themselves turning their backs on rape, or high fiving their 'brothers' for a questionable score, ignoring the rights of the victim, in favor of the sexual fluidity seems not a bother.

Yet these stories paint a case of alarm. 1 in 5 young women will be sexually assaulted while at campus. Some of these studies go as high as 1 in 3. Yet the college institutions sweep it under the rug. Rarely, if ever punish the rapists, who, as the rolling stone's statistics make clear, often allow serial rapists to hunt with no fear of punishment.

And atheists are silent. Dead silent. Not a single thread in this forum.

Now, how many atheists participated in threads about the sexual abuse scandals in the Catholic Church? Demanded that the church be disbanded? Demanded that investigations into crimes against humanity be undertaken immediately?

Now that the scandal has swept into their universities? Into their supposedly superior 'learned institutions' the silence is deafening. Those who condemned the Catholic Church and demanded that leaders be held accountable? One thing. But to tar the entire church, to routinely spend years dumping pedophilia out and throwing it in religious people's faces?

Now, not a single voice is raised against rape in academia. No demands to tear these institutions down. Not even an outraged peep. Sickening.

and the exact same people who advocate the separation of higher learning from these issues? WTF were you when the Catholic Church was being tarred? Not silent. Not then.

That hundreds upon hundreds of young women have to be raped ... and you still remain silent? Shameful atheists, shameful - especially after you have taken the mantel of sexual hero come to save the downtrodden ... until they actually needed you to be something more than a nihilist and something more like a theca human being.

I waited. Curious if even ONE of the many critics of the Catholic Church would raise this issue. Not a single one did. Shameful that those so quick to condemn would be so silent now. Tells us a GREAT deal.

http://www.rollingstone.com...

No one is buying it Turkey Lurkey.

I'm glad you think rape is fine then.
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11/28/2014 3:38:37 AM
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At 11/28/2014 1:54:11 AM, Beastt wrote:
Another in a long line of distortions aimed at perpetuating the OP's campaign of hate.

Obviously, this has nothing to do with atheism but he doesn't seem to care about things like, details, facts and reality. It's all about slant, biased and fraudulent accusations. Rapists, yes. And they should be punished in a manner which discourages rape on every campus and realm around the globe. But not an atheist crime, just a crime. Unlike Christianity, we have no history of justified rape in the name of any being, real or otherwise.

This is the troll that routinely call religious people genocidal murderers and rapists. Slavers who abuse women. Yet it pops up in Universities ... and all he can think to do is the normal troll routine. Attack the character of his critics, and make sure his religion is not blamed like he blames every other religion.

Does he condemn the rape? Of course not! As long as he can excuse atheists its good.

Yet the fact remains, he is the perfect demonstration of the hypocrisy in atheism. Loud mouthed condemnation against any slight in religion, taking hysterical steps to castigate and throw rape around, while preaching science ... yet when it happens in universities? Those hallowed grounds of science and learning? Where is the condemnation?

No where.

Wait, its reserved for those who have long been pointing out that rape and sexual crimes are not specific to the Catholic Church, that the church should be condemned for its handling of the sex assault cases, but that we must not take our eye off the far LARGER problem in society.

And when the evidence emerges to support that position? The trolls of atheism just want to make sure that their position is not infected by their own standards.

The failure to condemn rape is sickening, especially from this troll who has been so quick to throw this very subject in everyone else's face.

Enjoy the crow.
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11/28/2014 3:42:59 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/28/2014 1:18:06 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
Who's eating crow now, eh neutral?

All the atheists who refuse to condemn rape ...

... especially after the numerous times you've thrown it in religious people's faces.

That atheists have reacted with outrage?

Well, now you know what you spent years doing to Catholics ... and then tangentially to any religious person who was similarly infected by this problem.

Now its in YOUR areas? But you aren't responsible?

Well, overtime an atheist mentions the Catholic scandal - this, and your utter refusal to follow your standards of judgement - will be thrown back in your face.

You think because the trolls of atheism make some gay jokes (its good that you guys hate gay people too - after throwing that in our faces for so long) that the reality of the situation changes?

Not one of you condemns rape on a massive scale, and one of you even tried to blame the religious studies department rather than the school administration.

You prove my point over and over, but the lot of you atheists appears to arrogant to realize it.
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11/28/2014 3:46:11 AM
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At 11/28/2014 3:32:05 AM, neutral wrote:
At 11/27/2014 9:34:16 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 11/27/2014 12:16:21 PM, neutral wrote:
http://www.rollingstone.com...

So there it is. An examination of rape in the hallowed institutes of higher learning in America. The bastions of atheism, where atheism flourishes in university philosophy departments, and secularism reigns. The place where atheists preach science should be taught and that religion corrupts. and what do we find instead? Why in the sake of pride and reputation, young women barely out of childhood are routinely and brutally raped. And when they report it? Nothing. Sometimes worse than nothing.

We also teach Pablo Picasso is a cubist, and Dali was a surrealist, sodium bicarbonate reacts with acid, and white on black backgrounds need to have the font size increased by about 10% to be easily read. Are all these things pro-rape, too?

That article is about the University of Virginia, in which "Religious Studies" is one of it's main programs, and like it's surrounding states of Alabama, Mississippi and Tennessee, three out of four people are Christians. Why would say anything about atheism?

And there it is - the duplicity and double standards.

And the glaring hole in your argument, too.

How many times have you attacked the Catholic Church? Yet in Universities (plural) atheists are so desperate to smear that they will blame the religious studies program rather than the secular administration.

Can you find any mention of religion in either of the articles you quote? At all?

Was it the religious studies program that administered the sexual assault cases?

Of course not.

Were it participants in the religious studies program that administered the sexual assault cases? Was it the 25% of those in the area that don't ID themselves as Christians?

Its okay if you don't know, just say 'I don't know'. I don't know if they are or not, I am curious as to what special insight you have, and why you would bring a Rape excuse/assault question up in a Religious forum, as opposed to 'Society' or 'Politics', where its brought up frequently.


And where is the moral outrage at tolerance of rape? No where. Exactly as predicted.

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It seems all atheists are capable of is emotive finger pointing and then sweeping their own faults under the rug.

Or bringing things like that up in another forum. Shoe-horning atheists in on a non-religious related crime is a bit underhanded, don't you think?

Shame on ou atheists for excusing rape.

Just because you don't go looking for it doesn't mean its not present.
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11/28/2014 3:54:04 AM
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At 11/27/2014 11:16:04 PM, jodybirdy wrote:
At 11/27/2014 12:16:21 PM, neutral wrote:
http://www.rollingstone.com...

So there it is. An examination of rape in the hallowed institutes of higher learning in America. The bastions of atheism, where atheism flourishes in university philosophy departments, and secularism reigns. The place where atheists preach science should be taught and that religion corrupts. and what do we find instead? Why in the sake of pride and reputation, young women barely out of childhood are routinely and brutally raped. And when they report it? Nothing. Sometimes worse than nothing.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...

Its not like this is a new problem by any means, or that it is centered at one university. Rather than behavioral admonition and delusion that I find so common in atheist young men seems to have inflected the entire system. Women are demeaned as the young, unattached men who dominate atheism and routinely advocate the decriminalization of prostitution, see the unfettered sexuality and booze as the acme of 'secular' life. That they often find themselves turning their backs on rape, or high fiving their 'brothers' for a questionable score, ignoring the rights of the victim, in favor of the sexual fluidity seems not a bother.

Yet these stories paint a case of alarm. 1 in 5 young women will be sexually assaulted while at campus. Some of these studies go as high as 1 in 3. Yet the college institutions sweep it under the rug. Rarely, if ever punish the rapists, who, as the rolling stone's statistics make clear, often allow serial rapists to hunt with no fear of punishment.

And atheists are silent. Dead silent. Not a single thread in this forum.

Now, how many atheists participated in threads about the sexual abuse scandals in the Catholic Church? Demanded that the church be disbanded? Demanded that investigations into crimes against humanity be undertaken immediately?

Now that the scandal has swept into their universities? Into their supposedly superior 'learned institutions' the silence is deafening. Those who condemned the Catholic Church and demanded that leaders be held accountable? One thing. But to tar the entire church, to routinely spend years dumping pedophilia out and throwing it in religious people's faces?

Now, not a single voice is raised against rape in academia. No demands to tear these institutions down. Not even an outraged peep. Sickening.

and the exact same people who advocate the separation of higher learning from these issues? WTF were you when the Catholic Church was being tarred? Not silent. Not then.

That hundreds upon hundreds of young women have to be raped ... and you still remain silent? Shameful atheists, shameful - especially after you have taken the mantel of sexual hero come to save the downtrodden ... until they actually needed you to be something more than a nihilist and something more like a theca human being.

I waited. Curious if even ONE of the many critics of the Catholic Church would raise this issue. Not a single one did. Shameful that those so quick to condemn would be so silent now. Tells us a GREAT deal.

http://www.rollingstone.com...

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11/28/2014 4:04:51 AM
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At 11/28/2014 3:46:11 AM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 11/28/2014 3:32:05 AM, neutral wrote:
At 11/27/2014 9:34:16 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 11/27/2014 12:16:21 PM, neutral wrote:
http://www.rollingstone.com...

So there it is. An examination of rape in the hallowed institutes of higher learning in America. The bastions of atheism, where atheism flourishes in university philosophy departments, and secularism reigns. The place where atheists preach science should be taught and that religion corrupts. and what do we find instead? Why in the sake of pride and reputation, young women barely out of childhood are routinely and brutally raped. And when they report it? Nothing. Sometimes worse than nothing.

We also teach Pablo Picasso is a cubist, and Dali was a surrealist, sodium bicarbonate reacts with acid, and white on black backgrounds need to have the font size increased by about 10% to be easily read. Are all these things pro-rape, too?


The Catholic Church teaches thing like Love, Forgiveness, Piety, Charity, Altruism, History, provides medical and other charitable aims, free counseling, etc. Does that support rape?

Yet the atheists on this forum routinely throw rape in our face, accuse of being pedophiles and their excusers (while ignoring Dawkins comments on the subject), and when several secular organization attempted to force the UN in opening a crimes against humanity trial of the Catholic Church ... atheists were gleeful.

Our reminders of the broader context of the church, that this actions reflected far less than 1% of the church fell on deaf ears.

1 in 5 to 1 in 3 women are being raped in college. And just like the Catholic Church, 'reputation' was deemed more important than the victims. Whereas the Catholic Church moved the priests, the Universities just sent them right back out to rape again in the same place, and then graduated them where, as the story demonstrates, their actions resulted in even more rapes and in, at least one case, murder.

One would think that those who were so quick and loud to condemn the church would be quick to condemn such a horrific practice - instead we get excuses. No demands that administrators who covered it up be removed and or punished. Nothing.

Not that its all atheists mind you, but I will tell you, as the OP article mentions, that there are several atheists (and theists for that matter) whose attitude toward women have helped to perpetuate this. The young men desiring of fraternity life who would rather cover up a gang rape s they can feed their own desires of sexual conquest is sickening and all too common (its not just universities). Yet the ones that scream about the Catholic Church's faults are the ones who most prominently display this attitude toward women.

You can't have it both ways.

I love my wife dearly. We raise our daughter to be a respected HUMAN BEING. And the last thing I would want her exposed to is the trolls of atheism who would view her as nothing more than a piece of meat to feed their sexual desires. There is enough risk out there, but when she heads off to college, she will be reading this article. She will be warned and educated that men who seek to ply her with alcohol are wolves not men of honor - regardless of what else they teach.

This is the reality of the lifestyle that far too many atheists 'preach'.
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11/28/2014 4:23:44 AM
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We also teach Pablo Picasso is a cubist, and Dali was a surrealist, sodium bicarbonate reacts with acid, and white on black backgrounds need to have the font size increased by about 10% to be easily read. Are all these things pro-rape, too?


The Catholic Church teaches thing like Love, Forgiveness, Piety, Charity, Altruism, History, provides medical and other charitable aims, free counseling, etc. Does that support rape?

Great, now that we have concluded that our respective institutions don't support rape...


Yet the atheists on this forum routinely throw rape in our face, accuse of being pedophiles and their excusers (while ignoring Dawkins comments on the subject), and when several secular organization attempted to force the UN in opening a crimes against humanity trial of the Catholic Church ... atheists were gleeful.

Yeah, that usually happens when an organization that is allowed special exemptions, abuses its authority in some cases, conceals crimes. And then claims moral superiority.


Our reminders of the broader context of the church, that this actions reflected far less than 1% of the church fell on deaf ears.

Takes a thousand rights to fix a wrong, at least as my pa used to say.

1 in 5 to 1 in 3 women are being raped in college. And just like the Catholic Church, 'reputation' was deemed more important than the victims. Whereas the Catholic Church moved the priests, the Universities just sent them right back out to rape again in the same place, and then graduated them where, as the story demonstrates, their actions resulted in even more rapes and in, at least one case, murder.

One would think that those who were so quick and loud to condemn the church would be quick to condemn such a horrific practice - instead we get excuses. No demands that administrators who covered it up be removed and or punished. Nothing.

In a religious forum? Why would that outrage be placed here?


Not that its all atheists mind you, but I will tell you, as the OP article mentions, that there are several atheists (and theists for that matter) whose attitude toward women have helped to perpetuate this. The young men desiring of fraternity life who would rather cover up a gang rape s they can feed their own desires of sexual conquest is sickening and all too common (its not just universities). Yet the ones that scream about the Catholic Church's faults are the ones who most prominently
display this attitude toward women.

You can't have it both ways.

I love my wife dearly. We raise our daughter to be a respected HUMAN BEING. And the last thing I would want her exposed to is the trolls of atheism who would view her as nothing more than a piece of meat to feed their sexual desires. There is enough risk out there, but when she heads off to college, she will be reading this article. She will be warned and educated that men who seek to ply her with alcohol are wolves not men of honor - regardless of what else they teach.

This is the reality of the lifestyle that far too many atheists 'preach'.

And just as many counter! Do you honestly think athiestic women espouse the views you project of atheists? That would make zero sense! Do you sincerely think there aren't atheistic men who find that variety of action deplorable?

Why would they run to a religious forum to decry rape, when there is a society forum better suited for it?

Your gripe was that athiests held their tongue, that athiests through silence tacitly approved of the situation.

I pointed out recent discussions to the contrary. I am sorry your research on the matter didn't revealed the level of outrage you thought there wasn't.
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11/28/2014 4:36:22 AM
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At 11/28/2014 4:23:44 AM, FaustianJustice wrote:

We also teach Pablo Picasso is a cubist, and Dali was a surrealist, sodium bicarbonate reacts with acid, and white on black backgrounds need to have the font size increased by about 10% to be easily read. Are all these things pro-rape, too?


The Catholic Church teaches thing like Love, Forgiveness, Piety, Charity, Altruism, History, provides medical and other charitable aims, free counseling, etc. Does that support rape?

Great, now that we have concluded that our respective institutions don't support rape...


Have we? Is that supposed to make up for ten years of smearing and throwing rape in our faces? Who, when the same standards are applied to them dodge and hurl insults? How are atheists responding to a single counter thread? Much less being followed around and accused of supporting gang rape?

Is that supposed to make up for at least one poster trying to blame the religious department at UVA for WIDESPREAD campus rape?

And there is no respective institutions - which is yet ANOTHER problem here - Universities are attended by religious people. Knowledge is not the sole repository of atheism, just as human failing are not solely found in religious people.

What is at issue is the long standing arrogance that 'secularism' would have prevented the sexual scandal in the Catholic Church. As I have long said, its is precisely that attitude that leads to risk.

When it comes to believing atheism magically would have cured the church? Well, look around now.

When it comes to thinking that atheism will magically cure war? Well, look around now.

That is the point, and as you see throughout this thread, that pretense that these issues are somehow prevented or otherwise immune because of atheism is ludicrous. The constant need to blame religion is poison to actual problem solving.

Again, there is the question staring every atheist in the face: why are the lot of you, apparently so concerned about sexual violence that you demand an entire religion be torn down to confront it, silent on the issue now?

Why such glee at the human rights accusations leveled at the Catholic Church? Now utter silence until called on it?

"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother"s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, "Let me take the speck out of your eye," when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother"s eye. (Matthew 7:3-5)

If atheists are actually concerned about rape and eliminating sexual violence, then they are in need of challenging some of their own view points and attitudes when what they condemn starts emerging so close to home. Catholics had to do it - why not atheists?
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11/28/2014 4:46:41 AM
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At 11/28/2014 4:23:44 AM, FaustianJustice wrote:

And just as many counter! Do you honestly think athiestic women espouse the views you project of atheists?

The hook-up queens mentioned in the article? The ones that told the victim of gang rape to 'just have fun with it'?

Yeah, I'm guessing they were not devote Catholics, Mormons, or Pentecostals, or Muslims. Or a devout followers of any religion, including Buddhism which strongly condemns that kind of promiscuity as well.

So yes, you really do have to abandon religion to hold these views.
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11/28/2014 4:53:06 AM
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At 11/28/2014 4:36:22 AM, neutral wrote:
At 11/28/2014 4:23:44 AM, FaustianJustice wrote:

We also teach Pablo Picasso is a cubist, and Dali was a surrealist, sodium bicarbonate reacts with acid, and white on black backgrounds need to have the font size increased by about 10% to be easily read. Are all these things pro-rape, too?


The Catholic Church teaches thing like Love, Forgiveness, Piety, Charity, Altruism, History, provides medical and other charitable aims, free counseling, etc. Does that support rape?

Great, now that we have concluded that our respective institutions don't support rape...


Have we? Is that supposed to make up for ten years of smearing and throwing rape in our faces? Who, when the same standards are applied to them dodge and hurl insults? How are atheists responding to a single counter thread? Much less being followed around and accused of supporting gang rape?

Is that supposed to make up for at least one poster trying to blame the religious department at UVA for WIDESPREAD campus rape?

That is a distortion and you know it.

And there is no respective institutions - which is yet ANOTHER problem here - Universities are attended by religious people. Knowledge is not the sole repository of atheism, just as human failing are not solely found in religious people.

Unless you go by statistics. % of religious in prison outstrips athiests in prison by leaps and bounds. Just food for thought. Statistically speaking, the sexual assaults would had to have been committed by a representative portion of the populace, which if you have evidence to the contrary, would have been one in four committed by an athiest. Again, just food for thought.

What is at issue is the long standing arrogance that 'secularism' would have prevented the sexual scandal in the Catholic Church. As I have long said, its is precisely that attitude that leads to risk.


When it comes to believing atheism magically would have cured the church? Well, look around now.

Again, check stats. About the only consolation I can offer is that Athiests are 'catching up' in terms of crime compared to those committed by those who profess to be part of a religion.

When it comes to thinking that atheism will magically cure war? Well, look around now.

Athiests aren't running around in the mid east declaring a calciphate. Just sayin'. Its hard to tell exactly what athiesm as a main stream influence might do.

That is the point, and as you see throughout this thread, that pretense that these issues are somehow prevented or otherwise immune because of atheism is ludicrous. The constant need to blame religion is poison to actual problem solving.


Again, there is the question staring every atheist in the face: why are the lot of you, apparently so concerned about sexual violence that you demand an entire religion be torn down to confront it, silent on the issue now?

Because the sexual violence is but one piece in an intellecutally bizarre puzzle.

Why such glee at the human rights accusations leveled at the Catholic Church? Now utter silence until called on it?


"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother"s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, "Let me take the speck out of your eye," when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother"s eye. (Matthew 7:3-5)

If atheists are actually concerned about rape and eliminating sexual violence, then they are in need of challenging some of their own view points and attitudes when what they condemn starts emerging so close to home. Catholics had to do it - why not atheists?

Look, I can't argue what you want to see. I pointed you in the direction, I mentioned how it makes no sense, if you have this obsession with demonstrating how wrong people are for not voicing YOUR dissatisfaction, its going to be a long road to hoe.
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11/28/2014 4:53:10 AM
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Straw man, straw man for days.

At 11/28/2014 3:42:59 AM, neutral wrote:
At 11/28/2014 1:18:06 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
Who's eating crow now, eh neutral?

All the atheists who refuse to condemn rape ...

Ummmm who are these atheists that support rape? Do atheists need to hold a "We hate rape parade" in order to be worthy in your eyes? What about the female atheists who do actively protest against rape? What about all the theists who don't openly condemn rape? Are they just as bad?

... especially after the numerous times you've thrown it in religious people's faces.

When have I done this?

That atheists have reacted with outrage?

All kinds of atheists are outraged by rape you cad.

Well, now you know what you spent years doing to Catholics ... and then tangentially to any religious person who was similarly infected by this problem.

How do you know it's atheists doing the raping?

Now its in YOUR areas? But you aren't responsible?

Our areas? Straw man. Atheism does not claim academia as its "area".

Well, overtime an atheist mentions the Catholic scandal - this, and your utter refusal to follow your standards of judgement - will be thrown back in your face.

What standards am I not upholding? Are you trying to say I condemn pedophile priests while supporting college rapists? I haven't seen you condemn catholic rapists, that means you're a hypocrit.

You think because the trolls of atheism make some gay jokes (its good that you guys hate gay people too - after throwing that in our faces for so long) that the reality of the situation changes?

So because a few atheists make some gay jokes all of atheism is at fault? My God you're a tool.

Not one of you condemns rape on a massive scale, and one of you even tried to blame the religious studies department rather than the school administration.

Lol what? Who have you found that supports or is indifferent to rape? How is this even exclusive to atheism?

By the way I haven't seen you condemn female genital mutilation on a massive scale. You're a hypocrite and you can't even hold your self up to your own standard! You must support female genital mutilation!

You prove my point over and over, but the lot of you atheists appears to arrogant to realize it.

You create straw men that prove your point.
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11/28/2014 4:54:53 AM
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At 11/28/2014 4:46:41 AM, neutral wrote:
At 11/28/2014 4:23:44 AM, FaustianJustice wrote:

And just as many counter! Do you honestly think athiestic women espouse the views you project of atheists?

The hook-up queens mentioned in the article? The ones that told the victim of gang rape to 'just have fun with it'?

Yeah, I'm guessing they were not devote Catholics, Mormons, or Pentecostals, or Muslims. Or a devout followers of any religion, including Buddhism which strongly condemns that kind of promiscuity as well.

So yes, you really do have to abandon religion to hold these views.

So the answer then is 'yes, I do think all athiestic women espouse these views' based on.... your doubt of their religious conviction.
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11/28/2014 5:01:19 AM
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At 11/28/2014 4:53:10 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
Straw man, straw man for days.

At 11/28/2014 3:42:59 AM, neutral wrote:
At 11/28/2014 1:18:06 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
Who's eating crow now, eh neutral?

All the atheists who refuse to condemn rape ...

Ummmm who are these atheists that support rape? Do atheists need to hold a "We hate rape parade" in order to be worthy in your eyes? What about the female atheists who do actively protest against rape? What about all the theists who don't openly condemn rape? Are they just as bad?

... especially after the numerous times you've thrown it in religious people's faces.

When have I done this?

That atheists have reacted with outrage?

All kinds of atheists are outraged by rape you cad.

Well, now you know what you spent years doing to Catholics ... and then tangentially to any religious person who was similarly infected by this problem.

How do you know it's atheists doing the raping?

Now its in YOUR areas? But you aren't responsible?

Our areas? Straw man. Atheism does not claim academia as its "area".

Well, overtime an atheist mentions the Catholic scandal - this, and your utter refusal to follow your standards of judgement - will be thrown back in your face.

What standards am I not upholding? Are you trying to say I condemn pedophile priests while supporting college rapists? I haven't seen you condemn catholic rapists, that means you're a hypocrit.

You think because the trolls of atheism make some gay jokes (its good that you guys hate gay people too - after throwing that in our faces for so long) that the reality of the situation changes?

So because a few atheists make some gay jokes all of atheism is at fault? My God you're a tool.

Not one of you condemns rape on a massive scale, and one of you even tried to blame the religious studies department rather than the school administration.

Lol what? Who have you found that supports or is indifferent to rape? How is this even exclusive to atheism?

By the way I haven't seen you condemn female genital mutilation on a massive scale. You're a hypocrite and you can't even hold your self up to your own standard! You must support female genital mutilation!

You prove my point over and over, but the lot of you atheists appears to arrogant to realize it.

You create straw men that prove your point.

You create excuses and avoid the point.

I have debated you slick, and I watched you not only hurl Hitler in our face, but the Catholic Church scandal in our face in the SAME THREAD.

Who the f*ck do you think was doing this VERY COMMON THING? Are your seriously pretending it was't atheists? Or do you, sweeping your own misconduct under the rug mind you, represent ALL atheists.

If you think YOU didn't do it, and as virulently anti-religious as you are, that is a joke, the STFU and just condemn the rape.

But you can't. Atheists, and the more militant they are the better they display this trait, cannot acknowledge fault.

Its not a straw man when its actually happening atheist. Enjoy the crow, and I hope your excuses keep you in an inebriated state against reality.
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11/28/2014 5:02:15 AM
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At 11/28/2014 4:54:53 AM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 11/28/2014 4:46:41 AM, neutral wrote:
At 11/28/2014 4:23:44 AM, FaustianJustice wrote:

And just as many counter! Do you honestly think athiestic women espouse the views you project of atheists?

The hook-up queens mentioned in the article? The ones that told the victim of gang rape to 'just have fun with it'?

Yeah, I'm guessing they were not devote Catholics, Mormons, or Pentecostals, or Muslims. Or a devout followers of any religion, including Buddhism which strongly condemns that kind of promiscuity as well.

So yes, you really do have to abandon religion to hold these views.

So the answer then is 'yes, I do think all athiestic women espouse these views' based on.... your doubt of their religious conviction.

Nope, just a great many of them. Many more so than devoutly religious women.

But the fallacious appeal to extreme is nice. Illogical. Unfortunately typical.
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11/28/2014 5:09:27 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/28/2014 5:02:15 AM, neutral wrote:
At 11/28/2014 4:54:53 AM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 11/28/2014 4:46:41 AM, neutral wrote:
At 11/28/2014 4:23:44 AM, FaustianJustice wrote:

And just as many counter! Do you honestly think athiestic women espouse the views you project of atheists?

The hook-up queens mentioned in the article? The ones that told the victim of gang rape to 'just have fun with it'?

Yeah, I'm guessing they were not devote Catholics, Mormons, or Pentecostals, or Muslims. Or a devout followers of any religion, including Buddhism which strongly condemns that kind of promiscuity as well.

So yes, you really do have to abandon religion to hold these views.

So the answer then is 'yes, I do think all athiestic women espouse these views' based on.... your doubt of their religious conviction.

Nope, just a great many of them. Many more so than devoutly religious women.

But the fallacious appeal to extreme is nice. Illogical. Unfortunately typical.

YOUR THE ONE THAT DID IT! THIS ENTIRE THREAD IS ABOUT YOUR FALLACIOUS APPEAL TO THE EXTREME!

Just because a majority of athiests don't decry every ill that comes down the pike doesn't mean that all athiests support it!

FFS, man! The reason why this is such a black eye for you is that a chosen organized religion deliberately covered up a heinous crime. For years. Sorry, they done effed up on that.

By contrast...

Athiesm has no organizational structure. There is nothing TO give a black eye too, nor is there to hold 'responsible' should societal ills manifest. You had to claim that secularism is athiesm (!?!?!?!) to even start your diatribe on moral outrage, and make a lot of loose or flat out unsupported tie ins to make a villan! Enough with the theatrics!
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11/28/2014 5:09:52 AM
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At 11/28/2014 4:53:06 AM, FaustianJustice wrote:


Have we? Is that supposed to make up for ten years of smearing and throwing rape in our faces? Who, when the same standards are applied to them dodge and hurl insults? How are atheists responding to a single counter thread? Much less being followed around and accused of supporting gang rape?

Is that supposed to make up for at least one poster trying to blame the religious department at UVA for WIDESPREAD campus rape?

That is a distortion and you know it.


No, its not. Go ahead and check for yourself. Go to any religious discussion forum and see how many times pedophilia gets thrown in our faces - even if we aren't Catholic.

How the hell do you think the issue reached the UN - crimes against humanity?

NOW, the show is on the other foot and you don't like it? Congrats - welcome to the old saying - hoisted by his own petard.

Seriously, you are the second atheist attempting to tell me that the whole Catholic imbroglio was not thrown in our face? Who do you atheists think you are fooling?

Hell, every time atheists like dee-um and his trolling pals get into a tight spot, guess what comes out? Pedophilia! But when it isn't aimed at you ... I guess its easy to ignore.

Now, its aimed back at you once ... and the sting hurts. As it should. The hypocrisy here is flatly rank.

Again, to be clear, I don;t think 'atheism' supports rape, but the community of atheists that so easily condemned human failing in the Catholic Church may want to examine is silence on the issue when it arises from universities ... or the BBC ... or the US Military ... or any number of institutions since then who put reputation before justice.

In the case of universities, rape is biting too close to home to simply deny the issue. And as I said, the atheists who revel in sexual exploitation and demand the legalization of prostitution may well want to examine their attitudes. They come with a horrific price tag.
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11/28/2014 5:14:41 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/28/2014 5:01:19 AM, neutral wrote:

You create excuses and avoid the point.

I have debated you slick, and I watched you not only hurl Hitler in our face, but the Catholic Church scandal in our face in the SAME THREAD.

The thread you're referring to was about whether or not Hitler was a Christian. Which he was. It's a fact. The only reason your pissed off about it is because you put a normative value on that fact. I also mentioned this is that thread. As for the 'Catholic Church scandal' and don't know what you're talking about. I don't see what pedophilia has to do with Hitler. But perhaps if I did bring it up was to show that you don't have to be perfect to be a Christian.

Who the f*ck do you think was doing this VERY COMMON THING? Are your seriously pretending it was't atheists? Or do you, sweeping your own misconduct under the rug mind you, represent ALL atheists.

Do you really think that only atheists rape?

And what are you talking about my own misconduct? Are you accusing me of being a rapist?

If you think YOU didn't do it, and as virulently anti-religious as you are, that is a joke, the STFU and just condemn the rape.

I condemn rape. There, now enjoy your crow.

But you can't. Atheists, and the more militant they are the better they display this trait, cannot acknowledge fault.

See above.

Its not a straw man when its actually happening atheist. Enjoy the crow, and I hope your excuses keep you in an inebriated state against reality.

Trying to link atheism to rape simply because you're not satisfied with our behavior is the straw man. You're deluded and I pity you.
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11/28/2014 5:15:07 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/28/2014 5:09:27 AM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 11/28/2014 5:02:15 AM, neutral wrote:
At 11/28/2014 4:54:53 AM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 11/28/2014 4:46:41 AM, neutral wrote:
At 11/28/2014 4:23:44 AM, FaustianJustice wrote:

And just as many counter! Do you honestly think athiestic women espouse the views you project of atheists?

The hook-up queens mentioned in the article? The ones that told the victim of gang rape to 'just have fun with it'?

Yeah, I'm guessing they were not devote Catholics, Mormons, or Pentecostals, or Muslims. Or a devout followers of any religion, including Buddhism which strongly condemns that kind of promiscuity as well.

So yes, you really do have to abandon religion to hold these views.

So the answer then is 'yes, I do think all athiestic women espouse these views' based on.... your doubt of their religious conviction.

Nope, just a great many of them. Many more so than devoutly religious women.

But the fallacious appeal to extreme is nice. Illogical. Unfortunately typical.

YOUR THE ONE THAT DID IT! THIS ENTIRE THREAD IS ABOUT YOUR FALLACIOUS APPEAL TO THE EXTREME!

Just because a majority of athiests don't decry every ill that comes down the pike doesn't mean that all athiests support it!

FFS, man! The reason why this is such a black eye for you is that a chosen organized religion deliberately covered up a heinous crime. For years. Sorry, they done effed up on that.

By contrast...

Athiesm has no organizational structure. There is nothing TO give a black eye too, nor is there to hold 'responsible' should societal ills manifest. You had to claim that secularism is athiesm (!?!?!?!) to even start your diatribe on moral outrage, and make a lot of loose or flat out unsupported tie ins to make a villan! Enough with the theatrics!

Atheism has organizational structure. atheist.org. Atheist churches. etc. There are entire clearing houses of atheism that preach everything from the Jesus Myth to the prison studies that make you guys so much more honorable than everyone else.

Yet now, as is typically the case, its some other atheists doing that. Always some other atheist, Well, the atheists that WERE and ARE doing it are right here on this forum. Right here.

So you go ahead and take your embarrassed little tush out there and check. See if there are no references to pedophilia thrown in our faces or not.

But spare me the righteous indignation. YOU, and all your atheist buddies, had no problem with allowing religious people to be judged this way - and yet when the shoes is on your foot? You scream and deny?

Well, overtime I see one of you atheists - poor innocent atheists - throwing pedophilia into our faces not only will I remind you of Dawkins on the issue (The Prophet we religious people are stupid and unlearned when we criticize - at least until we quite him for you) but I will remind you of your tolerance for gang rape.

Its the standard you atheists have lived by for a decade. Enjoy the crow. If it makes you mad? Well, maybe you should apologize for the attacks on the Catholic Church in the same vein. If not? Enjoy the reciprocity of standards.