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11/30/2014 4:57:59 PM
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Jesus and his followers went to the towns in the area of Caesarea Philippi. While they were traveling, Jesus asked the followers, "Who do people say I am?" Your Rapture depends of your understanding of these words!
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11/30/2014 5:18:59 PM
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Its very Bazzaroland what the Mormons , Jws , 7day and lets take Islam . They all Love Jesus but Deny!
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11/30/2014 5:26:09 PM
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And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth. Satan started Here .
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11/30/2014 5:59:25 PM
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Jesus and his followers went to the towns in the area of Caesarea Philippi. While they were traveling, Jesus asked the followers, "Who do people say I am?" Your Rapture depends of your understanding of these words!
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11/30/2014 6:58:25 PM
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The term "true church" is an oxy-moron. Churches are not about truth.

Take your O.P. for example. You assert that one's rapture depends upon understanding those words, and yet you have already (and unknowingly), demonstrated your lack of understanding. You present them as the words of Jesus, yet if you held an understanding of them, you'd realize they are only the words of a writer who put them into the mouth of his fictional Jesus character.

The Bible contains not a single word of Jesus. If you cared about truth, you'd have already realized that.
"If we believe absurdities we shall commit atrocities." -- Voltaire
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11/30/2014 7:23:47 PM
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At 11/30/2014 6:58:25 PM, Beastt wrote:
The term "true church" is an oxy-moron. Churches are not about truth.

Take your O.P. for example. You assert that one's rapture depends upon understanding those words, and yet you have already (and unknowingly), demonstrated your lack of understanding. You present them as the words of Jesus, yet if you held an understanding of them, you'd realize they are only the words of a writer who put them into the mouth of his fictional Jesus character.

The Bible contains not a single word of Jesus. If you cared about truth, you'd have already realized that.

You are correct in your statement that the Bible contains not a single word of Jesus. If you (Beastt) cared about truth, or had any understanding whatsoever of the truths as recorded in the Holy Scriptures, you'd have already realized that.

Moses asked God for his name in order that he might be able to tell the Israelites in Egypt, who had sent him. And God said; Exodus 3: 14; "I Am Who I Am/YHVH." You must tell them: 'The one who is called "I AM/JHVH" has sent me to you.' Tell the Israelites that I, the Lord, the God of their ancestors, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, have sent you to them.

Deuteronomy 18: 18; YHVH, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, says to Moses; "I will send them a prophet like you from among their own people; I will tell him what to say, and he will tell the people everything I command. He will speak in my name etc.

Peter confirms that Jesus was that man, when he refers to Jesus in Acts 3: 22; For Moses said; "The Lord your God will send you a prophet, Just as he sent me, and he will be one of your own people, etc."

Did the people of his day believe that he was the Lord, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. The God of our ancestors? No, they did not, for on the day of his triumphant entry into Jerusalem, the people escorting him cried out, "Blessed is he, who comes in the name of the Lord." Verifying that they believed Jesus to be the one who God had promised that he would choose from among the Israelites, and send to the people to speak in his name.

In John 8; Jesus says, "I do nothing on my own authority, but say only that which the Father commands me to say, etc.

John 5: 24; "Whoever hears my words and believes in HIM who sent me, has eternal life. These were not the words of Jesus, but were the Words of YHVH/Who I Am, that he commanded the man that he had chosen from among the people, to speak in his name.

Who must we believe on to inherit eternal life? Not Jesus, but he who sent Jesus to speak in his name.

Whose words were these in reference to the body of Jesus, that had been filled by the spirit of the Lord which had descended upon him in the form of a dove?

"Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up?"

Did the man Jesus raise his own body from death? NO!

Acts 13: 30; But God raised him from the dead: and he was seen many days of them which came up with him from Galilee, etc.

1st Corinthians 6: 14; And God has both raised up the Lord, and will also raise up us by his own power.

2nd Corinthians 1: 9; But we had the sentence of death in ourselves, that we should not trust in ourselves, but in God which raiseth the dead.

2nd Corinthians 4: 14; knowing that he who raised the Lord Jesus will raise us also with Jesus and bring us with you into his presence.

Act 17: 31; For he (The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.) has fixed a day (A period of one thousand years) in which he will judge the whole world with justice by means of a man he has chosen. He has given proof of this to everyone by raising that man from death.

So you see, the words that were spoken through the mouth of the man Jesus, were not his words, but the words of the Lesser Jahweh, who is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
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11/30/2014 7:56:57 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/30/2014 7:23:47 PM, Gentorev wrote:
At 11/30/2014 6:58:25 PM, Beastt wrote:
The term "true church" is an oxy-moron. Churches are not about truth.

Take your O.P. for example. You assert that one's rapture depends upon understanding those words, and yet you have already (and unknowingly), demonstrated your lack of understanding. You present them as the words of Jesus, yet if you held an understanding of them, you'd realize they are only the words of a writer who put them into the mouth of his fictional Jesus character.

The Bible contains not a single word of Jesus. If you cared about truth, you'd have already realized that.

You are correct in your statement that the Bible contains not a single word of Jesus. If you (Beastt) cared about truth, or had any understanding whatsoever of the truths as recorded in the Holy Scriptures, you'd have already realized that.
First you tell me I'm correct, then you tell me I'm wrong. What makes your "scriptures" "Holy"? It was the acceptance by the council in the 4th century - a council with no means or method to accepting or rejecting written manuscripts. They accepted what they preferred, even when they contain contradictions. It's not "holy" just because a council of rather plebeian superstitious fools put their stamp of approval upon it. In fact, there were often very large minority objections to many of the accepted books. Some even refused to sign, despite the consequence of exile and excommunication. If YOU cared about truth, you'd have known that!

Moses asked God for his name in order that he might be able to tell the Israelites in Egypt, who had sent him. And God said; Exodus 3: 14; "I Am Who I Am/YHVH." You must tell them: 'The one who is called "I AM/JHVH" has sent me to you.' Tell the Israelites that I, the Lord, the God of their ancestors, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, have sent you to them.
Wrong! God has never said anything. Men have written that God told them things, and they often claim God offered them that which contradicts what others claim God provided them. In the end, it all comes from men... just men. As for Moses, it is entirely likely he's a fictional character as he's largely a parallel for King Sargon.

And again, if you were concerned with truth, you'd have known that.

When the best you can do is post verses from the Bible and proclaim them to be from God, you've already failed. What makes you think anything in the Bible came from God? Where is the connection between men in the 4th century arguing for 42-years before finally being coerced into signing a statement of agreement in accepting the writings of men... to God?

Why do you think God had anything to do with the Bible? There's no connection.
"If we believe absurdities we shall commit atrocities." -- Voltaire
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11/30/2014 8:54:22 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/30/2014 7:56:57 PM, Beastt wrote:
At 11/30/2014 7:23:47 PM, Gentorev wrote:
At 11/30/2014 6:58:25 PM, Beastt wrote:
The term "true church" is an oxy-moron. Churches are not about truth.

Take your O.P. for example. You assert that one's rapture depends upon understanding those words, and yet you have already (and unknowingly), demonstrated your lack of understanding. You present them as the words of Jesus, yet if you held an understanding of them, you'd realize they are only the words of a writer who put them into the mouth of his fictional Jesus character.

The Bible contains not a single word of Jesus. If you cared about truth, you'd have already realized that.

You are correct in your statement that the Bible contains not a single word of Jesus. If you (Beastt) cared about truth, or had any understanding whatsoever of the truths as recorded in the Holy Scriptures, you'd have already realized that.
First you tell me I'm correct, then you tell me I'm wrong. What makes your "scriptures" "Holy"? It was the acceptance by the council in the 4th century - a council with no means or method to accepting or rejecting written manuscripts. They accepted what they preferred, even when they contain contradictions. It's not "holy" just because a council of rather plebeian superstitious fools put their stamp of approval upon it. In fact, there were often very large minority objections to many of the accepted books. Some even refused to sign, despite the consequence of exile and excommunication. If YOU cared about truth, you'd have known that!

Moses asked God for his name in order that he might be able to tell the Israelites in Egypt, who had sent him. And God said; Exodus 3: 14; "I Am Who I Am/YHVH." You must tell them: 'The one who is called "I AM/JHVH" has sent me to you.' Tell the Israelites that I, the Lord, the God of their ancestors, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, have sent you to them.
Wrong! God has never said anything. Men have written that God told them things, and they often claim God offered them that which contradicts what others claim God provided them. In the end, it all comes from men... just men. As for Moses, it is entirely likely he's a fictional character as he's largely a parallel for King Sargon.

And again, if you were concerned with truth, you'd have known that.

When the best you can do is post verses from the Bible and proclaim them to be from God, you've already failed. What makes you think anything in the Bible came from God? Where is the connection between men in the 4th century arguing for 42-years before finally being coerced into signing a statement of agreement in accepting the writings of men... to God?

Why do you think God had anything to do with the Bible? There's no connection.

Beastt wrote....... First you tell me I'm correct, then you tell me I'm wrong.

Gentorev responds........ I see that you have difficulty in comprehending the written word, it is no wonder that you have no understanding whatsoever as to the truth within the Holy Scriptures. I said that you were correct in your statement that the bible contains not a single word of Jesus. I then went on to reveal to you that not one word that issued from the mouth of the man Jesus originated from him.

Beastt wrote....... What makes your "scriptures" "Holy"? It was the acceptance by the council in the 4th century - a council with no means or method to accepting or rejecting written manuscripts.

Gentorev responds.........The gullible people who believe that Jesus was born of some supposed virgin, might be confined to the canon of the Universal church that was established by Emperor Constantine, but not me my young friend, not me.

Knowing the origin of the Universal church which was founded in the 4th century by the non-christian Emperor Constantine, who would only consent to be baptized when he lay on his death bed.

We know that the universal church of Emperor Constantine was formed from a rag-tag group of quarrelling and insult hurling religious bodies that called themselves Christians. Emperor Constantine, finally sick to the stomach with their constant bickering, called together all the heads of those quarrelling bodies to the first ever "World Council of Churches" where, under the dominating presence of the non-christian and almost certainly theologically illiterate King Constantine, the universal church was established in 325 AD, some 300 years after the Apostolic Church of Jesus Christ had been established in Jerusalem.

In the days of the Apostle Paul who in 1st Timothy 1: 1; says: "From Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by order of "GOD OUR SAVIOUR" and Christ Jesus "OUR HOPE."" The people were already beginning to fall away from the truth, and following another gospel that was not taught by the word of God or the apostles.

In his 2nd letter to the Corinthians 11: 4; Paul says, "You gladly tolerate anyone who comes to you and preaches a different Jesus, not the one we preached; and you accept a spirit (The Lie) and a gospel completely different from the spirit (Of Truth) and the gospel you received from us."

Then in Galatians 1: 6; Paul says again, "I am surprised at you! In no time at all you are deserting the truth and are accepting another gospel.

So, What was that other gospel, Way back in the days of Paul, that was leading the people away from the truth and away from the Jesus as preached by the Apostles, to another false Jesus?

That gospel was the word of the anti-christ that refused to acknowledge that Jesus had come as a human being, and instead, they believed that he was a spirit, who, like some Hologram, would appear and disappear at will.

Even in the later days of John, the false teaching that Jesus was not of the seed of Adam from which every human being who has, or ever will walk this earth, has descended, and had not come as a human being, but as a spiritual being, was already being spread throughout the world, and concerning that evolving falsehood, John had this to say.

1st letter of John 4:1-3; "My dear friends, do not believe all who claim to have the spirit, (My words are spirit) but test them to find out if the spirit they have comes from God. For many false prophets have gone out everywhere. This is how you will be able to know if it is Gods spirit/word: anyone who acknowledges that Jesus came as a human being has the spirit who comes from God. But anyone who denies this about Jesus does not have the spirit from God. The spirit that he has is from the enemy of the anointed one, who is the Anti-christ etc."

2nd letter of John verses 7-10;."Many deceivers have gone out all over the world, people who do not acknowledge that Jesus came as a human being. Such a person is a deceiver and an enemy of Christ."

If you would care to open your eyes, I"m sure that you will have little difficulty in finding the teaching of the anti-christ, that Jesus was not a descendant of Adam and therefore, not a true human being, which has been spread ALL OVER THE WORLD.

To be continued:
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11/30/2014 9:05:19 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
Continued from post #12.

Over the centuries the false teaching of the anti-christ continued to evolve. But as the followers of the anti-christ became more enlightened and harder to deceive, we find that in Alexandria, by the second century, Docetism, the concept that Jesus had existed as a spirit rather than a human being, had all but theoretically been stamped out.

But still, there persisted the belief that their false Jesus, although seen as a sort of human being, did not have our normal bodily needs, such as eating, drinking and having to go to the toilet, and Clement the bishop of Alexandria, wrote: "IT WOULD BE RIDICULOUS TO IMAGINE THAT THE REDEEMER, IN ORDER TO EXIST, HAD THE USUAL NEEDS OF MAN. HE ONLY TOOK FOOD AND ATE IT IN ORDER THAT WE SHOULD NOT TEACH ABOUT HIM IN A DOCETIC fASHION."

Satan must have had some trouble trying to tempt this false Jesus of theirs, who had no need of food, into turning stones into bread.

Their Jesus was not the Jesus as taught by the apostles, but that other Jesus, taught by the Anti-Christ, who unlike we mere HUMAN BEINGS, did not need to eat, drink, or go to the toilet, as was taught by one of the great teachers that the members of the universal church, love to use as one of their authorities when trying to defend one of their false doctrines.

Saint Clement of Alexandria, who was a saint in the Martyrology of the Roman universal church, in support of the great lie, speaks of the time that some imaginary midwife, who was supposed to be at the birth of Jesus, told some woman by the name Salome, that the mother was still a virgin after the birth and that her hymen was still intact, and that this supposed Salome, stuck her finger into the mother"s vagina to check, and her hand immediately withered up, but the baby Jesus reached out and touched her hand and healed it.

Down to the 17th century Clement was venerated as a saint. His name was to be found in the Martyrologies, and his feast fell on December 4. But when the Roman Martyrology was revised by Clement VIII (Pope from 1592 to 1605), his name was dropped from the calendar on the advice of his confessor, Cardinal Baronius. Pope Benedict XIV in 1748 maintained his predecessor's decision on the grounds that Clement's life was little-known; that he had never obtained public cultus in the Church; and that some of his doctrines were, if not erroneous, at least highly suspect.

"ERRONEOUS--HIGHLY SUSPECT," you can say that again. But by then the falsehood was firmly established and its seeds had taken root in all the nations of the world. The Lord now has need of some good gardeners, to help root out those noxious weeds.
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11/30/2014 9:22:07 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
Beastt wrote....... What makes your "scriptures" "Holy"? It was the acceptance by the council in the 4th century - a council with no means or method to accepting or rejecting written manuscripts. They accepted what they preferred, even when they contain contradictions. It's not "holy" just because a council of rather plebeian superstitious fools put their stamp of approval upon it. In fact, there were often very large minority objections to many of the accepted books. Some even refused to sign, despite the consequence of exile and excommunication. If YOU cared about truth, you'd have known that!

Gentorev responds..........I think that I have made it abundantly clear that I do care about the truth and that I did know all about the establishment of the universal church of Emperor Constantine in the 4th century.

The Holy Scriptures that I refer to are the OT and the pseudepigrapha of the OT, which include the book of Jubilees, the books of righteous Enoch, The Testaments of the 12 Patriarchs plus many other books that have been rejected by the universal church of Constantine.

So now, would you kindly reveal, where in my Holy Scriptures are the contradictions that you refer to?
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11/30/2014 9:51:53 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/30/2014 8:54:22 PM, Gentorev wrote:
At 11/30/2014 7:56:57 PM, Beastt wrote:


Beastt wrote....... First you tell me I'm correct, then you tell me I'm wrong.
See up above where it says, "At 11/30/2014 8:54:22 PM, Gentorev wrote:" and "At 11/30/2014 7:56:57 PM, Beastt wrote:"? That's why it's silly and redundant for you to add "Beastt wrote" and "Gentorev responds".

Gentorev responds........ I see that you have difficulty in comprehending the written word, it is no wonder that you have no understanding whatsoever as to the truth within the Holy Scriptures. I said that you were correct in your statement that the bible contains not a single word of Jesus. I then went on to reveal to you that not one word that issued from the mouth of the man Jesus originated from him.
So Jesus didn't say what he said... perfectly clear. But it's MY lack of comprehension? I don't think so. Perhaps if you knew what words mean, you wouldn't contradict yourself within the same sentence.

Beastt wrote....... What makes your "scriptures" "Holy"? It was the acceptance by the council in the 4th century - a council with no means or method to accepting or rejecting written manuscripts.

Gentorev responds.........The gullible people who believe that Jesus was born of some supposed virgin, might be confined to the canon of the Universal church that was established by Emperor Constantine, but not me my young friend, not me.
Yet, you insist that the Bible contains "holy scriptures" and the verses contained in the Bible were from the manuscripts accepted and canonized by Constantine's 4th century council. So what makes you think any of this is "holy"?

Knowing the origin of the Universal church which was founded in the 4th century by the non-christian Emperor Constantine, who would only consent to be baptized when he lay on his death bed.

We know that the universal church of Emperor Constantine was formed from a rag-tag group of quarrelling and insult hurling religious bodies that called themselves Christians. Emperor Constantine, finally sick to the stomach with their constant bickering, called together all the heads of those quarrelling bodies to the first ever "World Council of Churches" where, under the dominating presence of the non-christian and almost certainly theologically illiterate King Constantine, the universal church was established in 325 AD, some 300 years after the Apostolic Church of Jesus Christ had been established in Jerusalem.

In the days of the Apostle Paul who in 1st Timothy 1: 1; says: "From Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by order of "GOD OUR SAVIOUR" and Christ Jesus "OUR HOPE."" The people were already beginning to fall away from the truth, and following another gospel that was not taught by the word of God or the apostles.
Who decides that the writing called "1st Timothy" and Saul of Tarsus should be granted any authority? It was the same council appointed by the Emperor who himself worshiped Sol Invitus - Emperor Constantine. So again, why do you believe the writings they selected have anything to do with God?

In his 2nd letter to the Corinthians 11: 4; Paul says, "You gladly tolerate anyone who comes to you and preaches a different Jesus, not the one we preached; and you accept a spirit (The Lie) and a gospel completely different from the spirit (Of Truth) and the gospel you received from us."
So there were many different versions of Jesus being preached. What makes you think Paul - who never met Jesus - was preaching any true Jesus?

Then in Galatians 1: 6; Paul says again, "I am surprised at you! In no time at all you are deserting the truth and are accepting another gospel.
Why do you accept Paul as being some kind of authority?

So, What was that other gospel, Way back in the days of Paul, that was leading the people away from the truth and away from the Jesus as preached by the Apostles, to another false Jesus?
How can you have any idea that any of the gospels were true, or that any of the versions of Jesus were true?

That gospel was the word of the anti-christ that refused to acknowledge that Jesus had come as a human being, and instead, they believed that he was a spirit, who, like some Hologram, would appear and disappear at will.
But Paul tells you that Jesus hadn't come as a human being. Read Hebrews 8:4!

Even in the later days of John, the false teaching that Jesus was not of the seed of Adam from which every human being who has, or ever will walk this earth, has descended, and had not come as a human being, but as a spiritual being, was already being spread throughout the world, and concerning that evolving falsehood, John had this to say.
What makes you think those teachings were false? Before you can make any claim, you have to know that there are at least some teachings of Jesus. The reality is that we can't even verify that there was a Jesus.

1st letter of John 4:1-3; "My dear friends, do not believe all who claim to have the spirit, (My words are spirit) but test them to find out if the spirit they have comes from God. For many false prophets have gone out everywhere. This is how you will be able to know if it is Gods spirit/word: anyone who acknowledges that Jesus came as a human being has the spirit who comes from God. But anyone who denies this about Jesus does not have the spirit from God. The spirit that he has is from the enemy of the anointed one, who is the Anti-christ etc."
But you don't even know who wrote 1 John... no one does. Some insist that it was the same author who wrote the Gospel of John, but that wasn't written by John. It contains parallel verses taken from "The Gospel of Mark", as well as information copied from Flavius Josephus. You're trying to rate the validity of writings without a foundation.

2nd letter of John verses 7-10;."Many deceivers have gone out all over the world, people who do not acknowledge that Jesus came as a human being. Such a person is a deceiver and an enemy of Christ."
And again, we have no idea who wrote 2 John.

If you would care to open your eyes, I"m sure that you will have little difficulty in finding the teaching of the anti-christ, that Jesus was not a descendant of Adam and therefore, not a true human being, which has been spread ALL OVER THE WORLD.
These are not the "teachings of the Anti-Christ" anymore than anything in the Bible can be said to be the "teachings of Jesus". But you'd have to be willing to accept the truth, rather than your preference, before you can accept that.

To be continued:
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"If we believe absurdities we shall commit atrocities." -- Voltaire
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11/30/2014 10:45:27 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
Gentorev wrote..........Moses asked God for his name in order that he might be able to tell the Israelites in Egypt, who had sent him. And God said; Exodus 3: 14; "I Am Who I Am/YHVH." You must tell them: 'The one who is called "I AM/JHVH" has sent me to you.' Tell the Israelites that I, the Lord, the God of their ancestors, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, have sent you to them.

Beastt replied...........Wrong! God has never said anything.

Gentorev responds.......Obviously not to you, who have turned your back on your indwelling parental inheritance.

Beastt wrote..........Men have written that God told them things, and they often claim God offered them that which contradicts what others claim God provided them.

Gentorev responds......Please reveal where God revealed certain things to one prophet which contradicted that which he had revealed to another of his prophets ?

Beastt wrote........In the end, it all comes from men... just men.

Gentorev replies......... It all came from men who were under the control of the spirit of "The Son of Man" which descends from the ends of time.

Beastt wrote.........As for Moses, it is entirely likely he's a fictional character as he's largely a parallel for King Sargon.

And again, if you were concerned with truth, you'd have known that.

Gentorev responds.........Now, how in heaven"s name should I, who am concerned with truth, be expected to know that you erroneously believe that Moses is a fictitious character who you seem to believe a parallel for King Sargon?

Beastt wrote...........When the best you can do is post verses from the Bible and proclaim them to be from God, you've already failed.

Gentorev responds........The verses that I quote were written by scribes who were under the control of the descending spirit, where I have failed is in the fact that I fail to understand why an atheist who has no understanding of the truths within the Holy Scriptures, and who is not religious and claims that he belongs to no religion, would bother to haunt a religious forum.

Beastt wrote...........What makes you think anything in the Bible came from God?

Gentorev responds............What makes you think that nothing in the bible came from God. OH that"s right, you are a godless atheist aren"t you? So you can"t believe that anything came from that which you erroneously believe does not exist.

Beastt wrote...........Where is the connection between men in the 4th century arguing for 42-years before finally being coerced into signing a statement of agreement in accepting the writings of men... to God?

Gentorev responds.......Again you are severely lacking in understanding, those people in the 4th century who had abandoned the God as taught by the apostles, were not coerced into accepting that the writings of the prophets were from God, they already believed that.

They were coerced into signing a statement, which read something like; "We believe in one God, the Father, the Almighty, maker of all that is seen and unseen, and in one Lord Jesus Christ, the word of God, god from God, light from light, life from life, only begotten son, firstborn of all creation, before all ages begotten from the Father, who for our salvation was incarnate and lived among man."

To most catholics the words will have a familiar ring because at every mass they recite almost the same formula. Constantine urged all council delegates to sign the formula as a statement of faith on which all Christians should in the future agree.

For all those who signed, there was the inducement of an invitation to stay on at Nicaea as Constantine"s guests for his twentieth anniversary celebrations. For all who refused there was immediate banishment.

Beastt wrote...........Why do you think God had anything to do with the Bible? There's no connection.

Gentorev responds........ According to your godless views there is no connection between God and anything in the entire cosmos, let alone the bible.
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11/30/2014 11:29:19 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/30/2014 5:28:33 PM, dee-em wrote:
Are you enjoying your conversation with yourself?

His name is rant. He's just doing what he does best, ranting.
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11/30/2014 11:39:26 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
Gentorev wrote........ I see that you have difficulty in comprehending the written word, it is no wonder that you have no understanding whatsoever as to the truth within the Holy Scriptures. I said that you were correct in your statement that the bible contains not a single word of Jesus. I then went on to reveal to you that not one word that issued from the mouth of the man Jesus originated from him.

Beastt replies..........So Jesus didn't say what he said... perfectly clear. But it's MY lack of comprehension? I don't think so. Perhaps if you knew what words mean, you wouldn't contradict yourself within the same sentence.

Gentorev responds.......Oh, I know what words mean my friend. I am a poet and I record my poetic words in books, others might recite my poems, it is their voice that speaks, but it is not their words that they speak, the words they speak are mine, just as the words spoken by Jesus were not his words, but the words of the Lesser Jahweh who chose the man Jesus, from among his own people to speak in his name.

This should be perfectly clear to all who are able to comprehend the written word.
So I do think that the reason why you do not understand that which has been writen, is because of your lack of comprehension.
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12/1/2014 12:15:02 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/30/2014 11:39:26 PM, Gentorev wrote:
Gentorev wrote........ I see that you have difficulty in comprehending the written word, it is no wonder that you have no understanding whatsoever as to the truth within the Holy Scriptures. I said that you were correct in your statement that the bible contains not a single word of Jesus. I then went on to reveal to you that not one word that issued from the mouth of the man Jesus originated from him.

Beastt replies..........So Jesus didn't say what he said... perfectly clear. But it's MY lack of comprehension? I don't think so. Perhaps if you knew what words mean, you wouldn't contradict yourself within the same sentence.

Gentorev responds.......Oh, I know what words mean my friend. I am a poet and I record my poetic words in books, others might recite my poems, it is their voice that speaks, but it is not their words that they speak, the words they speak are mine, just as the words spoken by Jesus were not his words, but the words of the Lesser Jahweh who chose the man Jesus, from among his own people to speak in his name.

This should be perfectly clear to all who are able to comprehend the written word.
So I do think that the reason why you do not understand that which has been writen, is because of your lack of comprehension.

How many gods have you got?
BTW, the exodus? It didn't happen.
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12/1/2014 1:22:53 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/1/2014 12:15:02 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 11/30/2014 11:39:26 PM, Gentorev wrote:
Gentorev wrote........ I see that you have difficulty in comprehending the written word, it is no wonder that you have no understanding whatsoever as to the truth within the Holy Scriptures. I said that you were correct in your statement that the bible contains not a single word of Jesus. I then went on to reveal to you that not one word that issued from the mouth of the man Jesus originated from him.

Beastt replies..........So Jesus didn't say what he said... perfectly clear. But it's MY lack of comprehension? I don't think so. Perhaps if you knew what words mean, you wouldn't contradict yourself within the same sentence.

Gentorev responds.......Oh, I know what words mean my friend. I am a poet and I record my poetic words in books, others might recite my poems, it is their voice that speaks, but it is not their words that they speak, the words they speak are mine, just as the words spoken by Jesus were not his words, but the words of the Lesser Jahweh who chose the man Jesus, from among his own people to speak in his name.

This should be perfectly clear to all who are able to comprehend the written word.
So I do think that the reason why you do not understand that which has been writen, is because of your lack of comprehension.

How many gods have you got?
BTW, the exodus? It didn't happen.

There are many gods, see Psalms 82: God presides in the heavenly council; in the assembly of the gods he gives his decisions, etc, etc. verse 6; "you are gods. I said; all of you are sons of the Most High.

But my God is "WHO I AM." That which was in the beginning has evolved to become "WHO I AM."

WHO I AM, is connected to the beginning by an unbroken genetic thread of life, and I, the mind=spirit that is being formed in this body, where in the innermost sanctuary of this tent=tabernacle, dwells my parental spirit "WHO I AM", who is the compilation of all the spirits of my ancestors, human and pre-human.

"WHO I AM" has always existed in one form or another, He has never died and can never die and I am the developing son and successor of "WHO I AM" and am true to only one God, "WHO I AM."

As to the Exodus which I have proven did occur around 1500 BC, it would be off topic to discuss the Exodus in this thread.
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12/1/2014 1:40:04 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/30/2014 4:57:59 PM, Rant wrote:
Jesus and his followers went to the towns in the area of Caesarea Philippi. While they were traveling, Jesus asked the followers, "Who do people say I am?" Your Rapture depends of your understanding of these words!

Psalm 92
5: How great are thy works, O LORD! Thy thoughts are very deep!
6: The dull man cannot know, the stupid cannot understand this:

Jeremiah 10
10: But the LORD is the true God; he is the living God and the everlasting King. At his wrath the earth quakes, and the nations cannot endure his indignation.
11: Thus shall you say to them: "The gods who did not make the heavens and the earth shall perish from the earth and from under the heavens."
12: It is he who made the earth by his power, who established the world by his wisdom, and by his understanding stretched out the heavens.
13: When he utters his voice there is a tumult of waters in the heavens, and he makes the mist rise from the ends of the earth. He makes lightnings for the rain, and he brings forth the wind from his storehouses.
14: Every man is stupid and without knowledge; every goldsmith is put to shame by his idols; for his images are false, and there is no breath in them.

Not only are you stupid, but you are worshiping a false image that can't create anything and certainly can't rapture your body up into the sky.
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12/1/2014 7:42:28 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
"Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son" (1 Jn. 2:22).
The apostle John also said:
"Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is thatspirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world" (1 Jn. 4:2-3).
The Muslim denial that God has a Son is a lie and nothing less than the spirit of Antichrist in America and that goes for Mormons and jws and all cult religions that deny that Jesus is God and deny the trinity of God.
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12/1/2014 7:53:19 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/30/2014 4:57:59 PM, Rant wrote:
Jesus and his followers went to the towns in the area of Caesarea Philippi. While they were traveling, Jesus asked the followers, "Who do people say I am?" Your Rapture depends of your understanding of these words!
The correct answer in Story book land was " You are an eternal Jew/Hebrew ".

Born a Jew, Lived as a Jew & Died as a Jew!

Next!
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12/1/2014 7:57:41 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/1/2014 7:42:28 AM, Rant wrote:
"Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son" (1 Jn. 2:22).
The apostle John also said:
"Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is thatspirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world" (1 Jn. 4:2-3).
The Muslim denial that God has a Son is a lie and nothing less than the spirit of Antichrist in America and that goes for Mormons and jws and all cult religions that deny that Jesus is God and deny the trinity of God.
Your quoting from your supposedly preferred 100% human devised Story book propaganda does nothing for your cause apart from destroying itself!
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12/1/2014 8:52:20 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/1/2014 1:22:53 AM, Gentorev wrote:
At 12/1/2014 12:15:02 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 11/30/2014 11:39:26 PM, Gentorev wrote:
Gentorev wrote........ I see that you have difficulty in comprehending the written word, it is no wonder that you have no understanding whatsoever as to the truth within the Holy Scriptures. I said that you were correct in your statement that the bible contains not a single word of Jesus. I then went on to reveal to you that not one word that issued from the mouth of the man Jesus originated from him.

Beastt replies..........So Jesus didn't say what he said... perfectly clear. But it's MY lack of comprehension? I don't think so. Perhaps if you knew what words mean, you wouldn't contradict yourself within the same sentence.

Gentorev responds.......Oh, I know what words mean my friend. I am a poet and I record my poetic words in books, others might recite my poems, it is their voice that speaks, but it is not their words that they speak, the words they speak are mine, just as the words spoken by Jesus were not his words, but the words of the Lesser Jahweh who chose the man Jesus, from among his own people to speak in his name.

This should be perfectly clear to all who are able to comprehend the written word.
So I do think that the reason why you do not understand that which has been writen, is because of your lack of comprehension.

How many gods have you got?
BTW, the exodus? It didn't happen.

There are many gods, see Psalms 82: God presides in the heavenly council; in the assembly of the gods he gives his decisions, etc, etc. verse 6; "you are gods. I said; all of you are sons of the Most High.

But my God is "WHO I AM." That which was in the beginning has evolved to become "WHO I AM."

WHO I AM, is connected to the beginning by an unbroken genetic thread of life, and I, the mind=spirit that is being formed in this body, where in the innermost sanctuary of this tent=tabernacle, dwells my parental spirit "WHO I AM", who is the compilation of all the spirits of my ancestors, human and pre-human.

"WHO I AM" has always existed in one form or another, He has never died and can never die and I am the developing son and successor of "WHO I AM" and am true to only one God, "WHO I AM."

As to the Exodus which I have proven did occur around 1500 BC, it would be off topic to discuss the Exodus in this thread.

That's funny.
Since your god is the ONE AND ONLY TRUE god according to your book of fables.
Haven't you read it?
Yeah it's full of crap.
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12/1/2014 2:30:12 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/30/2014 4:57:59 PM, Rant wrote:
What is the True Church?

The true Church is the congregation that consists of the true Christians. And true Christians are those that are disciples of Jesus, and they are defined in this:

Jesus therefore said to those Jews who had believed him, "If you remain in my word, then you are truly my disciples. You will know the truth, and the truth will make you free."
John 8:31-32
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12/1/2014 3:59:33 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/1/2014 8:52:20 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 12/1/2014 1:22:53 AM, Gentorev wrote:
At 12/1/2014 12:15:02 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 11/30/2014 11:39:26 PM, Gentorev wrote:
Gentorev wrote........ I see that you have difficulty in comprehending the written word, it is no wonder that you have no understanding whatsoever as to the truth within the Holy Scriptures. I said that you were correct in your statement that the bible contains not a single word of Jesus. I then went on to reveal to you that not one word that issued from the mouth of the man Jesus originated from him.

Beastt replies..........So Jesus didn't say what he said... perfectly clear. But it's MY lack of comprehension? I don't think so. Perhaps if you knew what words mean, you wouldn't contradict yourself within the same sentence.

Gentorev responds.......Oh, I know what words mean my friend. I am a poet and I record my poetic words in books, others might recite my poems, it is their voice that speaks, but it is not their words that they speak, the words they speak are mine, just as the words spoken by Jesus were not his words, but the words of the Lesser Jahweh who chose the man Jesus, from among his own people to speak in his name.

This should be perfectly clear to all who are able to comprehend the written word.
So I do think that the reason why you do not understand that which has been writen, is because of your lack of comprehension.

How many gods have you got?
BTW, the exodus? It didn't happen.

There are many gods, see Psalms 82: God presides in the heavenly council; in the assembly of the gods he gives his decisions, etc, etc. verse 6; "you are gods. I said; all of you are sons of the Most High.

But my God is "WHO I AM." That which was in the beginning has evolved to become "WHO I AM."

WHO I AM, is connected to the beginning by an unbroken genetic thread of life, and I, the mind=spirit that is being formed in this body, where in the innermost sanctuary of this tent=tabernacle, dwells my parental spirit "WHO I AM", who is the compilation of all the spirits of my ancestors, human and pre-human.

"WHO I AM" has always existed in one form or another, He has never died and can never die and I am the developing son and successor of "WHO I AM" and am true to only one God, "WHO I AM."

As to the Exodus which I have proven did occur around 1500 BC, it would be off topic to discuss the Exodus in this thread.

That's funny.
Since your god is the ONE AND ONLY TRUE god according to your book of fables.
Haven't you read it?
Yeah it's full of crap.

Bulproof wrote.......... That's funny.

Gentorev replies....... How happy that makes me feel, to know that I have brought a little laughter into your otherwise miserable life.

Bulproof wrote.......... Since your god is the ONE AND ONLY TRUE god according to your book of fables.

Gentorev replies.......God=elohim: God presides in the heavenly council, in the assembly of the gods he gives his decisions.
And God, (Jahel) Jah=lord --- el=the creator God ---"Jahel"=Lord to the glory of the creator.
And God, (Jahel,) said, "And now let "US" make man in "OUR" image, etc.
"elohim"=object of worship, there is only one God worthy of worship.

Bulproof wrote.......... Haven't you read it?:

Gentorev replies.......Oh yes, I have read the Holy Scriptures, even the limited canon that was established by the universal church of Emperor Constantine in the 4th century. But it is quite obvious that you have not.

Bulproof wrote.......... Yeah it's full of crap.

Gentorev replies.......No my poor ignorant (to the truths revealed in the Holy Scriptures), friend, in my short stay at this forum, I have found that it is the non-religious godless atheists who haunt this religious forum, who are full of --------.