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12/1/2014 5:36:34 PM
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How does anyone especially a loving God justify someone being literally damned forever in hell how is any human folly worth that
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12/1/2014 5:38:39 PM
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At 12/1/2014 5:36:34 PM, ask21771 wrote:
How does anyone especially a loving God justify someone being literally damned forever in hell how is any human folly worth that

In my opinion heaven and hell are failed attempts to deal with the problem of evil.
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12/1/2014 6:06:20 PM
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At 12/1/2014 5:59:53 PM, LifeMeansGodIsGood wrote:
What is your justifcation for existence if you are against your Creator?

<yawn>

... this forum really needs an ignore list

</yawn>
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12/1/2014 6:08:44 PM
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At 12/1/2014 5:59:53 PM, LifeMeansGodIsGood wrote:
What is your justifcation for existence if you are against your Creator?

We are flawed beings by nature
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12/1/2014 6:11:32 PM
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At 12/1/2014 6:08:44 PM, ask21771 wrote:
At 12/1/2014 5:59:53 PM, LifeMeansGodIsGood wrote:
What is your justifcation for existence if you are against your Creator?

We are flawed beings by nature

Your existence is justified because nature made you a mess? That's your excuse for not being in Hell?
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12/1/2014 6:14:23 PM
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At 12/1/2014 6:06:20 PM, Jayhawker_Soule wrote:
At 12/1/2014 5:59:53 PM, LifeMeansGodIsGood wrote:
What is your justifcation for existence if you are against your Creator?

... this forum really needs an ignore list

Does God keep an ignore list? Let me referr you to my forum topic...Does God ignore atheists? http://www.debate.org...
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12/1/2014 6:17:02 PM
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At 12/1/2014 6:11:32 PM, LifeMeansGodIsGood wrote:
At 12/1/2014 6:08:44 PM, ask21771 wrote:
At 12/1/2014 5:59:53 PM, LifeMeansGodIsGood wrote:
What is your justifcation for existence if you are against your Creator?

We are flawed beings by nature

Your existence is justified because nature made you a mess? That's your excuse for not being in Hell?

My excuse is that hell is too much of a punishment for anyone
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12/1/2014 6:44:50 PM
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At 12/1/2014 6:14:23 PM, LifeMeansGodIsGood wrote:

Does God keep an ignore list? Let me referr you to my forum topic...Does God ignore atheists? http://www.debate.org...

Your silly attempt at apologetics bares an uncanny resemblance to a bobble-head doll. It's rather cute.
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12/1/2014 6:50:43 PM
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Furthermore how are those people being burned in hell productive what does it do I mean the sins aren't wiped away
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12/1/2014 6:56:33 PM
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At 12/1/2014 5:36:34 PM, ask21771 wrote:
How does anyone especially a loving God justify someone being literally damned forever in hell how is any human folly worth that

I see that you are another who is ignorant as to the words that are recorded in the bible.

The first death is that of the physical body, the second death is that of the spirit.

Read Revelation 21: 8; "The place for the wicked is the lake burning with fire and sulfur; which is the second death."

No eternal torment my friend, with the second death comes total oblivion.

You will find in Revelation 20: 10; that the Devil, the Beastt and the False Prophet are the only ones who will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
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12/1/2014 7:13:13 PM
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At 12/1/2014 5:36:34 PM, ask21771 wrote:
How does anyone especially a loving God justify someone being literally damned forever in hell how is any human folly worth that

The same way as Life justifies itself for sending everyone to the grave.
Folly has nothing to do with it. The fools go to the same place as the wise go. They all end up as dust in a grave.
The word hell ( sheowl) means grave.
The dead remain there, buried in their graves, forever.
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12/1/2014 7:15:10 PM
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At 12/1/2014 6:56:33 PM, Gentorev wrote:
At 12/1/2014 5:36:34 PM, ask21771 wrote:
How does anyone especially a loving God justify someone being literally damned forever in hell how is any human folly worth that

I see that you are another who is ignorant as to the words that are recorded in the bible.

The first death is that of the physical body, the second death is that of the spirit.

Read Revelation 21: 8; "The place for the wicked is the lake burning with fire and sulfur; which is the second death."

No eternal torment my friend, with the second death comes total oblivion.

You will find in Revelation 20: 10; that the Devil, the Beastt and the False Prophet are the only ones who will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

That's still completely unfair
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12/1/2014 7:16:41 PM
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At 12/1/2014 5:38:39 PM, Jayhawker_Soule wrote:
At 12/1/2014 5:36:34 PM, ask21771 wrote:
How does anyone especially a loving God justify someone being literally damned forever in hell how is any human folly worth that

In my opinion heaven and hell are failed attempts to deal with the problem of evil.

Evil would not be a problem if humans stopped practicing it.
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12/1/2014 7:18:13 PM
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At 12/1/2014 6:08:44 PM, ask21771 wrote:
At 12/1/2014 5:59:53 PM, LifeMeansGodIsGood wrote:
What is your justifcation for existence if you are against your Creator?

We are flawed beings by nature

What flaw do you have in your nature?
I have none in mine. Mine is perfectly balanced between good and evil.
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12/1/2014 7:29:00 PM
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At 12/1/2014 6:56:33 PM, Gentorev wrote:
At 12/1/2014 5:36:34 PM, ask21771 wrote:
How does anyone especially a loving God justify someone being literally damned forever in hell how is any human folly worth that

I see that you are another who is ignorant as to the words that are recorded in the bible.

The first death is that of the physical body, the second death is that of the spirit.

Read Revelation 21: 8; "The place for the wicked is the lake burning with fire and sulfur; which is the second death."

No eternal torment my friend, with the second death comes total oblivion.

You will find in Revelation 20: 10; that the Devil, the Beastt and the False Prophet are the only ones who will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Amazing how these mythical characters get tormented for all eternity but humans do not. Humans rest in peace in the grave ( sheowl, hell)
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12/1/2014 7:30:22 PM
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At 12/1/2014 7:16:41 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 12/1/2014 5:38:39 PM, Jayhawker_Soule wrote:
At 12/1/2014 5:36:34 PM, ask21771 wrote:
How does anyone especially a loving God justify someone being literally damned forever in hell how is any human folly worth that

In my opinion heaven and hell are failed attempts to deal with the problem of evil.

Evil would not be a problem if humans stopped practicing it.

Was that suppose to be cute or clever?
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12/1/2014 8:04:16 PM
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At 12/1/2014 7:30:22 PM, Jayhawker_Soule wrote:
At 12/1/2014 7:16:41 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 12/1/2014 5:38:39 PM, Jayhawker_Soule wrote:
At 12/1/2014 5:36:34 PM, ask21771 wrote:
How does anyone especially a loving God justify someone being literally damned forever in hell how is any human folly worth that

In my opinion heaven and hell are failed attempts to deal with the problem of evil.

Evil would not be a problem if humans stopped practicing it.

Was that suppose to be cute or clever?

It is what it is. Judge it any way you want.

Is it good or evil to preach and teach false doctrines? Religions do it all the time and call it good.
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12/1/2014 8:11:14 PM
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At 12/1/2014 8:04:16 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 12/1/2014 7:30:22 PM, Jayhawker_Soule wrote:
At 12/1/2014 7:16:41 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 12/1/2014 5:38:39 PM, Jayhawker_Soule wrote:
At 12/1/2014 5:36:34 PM, ask21771 wrote:
How does anyone especially a loving God justify someone being literally damned forever in hell how is any human folly worth that

In my opinion heaven and hell are failed attempts to deal with the problem of evil.

Evil would not be a problem if humans stopped practicing it.

Was that suppose to be cute or clever?

It is what it is. Judge it any way you want.

Is it good or evil to preach and teach false doctrines? Religions do it all the time and call it good.

And I suppose you know which doctrines are false and not
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12/1/2014 8:12:07 PM
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At 12/1/2014 7:18:13 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 12/1/2014 6:08:44 PM, ask21771 wrote:
At 12/1/2014 5:59:53 PM, LifeMeansGodIsGood wrote:
What is your justifcation for existence if you are against your Creator?

We are flawed beings by nature

What flaw do you have in your nature?
I have none in mine. Mine is perfectly balanced between good and evil.

You realize you're statement reeks of vanity
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12/1/2014 9:04:25 PM
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At 12/1/2014 6:17:02 PM, ask21771 wrote:
At 12/1/2014 6:11:32 PM, LifeMeansGodIsGood wrote:
At 12/1/2014 6:08:44 PM, ask21771 wrote:
At 12/1/2014 5:59:53 PM, LifeMeansGodIsGood wrote:
What is your justifcation for existence if you are against your Creator?

We are flawed beings by nature

Your existence is justified because nature made you a mess? That's your excuse for not being in Hell?

My excuse is that hell is too much of a punishment for anyone

Well I guess I can't argue with you on that......if it were not too much, it would not be too bad to end up there.

So what is your choice for punishment? You are already being executed. Do you deserve it? Do you deserve to die? Is your death just punishment? What have you done that you must die? Or is it only nature which made you a mess and you are innocent?
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12/1/2014 9:34:41 PM
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At 12/1/2014 9:04:25 PM, LifeMeansGodIsGood wrote:
At 12/1/2014 6:17:02 PM, ask21771 wrote:
At 12/1/2014 6:11:32 PM, LifeMeansGodIsGood wrote:
At 12/1/2014 6:08:44 PM, ask21771 wrote:
At 12/1/2014 5:59:53 PM, LifeMeansGodIsGood wrote:
What is your justifcation for existence if you are against your Creator?

We are flawed beings by nature

Your existence is justified because nature made you a mess? That's your excuse for not being in Hell?

My excuse is that hell is too much of a punishment for anyone

Well I guess I can't argue with you on that......if it were not too much, it would not be too bad to end up there.

So what is your choice for punishment? You are already being executed. Do you deserve it? Do you deserve to die? Is your death just punishment? What have you done that you must die? Or is it only nature which made you a mess and you are innocent?

I think it shouldn't get any worse then limbo or purgatory
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12/1/2014 10:06:43 PM
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At 12/1/2014 8:11:14 PM, ask21771 wrote:
At 12/1/2014 8:04:16 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 12/1/2014 7:30:22 PM, Jayhawker_Soule wrote:
At 12/1/2014 7:16:41 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 12/1/2014 5:38:39 PM, Jayhawker_Soule wrote:
At 12/1/2014 5:36:34 PM, ask21771 wrote:
How does anyone especially a loving God justify someone being literally damned forever in hell how is any human folly worth that

In my opinion heaven and hell are failed attempts to deal with the problem of evil.

Evil would not be a problem if humans stopped practicing it.

Was that suppose to be cute or clever?

It is what it is. Judge it any way you want.

Is it good or evil to preach and teach false doctrines? Religions do it all the time and call it good.

And I suppose you know which doctrines are false and not

All doctrines which teach people to believe in mythical characters are false. They are as false and as deceptive as teaching children that fairies are real.

Anyone who teaches fiction as fact is a liar.
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12/1/2014 10:14:51 PM
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At 12/1/2014 10:06:43 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 12/1/2014 8:11:14 PM, ask21771 wrote:
At 12/1/2014 8:04:16 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 12/1/2014 7:30:22 PM, Jayhawker_Soule wrote:
At 12/1/2014 7:16:41 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 12/1/2014 5:38:39 PM, Jayhawker_Soule wrote:
At 12/1/2014 5:36:34 PM, ask21771 wrote:
How does anyone especially a loving God justify someone being literally damned forever in hell how is any human folly worth that

In my opinion heaven and hell are failed attempts to deal with the problem of evil.

Evil would not be a problem if humans stopped practicing it.

Was that suppose to be cute or clever?

It is what it is. Judge it any way you want.

Is it good or evil to preach and teach false doctrines? Religions do it all the time and call it good.

And I suppose you know which doctrines are false and not

All doctrines which teach people to believe in mythical characters are false. They are as false and as deceptive as teaching children that fairies are real.

Anyone who teaches fiction as fact is a liar.
And priests?
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12/1/2014 10:39:13 PM
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At 12/1/2014 8:12:07 PM, ask21771 wrote:
At 12/1/2014 7:18:13 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 12/1/2014 6:08:44 PM, ask21771 wrote:
At 12/1/2014 5:59:53 PM, LifeMeansGodIsGood wrote:
What is your justifcation for existence if you are against your Creator?

We are flawed beings by nature

What flaw do you have in your nature?
I have none in mine. Mine is perfectly balanced between good and evil.

You realize you're statement reeks of vanity

Call it whatever you like. Truth is truth regardless of what else you call it.
According to scripture, all people were created in the image of God who is supposedly perfect. If a perfect being created humans in his own image, don't you think the humans would also be perfect?
If an imperfect entity created humans in his own image then the humans would also be imperfect or "as perfect as the Father is perfect". Not more perfect or less perfect but equal in perfection to their creators.
You cannot end up with imperfection as an image of perfection. Any image of something perfect (whole) is an image of perfection. I am whole as far as I am aware. I lack nothing. I am not sick. I am not disabled in any way.
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12/1/2014 10:55:20 PM
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At 12/1/2014 10:14:51 PM, ask21771 wrote:
At 12/1/2014 10:06:43 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 12/1/2014 8:11:14 PM, ask21771 wrote:
At 12/1/2014 8:04:16 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 12/1/2014 7:30:22 PM, Jayhawker_Soule wrote:
At 12/1/2014 7:16:41 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 12/1/2014 5:38:39 PM, Jayhawker_Soule wrote:
At 12/1/2014 5:36:34 PM, ask21771 wrote:
How does anyone especially a loving God justify someone being literally damned forever in hell how is any human folly worth that

In my opinion heaven and hell are failed attempts to deal with the problem of evil.

Evil would not be a problem if humans stopped practicing it.

Was that suppose to be cute or clever?

It is what it is. Judge it any way you want.

Is it good or evil to preach and teach false doctrines? Religions do it all the time and call it good.

And I suppose you know which doctrines are false and not

All doctrines which teach people to believe in mythical characters are false. They are as false and as deceptive as teaching children that fairies are real.

Anyone who teaches fiction as fact is a liar.
And priests?
It was the priests in the bible stories who wanted Jesus crucified as they hated him and thought he was evil and of the devil.
Priests today still do the same thing to the TRUTH. They see any messenger who tells them they are hypocrites and their Father is the devil as evil and don't want to believe a word of what they say. They don't want to believe they are worshiping any false gods or creating idols in the image of mankind but they are. All invisible supernatural gods are mythical. They exist only in the imaginations of those who believe in them.

The Catholic church for example is filled with idols. They pray to their saints and ask them to pray for them and they pray to Mary the "mother of God" as well as to Jesus the "son of God". They are extremely confused people who make money from ancient superstitions.
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12/2/2014 1:22:56 AM
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At 12/1/2014 5:36:34 PM, ask21771 wrote:
How does anyone especially a loving God justify someone being literally damned forever in hell how is any human folly worth that

There's no such place called hell where bad people go after the body dies. All the flesh of man are wicked, therefore, all flesh will perish during this first age. Only the spirit of man remains in the spirit of God, which is invisible vibrations that contains His thoughts.

Psalm 92
5: How great are thy works, O LORD! Thy thoughts are very deep!
6: The dull man cannot know, the stupid cannot understand this:

Psalm 139
17: How precious to me are thy thoughts, O God! How vast is the sum of them!
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12/2/2014 3:20:04 AM
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At 12/1/2014 7:29:00 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 12/1/2014 6:56:33 PM, Gentorev wrote:
At 12/1/2014 5:36:34 PM, ask21771 wrote:
How does anyone especially a loving God justify someone being literally damned forever in hell how is any human folly worth that

I see that you are another who is ignorant as to the words that are recorded in the bible.

The first death is that of the physical body, the second death is that of the spirit.

Read Revelation 21: 8; "The place for the wicked is the lake burning with fire and sulfur; which is the second death."

No eternal torment my friend, with the second death comes total oblivion.

You will find in Revelation 20: 10; that the Devil, the Beastt and the False Prophet are the only ones who will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Amazing how these mythical characters get tormented for all eternity but humans do not. Humans rest in peace in the grave ( sheowl, hell)

Not all humans, only those who reject life after the death of the body in which they, "The Spirit=mind" are currently developing, and those who have proved themselves to be unfit to live in a decent society.
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12/2/2014 9:54:48 AM
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At 12/2/2014 3:20:04 AM, Gentorev wrote:
At 12/1/2014 7:29:00 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 12/1/2014 6:56:33 PM, Gentorev wrote:
At 12/1/2014 5:36:34 PM, ask21771 wrote:
How does anyone especially a loving God justify someone being literally damned forever in hell how is any human folly worth that

I see that you are another who is ignorant as to the words that are recorded in the bible.

The first death is that of the physical body, the second death is that of the spirit.

Read Revelation 21: 8; "The place for the wicked is the lake burning with fire and sulfur; which is the second death."

No eternal torment my friend, with the second death comes total oblivion.

You will find in Revelation 20: 10; that the Devil, the Beastt and the False Prophet are the only ones who will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Amazing how these mythical characters get tormented for all eternity but humans do not. Humans rest in peace in the grave ( sheowl, hell)

Not all humans, only those who reject life after the death of the body in which they, "The Spirit=mind" are currently developing, and those who have proved themselves to be unfit to live in a decent society.

And what kind of people are unfit to live in a decent society
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12/2/2014 12:36:04 PM
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At 12/1/2014 5:36:34 PM, ask21771 wrote:
How does anyone especially a loving God justify someone being literally damned forever in hell how is any human folly worth that

If person don"t want to be with God, isn"t it good that he can go to the godless reality?