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11/30/2014 7:58:02 PM
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{{{Creation Days Not the Same as 24-hour Earth Days}}}

Getting our parameters right begins with knowing beginnings, but more than that is being able to distinguish one beginning from the other. Most think that Day 1 of Creation is also Day 1 on Earth. The Bible explains that these two differ. It is on the fourth day of creation that the first earth day commenced.

GENESIS 1:16-19

16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: the stars also.

17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,

18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.

19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

The doubt that we have to solve is how vegetation could exist when the sun was made to bring light unto the earth only on the fourth day.

It is scientific knowledge that vegetation can exist for some time without the light of the sun upon which plants depend to produce their food by the process of photosynthesis. We must remember that it was on the third day of creation that God caused the appearing of dry land from the globe of waters, after which He caused vegetation to appear.

GENESIS 1:9-13

9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.

10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.

11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth:and it was so.

12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.

From these accounts, we understand that two great parts of creation happened on the third day: the appearing of the ground or the dry land, afterwards the appearing of vegetation. This is wonderfully scientific considering that the book of Genesis was written less than four thousand years ago, when people could hardly understand that vegetation is necessary to hold soil on its place and to prevent erosion! But the doubt is focused on this: why was the sun necessary for plant life made only the following day which is the fourth day?

As I mentioned earlier, there are plants that can exist for some time even without sunlight.

The possibility is that since vegetation and plant life were created at the end of the third day (of Creation), the sun was made to shine immediately at the start of the fourth day (Day 1 for Earth). This solves the scientific problem involved!

While it is true that the bud of a seed that grows tend to the direction of light, it is also true that the budding process can start without light. A seed planted below the surface of the soil where there is no light will grow.

REVISED STANDARD VERSION

I CORINTHIANS 15:36-38

36 You foolish man! What you sow does not come to life unless it dies.

37 And what you sow is not the body which is to be, but a bare kernel, perhaps of wheat or of some other grain.

38 But God gives it a body as he has chosen, and to each kind of seed its own body.

This will clearly erase the doubt in the mind of one who understands the truth in the Bible and in science, but certainly will be questioned by scoffers!

We must also consider that when God said, "Let the earth bring forth grass," he did not say "Let the dry land bring forth grass." When God said, "Let the earth bring forth grass," he meant the ground in dry land and the ground under the sea to bring forth plant life. It is worthwhile mentioning that "grass" " the plant life in the depths of the sea sustain most of marine creatures.

Back to Creation,at the dawn of the fifth day God said -

GENESIS 1:20

And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.

This is a very scientific chronology of the account of creation in Genesis! After plant life was caused by God to exist at the dusk of the third day and the sun to give light unto the earth immediately at the dawn of the fourth day, marine creatures were brought forth at the dusk of the fifth day! What a wonderful scientific narration, not found in any other book on earth! Here"s an excerpt describing the Earth before as "barren landscape"quoting researchers from Pennsylvania State University -

The earliest evidence of land plants and fungi appears in the fossil record around 480 million years ago. Before that, the Earth's landscape was believed to consist of barren rocks, home to bacteria and possibly some algae. But some have argued that it is quite possible for land-dwelling plants and fungi to have been around much earlier, but their primitive bodies were too soft to be preserved as fossils in rock. (http://news.bbc.co.uk...).

Science affirms - as do atheists guess - that marine life existed before land life. Richard Dawkins wrote that, being land-oriented now, one day he will go back to the sea. Dawkinsis a British evolutionary biologist.

I MUST GO DOWN TO THE SEA AGAIN

The move from water to land launched a major redesign of every aspect of life, from breathing to reproduction: it was a great trek through biological space. Nevertheless, with what seems almost wanton perversity, a good number of thoroughgoing land animals later turned around, abandoned their hard-earned terrestrial retooling, and trooped back into the water again. Seals and sea lions have only gone part-way back. (The Greatest Show on Earth by Richard Dawkins, Page 80).

THE START OF HUMAN LIFE

Note that marine life were brought forth first then land life.

GENESIS 1:24-25

24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.

25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

Animals like cattle and creeping things were made by God at the dawn of the sixth day of creation and humans towards the end of the sixth day. (Creeping things are on dry land, not in the sea). This allows millions of years of animal existence before mankind. This also solves doubt about the existence of dinosaurs millions of years before mankind! A day in creation is not a 24-hour day as other Bible apologists claim!

ISAIAH 66:8

Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.

The earth was not brought forth in one (1) earth-day! The First to the Fourth day of Creation happened before the sun was made to shinein the dome of the sky to light the earth, determining how an earth-day is made!

This is Part 4 of Possibilities and Impossibilities in the Bible.

More to come.
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11/30/2014 8:12:50 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/30/2014 7:58:02 PM, Bendido wrote:
{{{Creation Days Not the Same as 24-hour Earth Days}}}

Getting our parameters right begins with knowing beginnings, but more than that is being able to distinguish one beginning from the other. Most think that Day 1 of Creation is also Day 1 on Earth. The Bible explains that these two differ. It is on the fourth day of creation that the first earth day commenced.

GENESIS 1:16-19

16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: the stars also.

17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,

18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.

19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.




The doubt that we have to solve is how vegetation could exist when the sun was made to bring light unto the earth only on the fourth day.




It is scientific knowledge that vegetation can exist for some time without the light of the sun upon which plants depend to produce their food by the process of photosynthesis. We must remember that it was on the third day of creation that God caused the appearing of dry land from the globe of waters, after which He caused vegetation to appear.




GENESIS 1:9-13

9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.

10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.

11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth:and it was so.

12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.




From these accounts, we understand that two great parts of creation happened on the third day: the appearing of the ground or the dry land, afterwards the appearing of vegetation. This is wonderfully scientific considering that the book of Genesis was written less than four thousand years ago, when people could hardly understand that vegetation is necessary to hold soil on its place and to prevent erosion! But the doubt is focused on this: why was the sun necessary for plant life made only the following day which is the fourth day?




As I mentioned earlier, there are plants that can exist for some time even without sunlight.




The possibility is that since vegetation and plant life were created at the end of the third day (of Creation), the sun was made to shine immediately at the start of the fourth day (Day 1 for Earth). This solves the scientific problem involved!




While it is true that the bud of a seed that grows tend to the direction of light, it is also true that the budding process can start without light. A seed planted below the surface of the soil where there is no light will grow.




REVISED STANDARD VERSION

I CORINTHIANS 15:36-38

36 You foolish man! What you sow does not come to life unless it dies.

37 And what you sow is not the body which is to be, but a bare kernel, perhaps of wheat or of some other grain.

38 But God gives it a body as he has chosen, and to each kind of seed its own body.




This will clearly erase the doubt in the mind of one who understands the truth in the Bible and in science, but certainly will be questioned by scoffers!




We must also consider that when God said, "Let the earth bring forth grass," he did not say "Let the dry land bring forth grass." When God said, "Let the earth bring forth grass," he meant the ground in dry land and the ground under the sea to bring forth plant life. It is worthwhile mentioning that "grass" " the plant life in the depths of the sea sustain most of marine creatures.







Back to Creation,at the dawn of the fifth day God said -




GENESIS 1:20

And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.




This is a very scientific chronology of the account of creation in Genesis! After plant life was caused by God to exist at the dusk of the third day and the sun to give light unto the earth immediately at the dawn of the fourth day, marine creatures were brought forth at the dusk of the fifth day! What a wonderful scientific narration, not found in any other book on earth! Here"s an excerpt describing the Earth before as "barren landscape"quoting researchers from Pennsylvania State University -




The earliest evidence of land plants and fungi appears in the fossil record around 480 million years ago. Before that, the Earth's landscape was believed to consist of barren rocks, home to bacteria and possibly some algae. But some have argued that it is quite possible for land-dwelling plants and fungi to have been around much earlier, but their primitive bodies were too soft to be preserved as fossils in rock. (http://news.bbc.co.uk...).




Science affirms - as do atheists guess - that marine life existed before land life. Richard Dawkins wrote that, being land-oriented now, one day he will go back to the sea. Dawkinsis a British evolutionary biologist.




I MUST GO DOWN TO THE SEA AGAIN

The move from water to land launched a major redesign of every aspect of life, from breathing to reproduction: it was a great trek through biological space. Nevertheless, with what seems almost wanton perversity, a good number of thoroughgoing land animals later turned around, abandoned their hard-earned terrestrial retooling, and trooped back into the water again. Seals and sea lions have only gone part-way back. (The Greatest Show on Earth by Richard Dawkins, Page 80).




THE START OF HUMAN LIFE




Note that marine life were brought forth first then land life.




GENESIS 1:24-25

24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.

25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.




Animals like cattle and creeping things were made by God at the dawn of the sixth day of creation and humans towards the end of the sixth day. (Creeping things are on dry land, not in the sea). This allows millions of years of animal existence before mankind. This also solves doubt about the existence of dinosaurs millions of years before mankind! A day in creation is not a 24-hour day as other Bible apologists claim!




ISAIAH 66:8

Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.




The earth was not brought forth in one (1) earth-day! The First to the Fourth day of Creation happened before the sun was made to shinein the dome of the sky to light the earth, determining how an earth-day is made!




This is Part 4 of Possibilities and Impossibilities in the Bible.




More to come.

So then, how long do you believe, was the duration of each of the six creative days, and are we still in the seventh day of God's rest?
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11/30/2014 8:16:28 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 11/30/2014 7:58:02 PM, Bendido wrote:
{{{Creation Days Not the Same as 24-hour Earth Days}}}

Getting our parameters right begins with knowing beginnings, but more than that is being able to distinguish one beginning from the other. Most think that Day 1 of Creation is also Day 1 on Earth. The Bible explains that these two differ. It is on the fourth day of creation that the first earth day commenced.

You're ignoring what the Bible claims in an attempt to bring it into compliance with what science can show to be true. Are the "days" of creation literal, 24-hour days? Absolutely! If you'd read the Bible honestly, you'd note how vehemently Genesis emphasizes this point.

Genesis 1:5 "And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day."
Genesis 1:8 "And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day."
Genesis 1:13 "And the evening and the morning were the third day."
Genesis 1:19 "And the evening and the morning were the fourth day."
Genesis 1:23 "And the evening and the morning were the fifth day."
Genesis 1:31 "And the evening and the morning were the sixth day"

So there you have the Bible defining a "day" as the period between evening and morning (in accordance with Jewish tradition), SIX TIMES! And you blow it off because it doesn't fit with what you prefer to believe. Why would the author define it SIX TIMES in just 27-verses, if he wanted you to ignore it as you're doing?


The doubt that we have to solve is how vegetation could exist when the sun was made to bring light unto the earth only on the fourth day.

It is scientific knowledge that vegetation can exist for some time without the light of the sun upon which plants depend to produce their food by the process of photosynthesis. We must remember that it was on the third day of creation that God caused the appearing of dry land from the globe of waters, after which He caused vegetation to appear.
It is ALSO scientifically demonstrable that without the sun, the temperature on Earth would be roughly equal to the mean temperature of space ( - 454 degrees BELOW ZERO). it doesn't take an expert in agriculture to know that plants can't survive at such extreme cryogenic temperatures.

Try reading what the book says in stead of reading around what it says, and you'll realize it's a load of rubbish.
"If we believe absurdities we shall commit atrocities." -- Voltaire
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12/1/2014 12:57:12 AM
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At 11/30/2014 7:58:02 PM, Bendido wrote:
{{{Creation Days Not the Same as 24-hour Earth Days}}}


We live in a universe that eternally oscillates between the Big Bang, when the singularity of origin was torn asunder for the creation of the universe and the Big Crunch, where all that exists is condensed once again into the infinitely dense, infinitely hot, infinitesimally small singularity from which it originated.

According to other ancient cultures, including the ancient Hebrews, each period of universal activity is call a creative day.
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12/1/2014 2:00:34 AM
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In breaking news "salad days" are not of the same duration as the days when you are elderly. Time passes much more quickly as you age. It has been estimated that a "salad day" lasts 45 hours whereas a day in the twilight years flies past in just 9.5 hours.
--- wikipediaish
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12/1/2014 2:20:45 AM
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At 12/1/2014 12:57:12 AM, Gentorev wrote:
At 11/30/2014 7:58:02 PM, Bendido wrote:
{{{Creation Days Not the Same as 24-hour Earth Days}}}


We live in a universe that eternally oscillates between the Big Bang, when the singularity of origin was torn asunder for the creation of the universe and the Big Crunch, where all that exists is condensed once again into the infinitely dense, infinitely hot, infinitesimally small singularity from which it originated.

According to other ancient cultures, including the ancient Hebrews, each period of universal activity is call a creative day.

What does it have to do with ancient hebrews?
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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12/1/2014 2:24:27 AM
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At 12/1/2014 2:20:45 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 12/1/2014 12:57:12 AM, Gentorev wrote:
At 11/30/2014 7:58:02 PM, Bendido wrote:
{{{Creation Days Not the Same as 24-hour Earth Days}}}


We live in a universe that eternally oscillates between the Big Bang, when the singularity of origin was torn asunder for the creation of the universe and the Big Crunch, where all that exists is condensed once again into the infinitely dense, infinitely hot, infinitesimally small singularity from which it originated.

According to other ancient cultures, including the ancient Hebrews, each period of universal activity is call a creative day.

What does it have to do with ancient hebrews?

The days in heaven are much longer than the days on earth. This can scientifically be understood by the following information.

(http://www.enchantedlearning.com...).

Deuteronomy 11:21
That your days may be multiplied, and the days of your children, in the land which the LORD sware unto your fathers to give them, as the days of heaven upon the earth.

Examples...

Planets = Length of Day (Earth day)
Mercury = 58.65 earth days
Venus = 243 earth days
Mars = 24 hours, 39 minutes
Jupiter = 9 Hours, 56 minutes
Saturn = 10 hours, 39 minutes
Uranus = 17 hours, 14 minutes
Neptune = 16 hours, 7 minutes

Hence, the first day in Genesis is not an earth day, not twenty-four hours! Days on earth began when God created two great lights that will rule the day and night on earth and this happened on the fourth day of creation!
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12/1/2014 2:37:15 AM
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. . . . . . . . God did not leave the length of the creation days open to question. He told us the exact length of each day. In Exodus 20:11, He said that in "six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them and rested on the seventh day." The context of the statement is an emphatic command. God tells the people, "remember" and "keep" the Sabbath. God then tells them how to keep the Sabbath in their daily lives. The people can tell whether they are keeping the Sabbath if they are resting on the seventh day. God then anchors the reality of the present days to the reality of the past days of creation. God has set the pattern of Israel's work week. The "days" are the same kind of days that the people would have readily known. As it has been demonstrated previously, "day," used with a number, means a 24-hour day. It seems obvious that all throughout Israel's history, the people have understood this to mean a 24-hour day. Even those who hold to the long ages of Genesis 1 acknowledge the "days" of Exodus 20:8-11 to be 24-hour days.13 Therefore, the "days" of creation must also have been 24 hours in length.

CONCLUSION
What can we conclude concerning the length of the "days" of creation? The usage of the word "day," with a number, means a 24-hour period. The absence of the article does not alter that meaning. Further, the use of "evening" and "morning" indicates that normal time is meant in Genesis 1. God, Himself, said that the creation took only six days. We also must ask ourselves, did Moses and God deceive us by using the word "day," when it really was a long period of time? If our answer is yes, then we should not use the Bible for any of our beliefs. For, if God can deceive us concerning the events of creation, He might have done that in regards to the life, death, and resurrection of our Lord. The bottom line is that we then can have no confidence in God's Word, if the long-day view is held. It is far better to believe God at His Word, and take the creation days as 24-hour days.

((My emphasis) Source: The Meaning of "Day" in Genesis
by James Stambaugh, M.DIV. (http://www.icr.org...) )
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12/1/2014 2:42:36 AM
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At 12/1/2014 2:24:27 AM, Bendido wrote:
At 12/1/2014 2:20:45 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 12/1/2014 12:57:12 AM, Gentorev wrote:
At 11/30/2014 7:58:02 PM, Bendido wrote:
{{{Creation Days Not the Same as 24-hour Earth Days}}}


We live in a universe that eternally oscillates between the Big Bang, when the singularity of origin was torn asunder for the creation of the universe and the Big Crunch, where all that exists is condensed once again into the infinitely dense, infinitely hot, infinitesimally small singularity from which it originated.

According to other ancient cultures, including the ancient Hebrews, each period of universal activity is call a creative day.

What does it have to do with ancient hebrews?



The days in heaven are much longer than the days on earth. This can scientifically be understood by the following information.

(http://www.enchantedlearning.com...).

Deuteronomy 11:21
That your days may be multiplied, and the days of your children, in the land which the LORD sware unto your fathers to give them, as the days of heaven upon the earth.

Examples...

Planets = Length of Day (Earth day)
Mercury = 58.65 earth days
Venus = 243 earth days
Mars = 24 hours, 39 minutes
Jupiter = 9 Hours, 56 minutes
Saturn = 10 hours, 39 minutes
Uranus = 17 hours, 14 minutes
Neptune = 16 hours, 7 minutes

Hence, the first day in Genesis is not an earth day, not twenty-four hours! Days on earth began when God created two great lights that will rule the day and night on earth and this happened on the fourth day of creation!

This was my question
What does it have to do with ancient hebrews?
If you are going to respond then answer the question.
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12/1/2014 2:48:16 AM
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You miss a lot of the meaning, history and intentionality if you keep trying to fit the Bible to the facts of reality. The Bible is a lot more interesting if viewed as a collection of writings by men of a variety of different cultures,

The Genesis 'day' was almost certainly intended as an Earth-day when written in Genesis, since 'Yom' is by far most frequently used to indicate a 24 hour period (within the Tanahk, hundreds of such instances, and all meant 24 hr day). Moreover evening-morning is a black and white indicator that it meant a 24 hour period, since a day-age text would have it written the opposite way around (morning-evening) in Hebrew.

Now can we please stop trying to break our backs to fit the narrative to the facts of reality and just read it for what it is. Mythology.
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12/1/2014 3:14:28 AM
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At 12/1/2014 2:37:15 AM, Composer wrote:
. . . . . . . . God did not leave the length of the creation days open to question. He told us the exact length of each day. In Exodus 20:11, He said that in "six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them and rested on the seventh day." The context of the statement is an emphatic command. God tells the people, "remember" and "keep" the Sabbath. God then tells them how to keep the Sabbath in their daily lives. The people can tell whether they are keeping the Sabbath if they are resting on the seventh day. God then anchors the reality of the present days to the reality of the past days of creation. God has set the pattern of Israel's work week. The "days" are the same kind of days that the people would have readily known. As it has been demonstrated previously, "day," used with a number, means a 24-hour day. It seems obvious that all throughout Israel's history, the people have understood this to mean a 24-hour day. Even those who hold to the long ages of Genesis 1 acknowledge the "days" of Exodus 20:8-11 to be 24-hour days.13 Therefore, the "days" of creation must also have been 24 hours in length.

CONCLUSION
What can we conclude concerning the length of the "days" of creation? The usage of the word "day," with a number, means a 24-hour period. The absence of the article does not alter that meaning. Further, the use of "evening" and "morning" indicates that normal time is meant in Genesis 1. God, Himself, said that the creation took only six days. We also must ask ourselves, did Moses and God deceive us by using the word "day," when it really was a long period of time? If our answer is yes, then we should not use the Bible for any of our beliefs. For, if God can deceive us concerning the events of creation, He might have done that in regards to the life, death, and resurrection of our Lord. The bottom line is that we then can have no confidence in God's Word, if the long-day view is held. It is far better to believe God at His Word, and take the creation days as 24-hour days.

((My emphasis) Source: The Meaning of "Day" in Genesis
by James Stambaugh, M.DIV. (http://www.icr.org...) )


How can you say that creations is 24hours in earth...
The creation of sun and Moon only in the 4th Day...

Genesis 1:16-18
[16] And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
[17] And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
[18] And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
[19] And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

THAT IS IMPOSIBLE ...creations is 24hours in earth

ONE DAY OF GOD CONTAINS MANY SEASONS and YEARS...

2Peter 3:8
But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
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12/1/2014 3:20:12 AM
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At 12/1/2014 3:14:28 AM, Bendido wrote:
At 12/1/2014 2:37:15 AM, Composer wrote:
. . . . . . . . God did not leave the length of the creation days open to question. He told us the exact length of each day. In Exodus 20:11, He said that in "six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them and rested on the seventh day." The context of the statement is an emphatic command. God tells the people, "remember" and "keep" the Sabbath. God then tells them how to keep the Sabbath in their daily lives. The people can tell whether they are keeping the Sabbath if they are resting on the seventh day. God then anchors the reality of the present days to the reality of the past days of creation. God has set the pattern of Israel's work week. The "days" are the same kind of days that the people would have readily known. As it has been demonstrated previously, "day," used with a number, means a 24-hour day. It seems obvious that all throughout Israel's history, the people have understood this to mean a 24-hour day. Even those who hold to the long ages of Genesis 1 acknowledge the "days" of Exodus 20:8-11 to be 24-hour days.13 Therefore, the "days" of creation must also have been 24 hours in length.

CONCLUSION
What can we conclude concerning the length of the "days" of creation? The usage of the word "day," with a number, means a 24-hour period. The absence of the article does not alter that meaning. Further, the use of "evening" and "morning" indicates that normal time is meant in Genesis 1. God, Himself, said that the creation took only six days. We also must ask ourselves, did Moses and God deceive us by using the word "day," when it really was a long period of time? If our answer is yes, then we should not use the Bible for any of our beliefs. For, if God can deceive us concerning the events of creation, He might have done that in regards to the life, death, and resurrection of our Lord. The bottom line is that we then can have no confidence in God's Word, if the long-day view is held. It is far better to believe God at His Word, and take the creation days as 24-hour days.

((My emphasis) Source: The Meaning of "Day" in Genesis
by James Stambaugh, M.DIV. (http://www.icr.org...) )


How can you say that creations is 24hours in earth...
The creation of sun and Moon only in the 4th Day...
Yeah so your god got that wrong as well.
He didn't really know much did he?
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12/1/2014 3:27:55 AM
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At 12/1/2014 3:14:28 AM, Bendido wrote:
2Peter 3:8
But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
24 hour period is the same duration to all including the gods!

You are misreading . . . . as a thousand years . . . . as, IS a thousand years!

The claim that the gods live for eternity, hence a 24 hour period / DAY, isn't a long duration for them, nevertheless were they to literally exist, they must & would experience the same 24 hour period just as every other human person or creature does.

The Jewish DAY is explained as two x 12 hour periods!

Evening 12 hours + Morning 12 hours total 24 hours!

You stand corrected!
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12/1/2014 3:40:11 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/1/2014 3:27:55 AM, Composer wrote:
At 12/1/2014 3:14:28 AM, Bendido wrote:
2Peter 3:8
But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
24 hour period is the same duration to all including the gods!

You are misreading . . . . as a thousand years . . . . as, IS a thousand years!

The claim that the gods live for eternity, hence a 24 hour period / DAY, isn't a long duration for them, nevertheless were they to literally exist, they must & would experience the same 24 hour period just as every other human person or creature does.

The Jewish DAY is explained as two x 12 hour periods!

Evening 12 hours + Morning 12 hours total 24 hours!

You stand corrected!

"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." This is the most read part of the Bible because it is the very first verse of the very first book of the Bible. "And the earth was without form and void"." This implies that at this moment in time the heavens were already formed and inhabited but the earth is yet to be formed. Can we find a proof in the Bible that the heavens were already formed and inhabited while the earth is yet to be formed?

Job.38:4-7

Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.

Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?

Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;

When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

There were already sons of God shouting for joy when God started to lay the foundations of the earth. These sons of God are angels who were created and have been in existence before the foundation of the earth.

LUKE 20:35-36 (Revised Standard Version)

But those who are accounted worthy to attain to that age and to the resurrection from the dead neither marry nor are given in marriage,

For they cannot die any more, because they are equal to angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection.

Angels and other beings like the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders are some of the inhabitants of heavens.

REVELATION 12:12

Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

Bro. Eliseo Soriano

Moses in his inspired writing did not elaborate on how the "heavens" were created and were filled with inhabitants but something is sure: the heavens were not made in a 24-hour day period.

When God created the heavens, there were no angels yet! Logic dictates that before God created man, he prepared first his dwelling place. The heavens, which would be the abode of angels, were created first before its inhabitants. We must not forget at this juncture, that when God began forming the formless earth, the heavens were already formed and not empty!

Another thing to consider is that God had His "works of old" before He formed the heavens and the earth! This may not be known to most doctors of theology but it is written in the Bible.

PROVERBS 8:22-31

The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.

I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.

When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water.

Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth:

While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world.

When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth:

When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep:

When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth:

Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him;

Rejoicing in the habitable part of his earth; and my delights were with the sons of men.

One of the oldest works of God is "His earth" where He dwells with His son! Here is another Biblical logic: God worked first on His and His son"s dwelling place.

The abode of God is not our earth but "His earth," one of His "works of old".

JOHN 14:1-3

Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.

In my Father"s house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

If the abode of God where He would dwell with His people is this earth like the claim of the Jehovah"s Witnesses, then the Lord Jesus should not have said that He will go and prepare a place for the elect and come back to receive them, that where He is, they may be also! The abode of God is a place that was created and prepared by God before the foundation of our earth.

MATTHEW 25:34 (CONTEMPORARY ENGLISH VERSION)

Then the king will say to those on his right, " My father has blessed you! Come and receive the kingdom that was prepared for you before the world was created.

There are those who say (like the Jehovah"s Witnesses and those of the Seventh Day Adventist Church) that the earth and the entire universe are just a little over 6,000 years old, created within seven 24-hour day period. Some even assert that God does not create gradually.
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12/1/2014 3:54:17 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
The Holy Bible, as a book written many millennia before our time, is a book that teaches us possibilities and impossibilities. A reckless reader may at once judge ignorantly that the Bible is unscientific, full of errors, fictitious, and unacceptable to the scientific mind!

There are things written in the Bible that at first glance may appear to be non-sense to one but intriguing to others. Having an evening and morning on "the first day" of creation, for example, while the sun and the moon were yet to be made on the fourth day is very easily dismissed by the enemies of the Bible as something stupid and unscientific!

GENESIS 1:3-5
3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

In the aforementioned verses, there isn"t any problem, but on Verse 14 of the same chapter, the Bible says "

GENESIS 1:14-19
14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: the stars also.
17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

The common question that comes from common understanding of people reading these verses is this: How can there be an evening and morning on the first day when the sun, the moon and the stars were made only on the fourth day?

And thus, a prejudicial judgment is rendered upon the one and only book on this planet that describes the origin of its existence and the teeming multitude of life in it!

Possibilities and impossibilities " incidental, scientific facts, (discovered and yet to be discovered) must be collectively considered in order to pass on a fair and equitable judgment upon the Bible before concluding that it is unscientific or not. Possibilities must be considered in harmony with past, present, and expected possibilities in the future, in the same manner that impossibilities " past, present and future " can be used as tools in analyzing the recorded stories, histories and beliefs written in the Bible.
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12/1/2014 4:24:54 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/1/2014 2:42:36 AM, bulproof wrote....... This was my question
What does it have to do with ancient hebrews?
If you are going to respond then answer the question.

Gentorev wrote.........For the benefit of the godless who are ignorant to the truths as revealed in the Scriptures, let me here repeat.

In the beginning God created the universe=heavens and earth, and the earth was formless and void and darkness was upon the face of the deep and God"s active force was moving on the face of the waters.

In the beginning, there was the "BIG BANG" which spatially separated the infinitely dense, infinitely hot, infinitesimally small singularity, which event spewed out liquid like (the waters) electromagnetic energy in the trillions of degrees, it was from the quantum of that liquid like electromagnetic energy (Waters) that the earth and all the heavenly bodies would be created, and although, all that the earth was created from, was already there in the beginning, the earth at that time of the development of the universe, had neither shape=formless nor mass=void, and no suns had yet come into existence to light up the darkness of the expanding space=bottomless pit, but there was momentum within that ever cooling cosmic cloud of wave particles which are the quantum of that liquid like electromagnetic energy, which waves have zero mass and no electric charge, yet they carry angular and linear momentum.

One would expect, that those wave particles which are the quantum of the liquid like (Waters) electromagnetic energy, would have continued to expand further and further away from each other in the expansion of the universal building material, but with the momentum of those waves they collided with each other in the creation of the first sub-atomic particles, which themselves were attracted to each other in the creation of the first basic atoms.

As the universal temperature dropped to some billions of degrees, the dark energy which was the expansion"s acceleration force, began to form into dark matter, hydrogen and helium, with trace quantities of lithium, beryllium, and boron. As the universe expanded and cooled, more hydrogen molecules were formed, and from these, after some thirty million years of attraction, came the formation of the first generation stars.

And God said, "Let there be light. "

With the creation of the first generation stars, the first period of cosmic darkness came to an end, and God called the light of those first generation stars, "DAY."

The only way that darkness could descend once again was for those first generation star to go out, which they did and then came the evening that God called "NIGHT".

Your 24 hour day came into existence with the creation of our sun in the fourth creative day.

According to the ancient cultures, we live in an eternal oscillating universe that expands outward and contracts back to its beginning in space time, a living universal being who is all that exists, and in who, all that is, exists. A living universal being who exists in the two states of visible matter and invisible energy.

"Universe after universe is like an interminable succession of wheels forever coming into view, forever rolling onwards, disappearing and reappearing; forever passing from being to non being, and again from non being to being. In short, the constant revolving of the wheel of life in one eternal cycle, according to fixed and immutable laws, is perhaps after all the sum and substance of the philosophy of Buddhism. And this eternal wheel has so to speak, six spokes representing six forms of existence." ---- Mon. Williams, Buddhism, pp. 229, 122.

The days and nights of Brahma are called Manvantara, or the cycle of manifestation, "The Great Day," which is a period of universal activity, that is preceded, and also followed by "Pralaya," a dark period, which to our finite minds seems as an eternity. "Manvantara," is a creative day as seen in the six days of creation in Genesis, "Pralaya," is the evening that proceeds the next creative day.

The ancient Hebrew's six periods of Creation and the seventh day of rest in which we now exist are referred to in the book of Genesis as the "GENERATIONS OF THE UNIVERSE."

The English word "Generation," is translated from the Hebrew "toledoth" which is used in the Old Testament in every instance as "births," or "descendants," such as "These are the generations of Adam," or "these are the generations of Abraham, and Genesis 2: 4; These are the generations of the Universe or the heavens and earth, etc. And the "Great Day" in which the seven generations of the universe are eternally repeated, is the eternal cosmic period, or the eighth eternal day in which those who attain to perfection are allowed to enter, where they shall be surrounded by great light and they shall experience eternal peace, while those who do not attain to perfection are cast back into the refining fires of the seven physical cycles that perpetually revolve within the eighth eternal cosmic cycle.

And so my dear godless atheists, the ancient Hebrew writings, clearly state that the six creative day are six generations of the universe.
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12/1/2014 4:43:16 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/1/2014 3:27:55 AM, Composer wrote:
At 12/1/2014 3:14:28 AM, Bendido wrote:
2Peter 3:8
But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
24 hour period is the same duration to all including the gods!

You are misreading . . . . as a thousand years . . . . as, IS a thousand years!

The claim that the gods live for eternity, hence a 24 hour period / DAY, isn't a long duration for them, nevertheless were they to literally exist, they must & would experience the same 24 hour period just as every other human person or creature does.

The Jewish DAY is explained as two x 12 hour periods!

Evening 12 hours + Morning 12 hours total 24 hours!

You stand corrected!

The 12 hours of darkness and the 12 hours of light, did not come into existence, until our sun was created on the fourth creative day.

A day can simply mean a period of time. The DAY that the Lord God our saviour has fixed, in which He will judge the whole world with Justice, is "The Day of the Lord," the Sabbath Day, or the seventh period of one thousand years, the seventh day from the first day in which Adam ate of the forbidden fruit and died in that day at the age of 930.

From the Book of Jubilees 4: 30; "And He (Adam) lacked seventy years of one thousand years; for one thousand years are as one day in the testimony of the heavens and therefore was it written concerning the tree of knowledge: "On the day thou eat thereof ye shall die." For this reason Adam did not complete the years of that first day; for He died during it."

We are now at the close of the sixth day, or the sixth period of one thousand years from that first day that Adam ate of the forbidden fruit, and died in that first day at the age of 930.
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12/1/2014 6:09:12 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/1/2014 3:27:55 AM, Composer wrote:
At 12/1/2014 3:14:28 AM, Bendido wrote:
2Peter 3:8
But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
24 hour period is the same duration to all including the gods!

You are misreading . . . . as a thousand years . . . . as, IS a thousand years!

The claim that the gods live for eternity, hence a 24 hour period / DAY, isn't a long duration for them, nevertheless were they to literally exist, they must & would experience the same 24 hour period just as every other human person or creature does.

The Jewish DAY is explained as two x 12 hour periods!

Evening 12 hours + Morning 12 hours total 24 hours!

You stand corrected!

At 12/1/2014 3:40:11 AM, Bendido wrote:
"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." This is the most read part of the Bible because it is the very first verse of the very first book of the Bible. "And the earth was without form and void"." This implies that at this moment in time the heavens were already formed and inhabited but the earth is yet to be formed. Can we find a proof in the Bible that the heavens were already formed and inhabited while the earth is yet to be formed?

Job.38:4-7

Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.

Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?

Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;

When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

There were already sons of God shouting for joy when God started to lay the foundations of the earth. These sons of God are angels who were created and have been in existence before the foundation of the earth.

LUKE 20:35-36 (Revised Standard Version)

But those who are accounted worthy to attain to that age and to the resurrection from the dead neither marry nor are given in marriage,

For they cannot die any more, because they are equal to angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection.

Angels and other beings like the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders are some of the inhabitants of heavens.

REVELATION 12:12

Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.


Bro. Eliseo Soriano

Moses in his inspired writing did not elaborate on how the "heavens" were created and were filled with inhabitants but something is sure: the heavens were not made in a 24-hour day period.

When God created the heavens, there were no angels yet! Logic dictates that before God created man, he prepared first his dwelling place. The heavens, which would be the abode of angels, were created first before its inhabitants. We must not forget at this juncture, that when God began forming the formless earth, the heavens were already formed and not empty!

Another thing to consider is that God had His "works of old" before He formed the heavens and the earth! This may not be known to most doctors of theology but it is written in the Bible.

PROVERBS 8:22-31

The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.

I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.

When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water.

Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth:

While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world.

When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth:

When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep:

When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth:

Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him;

Rejoicing in the habitable part of his earth; and my delights were with the sons of men.

One of the oldest works of God is "His earth" where He dwells with His son! Here is another Biblical logic: God worked first on His and His son"s dwelling place.

The abode of God is not our earth but "His earth," one of His "works of old".

JOHN 14:1-3

Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.

In my Father"s house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

If the abode of God where He would dwell with His people is this earth like the claim of the Jehovah"s Witnesses, then the Lord Jesus should not have said that He will go and prepare a place for the elect and come back to receive them, that where He is, they may be also! The abode of God is a place that was created and prepared by God before the foundation of our earth.

MATTHEW 25:34 (CONTEMPORARY ENGLISH VERSION)

Then the king will say to those on his right, " My father has blessed you! Come and receive the kingdom that was prepared for you before the world was created.

There are those who say (like the Jehovah"s Witnesses and those of the Seventh Day Adventist Church) that the earth and the entire universe are just a little over 6,000 years old, created within seven 24-hour day period. Some even assert that God does not create gradually.

There are NO literal Supernatural gods!

We are examining another Story book, albeit a religious one!

We are NOT interested in how the Story book heaven's were made.

The subject is the meaning of DAY!

You have already been corrected but I'll add one more final nail to your coffin!

The scholarship is clear. The writer of Genesis 1"2 meant the text to teach chronology in terms of normal days. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Nobody has provided me with answers that point to anything but a traditional view of the original meaning. Anyone who says that a closer study of the Hebrew leads elsewhere is simply incorrect. The original intent is plain"a day was a day, from the very first miraculous day.

Dr. Jud Davis is the Associate Professor of Greek at Bryan College. Dr. Davis earned his PhD in biblical studies from the University of Sheffield in England. He has also written the book The Name and Way of the Lord: Old Testament Themes, New Testament Christology.
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