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12/20/2014 5:43:38 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
just coming from the furom "Which Religion is Right?" and if we assume there is a true religion that is Islam for me... so i want to challenge other faiths which is likely to be the true religion... so what proofs Islam has to offer?

1 first u check if its scriptures are intact as the originals.. if not out the way dont waste anybody's time... which the Quran (othmanic) passes that.

2 the Quran says in 2:23-4
And if you are in doubt about what We have sent down upon Our Servant [Muhammad], then produce a surah the like thereof and call upon your witnesses other than Allah , if you should be truthful.
But if you do not - and you will never be able to - then fear the Fire, whose fuel is men and stones, prepared for the disbelievers.

17:88
Say: "If the mankind and the jinns were together to produce the like of this Qur'an, they could not produce the like thereof, even if they helped one another."

10:37-38
Or do they say: "He (Muhammad(P)) has forged it?" Say: "Bring then a surah (chapter) like unto it, and call upon whomsoever you can, besides Allah, if you are truthful!"

so the author is so sure to challenge whole of mankind at any time to produce something like the Quran and so sure to say you cant do it, now its a big challenge to step in. in other places it criticises everybody up whether it be judiasm christainity pagans athiests... so its sure to criticises anyone to be so firm. anyway one way to explore is through math...

now the Quran was a direct speech, what is amazing is it has complex mathematical structure that through speech you cant do it. one type to approach is through Binary Symmetric... http://www.answeringislamicskeptics.com...

proofs of Islam is coming from the Quran... so it has many stuff to offer like math,scientific,history or logic... for examples

1 - the Quran claims that God send a prophet to every nation, there is no group of people left behind reaching the message, and if there people who never heard it, they will be tested in day of judgement... unlike judaism to specific nation, or christianity there is no direct answer what would happen to people who never heard Jesus pbuh.

2 - scientific - function of the brain...
https://www.youtube.com...

3- Problem of evil http://www.debate.org... - opened furom about this...

4 - its concept of God... what is God? timeless,spaceless,immaterial,all knowing all powerful etc... he is not man monkey snake or something from this world, if he is, hes part of the material things. so now u can throw away plenty religions out of the way.

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Say, "He is Allah , [who is] One,Allah , the Eternal Refuge.He neither begets nor is born,Nor is there to Him any equivalent."

so what you think or imagine is not him. i know the bible fails automatically here or anyway who claims things like God came to earth or kind of that nature...

5 - from history... http://www.islamic-awareness.org...

in brief:

According to modern linguist research the word "Pharaoh" comes from the Egyptian per-aa, meaning the "Great House" and originally referred to the palace rather than the king himself. The word was used by the writers of the Old Testament and has since become a widely adopted title for all the kings of Egypt. However, the Egyptians did not call their ruler "Pharaoh" until the 18th Dynasty (c. 1552 - 1295 BC) in the New Kingdom Period. In the language of the hieroglyphs, "Pharaoh" was first used to refer to the king during the reign of Amenhophis IV (c. 1352 - 1338 BC). We know that such a designation was correct in the time of Moses but the use of the word Pharaoh in the story of Joseph is an anachronism, as under the rule of the Hyksos there was no "Pharaoh." Similarly, the events related in Genesis 12 concerning Abraham (c. 2000-1700 BCE) could not have occurred in a time when the sovereign of Egypt was called Pharaoh, and this exposes yet another anachronism. In several chapters of Genesis we find the same error frequently recurring " some ninety-six times in total. What is clear is that the biblical writers composed their texts under the influences of the knowledge of their time, when the king of Egypt was usually designated as "Pharaoh". The Interpreter's Dictionary Of The Bible explains the reasons of such discrepancies with modern knowledge:

The frank attitude toward the stories about Egypt in Genesis and Exodus is that folk memory had retained the essentials of great Hebrew experience but had later clothed that memory with some details imperfectly recollected and some circumstantial details borrowed from later times and conditions.[66]

The situation is entirely different in the Qur'an. As is the case with the Bible, reference to the sovereign of ancient Egypt is found throughout various chapters of the Qur'an. A careful study of the minutiae of each narrative reveals some compelling differences. With regard to the Egyptian king who was a contemporary of Joseph, the Qur'an uses the title "King" (Arabic, Malik); he is never once addressed as Pharaoh. As for the king who ruled during the time of Moses, the Qur'an repeatedly calls him Pharaoh (Arabic, Fir'awn).

These facts that we have mentioned were unknown at the time of the Qur'anic Revelation. The only source of knowledge of the religious past were the Bible-based stories in circulation. From the time of the Old Testament to the Qur'an, the only document mankind possessed on these ancient stories was the Bible itself. Furthermore, the knowledge of the old Egyptian hieroglyphs had been totally forgotten until they were finally deciphered in the 19th century CE.

6 - analogies.. there are many stuff like that but here some...

center of the earth https://www.youtube.com...

Golden ratio in the Quran... https://www.youtube.com...

anyway my goal is not to fill it with stuff but what you say please criticise or compliment
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DanneJeRusse
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12/20/2014 6:05:20 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/20/2014 5:43:38 PM, POPOO5560 wrote:
just coming from the furom "Which Religion is Right?" and if we assume there is a true religion that is Islam for me... so i want to challenge other faiths which is likely to be the true religion... so what proofs Islam has to offer?

1 first u check if its scriptures are intact as the originals.. if not out the way dont waste anybody's time... which the Quran (othmanic) passes that.

So what? Just because a book of myths and superstitions remains intact over the years doesn't mean any of it is true. Grimms Fairy Tales and Aesop's Fables are also intact.

Next.

2 the Quran says in 2:23-4
And if you are in doubt about what We have sent down upon Our Servant [Muhammad], then produce a surah the like thereof and call upon your witnesses other than Allah , if you should be truthful.
But if you do not - and you will never be able to - then fear the Fire, whose fuel is men and stones, prepared for the disbelievers.

17:88
Say: "If the mankind and the jinns were together to produce the like of this Qur'an, they could not produce the like thereof, even if they helped one another."

10:37-38
Or do they say: "He (Muhammad(P)) has forged it?" Say: "Bring then a surah (chapter) like unto it, and call upon whomsoever you can, besides Allah, if you are truthful!"

so the author is so sure to challenge whole of mankind at any time to produce something like the Quran and so sure to say you cant do it, now its a big challenge to step in. in other places it criticises everybody up whether it be judiasm christainity pagans athiests... so its sure to criticises anyone to be so firm. anyway one way to explore is through math...

So what? There are far greater works of literature than the Quran and only serves to demonstrate the illiteracy of those who believe the Quran could be challenged.

now the Quran was a direct speech, what is amazing is it has complex mathematical structure that through speech you cant do it. one type to approach is through Binary Symmetric... http://www.answeringislamicskeptics.com...

That is pure bs. There is nothing complex or mathematically about the Quran. Nonsense.

proofs of Islam is coming from the Quran... so it has many stuff to offer like math,scientific,history or logic... for examples

That is a lie.

1 - the Quran claims that God send a prophet to every nation, there is no group of people left behind reaching the message, and if there people who never heard it, they will be tested in day of judgement... unlike judaism to specific nation, or christianity there is no direct answer what would happen to people who never heard Jesus pbuh.

Gibberish.

2 - scientific - function of the brain...
https://www.youtube.com...

LOL. Is that supposed to be a joke?

3- Problem of evil http://www.debate.org... - opened furom about this...

4 - its concept of God... what is God? timeless,spaceless,immaterial,all knowing all powerful etc... he is not man monkey snake or something from this world, if he is, hes part of the material things. so now u can throw away plenty religions out of the way.

LOL. We're adults here, not small children that can so easily be duped with one dimensional thinking.

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Say, "He is Allah , [who is] One,Allah , the Eternal Refuge.He neither begets nor is born,Nor is there to Him any equivalent."

so what you think or imagine is not him. i know the bible fails automatically here or anyway who claims things like God came to earth or kind of that nature...

You are failing miserably with this thread.

5 - from history... http://www.islamic-awareness.org...

in brief:

According to modern linguist research the word "Pharaoh" comes from the Egyptian per-aa, meaning the "Great House" and originally referred to the palace rather than the king himself. The word was used by the writers of the Old Testament and has since become a widely adopted title for all the kings of Egypt. However, the Egyptians did not call their ruler "Pharaoh" until the 18th Dynasty (c. 1552 - 1295 BC) in the New Kingdom Period. In the language of the hieroglyphs, "Pharaoh" was first used to refer to the king during the reign of Amenhophis IV (c. 1352 - 1338 BC). We know that such a designation was correct in the time of Moses but the use of the word Pharaoh in the story of Joseph is an anachronism, as under the rule of the Hyksos there was no "Pharaoh." Similarly, the events related in Genesis 12 concerning Abraham (c. 2000-1700 BCE) could not have occurred in a time when the sovereign of Egypt was called Pharaoh, and this exposes yet another anachronism. In several chapters of Genesis we find the same error frequently recurring " some ninety-six times in total. What is clear is that the biblical writers composed their texts under the influences of the knowledge of their time, when the king of Egypt was usually designated as "Pharaoh". The Interpreter's Dictionary Of The Bible explains the reasons of such discrepancies with modern knowledge:

The frank attitude toward the stories about Egypt in Genesis and Exodus is that folk memory had retained the essentials of great Hebrew experience but had later clothed that memory with some details imperfectly recollected and some circumstantial details borrowed from later times and conditions.[66]

The situation is entirely different in the Qur'an. As is the case with the Bible, reference to the sovereign of ancient Egypt is found throughout various chapters of the Qur'an. A careful study of the minutiae of each narrative reveals some compelling differences. With regard to the Egyptian king who was a contemporary of Joseph, the Qur'an uses the title "King" (Arabic, Malik); he is never once addressed as Pharaoh. As for the king who ruled during the time of Moses, the Qur'an repeatedly calls him Pharaoh (Arabic, Fir'awn).

These facts that we have mentioned were unknown at the time of the Qur'anic Revelation. The only source of knowledge of the religious past were the Bible-based stories in circulation. From the time of the Old Testament to the Qur'an, the only document mankind possessed on these ancient stories was the Bible itself. Furthermore, the knowledge of the old Egyptian hieroglyphs had been totally forgotten until they were finally deciphered in the 19th century CE.

6 - analogies.. there are many stuff like that but here some...

center of the earth https://www.youtube.com...

Golden ratio in the Quran... https://www.youtube.com...

anyway my goal is not to fill it with stuff but what you say please criticise or compliment

Very badly presented argument, no thought process whatsoever, pure religious dogma and propaganda.
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
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12/20/2014 6:17:08 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/20/2014 6:05:20 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
So your responses are LOL BS RABBISH PROPAGANDA AND SO WHAT... just read this one its enough...
http://www.answeringislamicskeptics.com...

before criticising it just read few pages whats wrong with you man
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