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Was Jesus really crucified?

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12/7/2014 1:18:24 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
"And They say, none shall enter Paradise Unless he be a Jew or Christian' Those are their vain desires. Say: Produce your proof if ye are truthful." [Quran, 2:111]

Christians proof is Bible. So we have to look at bible for their claiming.

Now Let us read the bible:

***1. Psalms 91 DIRECTLY prophecied that Jesus will not be crucified:

For the Scripture say, "He will order His angels to protect and guard you." [luke 4:10]

"And they will hold you up with their hands so you wont even hurt your foot on a stone." [luke 4:11]

Jesus responded, "The scripture ALSO SAY, you must not test the lord ur God." [Luke 4:12]

How satan referred to psalm 91 regarding the protection of Jesus?

How Jesus confirmed that Psalm 91 chapter was indeed speaking about him by saying >>the scripture "ALSO" says.

Also the new testament, again, confirms that Psalm 91 is referring to Jesus christ.

Now let on look psalms 91:

"SURELY HE WILL SAVE YOU from the fowler's snare and from the deadly pestilence." [Psalm 91:3]

Meaning God will SAVE Jesus from the deadly pestilence(psalm 91:3)

"HE WILL COVER YOU with his feathers, and under his wings u will find refuge; his faithfulness will be ur shield and rampart." [Psalm 91:4]

Meaning GOD almighty will cover Jesus with His Protection. (psalm 91:4)

We know from the gospel that God sent His angel to strengthen him.

"An Angel from heaven appeared to Jesus and strengthened him." [luke 22:43]

Why God sent His angel to strengthen jesus? The only answer is God will protect Jesus and thats why.

Next prophecy says:

"YOU WILL NOT FEAR the terror of night, nor the arrow that files by day." [Psalm 91:5]

MEANING Christ will then not have any fear to him.

"YOU WILL ONLY OBSERVE WITH YOUR EYES AND SEE THE PUNISHMENT OF THE WICKED." [psalm 91:8]

Meaning Christ will then observe with his own eyes the punishment of the crucified ones. We know from the gospel that two thiefs were also crucified. Jesus observed that.

Next prophecy says:

"THEN NO HARM WILL BEFALL YOU, no disaster will come near ur tent." [Psalm 91:10]

"FOR GOD WILL COMMAND HIS ANGELS CONCERNING U TO GUARD U IN ALL UR WAYS." [Psalm 91:11]

"ANGELS WILL LIFT YOU UP IN THEIR HANDS, SO THAT U WILL NOT STRIKE UR FOOT AGAINST A STONE." [Psalm 91:12]

"because he lovers me," says the Lord, "I WILL RESCUE HIM; I WILL PROTECT HIM." [Psalm 91:14]

Meaning God Almighty will send down the Angels to protect Jesus and lift him. (psalm 91:11-12, 14) These verses is very clear that God will protect Jesus.

Also in the gospel, an angel said that Jesus was "Alive", the most important is that angel DIDNT says Jesus was resurrected which means Jesus didnt die.

"but didnt find Jesus body. They came and told us that they had seen a vision of angels, who said he was Alive." [Luke 24:23]

Now lets look on next prophecy:

"HE WILL CALL UPON ME, AND I WILL ANSWER HIM, I will be with him in trouble, I WILL DELIVER HIM AND HONOR HIM." [Psalm 91:15]

This means Christ's call will be HEARD, and he will be delivered And honored.

We know from the bible that Jesus prayed to God and God almighty "heard" his prayer. [HEBREWS 5:7]

God dont hear what Jesus was saying? Obviously God hears everything. Here "heard" means God accepted Jesus prayer. On the other word, God saved Jesus from being crucified.

No way would these verses be valid if Christ got really crucified.
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12/7/2014 1:34:08 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
***2. In Matthew 12:38-40 Jesus himself prophecied that He will perform a miraculous sign like Jonah which means he will not die like Jonah.

Let us look on Matthew 12:38-40 and Jesus prophecy:

Then some of the Pharisees and teachers of the law said, "Rabi(Teacher), we want to see a Miraculous Sign from you." [Matthew 12:38]

Here we see, Jews went on Jesus and requested him for showing a Miraculous Sign for them.

He answered, "A wicked and adulterour generation asks for a Miraculous Sign! But none will be given it(Miraculous Sign) except The Sign of Prophet Jonah." [Matthew 12:39]

"For Jonah was 3 days and 3 nights in the belly of the huge fish, so the Son of Man will be 3 days and 3 nights in the heart of Earth." [Matthew 12:40]

Here Jesus hopele said that there will be no miraculous sign except the sign of Jonah. How Jonah 3 days and 3 nights lived in the belly of the fish, by the same way Jesus will live 3 days and 3 nights in the heart of the earth and this will be a miraculous sign.

So what was the sign of Prophet Jonah?

We already know that. If anyone dont know then read "Book of Jonah." This is a very small chapter of Bible.

A Belly of the Fish eat Jonah and 3 days and 3 nights he was alive. This was his miraculous sign.

A Belly of the Fish eat Jonah and 3 days and 3 nights he was Alive there and that was his miraculous sign. Right?

Was Jonah Alive in the belly of the Fish?

Answer is obviouly Yes.

Was Jonah Still Alive after 3 days when he was vomited out of the Belly of the Fish?

Answer is obviouly Yes.

After 3 days Jonah was resurrected from the Dead?

This time obviouly No!!

Then Jesus was still Alive and never resurrected as he prophiced. Now when I ask this at christians they say Jesus was dead on the tomb.

If Jesus was dead then this prophecy was obviously wrong because being dead in the tomb can not be a miraculous sign like Jonah.

We muslims believe that Jesus was alive and he was not crucified. But here christians say he was resurrected from the death which means matthew 12:30-40 prophecy obviously false and that makes Jesus a false person of God.

The only answer is Jesus that prophecy was true and he didnt die. Only fool christians cannot understand this.

Now few christians can say there he meant about times. But its really a joke to say that because staying a dead body 3 days and 3 nights in the tomb never can be a miraculous sign. This idea totally NONSENSE.
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12/7/2014 1:57:49 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
***3. Few points prove that Jesus was Alive:

i. Christians say Jesus was willing to die but this is obviously false because Jesus prayed on God to save him.

"Going a little farther, he feel with his face to the ground and prayed, "My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will." [Matthew 26:39]

ii. jesus was crying to Father for saving him and God heard his prayer. [Hebrews 5:7]

"Heard" means accepted. This I said before.

Iii. Angel appeared and strengthened to Jesus.[luke 22:43]

Which means God will save him by his angels.

Iv. Jesus stood on the shore.[John 21:4]

Cause he was Alive and If anyone see him then they will try to kill him again.

V. Jesus said to Mary Magdalen "Do not hold on to me." [John 20:17]

Cause Jesus will feel pain. If anybody touch any crucified body then He will feel pain So Jesus was Alive .

Vi. Jesus said "I have not yet returned to the Father." [John 20:17]

In Jews culture this mean He Is Alive and not yet back to God.

Vii. Mary Magdalen said she had seen Alive Jesus, not resurrected Jesus. [mark 16:11]

"When they heard that Jesus was alive and that she had seen him, they did not believe it". [Mark 16:11]

See "Alive" not resurrected.

Viii. Jesus said "why do you look for the living among the dead?" [luke 24:5]

Seems Jesus was a living man..Meaning He was Alive, not dead.

Ix. An Angel said Jesus was Alive:

"but didnt find Jesus body. They came and told us that they had seen a vision of angels, who said he was Alive." [Luke 24:23]

Angel didnt say Jesus was resurrected. Angel was "was alive" which means Jesus was always alive and didnt die.

X. Jesus proved that he was not sprit and resurrected from the death by eating because after resurrection all will be sprit and sprit does not eat.

"Look at my hands and my feet. It is i myself! Touch me and see; a spirit does not have flesh and bones, as you see I have." [Luke 24:39]

"Jesus asked them, "Do you have anything here to eat?" [luke 24:41]

Why would Jesus mention the fact that he is NOT a spirit? Then why Jesus wanted to eat? What to prove?

Because Jesus himself said after dead a man will be sprit/angel [luke 20:35-36] and spirit/angel do not eat food.

"In the resurrection from the dead will neither marry nor be given in marriage, n they can no longer die; for they are like the ANGELS. They are God's children, since they are the children of resurrection." [luke 20:35-36]

Here its very clear. Nothing to explain.

"Disciples gave him a piece of broiled fish, n he took it n ate it in their presence." [luke 24:42-43]

Jesus further proved to them he is alive by eating in front of them!

Xi. Jesus performed the sign of Jonah what he mentioned on Matthew 12:38-40 which means he will not die.
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12/7/2014 2:04:13 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
***4. Contradictions about crucifixion and resurrection in Bible which means here have clear ERROR!

A. It was the 3rd hour, and they crucified him. (Mark 15:25)

It was the 6th hour, and he was not yet crucified. (John 19:14)

What is true?

B. Jesus is given wine mixed with myrrh, but he doesnt drink. (Mark 15:23)

Jesus is given vinegar, but he doesnt drink. (Matthew 27:48, Luke 23:36)

Jesus is given vinegar and he drinks. (John 19:29-30)

Why 3 verse says different says? What is true?

C. What was Jesus's last words?

Jesus says "My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me?" [Matthew 27:46-50]

Jesus called out with a Loud voice, "Father, into ur hands I commit my spirit." when he had said this, he breathed his last. [Luke 23:46]

What is true?

D. The compelled simon to bear the cross of Jesus. (Luke 23:26, Mark 15:21)

Jesus was bearing his cross himself. (John 19:17)

What is true?

E. They put Jesus on the cross.(Mark 15:21)

They put Jesus on the tree.(Peter 2:24)

Where Jesus was actually crucified?

E. One women saw 2 angels at the grave of Jesus. (John 20:12)

Two women saw an angel which meaning they saw 1 angel (matthew 28:1-2)

F. Mary the Magdalne And Mary the Mother of James and Joanna Returned back from the grave and told the eleven apostles all of what they saw. (Luke 24:9)

Mary the Magdalne and Mary and Salome returned back from the grave, and did not tell anyone anything because they were afraid.(Mark 16:8)

Here what is true actually?

G. Who went first to Tomb? 4 Gospel says different name....

John claimed Only Mary Magdalen went to tomb.(John 20:1)

Mark claimed Mary Magdalen, Second Mary and Shalome went to tomb.(Mark 16:1)

Luke claimed At least five women visit Jesus tomb. mary Magdalen, Mary the mother of James, Joanna and other women. (Luke 24:10)

Matthew claimed Two women visit Jesus tomb: Mary Magdalen and another Mary. (Matthew 28:1)

What is actually true?

Whole Gospels have too much contradiction about crucifixion issue which means this crucifixion is totally DOUBTFUL, FALSE and have clear ERROR!

***5. The real truth is in Quran:

That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:- [Quran 4:157]

"Nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise;-" [Quran 4:158]

Now its time to all Christians accept the truth. The truth is always Clear because God says,

"And say: 'The Truth has come and falsehood has vanished. Falsehood is surely bound to vanish." [Quran 17:81]

Only blinds will not accept the truth. God says for this,

"Deaf, dumb and blind, they not return (to the path)." [Quran 2:18]

Bible also says same:

"..Seeing they see not, and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand." [Matthew 13:13]

Regards..

Sunny!
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12/7/2014 2:27:36 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
No, a supernatural man named Jesus was never really crucified. There is no historical evidence of such an event.

The whole story is an allegory. It never happened in reality. Neither did a man named Jonah ever end up in the belly of a whale in reality.

The bible stories are all allegorical.
The character Jesus is merely a personification of a process of living in truth. ( WAY of LIFE in TRUTH). Jesus is the WAY, the TRUTH, the LIFE. ( John 14:6)
The character represents all those things.

"Three days" represent yesterday today and tomorrow. In other words they represent time for all eternity.
Truth/reality exists at all times. It has a visible aspect and also an invisible aspect . The visible aspect is referred to as flesh and the invisible aspect is referred to as spirit in the bible stories.

The story teaches that truth can appear to be a lie and people tend to reject what they perceive as lies. It also teaches that any messenger of truth can be rejected by others and perceived to be evil no matter how truthful and honest they are.

That principle applies the same to believers and also to unbelievers since both sides believe they know the truth and reject the other side as being the liars who are deceived by their own doctrines and theories.

The story also teaches there are two sides to humanity. The side which is referred to as the carnal, fleshly side vs the side which is referred to as the spiritual side. The flesh (physical side) dies but the spirit ( vibe, teachings) does not.

Truth/reality always exists in the universe and never dies in spite of how many people symbolically crucify it in their hearts daily by rejecting it, calling it evil and calling it a lie.

Death is part of life in both a physical sense and also in a symbolic sense. All of us are passing away daily with yesterday which is also passing away daily. The old is constantly passing away and being replaced by the new. It is simply part of the cycle of life, growth and change.

To believe in mythical characters is childish. To understand the meaning behind the story is the mature perception.

Physical things will always die. Spirit never dies. Spirit is about the vibes, the teachings, morals and standards of humans which keep being passed down and believed from one generation to the next.
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12/7/2014 2:49:28 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 12/7/2014 2:04:13 PM, shine_0f_sun wrote:

***5. The real truth is in Quran:

That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:- [Quran 4:157]

"Nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise;-" [Quran 4:158]

Now its time to all Christians accept the truth. The truth is always Clear because God says,

"And say: 'The Truth has come and falsehood has vanished. Falsehood is surely bound to vanish." [Quran 17:81]

Only blinds will not accept the truth. God says for this,

"Deaf, dumb and blind, they not return (to the path)." [Quran 2:18]

Bible also says same:

"..Seeing they see not, and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand." [Matthew 13:13]

Regards..

Sunny!

The fact is that the TRUTH is not as clear as people want to believe it is. Muslims want to believe their truth is clear and call Christian truth a lie while the Christians want to believe their truth is clear and call the Muslim truth a lie.
The fact is that truth can appear to be a lie and can be perceived as a lie by anyone at all who does not understand it can be perceived as both true and false at the same time.

Truth is a paradox. It can make statements which are totally false in a physical sense but can be true in a spiritual sense. You need to understand that if you want to embrace the whole truth. Otherwise you are holding on to only half truths.

Mythical characters do not exist in reality and never did. Their authors teach us life lessons through the stories they wrote.
The lessons we need to learn is that life is composed of physical and also spiritual things. It is foolish to deny and reject either one.
Everyone is blind and deaf to something in this life. There are none who can see and hear all there is to see and hear.

Understanding comes with maturity which comes by putting aside childish things including childish concepts and beliefs.

To fully accept truth you need to accept the fact that it can also appear to be a lie on all outward appearances. Till you comprehend that, you don't really accept the truth at all.