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5/27/2010 8:20:48 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
Who are/is the author(s)?

I have read it is 'P' - or some other nonsensical single letter title. But who are they? Why isn't there anything else that I have read in the Bible which says "And God bequeathed to me, the knowledge of how it all began!"

I know the Dead Sea Scrolls aren't a complete body of text, so there is room for speculation depending on context, but it is still a bit tricky without certain definitive provenance to declare something as fact and that this grants...teleology, for example.

Your thoughts.
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5/27/2010 8:08:48 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Moses wrote the Book of Genesis.

When did God give the revelation of the creation to Moses ?
Ans. During those 40 days when Moses was with the Lord in Mt. Sinai.
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5/28/2010 2:26:26 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/27/2010 8:08:48 PM, lastrequest691 wrote:
Moses wrote the Book of Genesis.

When did God give the revelation of the creation to Moses ?
Ans. During those 40 days when Moses was with the Lord in Mt. Sinai.

And at no point Moses took it upon himself to write down - "A talking snake!....Haven't seen, nor heard for that fact, one of them before....And why punish it by making it do what it has always done, slithering isn't exactly a tough crime for a serpent."

And what did Moses do with his book of Genesis? Also, I don't recall Moses ever using the word 'I' whilst writing, if he did write it.
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5/28/2010 11:12:38 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
Moses was not old enough to write Genesis, it is taken, at least in part from the Babylonian pagan myths.
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6/2/2010 3:49:19 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 5/27/2010 8:20:48 AM, Cogito-ergo-sum wrote:
Who are/is the author(s)?

I have read it is 'P' - or some other nonsensical single letter title. But who are they? Why isn't there anything else that I have read in the Bible which says "And God bequeathed to me, the knowledge of how it all began!"

I know the Dead Sea Scrolls aren't a complete body of text, so there is room for speculation depending on context, but it is still a bit tricky without certain definitive provenance to declare something as fact and that this grants...teleology, for example.

Your thoughts.

Jesus did.. through Moses mostly, but I have heard that Adam and Abraham may have written sections..
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6/3/2010 6:16:52 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/2/2010 3:49:19 AM, DATCMOTO wrote:

Jesus did.. through Moses mostly, but I have heard that Adam and Abraham may have written sections..

That made me lol.
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6/4/2010 3:38:30 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/3/2010 6:16:52 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 6/2/2010 3:49:19 AM, DATCMOTO wrote:

Jesus did.. through Moses mostly, but I have heard that Adam and Abraham may have written sections..

That made me lol.

THROUGH being the operative word.
The Cross.. the Cross.
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6/4/2010 11:01:09 AM
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At 6/4/2010 3:38:30 AM, DATCMOTO wrote:
At 6/3/2010 6:16:52 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 6/2/2010 3:49:19 AM, DATCMOTO wrote:

Jesus did.. through Moses mostly, but I have heard that Adam and Abraham may have written sections..

That made me lol.

THROUGH being the operative word.

Jesus did it through a dead guy, well there's another one for his Godly-powers record.
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6/5/2010 2:54:00 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/4/2010 11:01:09 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 6/4/2010 3:38:30 AM, DATCMOTO wrote:
At 6/3/2010 6:16:52 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 6/2/2010 3:49:19 AM, DATCMOTO wrote:

Jesus did.. through Moses mostly, but I have heard that Adam and Abraham may have written sections..

That made me lol.

THROUGH being the operative word.

Jesus did it through a dead guy, well there's another one for his Godly-powers record.

No, they were all alive when they wrote Genesis. Obviously.
The Cross.. the Cross.
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6/5/2010 2:17:44 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/5/2010 2:54:00 AM, DATCMOTO wrote:
At 6/4/2010 11:01:09 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 6/4/2010 3:38:30 AM, DATCMOTO wrote:
At 6/3/2010 6:16:52 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 6/2/2010 3:49:19 AM, DATCMOTO wrote:

Jesus did.. through Moses mostly, but I have heard that Adam and Abraham may have written sections..

That made me lol.

THROUGH being the operative word.

Jesus did it through a dead guy, well there's another one for his Godly-powers record.

No, they were all alive when they wrote Genesis. Obviously.

Jesus did it through Moses, but they were both alive? Have you read the Bible, by any chance?
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6/5/2010 2:23:23 PM
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i think he simply means jesus = god

and that God wrote Genesis through Moses... so jesus did.
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6/5/2010 2:26:44 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/5/2010 2:23:23 PM, mattrodstrom wrote:
i think he simply means jesus = god

and that God wrote Genesis through Moses... so jesus did.

Then he's lazy. Why bother writing one half trough one guy, and then the rest through the other?
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6/7/2010 3:31:05 AM
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At 6/5/2010 2:17:44 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 6/5/2010 2:54:00 AM, DATCMOTO wrote:
At 6/4/2010 11:01:09 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 6/4/2010 3:38:30 AM, DATCMOTO wrote:
At 6/3/2010 6:16:52 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 6/2/2010 3:49:19 AM, DATCMOTO wrote:

Jesus did.. through Moses mostly, but I have heard that Adam and Abraham may have written sections..

That made me lol.

THROUGH being the operative word.

Jesus did it through a dead guy, well there's another one for his Godly-powers record.

No, they were all alive when they wrote Genesis. Obviously.

Jesus did it through Moses, but they were both alive? Have you read the Bible, by any chance?

Yes, now you read some:

In the beginning was the Word* and the Word was with God and the Word was God.
He was with God in the Beginning.
Through Him ALL things were made without Him NOTHING that has been made was made.

*Jesus Christ.
The Cross.. the Cross.
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6/7/2010 4:09:04 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/7/2010 3:31:05 AM, DATCMOTO wrote:
At 6/5/2010 2:17:44 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 6/5/2010 2:54:00 AM, DATCMOTO wrote:
At 6/4/2010 11:01:09 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 6/4/2010 3:38:30 AM, DATCMOTO wrote:
At 6/3/2010 6:16:52 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 6/2/2010 3:49:19 AM, DATCMOTO wrote:

Jesus did.. through Moses mostly, but I have heard that Adam and Abraham may have written sections..

That made me lol.

THROUGH being the operative word.

Jesus did it through a dead guy, well there's another one for his Godly-powers record.

No, they were all alive when they wrote Genesis. Obviously.

Jesus did it through Moses, but they were both alive? Have you read the Bible, by any chance?

Yes, now you read some:

In the beginning was the Word* and the Word was with God and the Word was God.
He was with God in the Beginning.
Through Him ALL things were made without Him NOTHING that has been made was made.

*Jesus Christ.

The Word being a metaphor for Jesus? The Bible, at least the versions I've read, don' say that and furthermore, while the Old Testament clearly mentions a messiah, it does not mention the Trinity at all. To claim that it was always God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit means that God suddenly became Schizophrenic, or that Christians simply made it up.
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6/7/2010 5:45:24 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/7/2010 4:09:04 AM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
The Word being a metaphor for Jesus? The Bible, at least the versions I've read, don' say that and furthermore, while the Old Testament clearly mentions a messiah, it does not mention the Trinity at all. To claim that it was always God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit means that God suddenly became Schizophrenic, or that Christians simply made it up.

Not a metaphor, no. John is fairly explicit that in his theology Jesus *is* the word of God made flesh (reference to Genesis most likely - you have to remember that John wrote much later than the other gospel writers and the theology in those events are expections set to occur during their life. John consequently has to write a theology which is different, hence no virgin birth story etc.).
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6/7/2010 5:49:49 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/7/2010 5:45:24 AM, Puck wrote:
Not a metaphor, no. John is fairly explicit that in his theology Jesus *is* the word of God made flesh (reference to Genesis most likely - you have to remember that John wrote much later than the other gospel writers and the theology in those events are expections set to occur during their life. John consequently has to write a theology which is different, hence no virgin birth story etc.).
And do you know which word is used in Greek for "the Word?"
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6/7/2010 5:56:18 AM
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At 6/7/2010 5:51:49 AM, Puck wrote:
logos as far as I know.
In the beginning the Word existed. The Word was with God, and the Word was divine.

This is the real meaning. The last word is not "God." It is divine. If Christians claim that this word represents only God, hence Jesus being made of the Word, then what is the answer to 2 Corinthians 4:4?

"The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers"

Same word used for Satan/the devil. The word is "ho theos."
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6/7/2010 6:05:53 AM
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You assume the writers wrote with the intent on being collated and compared with each other. Not the case. John's theology is different from Paul, from Mark etc. Mark's theology is different to Luke and so on.
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6/7/2010 6:09:26 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/7/2010 6:05:53 AM, Puck wrote:
You assume the writers wrote with the intent on being collated and compared with each other. Not the case. John's theology is different from Paul, from Mark etc. Mark's theology is different to Luke and so on.
Yes, to a certain extent. But John 1:1 is not evidence for Jesus being divine.

It is easily noticed how Jesus kind of rises in rank as you start reading the first gospel, and move to the last.
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6/7/2010 6:11:43 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/7/2010 6:09:26 AM, Mirza wrote:
At 6/7/2010 6:05:53 AM, Puck wrote:
You assume the writers wrote with the intent on being collated and compared with each other. Not the case. John's theology is different from Paul, from Mark etc. Mark's theology is different to Luke and so on.
Yes, to a certain extent. But John 1:1 is not evidence for Jesus being divine.

Evidence? I think I know what you are getting at

... and God was the word

kai theos en ho logos
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6/7/2010 6:14:16 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/7/2010 6:11:43 AM, Puck wrote:
Evidence? I think I know what you are getting at

... and God was the word

kai theos en ho logos
"The Word was with God, and the Word was divine."

The same words are used for the devil, as I said earlier. Furthermore, Jesus was not made into flesh of God, but Word. As can be seen, two different words are used.
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6/7/2010 6:16:02 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/7/2010 6:14:16 AM, Mirza wrote:
At 6/7/2010 6:11:43 AM, Puck wrote:
Evidence? I think I know what you are getting at

... and God was the word

kai theos en ho logos
"The Word was with God, and the Word was divine."

The same words are used for the devil, as I said earlier. Furthermore, Jesus was not made into flesh of God, but Word. As can be seen, two different words are used.

Never said John was trying to make Jesus the flesh of God. Jesus is the physical form of the word.
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6/7/2010 6:16:34 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/7/2010 6:14:43 AM, Puck wrote:
... and the word flesh became

kai ho logos sarx egento
Yes, Jesus was made of the Word of God. That is what the text says.
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6/7/2010 6:17:10 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/7/2010 6:16:02 AM, Puck wrote:
Never said John was trying to make Jesus the flesh of God. Jesus is the physical form of the word.
And the "Word" is not God, otherwise the devil would be God, but is not.
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6/7/2010 6:24:58 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/7/2010 6:17:10 AM, Mirza wrote:
At 6/7/2010 6:16:02 AM, Puck wrote:
Never said John was trying to make Jesus the flesh of God. Jesus is the physical form of the word.
And the "Word" is not God, otherwise the devil would be God, but is not.

The verse in context is Satan described as the god of the world. It's a theological point.