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12/7/2014 5:22:03 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
The Bible does, obviously, often speak figuratively on some matters, and one must possess wisdom to correctly interpret its meaning.

Here's my thoughts on Hell:
It is not actually a lake of fire. Rather, it is a place where human beings are separated from God. It is not so much punishment for sins as much as it is a choice. You chose to live your entire life apart from God without repenting and thus you have chosen to live separate from God for all eternity.
Thus, God does not have to "add" things to Hell (like literal fire) to make it bad. Rather, the torment IS that you are completely separate from God for all eternity.
On Earth, though we are separate from God, He still allows us to enjoy His gifts here on Earth. In Hell, however, eternal separation from God means that you are also cut off from all of God's gifts. That is, it's a place of nothingness, "darkness".
It is a place with nothing, where people are doomed to exist eternally in a place where there is a complete lack of anything, where they are without hope. Without God there is no hope, though the enjoyment of His gifts may bring temporary fulfillment (but those gifts are nonexistent in Hell). Thus, you are cut off from everything that may provide any fulfillment, that which provides meaning and a reason to live. Meanwhile, those who have accepted the gift of salvation get to enjoy an eternity in the presence of God, in Heaven.

Any thoughts on this interpretation?
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12/7/2014 5:48:55 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Bump (the religion forum forces threads off the front page pretty fast)
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12/7/2014 6:31:07 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/7/2014 5:22:03 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
The Bible does, obviously, often speak figuratively on some matters, and one must possess wisdom to correctly interpret its meaning.

Here's my thoughts on Hell:
It is not actually a lake of fire. Rather, it is a place where human beings are separated from God. It is not so much punishment for sins as much as it is a choice. You chose to live your entire life apart from God without repenting and thus you have chosen to live separate from God for all eternity.

What does it mean in your mind to be separated from God? Is it about being separated from a supernatural character or being separated from revelation/ understanding/ enlightenment/ wisdom /life itself. ?

How can anyone make a choice to live apart from life itself?

Everyone who is born has no choice in the matter of being born. We do get a choice as to whether we wish to remain alive or not. Everyone can choose to destroy their own life if they wish or wait till fate decides to take it from them but either way all are destined to die. What is there to repent of? Living? Should we be sorry that we were ever born?
All are born ignorant and innocent.

Thus, God does not have to "add" things to Hell (like literal fire) to make it bad. Rather, the torment IS that you are completely separate from God for all eternity.

There is no torment in being separated from a mythical being. There is no torment in the grave. Any torment which exists, exists in life not in death. Humans torment themselves in their own minds. They also torment and torture each other in physical ways. That all ends when one dies. No one can torture or torment you when you are dead. Dead people feel and know nothing. They are separated from life and all its torments.

On Earth, though we are separate from God, He still allows us to enjoy His gifts here on Earth. In Hell, however, eternal separation from God means that you are also cut off from all of God's gifts. That is, it's a place of nothingness, "darkness".

How can you be separated from your God on Earth when your God is supposedly everywhere? Is your God not omnipresent? Is he not with you always? If he is, how can you be separate from him?
Hell is a state of being in a spiritual sense. In a literal sense it means grave.

It is a place with nothing, where people are doomed to exist eternally in a place where there is a complete lack of anything, where they are without hope. Without God there is no hope, though the enjoyment of His gifts may bring temporary fulfillment (but those gifts are nonexistent in Hell). Thus, you are cut off from everything that may provide any fulfillment, that which provides meaning and a reason to live. Meanwhile, those who have accepted the gift of salvation get to enjoy an eternity in the presence of God, in Heaven.

Hell is not a location. It is a state of mind where the mind tortures the body. It is a state of conscience where you are feeling guilty all the time and can find no relief from the sense of guilt.
All people are physically doomed to exist as dust and remain in their grave after death.
Life goes on regardless of how many people die.
The presence of God is everywhere if God is omnipresent so to imply you can only be in his presence in some location called Heaven and also imply that location is not on Earth is sheer ignorance of what God and heaven and hell really is.

Any thoughts on this interpretation?

I think you are believing in imaginary supernatural characters who live in imaginary locations.

Heaven and hell are not locations. They are states of mind, "states of being". Those who abide in "Heaven" are in the state of inner peace and rest. Those who abide in "Hell" are in the state of inner turmoil and conflict.
You need to be alive to be in both those states. The dead are resting in peace for all eternity.
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12/7/2014 6:41:54 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/7/2014 6:31:07 PM, Skyangel wrote:
Hell is a state of being in a spiritual sense.
Where have you conjured up ' spiritual from? '.

IF you have any literal spirits to declare, then the James Randi Educational Foundation wants to hear from you!

Do you want to accept their challenge Or drivel on about make believe?

At 12/7/2014 6:31:07 PM, Skyangel wrote:
In a literal sense it means grave.
Agreed!

At 12/7/2014 6:31:07 PM, Skyangel wrote:
Hell is not a location.
You just told us it is!

" . . . . it means grave. ".
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12/7/2014 7:24:49 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/7/2014 6:41:54 PM, Composer wrote:
At 12/7/2014 6:31:07 PM, Skyangel wrote:
Hell is a state of being in a spiritual sense.
Where have you conjured up ' spiritual from? '.

IF you have any literal spirits to declare, then the James Randi Educational Foundation wants to hear from you!

The concept comes from the bible stories Robert. Obviously you don't understand the concept as being anything but disembodied ghosts. Your ignorance is not my fault.

Do you want to accept their challenge Or drivel on about make believe?

There is nothing make believe about the vibe/ spirit you are projecting Robert.

At 12/7/2014 6:31:07 PM, Skyangel wrote:
In a literal sense it means grave.
Agreed!


At 12/7/2014 6:31:07 PM, Skyangel wrote:
Hell is not a location.
You just told us it is!

It is not some mystical supernatural location outside of Earth where people are tormented for all eternity for not believing in supernatural characters. Does that make things clearer for you?

" . . . . it means grave. ".

Yes it does.
I'm glad we agree on some things even though they are few.
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12/7/2014 7:32:05 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/7/2014 6:31:07 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 12/7/2014 5:22:03 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
The Bible does, obviously, often speak figuratively on some matters, and one must possess wisdom to correctly interpret its meaning.

Here's my thoughts on Hell:
It is not actually a lake of fire. Rather, it is a place where human beings are separated from God. It is not so much punishment for sins as much as it is a choice. You chose to live your entire life apart from God without repenting and thus you have chosen to live separate from God for all eternity.

What does it mean in your mind to be separated from God? Is it about being separated from a supernatural character or being separated from revelation/ understanding/ enlightenment/ wisdom /life itself. ?

How can anyone make a choice to live apart from life itself?

Everyone who is born has no choice in the matter of being born. We do get a choice as to whether we wish to remain alive or not. Everyone can choose to destroy their own life if they wish or wait till fate decides to take it from them but either way all are destined to die. What is there to repent of? Living? Should we be sorry that we were ever born?
All are born ignorant and innocent.

Thus, God does not have to "add" things to Hell (like literal fire) to make it bad. Rather, the torment IS that you are completely separate from God for all eternity.

There is no torment in being separated from a mythical being. There is no torment in the grave. Any torment which exists, exists in life not in death. Humans torment themselves in their own minds. They also torment and torture each other in physical ways. That all ends when one dies. No one can torture or torment you when you are dead. Dead people feel and know nothing. They are separated from life and all its torments.

On Earth, though we are separate from God, He still allows us to enjoy His gifts here on Earth. In Hell, however, eternal separation from God means that you are also cut off from all of God's gifts. That is, it's a place of nothingness, "darkness".

How can you be separated from your God on Earth when your God is supposedly everywhere? Is your God not omnipresent? Is he not with you always? If he is, how can you be separate from him?
Hell is a state of being in a spiritual sense. In a literal sense it means grave.

It is a place with nothing, where people are doomed to exist eternally in a place where there is a complete lack of anything, where they are without hope. Without God there is no hope, though the enjoyment of His gifts may bring temporary fulfillment (but those gifts are nonexistent in Hell). Thus, you are cut off from everything that may provide any fulfillment, that which provides meaning and a reason to live. Meanwhile, those who have accepted the gift of salvation get to enjoy an eternity in the presence of God, in Heaven.

Hell is not a location. It is a state of mind where the mind tortures the body. It is a state of conscience where you are feeling guilty all the time and can find no relief from the sense of guilt.
All people are physically doomed to exist as dust and remain in their grave after death.
Life goes on regardless of how many people die.
The presence of God is everywhere if God is omnipresent so to imply you can only be in his presence in some location called Heaven and also imply that location is not on Earth is sheer ignorance of what God and heaven and hell really is.

Any thoughts on this interpretation?

I think you are believing in imaginary supernatural characters who live in imaginary locations.

Heaven and hell are not locations. They are states of mind, "states of being". Those who abide in "Heaven" are in the state of inner peace and rest. Those who abide in "Hell" are in the state of inner turmoil and conflict.
You need to be alive to be in both those states. The dead are resting in peace for all eternity.

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12/7/2014 7:39:53 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/7/2014 5:22:03 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
The Bible does, obviously, often speak figuratively on some matters, and one must possess wisdom to correctly interpret its meaning.

Here's my thoughts on Hell:
It is not actually a lake of fire. Rather, it is a place where human beings are separated from God. It is not so much punishment for sins as much as it is a choice. You chose to live your entire life apart from God without repenting and thus you have chosen to live separate from God for all eternity.
Thus, God does not have to "add" things to Hell (like literal fire) to make it bad. Rather, the torment IS that you are completely separate from God for all eternity.
On Earth, though we are separate from God, He still allows us to enjoy His gifts here on Earth. In Hell, however, eternal separation from God means that you are also cut off from all of God's gifts. That is, it's a place of nothingness, "darkness".
It is a place with nothing, where people are doomed to exist eternally in a place where there is a complete lack of anything, where they are without hope. Without God there is no hope, though the enjoyment of His gifts may bring temporary fulfillment (but those gifts are nonexistent in Hell). Thus, you are cut off from everything that may provide any fulfillment, that which provides meaning and a reason to live. Meanwhile, those who have accepted the gift of salvation get to enjoy an eternity in the presence of God, in Heaven.

Any thoughts on this interpretation?

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12/7/2014 7:40:26 PM
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At 12/7/2014 5:22:03 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
The Bible does, obviously, often speak figuratively on some matters, and one must possess wisdom to correctly interpret its meaning.

Here's my thoughts on Hell:
It is not actually a lake of fire. Rather, it is a place where human beings are separated from God. It is not so much punishment for sins as much as it is a choice. You chose to live your entire life apart from God without repenting and thus you have chosen to live separate from God for all eternity.
Thus, God does not have to "add" things to Hell (like literal fire) to make it bad. Rather, the torment IS that you are completely separate from God for all eternity.
On Earth, though we are separate from God, He still allows us to enjoy His gifts here on Earth. In Hell, however, eternal separation from God means that you are also cut off from all of God's gifts. That is, it's a place of nothingness, "darkness".
It is a place with nothing, where people are doomed to exist eternally in a place where there is a complete lack of anything, where they are without hope. Without God there is no hope, though the enjoyment of His gifts may bring temporary fulfillment (but those gifts are nonexistent in Hell). Thus, you are cut off from everything that may provide any fulfillment, that which provides meaning and a reason to live. Meanwhile, those who have accepted the gift of salvation get to enjoy an eternity in the presence of God, in Heaven.

Any thoughts on this interpretation?

I always thought hell was like the 9 circles in the Divine Comedy. That would be cool. Not "cool" as in "good", but it seems more organized and not like, "Okay, hell is a burning pit of fire where you are tortured for eternity".
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12/7/2014 7:43:33 PM
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At 12/7/2014 6:31:07 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 12/7/2014 5:22:03 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
The Bible does, obviously, often speak figuratively on some matters, and one must possess wisdom to correctly interpret its meaning.

Here's my thoughts on Hell:
It is not actually a lake of fire. Rather, it is a place where human beings are separated from God. It is not so much punishment for sins as much as it is a choice. You chose to live your entire life apart from God without repenting and thus you have chosen to live separate from God for all eternity.

What does it mean in your mind to be separated from God? Is it about being separated from a supernatural character or being separated from revelation/ understanding/ enlightenment/ wisdom /life itself. ?

How can anyone make a choice to live apart from life itself?

Everyone who is born has no choice in the matter of being born. We do get a choice as to whether we wish to remain alive or not. Everyone can choose to destroy their own life if they wish or wait till fate decides to take it from them but either way all are destined to die. What is there to repent of? Living? Should we be sorry that we were ever born?
All are born ignorant and innocent.

Thus, God does not have to "add" things to Hell (like literal fire) to make it bad. Rather, the torment IS that you are completely separate from God for all eternity.

There is no torment in being separated from a mythical being. There is no torment in the grave. Any torment which exists, exists in life not in death. Humans torment themselves in their own minds. They also torment and torture each other in physical ways. That all ends when one dies. No one can torture or torment you when you are dead. Dead people feel and know nothing. They are separated from life and all its torments.

On Earth, though we are separate from God, He still allows us to enjoy His gifts here on Earth. In Hell, however, eternal separation from God means that you are also cut off from all of God's gifts. That is, it's a place of nothingness, "darkness".

How can you be separated from your God on Earth when your God is supposedly everywhere? Is your God not omnipresent? Is he not with you always? If he is, how can you be separate from him?
Hell is a state of being in a spiritual sense. In a literal sense it means grave.

It is a place with nothing, where people are doomed to exist eternally in a place where there is a complete lack of anything, where they are without hope. Without God there is no hope, though the enjoyment of His gifts may bring temporary fulfillment (but those gifts are nonexistent in Hell). Thus, you are cut off from everything that may provide any fulfillment, that which provides meaning and a reason to live. Meanwhile, those who have accepted the gift of salvation get to enjoy an eternity in the presence of God, in Heaven.

Hell is not a location. It is a state of mind where the mind tortures the body. It is a state of conscience where you are feeling guilty all the time and can find no relief from the sense of guilt.
All people are physically doomed to exist as dust and remain in their grave after death.
Life goes on regardless of how many people die.
The presence of God is everywhere if God is omnipresent so to imply you can only be in his presence in some location called Heaven and also imply that location is not on Earth is sheer ignorance of what God and heaven and hell really is.

Any thoughts on this interpretation?

I think you are believing in imaginary supernatural characters who live in imaginary locations.

Heaven and hell are not locations. They are states of mind, "states of being". Those who abide in "Heaven" are in the state of inner peace and rest. Those who abide in "Hell" are in the state of inner turmoil and conflict.
You need to be alive to be in both those states. The dead are resting in peace for all eternity.

The more you write, the more stupid you appear to everyone in this forum. There's no such place called hell and Heaven is a symbolic name for our created invisible existence as God's thoughts. The Earth is a defined world where God's illusions can be observed to make us believe we're real. We are NOT real people. We're created people in the mind of God.
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12/7/2014 8:00:57 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/7/2014 5:22:03 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
The Bible does, obviously, often speak figuratively on some matters, and one must possess wisdom to correctly interpret its meaning.

Here's my thoughts on Hell:
It is not actually a lake of fire. Rather, it is a place where human beings are separated from God. It is not so much punishment for sins as much as it is a choice. You chose to live your entire life apart from God without repenting and thus you have chosen to live separate from God for all eternity.
Thus, God does not have to "add" things to Hell (like literal fire) to make it bad. Rather, the torment IS that you are completely separate from God for all eternity.
On Earth, though we are separate from God, He still allows us to enjoy His gifts here on Earth. In Hell, however, eternal separation from God means that you are also cut off from all of God's gifts. That is, it's a place of nothingness, "darkness".
It is a place with nothing, where people are doomed to exist eternally in a place where there is a complete lack of anything, where they are without hope. Without God there is no hope, though the enjoyment of His gifts may bring temporary fulfillment (but those gifts are nonexistent in Hell). Thus, you are cut off from everything that may provide any fulfillment, that which provides meaning and a reason to live. Meanwhile, those who have accepted the gift of salvation get to enjoy an eternity in the presence of God, in Heaven.

Any thoughts on this interpretation?

I like this conception of heaven and hell. Maybe hell is not separation from God. Maybe all people live in the presence of God, and some of them hate it. Life (or afterlife) for these people is hell.
1. I already googled it.

2. Give me an argument. Spell it out. "You're wrong," is not an argument.
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12/7/2014 8:10:00 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/7/2014 6:31:07 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 12/7/2014 5:22:03 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
The Bible does, obviously, often speak figuratively on some matters, and one must possess wisdom to correctly interpret its meaning.

Here's my thoughts on Hell:
It is not actually a lake of fire. Rather, it is a place where human beings are separated from God. It is not so much punishment for sins as much as it is a choice. You chose to live your entire life apart from God without repenting and thus you have chosen to live separate from God for all eternity.

What does it mean in your mind to be separated from God? Is it about being separated from a supernatural character or being separated from revelation/ understanding/ enlightenment/ wisdom /life itself. ?

How can anyone make a choice to live apart from life itself?

Everyone who is born has no choice in the matter of being born. We do get a choice as to whether we wish to remain alive or not. Everyone can choose to destroy their own life if they wish or wait till fate decides to take it from them but either way all are destined to die. What is there to repent of? Living? Should we be sorry that we were ever born?
All are born ignorant and innocent.

Thus, God does not have to "add" things to Hell (like literal fire) to make it bad. Rather, the torment IS that you are completely separate from God for all eternity.

There is no torment in being separated from a mythical being. There is no torment in the grave. Any torment which exists, exists in life not in death. Humans torment themselves in their own minds. They also torment and torture each other in physical ways. That all ends when one dies. No one can torture or torment you when you are dead. Dead people feel and know nothing. They are separated from life and all its torments.

On Earth, though we are separate from God, He still allows us to enjoy His gifts here on Earth. In Hell, however, eternal separation from God means that you are also cut off from all of God's gifts. That is, it's a place of nothingness, "darkness".

How can you be separated from your God on Earth when your God is supposedly everywhere? Is your God not omnipresent? Is he not with you always? If he is, how can you be separate from him?
Hell is a state of being in a spiritual sense. In a literal sense it means grave.

It is a place with nothing, where people are doomed to exist eternally in a place where there is a complete lack of anything, where they are without hope. Without God there is no hope, though the enjoyment of His gifts may bring temporary fulfillment (but those gifts are nonexistent in Hell). Thus, you are cut off from everything that may provide any fulfillment, that which provides meaning and a reason to live. Meanwhile, those who have accepted the gift of salvation get to enjoy an eternity in the presence of God, in Heaven.

Hell is not a location. It is a state of mind where the mind tortures the body. It is a state of conscience where you are feeling guilty all the time and can find no relief from the sense of guilt.
All people are physically doomed to exist as dust and remain in their grave after death.
Life goes on regardless of how many people die.
The presence of God is everywhere if God is omnipresent so to imply you can only be in his presence in some location called Heaven and also imply that location is not on Earth is sheer ignorance of what God and heaven and hell really is.

Any thoughts on this interpretation?

I think you are believing in imaginary supernatural characters who live in imaginary locations.

Heaven and hell are not locations. They are states of mind, "states of being". Those who abide in "Heaven" are in the state of inner peace and rest. Those who abide in "Hell" are in the state of inner turmoil and conflict.
You need to be alive to be in both those states. The dead are resting in peace for all eternity.

This reply is very inconsistent. It is difficult to tell whether you believe in God or not. It is also difficult to tell if you believe in afterlife or not. Clarify? (briefly)
1. I already googled it.

2. Give me an argument. Spell it out. "You're wrong," is not an argument.
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12/7/2014 8:35:05 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/7/2014 7:32:05 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:

...Do you not understand what a CFZ thread is?

No. Please enlighten me to the acronym. I have no clue what it means.

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12/7/2014 8:37:26 PM
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At 12/7/2014 7:39:53 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 12/7/2014 5:22:03 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
The Bible does, obviously, often speak figuratively on some matters, and one must possess wisdom to correctly interpret its meaning.

Here's my thoughts on Hell:
It is not actually a lake of fire. Rather, it is a place where human beings are separated from God. It is not so much punishment for sins as much as it is a choice. You chose to live your entire life apart from God without repenting and thus you have chosen to live separate from God for all eternity.
Thus, God does not have to "add" things to Hell (like literal fire) to make it bad. Rather, the torment IS that you are completely separate from God for all eternity.
On Earth, though we are separate from God, He still allows us to enjoy His gifts here on Earth. In Hell, however, eternal separation from God means that you are also cut off from all of God's gifts. That is, it's a place of nothingness, "darkness".
It is a place with nothing, where people are doomed to exist eternally in a place where there is a complete lack of anything, where they are without hope. Without God there is no hope, though the enjoyment of His gifts may bring temporary fulfillment (but those gifts are nonexistent in Hell). Thus, you are cut off from everything that may provide any fulfillment, that which provides meaning and a reason to live. Meanwhile, those who have accepted the gift of salvation get to enjoy an eternity in the presence of God, in Heaven.

Any thoughts on this interpretation?

You shouldn't be teaching lies my friend. This makes you a false prophet.

And your lies make you a false prophet too Brad.
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12/7/2014 8:50:48 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/7/2014 7:43:33 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 12/7/2014 6:31:07 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 12/7/2014 5:22:03 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
The Bible does, obviously, often speak figuratively on some matters, and one must possess wisdom to correctly interpret its meaning.

Here's my thoughts on Hell:
It is not actually a lake of fire. Rather, it is a place where human beings are separated from God. It is not so much punishment for sins as much as it is a choice. You chose to live your entire life apart from God without repenting and thus you have chosen to live separate from God for all eternity.

What does it mean in your mind to be separated from God? Is it about being separated from a supernatural character or being separated from revelation/ understanding/ enlightenment/ wisdom /life itself. ?

How can anyone make a choice to live apart from life itself?

Everyone who is born has no choice in the matter of being born. We do get a choice as to whether we wish to remain alive or not. Everyone can choose to destroy their own life if they wish or wait till fate decides to take it from them but either way all are destined to die. What is there to repent of? Living? Should we be sorry that we were ever born?
All are born ignorant and innocent.

Thus, God does not have to "add" things to Hell (like literal fire) to make it bad. Rather, the torment IS that you are completely separate from God for all eternity.

There is no torment in being separated from a mythical being. There is no torment in the grave. Any torment which exists, exists in life not in death. Humans torment themselves in their own minds. They also torment and torture each other in physical ways. That all ends when one dies. No one can torture or torment you when you are dead. Dead people feel and know nothing. They are separated from life and all its torments.

On Earth, though we are separate from God, He still allows us to enjoy His gifts here on Earth. In Hell, however, eternal separation from God means that you are also cut off from all of God's gifts. That is, it's a place of nothingness, "darkness".

How can you be separated from your God on Earth when your God is supposedly everywhere? Is your God not omnipresent? Is he not with you always? If he is, how can you be separate from him?
Hell is a state of being in a spiritual sense. In a literal sense it means grave.

It is a place with nothing, where people are doomed to exist eternally in a place where there is a complete lack of anything, where they are without hope. Without God there is no hope, though the enjoyment of His gifts may bring temporary fulfillment (but those gifts are nonexistent in Hell). Thus, you are cut off from everything that may provide any fulfillment, that which provides meaning and a reason to live. Meanwhile, those who have accepted the gift of salvation get to enjoy an eternity in the presence of God, in Heaven.

Hell is not a location. It is a state of mind where the mind tortures the body. It is a state of conscience where you are feeling guilty all the time and can find no relief from the sense of guilt.
All people are physically doomed to exist as dust and remain in their grave after death.
Life goes on regardless of how many people die.
The presence of God is everywhere if God is omnipresent so to imply you can only be in his presence in some location called Heaven and also imply that location is not on Earth is sheer ignorance of what God and heaven and hell really is.

Any thoughts on this interpretation?

I think you are believing in imaginary supernatural characters who live in imaginary locations.

Heaven and hell are not locations. They are states of mind, "states of being". Those who abide in "Heaven" are in the state of inner peace and rest. Those who abide in "Hell" are in the state of inner turmoil and conflict.
You need to be alive to be in both those states. The dead are resting in peace for all eternity.

The more you write, the more stupid you appear to everyone in this forum. There's no such place called hell and Heaven is a symbolic name for our created invisible existence as God's thoughts. The Earth is a defined world where God's illusions can be observed to make us believe we're real. We are NOT real people. We're created people in the mind of God.

I could say the same about your stupidity and ignorance Brad. You obviously don't understand a word I wrote and don't even make any attempt to understand it.
In case you haven't noticed, I am also telling people there is no such place as Heaven or Hell.
They are however also not symbolic names for our created existence as you want to believe. Your own illusions are deceiving you Brad.
Hell and Heaven are states of being. Hell is a state of confusion in which you are right now. Heaven is the state of being unconfused. You obviously still have not gotten there yet. Hopefully you will one day.
The Earth is a planet in the universe. The universe creates all kinds of illusions but Earth is not an illusion. It is very tangible and real.
You are obviously not a real person in your own mind Brad. Therefore I suggest you get real and stop dreaming that you are just a figment of your own imagination and stop trying to make everyone else a figment of your own imagination too.
It helps when you can distinguish the difference between illusions or reality and reality.
Obviously you cannot since you want to believe everything you see is just an illusion and you want to believe everything you cannot see is real.
People can see and hear you Brad. Are you real or just an illusion in your own mind? Do you believe yourself or are you just fooling yourself ?
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12/7/2014 8:59:49 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/7/2014 8:10:00 PM, tabularasa wrote:
At 12/7/2014 6:31:07 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 12/7/2014 5:22:03 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
The Bible does, obviously, often speak figuratively on some matters, and one must possess wisdom to correctly interpret its meaning.

Here's my thoughts on Hell:
It is not actually a lake of fire. Rather, it is a place where human beings are separated from God. It is not so much punishment for sins as much as it is a choice. You chose to live your entire life apart from God without repenting and thus you have chosen to live separate from God for all eternity.

What does it mean in your mind to be separated from God? Is it about being separated from a supernatural character or being separated from revelation/ understanding/ enlightenment/ wisdom /life itself. ?

How can anyone make a choice to live apart from life itself?

Everyone who is born has no choice in the matter of being born. We do get a choice as to whether we wish to remain alive or not. Everyone can choose to destroy their own life if they wish or wait till fate decides to take it from them but either way all are destined to die. What is there to repent of? Living? Should we be sorry that we were ever born?
All are born ignorant and innocent.

Thus, God does not have to "add" things to Hell (like literal fire) to make it bad. Rather, the torment IS that you are completely separate from God for all eternity.

There is no torment in being separated from a mythical being. There is no torment in the grave. Any torment which exists, exists in life not in death. Humans torment themselves in their own minds. They also torment and torture each other in physical ways. That all ends when one dies. No one can torture or torment you when you are dead. Dead people feel and know nothing. They are separated from life and all its torments.

On Earth, though we are separate from God, He still allows us to enjoy His gifts here on Earth. In Hell, however, eternal separation from God means that you are also cut off from all of God's gifts. That is, it's a place of nothingness, "darkness".

How can you be separated from your God on Earth when your God is supposedly everywhere? Is your God not omnipresent? Is he not with you always? If he is, how can you be separate from him?
Hell is a state of being in a spiritual sense. In a literal sense it means grave.

It is a place with nothing, where people are doomed to exist eternally in a place where there is a complete lack of anything, where they are without hope. Without God there is no hope, though the enjoyment of His gifts may bring temporary fulfillment (but those gifts are nonexistent in Hell). Thus, you are cut off from everything that may provide any fulfillment, that which provides meaning and a reason to live. Meanwhile, those who have accepted the gift of salvation get to enjoy an eternity in the presence of God, in Heaven.

Hell is not a location. It is a state of mind where the mind tortures the body. It is a state of conscience where you are feeling guilty all the time and can find no relief from the sense of guilt.
All people are physically doomed to exist as dust and remain in their grave after death.
Life goes on regardless of how many people die.
The presence of God is everywhere if God is omnipresent so to imply you can only be in his presence in some location called Heaven and also imply that location is not on Earth is sheer ignorance of what God and heaven and hell really is.

Any thoughts on this interpretation?

I think you are believing in imaginary supernatural characters who live in imaginary locations.

Heaven and hell are not locations. They are states of mind, "states of being". Those who abide in "Heaven" are in the state of inner peace and rest. Those who abide in "Hell" are in the state of inner turmoil and conflict.
You need to be alive to be in both those states. The dead are resting in peace for all eternity.

This reply is very inconsistent. It is difficult to tell whether you believe in God or not. It is also difficult to tell if you believe in afterlife or not. Clarify? (briefly)

I do not believe in any supernatural characters named God or Satan.
I believe in the concept of God representing Life or the "Spirit of Life" Life obviously exists. Life is made up of what humans perceive as both good and evil.

I do not believe anyone gets raised from the dead in any physical sense at any time.
I believe in the concept of death representing ignorance/darkness. I believe that people are raised out of ignorance when they gain understanding/ enlightenment.

Any physical life after physical death is just the life of the living which continue to live after they bury their dead. Life goes on but not for the dead. Only for the living.
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12/7/2014 9:17:19 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/7/2014 8:50:48 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 12/7/2014 7:43:33 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 12/7/2014 6:31:07 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 12/7/2014 5:22:03 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
The Bible does, obviously, often speak figuratively on some matters, and one must possess wisdom to correctly interpret its meaning.

Here's my thoughts on Hell:
It is not actually a lake of fire. Rather, it is a place where human beings are separated from God. It is not so much punishment for sins as much as it is a choice. You chose to live your entire life apart from God without repenting and thus you have chosen to live separate from God for all eternity.

What does it mean in your mind to be separated from God? Is it about being separated from a supernatural character or being separated from revelation/ understanding/ enlightenment/ wisdom /life itself. ?

How can anyone make a choice to live apart from life itself?

Everyone who is born has no choice in the matter of being born. We do get a choice as to whether we wish to remain alive or not. Everyone can choose to destroy their own life if they wish or wait till fate decides to take it from them but either way all are destined to die. What is there to repent of? Living? Should we be sorry that we were ever born?
All are born ignorant and innocent.

Thus, God does not have to "add" things to Hell (like literal fire) to make it bad. Rather, the torment IS that you are completely separate from God for all eternity.

There is no torment in being separated from a mythical being. There is no torment in the grave. Any torment which exists, exists in life not in death. Humans torment themselves in their own minds. They also torment and torture each other in physical ways. That all ends when one dies. No one can torture or torment you when you are dead. Dead people feel and know nothing. They are separated from life and all its torments.

On Earth, though we are separate from God, He still allows us to enjoy His gifts here on Earth. In Hell, however, eternal separation from God means that you are also cut off from all of God's gifts. That is, it's a place of nothingness, "darkness".

How can you be separated from your God on Earth when your God is supposedly everywhere? Is your God not omnipresent? Is he not with you always? If he is, how can you be separate from him?
Hell is a state of being in a spiritual sense. In a literal sense it means grave.

It is a place with nothing, where people are doomed to exist eternally in a place where there is a complete lack of anything, where they are without hope. Without God there is no hope, though the enjoyment of His gifts may bring temporary fulfillment (but those gifts are nonexistent in Hell). Thus, you are cut off from everything that may provide any fulfillment, that which provides meaning and a reason to live. Meanwhile, those who have accepted the gift of salvation get to enjoy an eternity in the presence of God, in Heaven.

Hell is not a location. It is a state of mind where the mind tortures the body. It is a state of conscience where you are feeling guilty all the time and can find no relief from the sense of guilt.
All people are physically doomed to exist as dust and remain in their grave after death.
Life goes on regardless of how many people die.
The presence of God is everywhere if God is omnipresent so to imply you can only be in his presence in some location called Heaven and also imply that location is not on Earth is sheer ignorance of what God and heaven and hell really is.

Any thoughts on this interpretation?

I think you are believing in imaginary supernatural characters who live in imaginary locations.

Heaven and hell are not locations. They are states of mind, "states of being". Those who abide in "Heaven" are in the state of inner peace and rest. Those who abide in "Hell" are in the state of inner turmoil and conflict.
You need to be alive to be in both those states. The dead are resting in peace for all eternity.

The more you write, the more stupid you appear to everyone in this forum. There's no such place called hell and Heaven is a symbolic name for our created invisible existence as God's thoughts. The Earth is a defined world where God's illusions can be observed to make us believe we're real. We are NOT real people. We're created people in the mind of God.

I could say the same about your stupidity and ignorance Brad. You obviously don't understand a word I wrote and don't even make any attempt to understand it.
In case you haven't noticed, I am also telling people there is no such place as Heaven or Hell.
They are however also not symbolic names for our created existence as you want to believe. Your own illusions are deceiving you Brad.
Hell and Heaven are states of being. Hell is a state of confusion in which you are right now. Heaven is the state of being unconfused. You obviously still have not gotten there yet. Hopefully you will one day.
The Earth is a planet in the universe. The universe creates all kinds of illusions but Earth is not an illusion. It is very tangible and real.
You are obviously not a real person in your own mind Brad. Therefore I suggest you get real and stop dreaming that you are just a figment of your own imagination and stop trying to make everyone else a figment of your own imagination too.
It helps when you can distinguish the difference between illusions or reality and reality.
Obviously you cannot since you want to believe everything you see is just an illusion and you want to believe everything you cannot see is real.
People can see and hear you Brad. Are you real or just an illusion in your own mind? Do you believe yourself or are you just fooling yourself ?

An illusion of God's is visible but it's not something that's real. There's absolutely no substance to the images ( illusions ) we observe. There's no such thing as matter, time or space, These are all illusions that we perceive in this world but only as a dream within the mind of God.

Life is observed as one picture ( trillions of processed vibrations ) at a time at a rate that gives us the sense of motion. Motion gives us the sense of time and our sense of touch ( also an illusion ) makes us believe the illusions we touch are made of hard substance, which man believed contained matter, or mass in atomic elements.

We don't actually exist at all other than as information in the mind of God but with all the visible illusions that give us a defined world to live in, we can believe we're real.

ALL God's people believed the visible objects of this world were their reality since man first appeared in this world. However, the first man wasn't born from a womb of a woman. How do you think God made the first man and woman without having them born through a womb? The only explanation is that the flesh of man are only illusions that aren't real. God doesn't need to have His people born through a womb of a mother but it makes His people believe we're more real when we are born through a womb.

Our next bodies of flesh in Paradise won't contain any guts, heart, brain, blood, etc. because we will all know that our bodies are only illusions. Every illusion that we observe in Paradise will be totally different than the illusions of this world we're experiencing now. We won't understand what gravity means or that we have to have the right amount of oxygen, carbon, hydrogen in the air to breath in and survive. These elements won't exist because they're unnecessary for us to believe we're real. They only existed in this world to totally confuse His scientists and make this world more believable.

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12/7/2014 9:46:37 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/7/2014 9:17:19 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 12/7/2014 8:50:48 PM, Skyangel wrote:

People can see and hear you Brad. Are you real or just an illusion in your own mind? Do you believe yourself or are you just fooling yourself ?

An illusion of God's is visible but it's not something that's real. There's absolutely no substance to the images ( illusions ) we observe. There's no such thing as matter, time or space, These are all illusions that we perceive in this world but only as a dream within the mind of God.

Brad is an illusion. Brad is visible but not real. There is absolutely no substance to Brad.
Brad lacks substance. Anyone who believes anything he says is believing an illusion which has no substance. They are dreaming a dream in which a character they dreamed up is telling them that the dream is not real. Brad is the dreamer who is dreaming up his own dreams and also believes them.

We don't actually exist at all other than as information in the mind of God but with all the visible illusions that give us a defined world to live in, we can believe we're real.

Feel free to believe you are nothing but a dream in the mind of a supernatural character Brad. However, If a supernatural character did exist, he would not need one of his dreams and illusions to be his voice. He would have a real voice not an illusion of a voice.
There is a vast difference between reality and fantasy Brad. Illusions of people are the ones called imaginary friends. They are fictional. They exist in peoples imaginations. Your invisible God is such an illusion.

ALL God's people believed the visible objects of this world were their reality since man first appeared in this world. However, the first man wasn't born from a womb of a woman. How do you think God made the first man and woman without having them born through a womb? The only explanation is that the flesh of man are only illusions that aren't real. God doesn't need to have His people born through a womb of a mother but it makes His people believe we're more real when we are born through a womb.

Your problem stems from your belief in fictions and in a supernatural character who is invisible and exists only in your mind. That is why he can only speak through your voice. Any imaginary characters in any mind of any schizophrenic person use the body of the person to speak though. The body becomes their "voice", When more than one invisible character speaks through a body, it is generally evidence of a mental disorder. That is what is happening in your body and mind Brad. Sometimes you speak as yourself about yourself and other times you pretend to be God and speak as someone other than Brad about Brad. That only makes you appear schizophrenic and deluded and in need of special psychiatric care.

Our next bodies of flesh in Paradise won't contain any guts, heart, brain, blood, etc. because we will all know that our bodies are only illusions. Every illusion that we observe in Paradise will be totally different than the illusions of this world we're experiencing now. We won't understand what gravity means or that we have to have the right amount of oxygen, carbon, hydrogen in the air to breath in and survive. These elements won't exist because they're unnecessary for us to believe we're real. They only existed in this world to totally confuse His

It must be good to know you are just a self aware illusion Brad. It must be so nice to know that once your illusion of this world ends you will have a new illusion in not just one but two bodies. Then you can play with yourself till your hearts content and never feel rejected. That will be twice the fun you are having now. You can love yourself for all eternity while understanding you are nothing but an illusion which is not real.
Obviously you are totally confused. That which exists, exists regardless of whether you are aware of its existence or not.
Stop trying to run from reality Brad. There will come a time when you have to face the fact that you are self deluded whether you like it or not. However I guess you can always reject and ignore it for ever and keep creating new illusions for yourself to believe.
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12/7/2014 9:49:27 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/7/2014 5:22:03 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
The Bible does, obviously, often speak figuratively on some matters, and one must possess wisdom to correctly interpret its meaning.

Here's my thoughts on Hell:
It is not actually a lake of fire. Rather, it is a place where human beings are separated from God. It is not so much punishment for sins as much as it is a choice. You chose to live your entire life apart from God without repenting and thus you have chosen to live separate from God for all eternity.

Separation (and cessation of existence) from a god we have no knowledge of seems completely reasonable if such a god exists. Although, I must disagree that belief is a choice. I cannot choose to accept something I have no reason to believe exists.

Thus, God does not have to "add" things to Hell (like literal fire) to make it bad. Rather, the torment IS that you are completely separate from God for all eternity.
On Earth, though we are separate from God, He still allows us to enjoy His gifts here on Earth. In Hell, however, eternal separation from God means that you are also cut off from all of God's gifts. That is, it's a place of nothingness, "darkness".

I'm curious what you think "His gifts" are.

It is a place with nothing, where people are doomed to exist eternally in a place where there is a complete lack of anything, where they are without hope. Without God there is no hope, though the enjoyment of His gifts may bring temporary fulfillment (but those gifts are nonexistent in Hell). Thus, you are cut off from everything that may provide any fulfillment, that which provides meaning and a reason to live. Meanwhile, those who have accepted the gift of salvation get to enjoy an eternity in the presence of God, in Heaven.

...and that is problem with your version of Hell, at least if your god is omnibenevolent/just.

Any thoughts on this interpretation?
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12/8/2014 3:11:10 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/7/2014 8:35:05 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 12/7/2014 7:32:05 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:

...Do you not understand what a CFZ thread is?

No. Please enlighten me to the acronym. I have no clue what it means.


Comical Fools Zone?

A more appropriate name for it is an "assuming said religion is true" thread. That is, the religion in question is not questioned in said thread (there are other threads for that purpose). Rather, everyone posting to this discussion does so assuming that the religion in question is true, and that what is to be discussed in that thread is perhaps a certain interpretation of a certain concept within said religion.
In this thread, you're supposed to discuss my interpretation of what Hell is, assuming that Christianity is true. This thread is not to be used to question or criticize Christianity. There are 1,000,000,000+ threads already in existence for that purpose. Of course, CFZ threads may apply to any religion.
Am I making sense here?
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12/8/2014 3:16:08 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/8/2014 3:11:10 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 12/7/2014 8:35:05 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 12/7/2014 7:32:05 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:

...Do you not understand what a CFZ thread is?

No. Please enlighten me to the acronym. I have no clue what it means.


Comical Fools Zone?

A more appropriate name for it is an "assuming said religion is true" thread. That is, the religion in question is not questioned in said thread (there are other threads for that purpose). Rather, everyone posting to this discussion does so assuming that the religion in question is true, and that what is to be discussed in that thread is perhaps a certain interpretation of a certain concept within said religion.
In this thread, you're supposed to discuss my interpretation of what Hell is, assuming that Christianity is true. This thread is not to be used to question or criticize Christianity. There are 1,000,000,000+ threads already in existence for that purpose. Of course, CFZ threads may apply to any religion.
Am I making sense here?

To provide another example, a Muslim creates a thread called "CFZ I eat pork is that okay?" Anyone who posts in that thread should NOT respond with "First of all prove your religion is true." Rather, in posting on the CFZ thread you assume, just for a moment, that Islam is true and you answer the question according to some Muslim interpretation or source.
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12/8/2014 3:21:26 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/8/2014 3:16:08 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 12/8/2014 3:11:10 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 12/7/2014 8:35:05 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 12/7/2014 7:32:05 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:

...Do you not understand what a CFZ thread is?

No. Please enlighten me to the acronym. I have no clue what it means.


Comical Fools Zone?

A more appropriate name for it is an "assuming said religion is true" thread. That is, the religion in question is not questioned in said thread (there are other threads for that purpose). Rather, everyone posting to this discussion does so assuming that the religion in question is true, and that what is to be discussed in that thread is perhaps a certain interpretation of a certain concept within said religion.
In this thread, you're supposed to discuss my interpretation of what Hell is, assuming that Christianity is true. This thread is not to be used to question or criticize Christianity. There are 1,000,000,000+ threads already in existence for that purpose. Of course, CFZ threads may apply to any religion.
Am I making sense here?

To provide another example, a Muslim creates a thread called "CFZ I eat pork is that okay?" Anyone who posts in that thread should NOT respond with "First of all prove your religion is true." Rather, in posting on the CFZ thread you assume, just for a moment, that Islam is true and you answer the question according to some Muslim interpretation or source.

I feel that the CFZ label has the potential to be very helpful to the Religion Forum.
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12/8/2014 7:26:48 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/8/2014 3:21:26 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 12/8/2014 3:16:08 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 12/8/2014 3:11:10 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 12/7/2014 8:35:05 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 12/7/2014 7:32:05 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:

...Do you not understand what a CFZ thread is?

No. Please enlighten me to the acronym. I have no clue what it means.


Comical Fools Zone?

A more appropriate name for it is an "assuming said religion is true" thread. That is, the religion in question is not questioned in said thread (there are other threads for that purpose). Rather, everyone posting to this discussion does so assuming that the religion in question is true, and that what is to be discussed in that thread is perhaps a certain interpretation of a certain concept within said religion.
In this thread, you're supposed to discuss my interpretation of what Hell is, assuming that Christianity is true. This thread is not to be used to question or criticize Christianity. There are 1,000,000,000+ threads already in existence for that purpose. Of course, CFZ threads may apply to any religion.
Am I making sense here?


No not at all.

To provide another example, a Muslim creates a thread called "CFZ I eat pork is that okay?" Anyone who posts in that thread should NOT respond with "First of all prove your religion is true." Rather, in posting on the CFZ thread you assume, just for a moment, that Islam is true and you answer the question according to some Muslim interpretation or source.

So you are basically saying you need to humor the people and pretend you agree with them and answer according to what they believe and what they want to hear ?

I feel that the CFZ label has the potential to be very helpful to the Religion Forum.

You still have not told me what the acronym stands for. Don't you know either?
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12/8/2014 7:30:39 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/7/2014 5:22:03 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
The Bible does, obviously, often speak figuratively on some matters, and one must possess wisdom to correctly interpret its meaning.

Here's my thoughts on Hell:
It is not actually a lake of fire. Rather, it is a place where human beings are separated from God. It is not so much punishment for sins as much as it is a choice. You chose to live your entire life apart from God without repenting and thus you have chosen to live separate from God for all eternity.
Thus, God does not have to "add" things to Hell (like literal fire) to make it bad. Rather, the torment IS that you are completely separate from God for all eternity.
On Earth, though we are separate from God, He still allows us to enjoy His gifts here on Earth. In Hell, however, eternal separation from God means that you are also cut off from all of God's gifts. That is, it's a place of nothingness, "darkness".
It is a place with nothing, where people are doomed to exist eternally in a place where there is a complete lack of anything, where they are without hope. Without God there is no hope, though the enjoyment of His gifts may bring temporary fulfillment (but those gifts are nonexistent in Hell). Thus, you are cut off from everything that may provide any fulfillment, that which provides meaning and a reason to live. Meanwhile, those who have accepted the gift of salvation get to enjoy an eternity in the presence of God, in Heaven.

Any thoughts on this interpretation?

That sums it up and sounds like a pretty good way to spend eternity if you're asking me.
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12/8/2014 8:10:29 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/7/2014 8:59:49 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 12/7/2014 8:10:00 PM, tabularasa wrote:
At 12/7/2014 6:31:07 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 12/7/2014 5:22:03 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
The Bible does, obviously, often speak figuratively on some matters, and one must possess wisdom to correctly interpret its meaning.

Here's my thoughts on Hell:
It is not actually a lake of fire. Rather, it is a place where human beings are separated from God. It is not so much punishment for sins as much as it is a choice. You chose to live your entire life apart from God without repenting and thus you have chosen to live separate from God for all eternity.

What does it mean in your mind to be separated from God? Is it about being separated from a supernatural character or being separated from revelation/ understanding/ enlightenment/ wisdom /life itself. ?

How can anyone make a choice to live apart from life itself?

Everyone who is born has no choice in the matter of being born. We do get a choice as to whether we wish to remain alive or not. Everyone can choose to destroy their own life if they wish or wait till fate decides to take it from them but either way all are destined to die. What is there to repent of? Living? Should we be sorry that we were ever born?
All are born ignorant and innocent.

Thus, God does not have to "add" things to Hell (like literal fire) to make it bad. Rather, the torment IS that you are completely separate from God for all eternity.

There is no torment in being separated from a mythical being. There is no torment in the grave. Any torment which exists, exists in life not in death. Humans torment themselves in their own minds. They also torment and torture each other in physical ways. That all ends when one dies. No one can torture or torment you when you are dead. Dead people feel and know nothing. They are separated from life and all its torments.

On Earth, though we are separate from God, He still allows us to enjoy His gifts here on Earth. In Hell, however, eternal separation from God means that you are also cut off from all of God's gifts. That is, it's a place of nothingness, "darkness".

How can you be separated from your God on Earth when your God is supposedly everywhere? Is your God not omnipresent? Is he not with you always? If he is, how can you be separate from him?
Hell is a state of being in a spiritual sense. In a literal sense it means grave.

It is a place with nothing, where people are doomed to exist eternally in a place where there is a complete lack of anything, where they are without hope. Without God there is no hope, though the enjoyment of His gifts may bring temporary fulfillment (but those gifts are nonexistent in Hell). Thus, you are cut off from everything that may provide any fulfillment, that which provides meaning and a reason to live. Meanwhile, those who have accepted the gift of salvation get to enjoy an eternity in the presence of God, in Heaven.

Hell is not a location. It is a state of mind where the mind tortures the body. It is a state of conscience where you are feeling guilty all the time and can find no relief from the sense of guilt.
All people are physically doomed to exist as dust and remain in their grave after death.
Life goes on regardless of how many people die.
The presence of God is everywhere if God is omnipresent so to imply you can only be in his presence in some location called Heaven and also imply that location is not on Earth is sheer ignorance of what God and heaven and hell really is.

Any thoughts on this interpretation?

I think you are believing in imaginary supernatural characters who live in imaginary locations.

Heaven and hell are not locations. They are states of mind, "states of being". Those who abide in "Heaven" are in the state of inner peace and rest. Those who abide in "Hell" are in the state of inner turmoil and conflict.
You need to be alive to be in both those states. The dead are resting in peace for all eternity.

This reply is very inconsistent. It is difficult to tell whether you believe in God or not. It is also difficult to tell if you believe in afterlife or not. Clarify? (briefly)

I do not believe in any supernatural characters named God or Satan.
I believe in the concept of God representing Life or the "Spirit of Life" Life obviously exists. Life is made up of what humans perceive as both good and evil.

I do not believe anyone gets raised from the dead in any physical sense at any time.
I believe in the concept of death representing ignorance/darkness. I believe that people are raised out of ignorance when they gain understanding/ enlightenment.

Any physical life after physical death is just the life of the living which continue to live after they bury their dead. Life goes on but not for the dead. Only for the living.

Thank you so much for clarifying. I usually ask people to clarify, and they do not reply. Thanks.
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2. Give me an argument. Spell it out. "You're wrong," is not an argument.
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12/8/2014 9:18:14 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/8/2014 7:26:48 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 12/8/2014 3:21:26 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 12/8/2014 3:16:08 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 12/8/2014 3:11:10 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 12/7/2014 8:35:05 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 12/7/2014 7:32:05 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:

...Do you not understand what a CFZ thread is?

No. Please enlighten me to the acronym. I have no clue what it means.


Comical Fools Zone?

A more appropriate name for it is an "assuming said religion is true" thread. That is, the religion in question is not questioned in said thread (there are other threads for that purpose). Rather, everyone posting to this discussion does so assuming that the religion in question is true, and that what is to be discussed in that thread is perhaps a certain interpretation of a certain concept within said religion.
In this thread, you're supposed to discuss my interpretation of what Hell is, assuming that Christianity is true. This thread is not to be used to question or criticize Christianity. There are 1,000,000,000+ threads already in existence for that purpose. Of course, CFZ threads may apply to any religion.
Am I making sense here?


No not at all.

I don't see how I can clarify further.

To provide another example, a Muslim creates a thread called "CFZ I eat pork is that okay?" Anyone who posts in that thread should NOT respond with "First of all prove your religion is true." Rather, in posting on the CFZ thread you assume, just for a moment, that Islam is true and you answer the question according to some Muslim interpretation or source.

So you are basically saying you need to humor the people and pretend you agree with them and answer according to what they believe and what they want to hear ?

*sigh* If that's how you wish to view it.

I feel that the CFZ label has the potential to be very helpful to the Religion Forum.

You still have not told me what the acronym stands for. Don't you know either?

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12/9/2014 2:20:19 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/8/2014 9:18:14 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 12/8/2014 7:26:48 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 12/8/2014 3:21:26 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 12/8/2014 3:16:08 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 12/8/2014 3:11:10 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
At 12/7/2014 8:35:05 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 12/7/2014 7:32:05 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:

...Do you not understand what a CFZ thread is?

No. Please enlighten me to the acronym. I have no clue what it means.


Comical Fools Zone?

A more appropriate name for it is an "assuming said religion is true" thread. That is, the religion in question is not questioned in said thread (there are other threads for that purpose). Rather, everyone posting to this discussion does so assuming that the religion in question is true, and that what is to be discussed in that thread is perhaps a certain interpretation of a certain concept within said religion.
In this thread, you're supposed to discuss my interpretation of what Hell is, assuming that Christianity is true. This thread is not to be used to question or criticize Christianity. There are 1,000,000,000+ threads already in existence for that purpose. Of course, CFZ threads may apply to any religion.
Am I making sense here?


No not at all.

I don't see how I can clarify further.

To provide another example, a Muslim creates a thread called "CFZ I eat pork is that okay?" Anyone who posts in that thread should NOT respond with "First of all prove your religion is true." Rather, in posting on the CFZ thread you assume, just for a moment, that Islam is true and you answer the question according to some Muslim interpretation or source.

So you are basically saying you need to humor the people and pretend you agree with them and answer according to what they believe and what they want to hear ?

*sigh* If that's how you wish to view it.

I feel that the CFZ label has the potential to be very helpful to the Religion Forum.

You still have not told me what the acronym stands for. Don't you know either?

Conflict Free Zone

Thank you.
Why didn't you say so in the first place?