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FREEDO
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5/23/2010 12:47:08 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
I'm reading a book right now that is extremely biased towards pro-Christianity and it gave this quote from Hitler, I'm just wondering if you had any in-put into whether it's accurate or false. It's a little shocking if it's true.

" Historically speaking, the Christian religion is nothing but a Jewish sect . . . After the destruction of Judaism, the extinction of Christian slave morals must follow logically . . . I shall know the moment when to confront, for the sake of the German people and the world, their Asiatic slave morals with our picture of the free man, the godlike man "
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5/23/2010 12:57:26 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
That doesn't seem like an extremely far-fetched quote, considering it's coming from Hitler. Christianity stems from Judaism. Jesus was a Jew. The Old Testament is the Jewish Torah. The evidence is there that Christianity in many ways could almost be considered a Jewish sect although it's a bit extreme to consider it such. Seems strange Hitler would say that too, considering there's speculation that he was Christian.
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5/23/2010 1:01:58 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/23/2010 12:59:39 AM, FREEDO wrote:
Speculation? Lol, it was the religion of the Nazi party.

One could argue that Hitler was more of a Pagan.
Kinesis
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5/23/2010 1:02:01 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
Is the book 'What If Jesus Had Never Been Born?'? Because after searching around Google for a bit, the only websites that have that quote are websites affiliated with that book. Very dubious then, IMO.
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5/23/2010 1:05:01 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
Christianity was likely meant as a Jewish sect, and is one technically, but in truth it somewhat failed to follow it's own scripture and is just a big fat fail. As for the rest of the quote, it's difficult to determine what you are querying.
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5/23/2010 1:07:13 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/23/2010 1:02:01 AM, Kinesis wrote:
Is the book 'What If Jesus Had Never Been Born?'? Because after searching around Google for a bit, the only websites that have that quote are websites affiliated with that book. Very dubious then, IMO.

Yep that's it.

Very curious indeed.
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5/23/2010 1:17:59 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
Hitler is wrong because he went to hell after he died.
That is what happens to everyone who stands against God.
"That song was absolutely waste of talent; you sounded like a wounded animal and who told you to play the guitar by yourself." Simon Cowell
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5/23/2010 1:18:50 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/23/2010 1:17:59 AM, lastrequest691 wrote:
Hitler is wrong because he went to hell after he died.
That is what happens to everyone who stands against God.

The rules change every week.
I am voting for Innomen because of his intelligence, common sense, humility and the fact that Juggle appears to listen to him. Any other Presidential style would have a large sub-section of the site up in arms. If I was President I would destroy the site though elitism, others would let it run riot. Innomen represents a middle way that works, neither draconian nor anarchic and that is the only way things can work. Plus he does it all without ego trips.
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5/23/2010 1:21:33 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/23/2010 1:17:59 AM, lastrequest691 wrote:
Hitler is wrong because he went to hell after he died.
That is what happens to everyone who stands against God.

As far as I'm concerned Hitler belongs in hell. :)
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5/23/2010 1:24:54 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/23/2010 1:21:33 AM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 5/23/2010 1:17:59 AM, lastrequest691 wrote:
Hitler is wrong because he went to hell after he died.
That is what happens to everyone who stands against God.

As far as I'm concerned Hitler belongs in hell. :)

For all that Hitler did, he does not deserve to go to hell. The only crime worthy of eternal torment would be the inflicting of eternal torment. In short, the only one every worthy of hell would be God.
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5/23/2010 1:25:42 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/23/2010 1:24:54 AM, FREEDO wrote:
At 5/23/2010 1:21:33 AM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 5/23/2010 1:17:59 AM, lastrequest691 wrote:
Hitler is wrong because he went to hell after he died.
That is what happens to everyone who stands against God.

As far as I'm concerned Hitler belongs in hell. :)

For all that Hitler did, he does not deserve to go to hell. The only crime worthy of eternal torment would be the inflicting of eternal torment. In short, the only one ever worthy of hell would be God.
GRAND POOBAH OF DDO

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5/23/2010 1:30:39 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/23/2010 1:24:54 AM, FREEDO wrote:
At 5/23/2010 1:21:33 AM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 5/23/2010 1:17:59 AM, lastrequest691 wrote:
Hitler is wrong because he went to hell after he died.
That is what happens to everyone who stands against God.

As far as I'm concerned Hitler belongs in hell. :)

For all that Hitler did, he does not deserve to go to hell. The only crime worthy of eternal torment would be the inflicting of eternal torment. In short, the only one every worthy of hell would be God.

No. :( You just don't like God.
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5/23/2010 1:35:29 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
Anyone who thinks Hitler is guilty is an enemy of free speech. Anyone who believes in free speech declares Hitler innocent.
"We must raise the standard of the Old, free, decentralized, and strictly limited Republic."
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-- Frederic Bastiat
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5/23/2010 1:39:42 AM
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Hitler will only go to heaven if he had accepted Christ minutes before the Russians killed him.

But if it is true that Hitler commited suicide then he is in hell with people like Marilyn Monroe, Elvis, Stalin and many other.
"That song was absolutely waste of talent; you sounded like a wounded animal and who told you to play the guitar by yourself." Simon Cowell
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5/23/2010 1:45:45 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/23/2010 1:39:42 AM, lastrequest691 wrote:
Hitler will only go to heaven if he had accepted Christ minutes before the Russians killed him.

But if it is true that Hitler commited suicide then he is in hell with people like Marilyn Monroe, Elvis, Stalin and many other.

LMMAAAOOOOO
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5/23/2010 1:46:10 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/23/2010 1:35:29 AM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
Anyone who thinks Hitler is guilty is an enemy of free speech. Anyone who believes in free speech declares Hitler innocent.

What are you rambling about now?
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5/23/2010 1:51:02 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/23/2010 1:46:10 AM, FREEDO wrote:
At 5/23/2010 1:35:29 AM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
Anyone who thinks Hitler is guilty is an enemy of free speech. Anyone who believes in free speech declares Hitler innocent.

What are you rambling about now?

People were saying Hitler deserved Hell, or at least worthy of punishment. He never killed a single person (except himself), and thus is innocent. Though, I've already had long discussions about this in the forums. Not about to go through it again.
"We must raise the standard of the Old, free, decentralized, and strictly limited Republic."
-- Murray Rothbard

"The worst thing that can happen to a good cause is, not to be skillfully attacked, but to be ineptly defended."
-- Frederic Bastiat
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5/23/2010 1:53:58 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/23/2010 1:51:02 AM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 5/23/2010 1:46:10 AM, FREEDO wrote:
At 5/23/2010 1:35:29 AM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
Anyone who thinks Hitler is guilty is an enemy of free speech. Anyone who believes in free speech declares Hitler innocent.

What are you rambling about now?

People were saying Hitler deserved Hell, or at least worthy of punishment. He never killed a single person (except himself), and thus is innocent. Though, I've already had long discussions about this in the forums. Not about to go through it again.

So rulers should never be held accountable for commanding genocide? Hitler used mind-control over the masses which makes it a little more than indirect anyways.
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5/23/2010 1:55:08 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/23/2010 1:51:02 AM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 5/23/2010 1:46:10 AM, FREEDO wrote:
At 5/23/2010 1:35:29 AM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
Anyone who thinks Hitler is guilty is an enemy of free speech. Anyone who believes in free speech declares Hitler innocent.

What are you rambling about now?

People were saying Hitler deserved Hell, or at least worthy of punishment. He never killed a single person (except himself), and thus is innocent. Though, I've already had long discussions about this in the forums. Not about to go through it again.

He's still guilty as he gave the orders. It's like when somebody gets stoned in Iran. The authorities are just as guilty as they gave the orders.
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5/23/2010 1:57:13 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/23/2010 1:24:54 AM, FREEDO wrote:
At 5/23/2010 1:21:33 AM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 5/23/2010 1:17:59 AM, lastrequest691 wrote:
Hitler is wrong because he went to hell after he died.
That is what happens to everyone who stands against God.

As far as I'm concerned Hitler belongs in hell. :)

For all that Hitler did, he does not deserve to go to hell. The only crime worthy of eternal torment would be the inflicting of eternal torment. In short, the only one every worthy of hell would be God.

Brilliant!
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5/23/2010 2:13:33 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/23/2010 1:57:35 AM, FREEDO wrote:
Besides, Hitler did kill people when he served in WWI.

He didn't serve as a soldier as far as I'm aware. More of a messenger.
"We must raise the standard of the Old, free, decentralized, and strictly limited Republic."
-- Murray Rothbard

"The worst thing that can happen to a good cause is, not to be skillfully attacked, but to be ineptly defended."
-- Frederic Bastiat
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5/23/2010 2:15:25 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/23/2010 1:53:58 AM, FREEDO wrote:

So rulers should never be held accountable for commanding genocide? Hitler used mind-control over the masses which makes it a little more than indirect anyways.

You're an enemy of free speech. I don't care who you are or what your status is, you can say whatever you damnwell please.

I can command my friend to jump off a bridge, but it doesn't mean I'm guilty if he's actually dumb enough to do it. Everyone has a choice in spite of what anyone tells them to do.
"We must raise the standard of the Old, free, decentralized, and strictly limited Republic."
-- Murray Rothbard

"The worst thing that can happen to a good cause is, not to be skillfully attacked, but to be ineptly defended."
-- Frederic Bastiat
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5/23/2010 2:35:48 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/23/2010 2:15:25 AM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 5/23/2010 1:53:58 AM, FREEDO wrote:

So rulers should never be held accountable for commanding genocide? Hitler used mind-control over the masses which makes it a little more than indirect anyways.

You're an enemy of free speech. I don't care who you are or what your status is, you can say whatever you damnwell please.

I can command my friend to jump off a bridge, but it doesn't mean I'm guilty if he's actually dumb enough to do it. Everyone has a choice in spite of what anyone tells them to do.

You are guilty if you first brainwash him to do whatever you command, then purposefully give him a faulty parachute. You've essentially pushed him off the cliff - the only difference is your methods in doing it.
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5/23/2010 3:44:18 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/23/2010 1:35:29 AM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
Anyone who thinks Hitler is guilty is an enemy of free speech. Anyone who believes in free speech declares Hitler innocent.

Wow Geo.

Out of all the crazy stuff you've written, this could just take the biscuit and win the crazy cookie.

There is a big difference between stating an opinion and starting a war, between insults and genocide. Is a mafioso don innocent of the murders he orders his thugs to commit?

I like Freedo's comment on hell by the way.
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5/23/2010 3:47:02 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/23/2010 3:44:18 AM, feverish wrote:
At 5/23/2010 1:35:29 AM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
Anyone who thinks Hitler is guilty is an enemy of free speech. Anyone who believes in free speech declares Hitler innocent.

Wow Geo.

Out of all the crazy stuff you've written, this could just take the biscuit and win the crazy cookie.

There is a big difference between stating an opinion and starting a war, between insults and genocide. Is a mafioso don innocent of the murders he orders his thugs to commit?


Thought the same thing.
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5/23/2010 3:49:01 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/23/2010 3:44:18 AM, feverish wrote:
At 5/23/2010 1:35:29 AM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
Anyone who thinks Hitler is guilty is an enemy of free speech. Anyone who believes in free speech declares Hitler innocent.

Wow Geo.

Out of all the crazy stuff you've written, this could just take the biscuit and win the crazy cookie.


Don't be silly. He's said far crazier things.