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5/24/2010 12:31:57 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
"Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man."
~ Thomas Jefferson

"The way to see by faith is to close the eye of reason"
~ Benjamin Franklin

"It is from the Bible that man has learned cruelty, rapine and murder; for the belief of a cruel God makes a cruel man."
~ Thomas Paine

"The Christian system of religion is an outrage on common sense."
~ Thomas Paine

"I cannot conceive otherwise than that He, the Infinite Father, expects or requires no worship or praise from us, but that He is even infinitely above it."
~ Benjamin Franklin

"As I understand the Christian religion, it was, and is, a revelation. But how has it happened that millions of fables, tales, legends, have been blended with both Jewish and Christian revelation that have made them the most bloody religion that ever existed?"
~ John Adams

"In every country and every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot"
~ Thomas Jefferson

"Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear."
~ Thomas Jefferson

"What influence, in fact, have ecclesiastical establishments had on society? In some instances they have been seen to erect a spiritual tyranny on the ruins of the civil authority; on many instances they have been seen upholding the thrones of political tyranny; in no instance have they been the guardians of the liberties of the people. Rulers who wish to subvert the public liberty may have found an established clergy convenient auxiliaries. A just government, instituted to secure and perpetuate it, needs them not."
~ James Madison

"The story of the redemption will not stand examination. That man should redeem himself from the sin of eating an apple by committing a murder on Jesus Christ, is the strangest system of religion ever set up."
~ Thomas Paine

"Thirteen governments [of the original states] thus founded on the natural authority of the people alone, without a pretence of miracle or mystery, and which are destined to spread over the northern part of that whole quarter of the globe, are a great point gained in favor of the rights of mankind."
~ John Adams

"This would be the best of possible worlds, if there were no religion in it"
~John Adams

"Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, imprisoned; yet we have not advanced an inch towards uniformity. What has been the effects of coercion? To make one half of the world fools, and the other half hypocrites. To support roguery and error all over the Earth.
~ Thomas Jefferson

"It is too late in the day for men of sincerity to pretend they believe in the Platonic mysticisms that three are one, and one is three; and yet that the one is not three, and the three are not one. But this constitutes the craft, the power and the profit of the priests."
~ Thomas Jefferson

"The most detestable wickedness, the most horrid cruelties, and the greatest miseries that have afflicted the human race have had their origin in this thing called revelation, or revealed religion."
~ Thomas Paine

"Yet this is trash that the Church imposes upon the world as the Word of God; this is the collection of lies and contradictions called the Holy Bible! This is the rubbish called Revealed Religion!"
~Thomas Paine

"History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance, of which their political as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purpose."
~ Thomas Jefferson

"On the dogmas of religion, as distinguished from moral principles, all mankind, from the beginning of the world to this day, have been quarreling, fighting, burning and torturing one another, for abstractions unintelligible to themselves and to all others, and absolutely beyond the comprehension of the human mind."
~ Thomas Jefferson

"Lighthouses are more helpful than churches.
~ Benjamin Franklin

"All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit."
~ Thomas Paine

"In the affairs of the world, men are saved, not by faith, but by the lack of it."
~ Benjamin Franklin

"I have recently been examining all the known superstitions of the world, and do not find in our particular superstition (Christianity) one redeeming feature. They are all alike founded on fables and mythology."
~ Benjamin Franklin

_____

I'd also like to add that though George Washington didn't have any bold anti-religious quotes besides the separation of church and state, he himself was only a Christian in name. He refused to ever take communion, to pray on his death bed and also never mentioned the name Jesus Christ even once out of all his many letters.

_____

And lastly I leave you with a quote from the new testament:

Romans 13:1: "Let every person be subject to the governing authorities; for there is no authority except from God, and those authorities that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore whoever resist authority resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment."
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5/24/2010 12:48:49 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
And they weren't as far right as you may think. Thomas Paine came up with the minimum wage and a few of them were in favor of things like public education which was radical at the time.
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5/24/2010 1:04:31 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
Many people forget that these are men of the Enlightenment Age, not Christianity.
"We must raise the standard of the Old, free, decentralized, and strictly limited Republic."
-- Murray Rothbard

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5/24/2010 6:30:25 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
Bull sh-t.

At 5/24/2010 12:31:57 AM, FREEDO wrote:
"It is from the Bible that man has learned cruelty, rapine and murder; for the belief of a cruel God makes a cruel man."
~ Thomas Paine

"I cannot conceive otherwise than that He, the Infinite Father, expects or requires no worship or praise from us, but that He is even infinitely above it."
~ Benjamin Franklin

"In every country and every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot"
~ Thomas Jefferson

"What influence, in fact, have ecclesiastical establishments had on society? In some instances they have been seen to erect a spiritual tyranny on the ruins of the civil authority; on many instances they have been seen upholding the thrones of political tyranny; in no instance have they been the guardians of the liberties of the people. Rulers who wish to subvert the public liberty may have found an established clergy convenient auxiliaries. A just government, instituted to secure and perpetuate it, needs them not."
~ James Madison
The worst. Open a History book.

"The story of the redemption will not stand examination. That man should redeem himself from the sin of eating an apple by committing a murder on Jesus Christ, is the strangest system of religion ever set up."
~ Thomas Paine

"This would be the best of possible worlds, if there were no religion in it"
~John Adams

"Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, imprisoned; yet we have not advanced an inch towards uniformity. What has been the effects of coercion? To make one half of the world fools, and the other half hypocrites. To support roguery and error all over the Earth.
~ Thomas Jefferson

"It is too late in the day for men of sincerity to pretend they believe in the Platonic mysticisms that three are one, and one is three; and yet that the one is not three, and the three are not one. But this constitutes the craft, the power and the profit of the priests."
~ Thomas Jefferson

"The most detestable wickedness, the most horrid cruelties, and the greatest miseries that have afflicted the human race have had their origin in this thing called revelation, or revealed religion."
~ Thomas Paine

"Yet this is trash that the Church imposes upon the world as the Word of God; this is the collection of lies and contradictions called the Holy Bible! This is the rubbish called Revealed Religion!"
~Thomas Paine

"History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance, of which their political as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purpose."
~ Thomas Jefferson

"On the dogmas of religion, as distinguished from moral principles, all mankind, from the beginning of the world to this day, have been quarreling, fighting, burning and torturing one another, for abstractions unintelligible to themselves and to all others, and absolutely beyond the comprehension of the human mind."
~ Thomas Jefferson

"In the affairs of the world, men are saved, not by faith, but by the lack of it."
~ Benjamin Franklin

"I have recently been examining all the known superstitions of the world, and do not find in our particular superstition (Christianity) one redeeming feature. They are all alike founded on fables and mythology."
~ Benjamin Franklin

_____

I'd also like to add that though George Washington didn't have any bold anti-religious quotes besides the separation of church and state, he himself was only a Christian in name. He refused to ever take communion, to pray on his death bed and also never mentioned the name Jesus Christ even once out of all his many letters.

_____

And lastly I leave you with a quote from the new testament:

Romans 13:1: "Let every person be subject to the governing authorities; for there is no authority except from God, and those authorities that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore whoever resist authority resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment."
And thus spoke the Lord his word be praised.
'sup DDO -- july 2013
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5/24/2010 6:33:33 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/24/2010 6:11:26 AM, popculturepooka wrote:
Are we supposed to care?

not you.

only all the atheist who have to deal with their various ideas of church and state being called un-american by religious folk
"He who does not know how to put his will into things at least puts a meaning into them: that is, he believes there is a will in them already."

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5/24/2010 6:48:12 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights.
'sup DDO -- july 2013
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5/24/2010 6:49:00 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/24/2010 6:48:12 AM, Zetsubou wrote:
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights.

And IT SAYS IT ON THE QUARTER!!!
"He who does not know how to put his will into things at least puts a meaning into them: that is, he believes there is a will in them already."

Metaphysics:
"The science.. which deals with the fundamental errors of mankind - but as if they were the fundamental truths."
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5/24/2010 6:59:13 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/24/2010 6:48:12 AM, Zetsubou wrote:
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights.

that was written by Thomas Jefferson

As, apparently was this:

"History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance, of which their political as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purpose."
~ Thomas Jefferson
"He who does not know how to put his will into things at least puts a meaning into them: that is, he believes there is a will in them already."

Metaphysics:
"The science.. which deals with the fundamental errors of mankind - but as if they were the fundamental truths."
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5/24/2010 7:09:39 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/24/2010 12:48:49 AM, FREEDO wrote:
And they weren't as far right as you may think. Thomas Paine came up with the minimum wage and a few of them were in favor of things like public education which was radical at the time.

Of course they weren't to the right, at the time they were the left, now because of history, time, and the meaning of "left" they are the right.
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5/24/2010 7:21:01 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/24/2010 6:48:12 AM, Zetsubou wrote:
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights.

Creator does not mean the Christian god.
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5/24/2010 4:10:56 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
They were Deists. Which is much more sensible than Christianity. Bottom-line is they hated religion. Deism isn't really considered a religion.
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5/25/2010 5:25:31 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At JSA Spring State, someone was trying to argue that this nation was found on Christianity. When the time came when I could ask a question, I asked which part of the Bible was translated over to the Constitution. After thirty seconds of mumbling, the speaker conceded that there wasn't any Bible in the Constitution. They were able to bring up "In God We Trust", but that wasn't established anywhere near the founding and it was meant to be ambiguous.
in the blink of an eye you finally see the light
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8/21/2010 9:45:39 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/24/2010 12:31:57 AM, FREEDO wrote:
"Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man."
~ Thomas Jefferson

"The way to see by faith is to close the eye of reason"
~ Benjamin Franklin

"It is from the Bible that man has learned cruelty, rapine and murder; for the belief of a cruel God makes a cruel man."
~ Thomas Paine

"The Christian system of religion is an outrage on common sense."
~ Thomas Paine

"I cannot conceive otherwise than that He, the Infinite Father, expects or requires no worship or praise from us, but that He is even infinitely above it."
~ Benjamin Franklin

"As I understand the Christian religion, it was, and is, a revelation. But how has it happened that millions of fables, tales, legends, have been blended with both Jewish and Christian revelation that have made them the most bloody religion that ever existed?"
~ John Adams

"In every country and every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot"
~ Thomas Jefferson

"Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear."
~ Thomas Jefferson

"What influence, in fact, have ecclesiastical establishments had on society? In some instances they have been seen to erect a spiritual tyranny on the ruins of the civil authority; on many instances they have been seen upholding the thrones of political tyranny; in no instance have they been the guardians of the liberties of the people. Rulers who wish to subvert the public liberty may have found an established clergy convenient auxiliaries. A just government, instituted to secure and perpetuate it, needs them not."
~ James Madison

"The story of the redemption will not stand examination. That man should redeem himself from the sin of eating an apple by committing a murder on Jesus Christ, is the strangest system of religion ever set up."
~ Thomas Paine

"Thirteen governments [of the original states] thus founded on the natural authority of the people alone, without a pretence of miracle or mystery, and which are destined to spread over the northern part of that whole quarter of the globe, are a great point gained in favor of the rights of mankind."
~ John Adams

"This would be the best of possible worlds, if there were no religion in it"
~John Adams

"Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, imprisoned; yet we have not advanced an inch towards uniformity. What has been the effects of coercion? To make one half of the world fools, and the other half hypocrites. To support roguery and error all over the Earth.
~ Thomas Jefferson

"It is too late in the day for men of sincerity to pretend they believe in the Platonic mysticisms that three are one, and one is three; and yet that the one is not three, and the three are not one. But this constitutes the craft, the power and the profit of the priests."
~ Thomas Jefferson

"The most detestable wickedness, the most horrid cruelties, and the greatest miseries that have afflicted the human race have had their origin in this thing called revelation, or revealed religion."
~ Thomas Paine

"Yet this is trash that the Church imposes upon the world as the Word of God; this is the collection of lies and contradictions called the Holy Bible! This is the rubbish called Revealed Religion!"
~Thomas Paine

"History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance, of which their political as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purpose."
~ Thomas Jefferson

"On the dogmas of religion, as distinguished from moral principles, all mankind, from the beginning of the world to this day, have been quarreling, fighting, burning and torturing one another, for abstractions unintelligible to themselves and to all others, and absolutely beyond the comprehension of the human mind."
~ Thomas Jefferson

"Lighthouses are more helpful than churches.
~ Benjamin Franklin

"All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit."
~ Thomas Paine

"In the affairs of the world, men are saved, not by faith, but by the lack of it."
~ Benjamin Franklin

"I have recently been examining all the known superstitions of the world, and do not find in our particular superstition (Christianity) one redeeming feature. They are all alike founded on fables and mythology."
~ Benjamin Franklin

_____

I'd also like to add that though George Washington didn't have any bold anti-religious quotes besides the separation of church and state, he himself was only a Christian in name. He refused to ever take communion, to pray on his death bed and also never mentioned the name Jesus Christ even once out of all his many letters.
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Every one of the above was a freemason _____
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And lastly I leave you with a quote from the new testament:

Romans 13:1: "Let every person be subject to the governing authorities; for there is no authority except from God, and those authorities that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore whoever resist authority resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment.
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WE ARE NOT SUBJECT TO THE AUTHORITY OF MAN, WHO KILLED JESUS, THREW DANIEL IN THE DEN, HELD THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL CAPTIVE FOR 70 YEARS, etc....

Ahab, benOmri, was one of Israel's most powerful kings. He was also the most wicked.

Ahab married Jezebel, daughter of Ethbaal of Tyre, the priest of Astarte [also known as Eastre] and, being persuaded by his wife, Ahab built an altar to Baal and an oracular grove in Samaria (1Kings 16:30-33).

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8/21/2010 2:51:07 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/21/2010 9:45:39 AM, the-good-teacher wrote:

Every one of the above was a freemason _____

You obviously have some very strange ides about the masons.

WE ARE NOT SUBJECT TO THE AUTHORITY OF MAN, WHO KILLED JESUS, THREW DANIEL IN THE DEN, HELD THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL CAPTIVE FOR 70 YEARS, etc....
Ahab, benOmri, was one of Israel's most powerful kings. He was also the most wicked.
Ahab married Jezebel, daughter of Ethbaal of Tyre, the priest of Astarte [also known as Eastre] and, being persuaded by his wife, Ahab built an altar to Baal and an oracular grove in Samaria (1Kings 16:30-33).

Jesus H. Bunnyhumping Christ!!! Who gives a flying f*ck??? This has NOTHING to do with early American politics...
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8/21/2010 5:54:33 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/24/2010 6:11:26 AM, popculturepooka wrote:
Are we supposed to care?

Yeah, you should. It matters that people keep trying to implement Christian values into politics when our very foundation rejected that concept... and that right-wingers keep trying to talk about "the American way" or what is right/American and reference the founding fathers who believe the complete opposite of what they're espousing. Turn on Faux News and listen to idiots like Bill O'Reilly talk about the Founding Fathers as if they were gods themselves, and that we should listen to everything they say... though he would disagree on a lot of what they say. Ah, ignorance.
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8/22/2010 12:37:52 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
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If the founding fathers were Freemasons then it has everything ti do with Jesus, because these Freemasons serve Satan

they are well on their way in their quest world domination

130 bases in countries all over the world,

Rev 13:4, And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him ?

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8/22/2010 9:06:12 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/24/2010 7:09:39 AM, innomen wrote:
At 5/24/2010 12:48:49 AM, FREEDO wrote:
And they weren't as far right as you may think. Thomas Paine came up with the minimum wage and a few of them were in favor of things like public education which was radical at the time.

Of course they weren't to the right, at the time they were the left, now because of history, time, and the meaning of "left" they are the right.

"They" weren't on any one political side. They had vastly different ideas. John Adams was a Federalist, while Thomas Jefferson was the equivalent of a modern-day Libertarian. Some were Christians, some were Deists, others (like Jefferson) despised religion.
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8/22/2010 9:11:05 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/22/2010 12:37:52 AM, the-good-teacher wrote:

If the founding fathers were Freemasons then it has everything ti do with Jesus, because these Freemasons serve Satan

Actually, religion is one of the forbidden topics at meetings of the masons...

they are well on their way in their quest world domination

I suppose they dominate through their charitable efforts like building houses and providing education grants.

130 bases in countries all over the world,

If "bases" means "lodges," sure.

Rev 13:4, And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him ?

Right - because Rev 13:4 was specifically about the masons.... you idiot...
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8/22/2010 1:50:45 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/22/2010 9:11:05 AM, JustCallMeTarzan wrote:
At 8/22/2010 12:37:52 AM, the-good-teacher wrote:

If the founding fathers were Freemasons then it has everything ti do with Jesus, because these Freemasons serve Satan

Actually, religion is one of the forbidden topics at meetings of the masons...
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Reply, - Freemasonry is a religion,
they are well on their way in their quest world domination

I suppose they dominate through their charitable efforts like building houses and providing education grants.
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Reply - their charitable efforts are not coming from the 33 degree, these efforts are made by lower degree masons who have no idea what they are involved in, and serve only to provide a smoke screen, they've never been to a masonic temple.
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130 bases in countries all over the world,

If "bases" means "lodges," sure.
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Reply -
The USA have 130 military bases world wide, put there by Freemasons,
When was the last non Mason in the White House ?
here's the speech that got him (JFK) killed.

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Rev 13:4, And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him ?

Right - because Rev 13:4 was specifically about the masons.... you idiot...
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Reply -
The "beast" is the "USA", YOU PLONKER LOL - but you wouldn't know that because you don't study it.
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TRY studying a topic before opening your mouth, that way you will have more chance of knowing what your talking about <((((>< Enjoy the speech it was his last.

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8/22/2010 4:25:05 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/22/2010 1:50:45 PM, the-good-teacher wrote:

Reply, - Freemasonry is a religion,

Freemasonry is a fraternity.

Reply -
The USA have 130 military bases world wide, put there by Freemasons,

Yes - all the military contractors are Freemasons. Even the leaders of the countries that GAVE us bases are Freemasons. You idiot...

When was the last non Mason in the White House ?
here's the speech that got him (JFK) killed.


Funny.... Johnson, Reagan, and Bush weren't Masons...

Reply -
The "beast" is the "USA", YOU PLONKER LOL - but you wouldn't know that because you don't study it.

Right - the USA is referenced in Revelations, 1700 years before it came into existence.

TRY studying a topic before opening your mouth, that way you will have more chance of knowing what your talking about

The only one here that clearly knows nothing about what he says is you...
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8/23/2010 1:05:43 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/22/2010 4:25:05 PM, JustCallMeTarzan wrote:
At 8/22/2010 1:50:45 PM, the-good-teacher wrote:

Reply, - Freemasonry is a religion,

Freemasonry is a fraternity.

Reply -
The USA have 130 military bases world wide, put there by Freemasons,

Yes - all the military contractors are Freemasons. Even the leaders of the countries that GAVE us bases are Freemasons. You idiot...

When was the last non Mason in the White House ?
here's the speech that got him (JFK) killed.


Funny.... Johnson, Reagan, and Bush weren't Masons...


Reply -
The "beast" is the "USA", YOU PLONKER LOL - but you wouldn't know that because you don't study it.

Right - the USA is referenced in Revelations, 1700 years before it came into existence.

TRY studying a topic before opening your mouth, that way you will have more chance of knowing what your talking about

The only one here that clearly knows nothing about what he says is you...

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" Freemasonry is a fraternity".
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- Answer -> There's loads of sites with the information that freemasonry was made a religion in California, (thanks to the Scottish rite)
Go to the bottom of the page - http://barbadosfreepress.wordpress.com...

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Yes - all the military contractors are Freemasons. Even the leaders of the countries that GAVE us bases are Freemasons. You idiot...
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Answer -> The US Government (Freemasons) put them there, Freemasonry have a world wide membership of approx 6M, this includes royalty, Prime Ministers, Plonkers, Governors, etc.
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Right - the USA is referenced in Revelations, 1700 years before it came into existence
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Answer -> Yes, in all four points (see video) http://www.youtube.com...
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Funny.... Johnson, Reagan, and Bush weren't Masons...
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Answer - Oh yes they were !....
http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com...
http://www.whale.to...

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8/23/2010 7:59:17 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/24/2010 12:31:57 AM, FREEDO wrote:
I'd also like to add that though George Washington didn't have any bold anti-religious quotes besides the separation of church and state, he himself was only a Christian in name. He refused to ever take communion, to pray on his death bed and also never mentioned the name Jesus Christ even once out of all his many letters.

And? Are you trying to say these men were not profoundly influenced by religion in a positive way? What is this push to revise history?

At 8/23/2010 1:05:43 AM, the-good-teacher wrote:
Answer - Oh yes they were !....
http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com...
http://www.whale.to...

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Oh my God! I had not idea! That video has totally convinced me!

You are completely retarded!

Take the aluminum foil off your head and stop skipping your dose. Medication is very important for your brain. Brains are the wet noodles inside your skull, so you know.
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: At 10/3/2012 4:28:52 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
: Without nothing existing, you couldn't have something.
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8/23/2010 8:27:37 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/23/2010 7:59:17 AM, tBoonePickens wrote:
At 5/24/2010 12:31:57 AM, FREEDO wrote:
I'd also like to add that though George Washington didn't have any bold anti-religious quotes besides the separation of church and state, he himself was only a Christian in name. He refused to ever take communion, to pray on his death bed and also never mentioned the name Jesus Christ even once out of all his many letters.

And? Are you trying to say these men were not profoundly influenced by religion in a positive way? What is this push to revise history?

At 8/23/2010 1:05:43 AM, the-good-teacher wrote:
Answer - Oh yes they were !....
http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com...
http://www.whale.to...

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Oh my God! I had not idea! That video has totally convinced me!

You are completely retarded!

Take the aluminum foil off your head and stop skipping your dose. Medication is very important for your brain. Brains are the wet noodles inside your skull, so you know.
Lol yea
Without Royal there is a hole inside of me, I have no choice but to leave
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8/23/2010 8:30:20 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
The founding fathers were progressive thinkers that were a great deal more proximal in time to some of the more atrocious crimes committed by the Catholic church. In fact, every single war that included the Western World up to World War II had something to do with religion. They considered religion through this lens, through an attitude that regarded religion as a catalyst or tool for war and large scale human abuse.

So, I think that what the founding fathers said should be taken in context, given that these statements were made while they attempted to protect the nation they were creating from being bastardized by the influences of evil men manipulating society to force an abusive classist system.

On that note, they've actually rather failed, but at no fault of their own and people continue to bicker about the inane minutiae of personal beliefs while ignoring the new devices used for the same purpose. New beliefs that society generally considers unalienable.
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8/23/2010 9:42:00 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/23/2010 1:05:43 AM, the-good-teacher wrote:

" Freemasonry is a fraternity".
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- Answer -> There's loads of sites with the information that freemasonry was made a religion in California, (thanks to the Scottish rite)
Go to the bottom of the page - http://barbadosfreepress.wordpress.com...

Did you actually read SRCALA v. City of LA??? I thought not.

First, the case actually doesn't say that Freemasonry is a religion. The case is about zoning ordinances, not religious groups.

Second, the court quotes Estate of Allen stating that Masonry is specifically not a religious institution, but, "Abstaining from sectarian theology and denominationalism, the doctrine insists upon individual freedom of religion."

Also, they quote Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry v. Board of County Commissioners which holds, "To the extent that religious purposes include the field of morals, masonry makes common cause with organized religion."

Third, although the opinion says, "we see no principled way to distinguish the pursuit of these principles... from more widely acknowledged modes of religious exercise," this statement is dicta, not holding, and certainly not a rule. In fact, when discussing the procedural holding from the lower court, the court of appeals EXPLICITLY SAID:

"The central question raised in this appeal is whether the City's revocation of
SRCALA's long-standing certificate of occupancy violated SRCALA's or LASRC's
rights under RLUIPA. The superior court held, without analysis, that RLUIPA did not
protect either entity because "the ‘Freemason' organization is [not] a religion." SRCALA and LASRC contend RLUIPA protects religious exercise "whether or not compelled by, or central to, a system of religious belief" (42 U.S.C. § 2000cc-5(7)(A)) and subjects the City's actions to strict scrutiny, thus requiring the City to select the least restrictive alternative for any remedial action burdening use of the Cathedral for religious exercise."


So basically... if you were too dense to understand this... you are completely wrong.

Answer -> The US Government (Freemasons) put them [foreign military bases] there, Freemasonry have a world wide membership of approx 6M, this includes royalty, Prime Ministers, Plonkers, Governors, etc.

Evidence? I suppose that the US military bases in places like Afghanistan, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, etc... that were built by local contractors were all Masons, right?

Here's a good example... Eskan Village Air Base in Saudi Arabia was given to the US by the Saudi Government. How many Freemasons do you suppose are members of the Saudi Government?

Answer -> Yes, in all four points (see video) http://www.youtube.com...

Here's just a few problems with the idiotic notion that Revelations mentions the US.

First, the social, technological, and political atmosphere of the United States in 2000 (or even in 1776) is so radically different from the first century Middle East that the authors could not have even imagined the US in their wildest dreams.

Second, the seven heads/ten horns is usually called the 7 Articles and the Bill of Rights in the Constitution. Conspiracy theorists usually skip the part about the crowns on the horns. Further, the original Bill of Rights was 12 amendments, not 10 (one of which is now the 27th amendment). Also, within 15 years after initial ratification of the Constitution, two additional Amendments were made. And last, the US was made in 1776, but the constitution not adopted until 1791... which means that the US existed for 15 years before this "prophecy" would have even applied in the least meaningful way.

The notion that the wounded heads of the beast were Kennedy and Lincoln is just stupid. Revelations says that the wounds were healed; both presidents died. Furthermore, Kennedy was shot in the back first, not the head.

The idiotic idea that 666 is somehow representative of the US in code (DCLXVI -> DC / 50 stars / 13 / 3 ) is as confounding as it is stupid. It requires the changing of the XVI portion of the Roman numeral into an improper form of XIII III, which is obviously incorrect. So in other words, if you make a purposeful error, some Roman numbers reference English words.

This idea that the US is the only remaining superpower is also wrong. It is not the beast sitting on the waters, reigning over the world. China, France, England, Germany, to some extent Russia, Japan, and Australia are all considered viable world Hedgemons.

Finally we come to the idea that the US is the "Mystery Babylon"... At the time of John and when Revelations was written, Babylon was a deserted city in the Middle East. The Mystery Babylon would have come either from a reinhabitance of this city or a similar city in the former Babylonian Empire... IF the verse is talking about the future. Here is a WONDERFUL source concerning the identity of "Mystery Babylon" - not a person, not a city, not a country, but a RELIGIOUS INSTITTION - http://www.mystery-babylon.net....

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Funny.... Johnson, Reagan, and Bush weren't Masons...
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Answer - Oh yes they were !....
http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com...
http://www.whale.to...

Johnson was technically initiated, but then left the order because he had too much other work to do. Reagan was awarded an honorary membership of the Imperial Council of the Shrine, but never participated in any rituals or meetings. Bush is confused for a Mason because he used a Bible in his oath of office that belongs to a local Masonic Lodge.

Furthermore, the list of non-Mason presidents is longer than I thought. It includes:

Adams, Jefferson, Madison, J.Q. Adams, van Buren, W.H. Harrison, Tyler, Taylor, Filmore, Pierce, Lincoln, Grant, Hayes, Arthur, Cleveland, B. Harrison, Wilson, Coolidge, Hoover, Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Carter, Reagan, Bush, Clinton, and GW Bush.

Here's a short list of the 14 that WERE Masons - http://www.mastermason.com...

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Seriously, get your facts straight. Then come play with the Big Kids.
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8/23/2010 10:22:35 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/23/2010 8:30:20 AM, Ren wrote:
The founding fathers were progressive thinkers that were a great deal more proximal in time to some of the more atrocious crimes committed by the Catholic church. In fact, every single war that included the Western World up to World War II had something to do with religion. They considered religion through this lens, through an attitude that regarded religion as a catalyst or tool for war and large scale human abuse.
You are so full of sh!t it's not even funny. What atrocities are you referring to, and what "Western Civ wars" before WWII were religious wars? Ri-god-damn-diculous.

So, I think that what the founding fathers said should be taken in context, given that these statements were made while they attempted to protect the nation they were creating from being bastardized by the influences of evil men manipulating society to force an abusive classist system.
They wanted the US to be free of tyranny, plain & simple.

On that note, they've actually rather failed, but at no fault of their own and people continue to bicker about the inane minutiae of personal beliefs while ignoring the new devices used for the same purpose. New beliefs that society generally considers unalienable.
I love it! The living & breathing constitution! That's exactly what the founders had in mind! NOT!
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: At 10/3/2012 4:28:52 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
: Without nothing existing, you couldn't have something.
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8/23/2010 10:31:51 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 8/23/2010 9:42:00 AM, JustCallMeTarzan wrote:
Seriously, get your facts straight. Then come play with the Big Kids.
LMFAO!
WOS
: At 10/3/2012 4:28:52 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
: Without nothing existing, you couldn't have something.