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12/21/2014 8:27:51 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
God"s Punitive Judgment on Wayward Nations after Many Warnings

An atheist scientist accuses God with a flood of adversarial adjectives. In his book, he wrote -

"The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully." (God Delusion. Chapter 2 p.31)

Breaking down the paragraph, here is the list of the freak accusations against the Creator by the freakiest of freaks, Richard Dawkins:

1. Unforgiving control-freak

2. Vindictive

3. Bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser

4. Misogynistic

5. Homophobic

6. Racist

7. Infanticidal

8. Genocidal

9. Filicidal

10. Pestilential

11. Megalomaniacal

12. Sadomasochistic

13. Capriciously malevolent bully

Unforgiving Control-Freak?

Unfortunately, for this scientist, his understanding about a creator in charge is nil. Anyone accusingsomebodyto be an "unforgiving control-freak" without basis isa freakhimself like Dawkins! The less-than-zero god of Dawkins is all of these, yet he is petty?

As recorded in the history of God"s nation, becauseof human greed and caprices,the Israelites suffered with rigor in the hands of the cruel Egyptians for four hundred years.

GENESIS 15:13-16

13 And he said unto Abram, Know of a surety that thy seed shall be a stranger in a land that is not theirs, and shall serve them; and they shall afflict them four hundred years;

14 And also that nation, whom they shall serve, will I judge: and afterward shall they come out with great substance.

15 And thou shalt go to thy fathers in peace; thou shalt be buried in a good old age.

16 But in the fourth generation they shall come hither again: for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet full.

Why did it take that long? God is a forgiving God, waiting patiently for people to repent and realize theconsequences of their iniquities. The timing was not only for the Israelites, but also for their enemies.

His being a forgiving God spells His long-suffering for the Amorites.Who are these Amorites?

The Amorites were an ancient nation mentioned frequently in the Old Testament. They were descended from one of the sons of Canaan (Genesis 14:7). In early inscriptions, the Amorites were also known as Amurra or Amurri. The "land of the Amorites" included Syria and Palestine. Some of the southern mountains of Judea were also called the hill country of the Amorites (Deuteronomy 1:7,19-20).Despite their strong numbers and military might, the Amorites were destroyed due to their worship of false gods. Israel"s conquest of their land was part of God"s judgment on the pagan Amorite culture.The Amorite nation had plenty of time to turn from their idolatry, but they despised God's goodness and longsuffering and refused to repent (Romans 2:4). The Lord"s judgment upon them was severe, and anyone who imitates their rebellion will eternally regret it (Romans 2:5; Matthew 10:28; Revelation 2:22-23).(Ref: Norman Geisler and Joseph M. Holden, The Popular Handbook of Archaeology and the Bible, Harvest House Publishers, 2012).

II PETER 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
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12/21/2014 8:38:02 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/21/2014 8:27:51 PM, Bendido wrote:
God"s Punitive Judgment on Wayward Nations after Many Warnings

An atheist scientist accuses God with a flood of adversarial adjectives. In his book, he wrote -

"The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully." (God Delusion. Chapter 2 p.31)

Breaking down the paragraph, here is the list of the freak accusations against the Creator by the freakiest of freaks, Richard Dawkins:

1. Unforgiving control-freak

2. Vindictive

3. Bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser

4. Misogynistic

5. Homophobic

6. Racist

7. Infanticidal

8. Genocidal

9. Filicidal

10. Pestilential

11. Megalomaniacal

12. Sadomasochistic

13. Capriciously malevolent bully

Unforgiving Control-Freak?

Unfortunately, for this scientist, his understanding about a creator in charge is nil. Anyone accusingsomebodyto be an "unforgiving control-freak" without basis isa freakhimself like Dawkins! The less-than-zero god of Dawkins is all of these, yet he is petty?

As recorded in the history of God"s nation, becauseof human greed and caprices,the Israelites suffered with rigor in the hands of the cruel Egyptians for four hundred years.

GENESIS 15:13-16

13 And he said unto Abram, Know of a surety that thy seed shall be a stranger in a land that is not theirs, and shall serve them; and they shall afflict them four hundred years;

14 And also that nation, whom they shall serve, will I judge: and afterward shall they come out with great substance.

15 And thou shalt go to thy fathers in peace; thou shalt be buried in a good old age.

16 But in the fourth generation they shall come hither again: for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet full.

Why did it take that long? God is a forgiving God, waiting patiently for people to repent and realize theconsequences of their iniquities. The timing was not only for the Israelites, but also for their enemies.

His being a forgiving God spells His long-suffering for the Amorites.Who are these Amorites?

The Amorites were an ancient nation mentioned frequently in the Old Testament. They were descended from one of the sons of Canaan (Genesis 14:7). In early inscriptions, the Amorites were also known as Amurra or Amurri. The "land of the Amorites" included Syria and Palestine. Some of the southern mountains of Judea were also called the hill country of the Amorites (Deuteronomy 1:7,19-20).Despite their strong numbers and military might, the Amorites were destroyed due to their worship of false gods. Israel"s conquest of their land was part of God"s judgment on the pagan Amorite culture.The Amorite nation had plenty of time to turn from their idolatry, but they despised God's goodness and longsuffering and refused to repent (Romans 2:4). The Lord"s judgment upon them was severe, and anyone who imitates their rebellion will eternally regret it (Romans 2:5; Matthew 10:28; Revelation 2:22-23).(Ref: Norman Geisler and Joseph M. Holden, The Popular Handbook of Archaeology and the Bible, Harvest House Publishers, 2012).

II PETER 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

This is because His desire is for all men to be saved.

I TIMOTHY 2:4
Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

Thislongspan of years - four hundred - provesGod's patience and forgiveness for the abuses of the Egyptians against the Israelites and the grace of His forgiveness and patience towards the Amorites (used interchangeably with Canaanites). But seeing thatthe hardness of their hearts and the degree of corruption the Amorites have accumulated in their ungodly way of life, God ordered the Israelitesto get rid ofthese people. This was after God liberated the Israelites fromEgypt.For this, isn"t Dawkins accusing God for being "bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser?"

For us to understand the order of God, let us look into paradigm cases in the Bible. In various verses, one can read: "wipe them out," "throw them into confusion," "make them turn their backs and run," "drive them out of your way,""strike them down" "dispossess," "drive out," "thrust out," "destroy them," "subdue them before you," "annihilate," "deliver them over to you," "defeat them," "give kings into your hands," and "wipe out their names from under heaven." But according to Analyst Glenn Miller (2000), when these aregrouped into two categories- dispossession versus destruction - the first comes out with 33 occurrences, and destruction only11 occurrences, with a ratio of 3:1.
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12/22/2014 1:40:20 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/21/2014 8:27:51 PM, Bendido wrote:
God"s Punitive Judgment on Wayward Nations after Many Warnings

An atheist scientist accuses God with a flood of adversarial adjectives. In his book, he wrote -

"The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully." (God Delusion. Chapter 2 p.31)

Breaking down the paragraph, here is the list of the freak accusations against the Creator by the freakiest of freaks, Richard Dawkins:

1. Unforgiving control-freak

2. Vindictive

3. Bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser

4. Misogynistic

5. Homophobic

6. Racist

7. Infanticidal

8. Genocidal

9. Filicidal

10. Pestilential

11. Megalomaniacal

12. Sadomasochistic

13. Capriciously malevolent bully

Unforgiving Control-Freak?

Unfortunately, for this scientist, his understanding about a creator in charge is nil. Anyone accusingsomebodyto be an "unforgiving control-freak" without basis isa freakhimself like Dawkins! The less-than-zero god of Dawkins is all of these, yet he is petty?

As recorded in the history of God"s nation, becauseof human greed and caprices,the Israelites suffered with rigor in the hands of the cruel Egyptians for four hundred years.
Never happened as is proved by history and archeology.
GENESIS 15:13-16

13 And he said unto Abram, Know of a surety that thy seed shall be a stranger in a land that is not theirs, and shall serve them; and they shall afflict them four hundred years;

14 And also that nation, whom they shall serve, will I judge: and afterward shall they come out with great substance.

15 And thou shalt go to thy fathers in peace; thou shalt be buried in a good old age.

16 But in the fourth generation they shall come hither again: for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet full.

Why did it take that long? God is a forgiving God, waiting patiently for people to repent and realize theconsequences of their iniquities. The timing was not only for the Israelites, but also for their enemies.

His being a forgiving God spells His long-suffering for the Amorites.Who are these Amorites?

The Amorites were an ancient nation mentioned frequently in the Old Testament. They were descended from one of the sons of Canaan (Genesis 14:7). In early inscriptions, the Amorites were also known as Amurra or Amurri. The "land of the Amorites" included Syria and Palestine. Some of the southern mountains of Judea were also called the hill country of the Amorites (Deuteronomy 1:7,19-20).Despite their strong numbers and military might, the Amorites were destroyed due to their worship of false gods. Israel"s conquest of their land was part of God"s judgment on the pagan Amorite culture.The Amorite nation had plenty of time to turn from their idolatry, but they despised God's goodness and longsuffering and refused to repent (Romans 2:4). The Lord"s judgment upon them was severe, and anyone who imitates their rebellion will eternally regret it (Romans 2:5; Matthew 10:28; Revelation 2:22-23).(Ref: Norman Geisler and Joseph M. Holden, The Popular Handbook of Archaeology and the Bible, Harvest House Publishers, 2012).

II PETER 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

When did this god of the hebrews perform his wonderous miracles in order that the Amorites would worship him.
Oh that's right he didn't, he was too busy befuddling the hebrews to have time for other nations hence genocide was the plan of choice, after all, he was very fond of genocide.
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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12/22/2014 4:57:38 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/21/2014 8:27:51 PM, Bendido wrote:
God"s Punitive Judgment on Wayward Nations after Many Warnings

An atheist scientist accuses God with a flood of adversarial adjectives. In his book, he wrote -
<snip>

Nice bit of plagiarism from here:

http://www.controversyextraordinary.com...

Do you have any more "arguments" from other people that you can claim as your own?
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12/22/2014 8:11:46 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/21/2014 8:27:51 PM, Bendido wrote:
God"s Punitive Judgment on Wayward Nations after Many Warnings

An atheist scientist accuses God with a flood of adversarial adjectives. In his book, he wrote -

"The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully." (God Delusion. Chapter 2 p.31)

Breaking down the paragraph, here is the list of the freak accusations against the Creator by the freakiest of freaks, Richard Dawkins:

1. Unforgiving control-freak

God has frgiven many poeple and nations many times. The Ninehvites and Gibeoniets are but two, anyone who does take this into accunt is a liar and a bigot.


2. Vindictive


If he is as forgiving as teh Bible shows him to be, hoe can he be vndictive, the two are mutually exclusive.

3. Bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser


No, but determined protector of his poeple, yes.

4. Misogynistic


Some of teh most prominent and blessed characters in scripture are female so that cannot be true either.

5. Homophobic


God does not fear homosexuality, but it is against his creative purposes and is as has been proven harmful to it's practitioners in so many ways, especially spiritually.

6. Racist


God accepted all people from all nations who wised to join his people. Two are even included in the genealogy of teh Christ, so that's wrong also.

7. Infanticidal


God onyl had infants put to teh sword who would have been left without parents and therefore would have starved to death in teh desert. Death is not an end, since he has arranged for sa resurrection of the dead, so in a very real sense he was protecting them from uneccessary suffering.

8. Genocidal


Again since he accept5ed the Gibeonites into his nation, and even performed one of his greatest ever miracles, in teh plains of Aijalon, in thei defence, I think that is self-evidetly false and the product of a sick and bigotteted mind.

9. Filicidal


That's jsut plain ridiculous.

10. Pestilential


Only to those who oppose him and his people, in thier protection.

11. Megalomaniacal


As our creator he actually has teh right to dictate terms, and since hie terms are all beneficial to us that does not constitue Megalomania.

12. Sadomasochistic


Only APosdtate teachings paint him that way with thier false teachign of a hell of torment.

13. Capriciously malevolent bully


Absolutely not malicious,nor capricious. He is working to a 7,000 year plan whihc will ebenfit all who choose to be a part of ti.

Unforgiving Control-Freak?


Unfortunately, for this scientist, his understanding about a creator in charge is nil. Anyone accusingsomebodyto be an "unforgiving control-freak" without basis isa freakhimself like Dawkins! The less-than-zero god of Dawkins is all of these, yet he is petty?

His grasp of truth is also absolutely nil. Every accusation he makes can be easily shown to be false,

As recorded in the history of God"s nation, becauseof human greed and caprices,the Israelites suffered with rigor in the hands of the cruel Egyptians for four hundred years.

GENESIS 15:13-16

13 And he said unto Abram, Know of a surety that thy seed shall be a stranger in a land that is not theirs, and shall serve them; and they shall afflict them four hundred years;

14 And also that nation, whom they shall serve, will I judge: and afterward shall they come out with great substance.

15 And thou shalt go to thy fathers in peace; thou shalt be buried in a good old age.

16 But in the fourth generation they shall come hither again: for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet full.

Why did it take that long? God is a forgiving God, waiting patiently for people to repent and realize theconsequences of their iniquities. The timing was not only for the Israelites, but also for their enemies.

His being a forgiving God spells His long-suffering for the Amorites.Who are these Amorites?

The Amorites were an ancient nation mentioned frequently in the Old Testament. They were descended from one of the sons of Canaan (Genesis 14:7). In early inscriptions, the Amorites were also known as Amurra or Amurri. The "land of the Amorites" included Syria and Palestine. Some of the southern mountains of Judea were also called the hill country of the Amorites (Deuteronomy 1:7,19-20).Despite their strong numbers and military might, the Amorites were destroyed due to their worship of false gods. Israel"s conquest of their land was part of God"s judgment on the pagan Amorite culture.The Amorite nation had plenty of time to turn from their idolatry, but they despised God's goodness and longsuffering and refused to repent (Romans 2:4). The Lord"s judgment upon them was severe, and anyone who imitates their rebellion will eternally regret it (Romans 2:5; Matthew 10:28; Revelation 2:22-23).(Ref: Norman Geisler and Joseph M. Holden, The Popular Handbook of Archaeology and the Bible, Harvest House Publishers, 2012).

II PETER 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Just as today, in the run up to Armageddon he has, thoguht his son, arranged for both an invitation andd a warning to be sounded throughout teh earth.

An invitation to be part of his world to our eternal advantage.

And a warning of what will happen if we choose not to be.

You can';t get fairer than that, and he will not, as his son said in Matthew 24:14
ASV(i) "14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in the whole world for a testimony unto all the nations; and then shall the end come." act until everyone who can be reached with the message has at least had the opportunity to listen if tehy wanted to.

Since the JWs have been performing that work for over 100 years now, how many can there be that have not had many chances to listen?

Whatever else may be said. God is given all a choice, and the right to choose. He wants no-one in his world who isn't happy to be there.
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12/22/2014 8:17:48 AM
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At 12/22/2014 8:11:46 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
God does not fear homosexuality, but it is against his creative purposes and is as has been proven harmful to it's practitioners in so many ways, especially spiritually.
Just one thing that your god didn't create and yet your god created everything. You people have an enormous capacity for believing absolutely contradictory beliefs, in order that at least one of those beliefs is believable to YOU.
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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12/22/2014 8:18:12 AM
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At 12/22/2014 4:57:38 AM, dee-em wrote:
At 12/21/2014 8:27:51 PM, Bendido wrote:
God"s Punitive Judgment on Wayward Nations after Many Warnings

An atheist scientist accuses God with a flood of adversarial adjectives. In his book, he wrote -
<snip>

Nice bit of plagiarism from here:

http://www.controversyextraordinary.com...

Do you have any more "arguments" from other people that you can claim as your own?

I didn't get the impression he was claiming them as his own.
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12/22/2014 8:58:00 AM
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At 12/22/2014 8:17:48 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 12/22/2014 8:11:46 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
God does not fear homosexuality, but it is against his creative purposes and is as has been proven harmful to it's practitioners in so many ways, especially spiritually.
Just one thing that your god didn't create and yet your god created everything. You people have an enormous capacity for believing absolutely contradictory beliefs, in order that at least one of those beliefs is believable to YOU.

You can't create homosexuality, though it is part of teh evil that was in the potential for evel that God created by giving us free will.

There is absolutely nothg contradictory in that.

Just vbecause God created the bits that homosexuals misuse doesn't mean theyw ere intended for that purpose.

So again you post comes from an obviously diseased mind. ONny a diseased mind could think as you do. In despe3ration Satan is driving you further and further inot that diseased state.

Get out before it's too late.
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12/22/2014 6:36:57 PM
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At 12/22/2014 8:18:12 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 12/22/2014 4:57:38 AM, dee-em wrote:
At 12/21/2014 8:27:51 PM, Bendido wrote:
God"s Punitive Judgment on Wayward Nations after Many Warnings

An atheist scientist accuses God with a flood of adversarial adjectives. In his book, he wrote -
<snip>

Nice bit of plagiarism from here:

http://www.controversyextraordinary.com...

Do you have any more "arguments" from other people that you can claim as your own?

I didn't get the impression he was claiming them as his own.

Did he give attribution to anybody?
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12/23/2014 1:14:30 AM
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At 12/22/2014 8:58:00 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 12/22/2014 8:17:48 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 12/22/2014 8:11:46 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
God does not fear homosexuality, but it is against his creative purposes and is as has been proven harmful to it's practitioners in so many ways, especially spiritually.
Just one thing that your god didn't create and yet your god created everything. You people have an enormous capacity for believing absolutely contradictory beliefs, in order that at least one of those beliefs is believable to YOU.

You can't create homosexuality, though it is part of teh evil that was in the potential for evel that God created by giving us free will.

There is absolutely nothg contradictory in that.

Just vbecause God created the bits that homosexuals misuse doesn't mean theyw ere intended for that purpose.

So again you post comes from an obviously diseased mind. ONny a diseased mind could think as you do. In despe3ration Satan is driving you further and further inot that diseased state.

Get out before it's too late.

Your reward is to be a robot agricultural slave, someone like you deserves just that.
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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12/23/2014 7:54:06 AM
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At 12/23/2014 1:14:30 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 12/22/2014 8:58:00 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 12/22/2014 8:17:48 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 12/22/2014 8:11:46 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
God does not fear homosexuality, but it is against his creative purposes and is as has been proven harmful to it's practitioners in so many ways, especially spiritually.
Just one thing that your god didn't create and yet your god created everything. You people have an enormous capacity for believing absolutely contradictory beliefs, in order that at least one of those beliefs is believable to YOU.

You can't create homosexuality, though it is part of teh evil that was in the potential for evel that God created by giving us free will.

There is absolutely nothg contradictory in that.

Just vbecause God created the bits that homosexuals misuse doesn't mean theyw ere intended for that purpose.

So again you post comes from an obviously diseased mind. ONny a diseased mind could think as you do. In despe3ration Satan is driving you further and further inot that diseased state.

Get out before it's too late.

Your reward is to be a robot agricultural slave, someone like you deserves just that.

No, not robots, nor slaves, unless you count us as willing slaves. Was Adam a robot? and we will all be similar to Adam, but hopefully smarter, obeying God rtather than turning on him.

Don;t forget God only gave Adam one order to obey. Even if you add the two that Christ said were the most important commandments of all,, and on their own completely fulfilled the law that won't exactly make us robots, just sensible. We will still have free will, we will just use it in ways whihc are wiser than the ones you choose to use yours in.

Agricultural, yes, and horticulatural, but ask any gardener about the satisfaction they get from their garden.

Besides which, the curse will have been lifted off teh ground by then so it will be much easier than it is now, and so there will be much more leisure time in which to enjoy the work of our hands., and of course of God's "hands" also.

You won't have to go to a zoo or a safari park to enjoy teh animals, they will come to you in peace.

Toi me, that is more "heavenly" than heaven could be. Truly, as Christ said to the wrongdoer aslongside him, Paradise.

Hey, if you don't want it, fine. Leave it to those of us who do, it will be much more pleasant without such as you disturbing our peace.

Or of course you can always change your mind and enjoy it with us. There is still tiem.
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12/23/2014 7:57:16 AM
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At 12/22/2014 6:36:57 PM, dee-em wrote:
At 12/22/2014 8:18:12 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 12/22/2014 4:57:38 AM, dee-em wrote:
At 12/21/2014 8:27:51 PM, Bendido wrote:
God"s Punitive Judgment on Wayward Nations after Many Warnings

An atheist scientist accuses God with a flood of adversarial adjectives. In his book, he wrote -
<snip>

Nice bit of plagiarism from here:

http://www.controversyextraordinary.com...

Do you have any more "arguments" from other people that you can claim as your own?

I didn't get the impression he was claiming them as his own.

Did he give attribution to anybody?

Not by name, he was simply leaving it unattributed, except to an unnamed "Atheist scientist".

He is not claiming it for himself.
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12/23/2014 8:05:38 AM
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At 12/23/2014 7:54:06 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 12/23/2014 1:14:30 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 12/22/2014 8:58:00 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 12/22/2014 8:17:48 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 12/22/2014 8:11:46 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
God does not fear homosexuality, but it is against his creative purposes and is as has been proven harmful to it's practitioners in so many ways, especially spiritually.
Just one thing that your god didn't create and yet your god created everything. You people have an enormous capacity for believing absolutely contradictory beliefs, in order that at least one of those beliefs is believable to YOU.

You can't create homosexuality, though it is part of teh evil that was in the potential for evel that God created by giving us free will.

There is absolutely nothg contradictory in that.

Just vbecause God created the bits that homosexuals misuse doesn't mean theyw ere intended for that purpose.

So again you post comes from an obviously diseased mind. ONny a diseased mind could think as you do. In despe3ration Satan is driving you further and further inot that diseased state.

Get out before it's too late.

Your reward is to be a robot agricultural slave, someone like you deserves just that.

No, not robots, nor slaves, unless you count us as willing slaves. Was Adam a robot? and we will all be similar to Adam, but hopefully smarter, obeying God rtather than turning on him.
The reason that adam wasn't a robot is the reason your god banished him and sentenced all of his "progeny" to death.
Don;t forget God only gave Adam one order to obey. Even if you add the two that Christ said were the most important commandments of all,, and on their own completely fulfilled the law that won't exactly make us robots, just sensible. We will still have free will, we will just use it in ways whihc are wiser than the ones you choose to use yours in.
Your stupid god gave one order to someone that he had not ever taught about obedience and then punished every human being for god's mistake.
Agricultural, yes, and horticulatural, but ask any gardener about the satisfaction they get from their garden.
Hah, you have no choice. You are commanded and have no free will to either accept or refuse. Yes you are a slave.
Besides which, the curse will have been lifted off teh ground by then so it will be much easier than it is now, and so there will be much more leisure time in which to enjoy the work of our hands., and of course of God's "hands" also.
Where is this drivel written in your holy book of great spells?
You won't have to go to a zoo or a safari park to enjoy teh animals, they will come to you in peace.
Yes you will be so busy planting olive trees and grape vines and ripping out grape vines and olive trees that you won't have any time at all.
Toi me, that is more "heavenly" than heaven could be. Truly, as Christ said to the wrongdoer aslongside him, Paradise.
Which is what I said. For a simpleton like you an eternity of planting and ripping up plants would be paradise. DUMMY.
Hey, if you don't want it, fine. Leave it to those of us who do, it will be much more pleasant without such as you disturbing our peace.
You can have it you idiot.
Or of course you can always change your mind and enjoy it with us. There is still tiem.
As if!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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12/23/2014 8:12:42 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/23/2014 7:57:16 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 12/22/2014 6:36:57 PM, dee-em wrote:
At 12/22/2014 8:18:12 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 12/22/2014 4:57:38 AM, dee-em wrote:
At 12/21/2014 8:27:51 PM, Bendido wrote:
God"s Punitive Judgment on Wayward Nations after Many Warnings

An atheist scientist accuses God with a flood of adversarial adjectives. In his book, he wrote -
<snip>

Nice bit of plagiarism from here:

http://www.controversyextraordinary.com...

Do you have any more "arguments" from other people that you can claim as your own?

I didn't get the impression he was claiming them as his own.

Did he give attribution to anybody?

Not by name, he was simply leaving it unattributed, except to an unnamed "Atheist scientist".

He is not claiming it for himself.

Get with it. I'm not talking about the Richard Dawkins quote. I'm talking about his entire post, every word. Did you even check the link I provided?
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12/23/2014 10:46:36 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/23/2014 8:12:42 AM, dee-em wrote:
At 12/23/2014 7:57:16 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 12/22/2014 6:36:57 PM, dee-em wrote:
At 12/22/2014 8:18:12 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 12/22/2014 4:57:38 AM, dee-em wrote:
At 12/21/2014 8:27:51 PM, Bendido wrote:
God"s Punitive Judgment on Wayward Nations after Many Warnings

An atheist scientist accuses God with a flood of adversarial adjectives. In his book, he wrote -
<snip>

Nice bit of plagiarism from here:

http://www.controversyextraordinary.com...

Do you have any more "arguments" from other people that you can claim as your own?

I didn't get the impression he was claiming them as his own.

Did he give attribution to anybody?

Not by name, he was simply leaving it unattributed, except to an unnamed "Atheist scientist".

He is not claiming it for himself.

Get with it. I'm not talking about the Richard Dawkins quote. I'm talking about his entire post, every word. Did you even check the link I provided?

OK, no I didn't why would I? it doesn't matter who said it anyway, it is what is sadid that matters.

Nothing I say is original, it all comes from scripture, even just the ideas , and peop0le are still arguing over who wrote what. and frankly, who cares, what they wrote is true and that is al that matters in the end.
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12/23/2014 10:48:23 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/23/2014 8:05:38 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 12/23/2014 7:54:06 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 12/23/2014 1:14:30 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 12/22/2014 8:58:00 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 12/22/2014 8:17:48 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 12/22/2014 8:11:46 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
God does not fear homosexuality, but it is against his creative purposes and is as has been proven harmful to it's practitioners in so many ways, especially spiritually.
Just one thing that your god didn't create and yet your god created everything. You people have an enormous capacity for believing absolutely contradictory beliefs, in order that at least one of those beliefs is believable to YOU.

You can't create homosexuality, though it is part of teh evil that was in the potential for evel that God created by giving us free will.

There is absolutely nothg contradictory in that.

Just vbecause God created the bits that homosexuals misuse doesn't mean theyw ere intended for that purpose.

So again you post comes from an obviously diseased mind. ONny a diseased mind could think as you do. In despe3ration Satan is driving you further and further inot that diseased state.

Get out before it's too late.

Your reward is to be a robot agricultural slave, someone like you deserves just that.

No, not robots, nor slaves, unless you count us as willing slaves. Was Adam a robot? and we will all be similar to Adam, but hopefully smarter, obeying God rtather than turning on him.
The reason that adam wasn't a robot is the reason your god banished him and sentenced all of his "progeny" to death.
Don;t forget God only gave Adam one order to obey. Even if you add the two that Christ said were the most important commandments of all,, and on their own completely fulfilled the law that won't exactly make us robots, just sensible. We will still have free will, we will just use it in ways whihc are wiser than the ones you choose to use yours in.
Your stupid god gave one order to someone that he had not ever taught about obedience and then punished every human being for god's mistake.
Agricultural, yes, and horticulatural, but ask any gardener about the satisfaction they get from their garden.
Hah, you have no choice. You are commanded and have no free will to either accept or refuse. Yes you are a slave.
Besides which, the curse will have been lifted off teh ground by then so it will be much easier than it is now, and so there will be much more leisure time in which to enjoy the work of our hands., and of course of God's "hands" also.
Where is this drivel written in your holy book of great spells?
You won't have to go to a zoo or a safari park to enjoy teh animals, they will come to you in peace.
Yes you will be so busy planting olive trees and grape vines and ripping out grape vines and olive trees that you won't have any time at all.
Toi me, that is more "heavenly" than heaven could be. Truly, as Christ said to the wrongdoer aslongside him, Paradise.
Which is what I said. For a simpleton like you an eternity of planting and ripping up plants would be paradise. DUMMY.
Hey, if you don't want it, fine. Leave it to those of us who do, it will be much more pleasant without such as you disturbing our peace.
You can have it you idiot.
Or of course you can always change your mind and enjoy it with us. There is still tiem.
As if!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yeah, that's what I thought. Never mind, as I say, just enjoy what little bit of life you have left. You might as well. Unlike such as me it is all you will get.
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12/23/2014 8:33:49 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/23/2014 10:46:36 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 12/23/2014 8:12:42 AM, dee-em wrote:
At 12/23/2014 7:57:16 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 12/22/2014 6:36:57 PM, dee-em wrote:
At 12/22/2014 8:18:12 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 12/22/2014 4:57:38 AM, dee-em wrote:
At 12/21/2014 8:27:51 PM, Bendido wrote:
God"s Punitive Judgment on Wayward Nations after Many Warnings

An atheist scientist accuses God with a flood of adversarial adjectives. In his book, he wrote -
<snip>

Nice bit of plagiarism from here:

http://www.controversyextraordinary.com...

Do you have any more "arguments" from other people that you can claim as your own?

I didn't get the impression he was claiming them as his own.

Did he give attribution to anybody?

Not by name, he was simply leaving it unattributed, except to an unnamed "Atheist scientist".

He is not claiming it for himself.

Get with it. I'm not talking about the Richard Dawkins quote. I'm talking about his entire post, every word. Did you even check the link I provided?

OK, no I didn't why would I?

Oh, no reason. I would have thought that before putting in your 2c worth, you might actually check what I was saying. Silly me to expect that from a Christian.

it doesn't matter who said it anyway, it is what is sadid that matters.

So plagiarism is fine by you? Thank you for another demonstration of unethical views by a Christian.

Nothing I say is original, it all comes from scripture, even just the ideas , and peop0le are still arguing over who wrote what. and frankly, who cares, what they wrote is true and that is al that matters in the end.

Even you cites book and verse when quoting scripture. I'll leave "what they wrote is true" to marinate for a while. Lol.
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12/23/2014 8:38:05 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/21/2014 8:27:51 PM, Bendido wrote:
God"s Punitive Judgment on Wayward Nations after Many Warnings

An atheist scientist accuses God with a flood of adversarial adjectives. In his book, he wrote -

"The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully." (God Delusion. Chapter 2 p.31)

Breaking down the paragraph, here is the list of the freak accusations against the Creator by the freakiest of freaks, Richard Dawkins:

1. Unforgiving control-freak

2. Vindictive

3. Bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser

4. Misogynistic

5. Homophobic

6. Racist

7. Infanticidal

8. Genocidal

9. Filicidal

10. Pestilential

11. Megalomaniacal

12. Sadomasochistic

13. Capriciously malevolent bully

Unforgiving Control-Freak?

Unfortunately, for this scientist, his understanding about a creator in charge is nil. Anyone accusingsomebodyto be an "unforgiving control-freak" without basis isa freakhimself like Dawkins! The less-than-zero god of Dawkins is all of these, yet he is petty?

As recorded in the history of God"s nation, becauseof human greed and caprices,the Israelites suffered with rigor in the hands of the cruel Egyptians for four hundred years.

GENESIS 15:13-16

13 And he said unto Abram, Know of a surety that thy seed shall be a stranger in a land that is not theirs, and shall serve them; and they shall afflict them four hundred years;

14 And also that nation, whom they shall serve, will I judge: and afterward shall they come out with great substance.

15 And thou shalt go to thy fathers in peace; thou shalt be buried in a good old age.

16 But in the fourth generation they shall come hither again: for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet full.

Why did it take that long? God is a forgiving God, waiting patiently for people to repent and realize theconsequences of their iniquities. The timing was not only for the Israelites, but also for their enemies.

His being a forgiving God spells His long-suffering for the Amorites.Who are these Amorites?

The Amorites were an ancient nation mentioned frequently in the Old Testament. They were descended from one of the sons of Canaan (Genesis 14:7). In early inscriptions, the Amorites were also known as Amurra or Amurri. The "land of the Amorites" included Syria and Palestine. Some of the southern mountains of Judea were also called the hill country of the Amorites (Deuteronomy 1:7,19-20).Despite their strong numbers and military might, the Amorites were destroyed due to their worship of false gods. Israel"s conquest of their land was part of God"s judgment on the pagan Amorite culture.The Amorite nation had plenty of time to turn from their idolatry, but they despised God's goodness and longsuffering and refused to repent (Romans 2:4). The Lord"s judgment upon them was severe, and anyone who imitates their rebellion will eternally regret it (Romans 2:5; Matthew 10:28; Revelation 2:22-23).(Ref: Norman Geisler and Joseph M. Holden, The Popular Handbook of Archaeology and the Bible, Harvest House Publishers, 2012).

II PETER 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

I lost a ton of respect for Dawkins when he claimed there was still a lot of controversy over whether or not a historical Jesus existed and based that statement on the opinion of a single historian who had since recanted that position.
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12/23/2014 8:44:39 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/23/2014 8:38:05 PM, Idealist wrote:
At 12/21/2014 8:27:51 PM, Bendido wrote:
God"s Punitive Judgment on Wayward Nations after Many Warnings

An atheist scientist accuses God with a flood of adversarial adjectives. In his book, he wrote -

"The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully." (God Delusion. Chapter 2 p.31)

Breaking down the paragraph, here is the list of the freak accusations against the Creator by the freakiest of freaks, Richard Dawkins:

1. Unforgiving control-freak

2. Vindictive

3. Bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser

4. Misogynistic

5. Homophobic

6. Racist

7. Infanticidal

8. Genocidal

9. Filicidal

10. Pestilential

11. Megalomaniacal

12. Sadomasochistic

13. Capriciously malevolent bully

Unforgiving Control-Freak?

Unfortunately, for this scientist, his understanding about a creator in charge is nil. Anyone accusingsomebodyto be an "unforgiving control-freak" without basis isa freakhimself like Dawkins! The less-than-zero god of Dawkins is all of these, yet he is petty?

As recorded in the history of God"s nation, becauseof human greed and caprices,the Israelites suffered with rigor in the hands of the cruel Egyptians for four hundred years.

GENESIS 15:13-16

13 And he said unto Abram, Know of a surety that thy seed shall be a stranger in a land that is not theirs, and shall serve them; and they shall afflict them four hundred years;

14 And also that nation, whom they shall serve, will I judge: and afterward shall they come out with great substance.

15 And thou shalt go to thy fathers in peace; thou shalt be buried in a good old age.

16 But in the fourth generation they shall come hither again: for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet full.

Why did it take that long? God is a forgiving God, waiting patiently for people to repent and realize theconsequences of their iniquities. The timing was not only for the Israelites, but also for their enemies.

His being a forgiving God spells His long-suffering for the Amorites.Who are these Amorites?

The Amorites were an ancient nation mentioned frequently in the Old Testament. They were descended from one of the sons of Canaan (Genesis 14:7). In early inscriptions, the Amorites were also known as Amurra or Amurri. The "land of the Amorites" included Syria and Palestine. Some of the southern mountains of Judea were also called the hill country of the Amorites (Deuteronomy 1:7,19-20).Despite their strong numbers and military might, the Amorites were destroyed due to their worship of false gods. Israel"s conquest of their land was part of God"s judgment on the pagan Amorite culture.The Amorite nation had plenty of time to turn from their idolatry, but they despised God's goodness and longsuffering and refused to repent (Romans 2:4). The Lord"s judgment upon them was severe, and anyone who imitates their rebellion will eternally regret it (Romans 2:5; Matthew 10:28; Revelation 2:22-23).(Ref: Norman Geisler and Joseph M. Holden, The Popular Handbook of Archaeology and the Bible, Harvest House Publishers, 2012).

II PETER 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

I lost a ton of respect for Dawkins when he claimed there was still a lot of controversy over whether or not a historical Jesus existed and based that statement on the opinion of a single historian who had since recanted that position.

Why would you respect any of God's people who have never met our invisible Creator and lie about His plans?
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12/23/2014 8:54:28 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/23/2014 8:38:05 PM, Idealist wrote:

I lost a ton of respect for Dawkins when he claimed there was still a lot of controversy over whether or not a historical Jesus existed and based that statement on the opinion of a single historian who had since recanted that position.

I don't know if that statement is true, but how was Richard Dawkins to know that the historian would subsequently recant?
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12/23/2014 9:24:01 PM
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Very few historians claim that jesus of the bible is an historical figure.
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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12/24/2014 7:18:49 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/23/2014 9:24:01 PM, bulproof wrote:
Very few historians claim that jesus of the bible is an historical figure.

I wouldn't know what the proportion is, but you can pretty well guarantee they are all atheists who don;t want to admit that he was real.

Most atheists run scared of the truth, like you do.
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12/24/2014 7:20:12 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/23/2014 8:54:28 PM, dee-em wrote:
At 12/23/2014 8:38:05 PM, Idealist wrote:

I lost a ton of respect for Dawkins when he claimed there was still a lot of controversy over whether or not a historical Jesus existed and based that statement on the opinion of a single historian who had since recanted that position.

I don't know if that statement is true, but how was Richard Dawkins to know that the historian would subsequently recant?

And did he care. Richard Dawkins is a proven arrogant bigot.
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12/24/2014 7:23:38 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/23/2014 8:38:05 PM, Idealist wrote:
At 12/21/2014 8:27:51 PM, Bendido wrote:
God"s Punitive Judgment on Wayward Nations after Many Warnings

An atheist scientist accuses God with a flood of adversarial adjectives. In his book, he wrote -

"The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully." (God Delusion. Chapter 2 p.31)

Breaking down the paragraph, here is the list of the freak accusations against the Creator by the freakiest of freaks, Richard Dawkins:

1. Unforgiving control-freak

2. Vindictive

3. Bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser

4. Misogynistic

5. Homophobic

6. Racist

7. Infanticidal

8. Genocidal

9. Filicidal

10. Pestilential

11. Megalomaniacal

12. Sadomasochistic

13. Capriciously malevolent bully

Unforgiving Control-Freak?

Unfortunately, for this scientist, his understanding about a creator in charge is nil. Anyone accusingsomebodyto be an "unforgiving control-freak" without basis isa freakhimself like Dawkins! The less-than-zero god of Dawkins is all of these, yet he is petty?

As recorded in the history of God"s nation, becauseof human greed and caprices,the Israelites suffered with rigor in the hands of the cruel Egyptians for four hundred years.

GENESIS 15:13-16

13 And he said unto Abram, Know of a surety that thy seed shall be a stranger in a land that is not theirs, and shall serve them; and they shall afflict them four hundred years;

14 And also that nation, whom they shall serve, will I judge: and afterward shall they come out with great substance.

15 And thou shalt go to thy fathers in peace; thou shalt be buried in a good old age.

16 But in the fourth generation they shall come hither again: for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet full.

Why did it take that long? God is a forgiving God, waiting patiently for people to repent and realize theconsequences of their iniquities. The timing was not only for the Israelites, but also for their enemies.

His being a forgiving God spells His long-suffering for the Amorites.Who are these Amorites?

The Amorites were an ancient nation mentioned frequently in the Old Testament. They were descended from one of the sons of Canaan (Genesis 14:7). In early inscriptions, the Amorites were also known as Amurra or Amurri. The "land of the Amorites" included Syria and Palestine. Some of the southern mountains of Judea were also called the hill country of the Amorites (Deuteronomy 1:7,19-20).Despite their strong numbers and military might, the Amorites were destroyed due to their worship of false gods. Israel"s conquest of their land was part of God"s judgment on the pagan Amorite culture.The Amorite nation had plenty of time to turn from their idolatry, but they despised God's goodness and longsuffering and refused to repent (Romans 2:4). The Lord"s judgment upon them was severe, and anyone who imitates their rebellion will eternally regret it (Romans 2:5; Matthew 10:28; Revelation 2:22-23).(Ref: Norman Geisler and Joseph M. Holden, The Popular Handbook of Archaeology and the Bible, Harvest House Publishers, 2012).

II PETER 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

I lost a ton of respect for Dawkins when he claimed there was still a lot of controversy over whether or not a historical Jesus existed and based that statement on the opinion of a single historian who had since recanted that position.

I am sorry, but how can anuyone respect someone who has openly, and arrogantly, declared his bigotry saying that he believes evolution and always will because the alternative is unacceptable.

Since when was truth supposed to be unacceptable to any scientist, sience is supposed to be about teh search for truth, not for proof of a bogited opinion, though it is more often about teh latter than asbout truth in the end.

To find truth you have to examine things from both possibilities, as I have done, whihc is a large part of the reason I found it.
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12/24/2014 7:24:01 AM
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At 12/24/2014 7:18:49 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 12/23/2014 9:24:01 PM, bulproof wrote:
Very few historians claim that jesus of the bible is an historical figure.

I wouldn't know what the proportion is, but you can pretty well guarantee they are all atheists who don;t want to admit that he was real.

Most atheists run scared of the truth, like you do.

Most biblical historians are christians and almost none of them support the existence of the biblical jesus.
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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12/24/2014 7:26:01 AM
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At 12/24/2014 7:20:12 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 12/23/2014 8:54:28 PM, dee-em wrote:
At 12/23/2014 8:38:05 PM, Idealist wrote:

I lost a ton of respect for Dawkins when he claimed there was still a lot of controversy over whether or not a historical Jesus existed and based that statement on the opinion of a single historian who had since recanted that position.

I don't know if that statement is true, but how was Richard Dawkins to know that the historian would subsequently recant?

And did he care.

What? You're blaming him for not being clairvoyant?

Richard Dawkins is a proven arrogant bigot.

Lol. Attack his character because you guys certainly can't attack his arguments.
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12/24/2014 7:31:20 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/23/2014 8:33:49 PM, dee-em wrote:
At 12/23/2014 10:46:36 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:


Nothing I say is original, it all comes from scripture, even just the ideas , and peop0le are still arguing over who wrote what. and frankly, who cares, what they wrote is true and that is al that matters in the end.

Even you cites book and verse when quoting scripture. I'll leave "what they wrote is true" to marinate for a while. Lol.

Whihc is precisely what you should do. Never jump to an emotional conclusion. Truth is something you have to make very sure of indeed in this world based on lies.

In any search for truth, but especially of religious truth, the only course is question, question question, no matter who or what the source is.

Scripture commends those who check and question, as the Beroeans did (Acts 17:10,11).

Whilst God is happy if people just take teh word of his servants, he is happiest if those who listen also test, and literally make the truth their own, not one borrowed from someone else.

Why?

Because we are the ones with unbreakable faith like mine.

Gullibility, or unproven faith is, as Jesus illustrated, like a tower built n sand, that no matter how well built will crumble eventually.

So as I recommend to everyone, question question question. I have nothing to fear from questions nor has any who has matured in the truth from God.
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12/24/2014 7:24:46 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/23/2014 8:54:28 PM, dee-em wrote:
At 12/23/2014 8:38:05 PM, Idealist wrote:

I lost a ton of respect for Dawkins when he claimed there was still a lot of controversy over whether or not a historical Jesus existed and based that statement on the opinion of a single historian who had since recanted that position.

I don't know if that statement is true, but how was Richard Dawkins to know that the historian would subsequently recant?

It doesn't matter. One historian out of many with an opposing view does not make a position highly controversial. Dr. John Lennox questioned him about it in a public debate at Oxford and Dawkins had no answer. So much of that book was based on weak conclusions that it caused a lot of people to question how much work he put into it.
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12/24/2014 7:28:00 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/24/2014 7:23:38 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 12/23/2014 8:38:05 PM, Idealist wrote:
At 12/21/2014 8:27:51 PM, Bendido wrote:
God"s Punitive Judgment on Wayward Nations after Many Warnings

An atheist scientist accuses God with a flood of adversarial adjectives. In his book, he wrote -

"The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully." (God Delusion. Chapter 2 p.31)

Breaking down the paragraph, here is the list of the freak accusations against the Creator by the freakiest of freaks, Richard Dawkins:

1. Unforgiving control-freak

2. Vindictive

3. Bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser

4. Misogynistic

5. Homophobic

6. Racist

7. Infanticidal

8. Genocidal

9. Filicidal

10. Pestilential

11. Megalomaniacal

12. Sadomasochistic

13. Capriciously malevolent bully

Unforgiving Control-Freak?

Unfortunately, for this scientist, his understanding about a creator in charge is nil. Anyone accusingsomebodyto be an "unforgiving control-freak" without basis isa freakhimself like Dawkins! The less-than-zero god of Dawkins is all of these, yet he is petty?

As recorded in the history of God"s nation, becauseof human greed and caprices,the Israelites suffered with rigor in the hands of the cruel Egyptians for four hundred years.

GENESIS 15:13-16

13 And he said unto Abram, Know of a surety that thy seed shall be a stranger in a land that is not theirs, and shall serve them; and they shall afflict them four hundred years;

14 And also that nation, whom they shall serve, will I judge: and afterward shall they come out with great substance.

15 And thou shalt go to thy fathers in peace; thou shalt be buried in a good old age.

16 But in the fourth generation they shall come hither again: for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet full.

Why did it take that long? God is a forgiving God, waiting patiently for people to repent and realize theconsequences of their iniquities. The timing was not only for the Israelites, but also for their enemies.

His being a forgiving God spells His long-suffering for the Amorites.Who are these Amorites?

The Amorites were an ancient nation mentioned frequently in the Old Testament. They were descended from one of the sons of Canaan (Genesis 14:7). In early inscriptions, the Amorites were also known as Amurra or Amurri. The "land of the Amorites" included Syria and Palestine. Some of the southern mountains of Judea were also called the hill country of the Amorites (Deuteronomy 1:7,19-20).Despite their strong numbers and military might, the Amorites were destroyed due to their worship of false gods. Israel"s conquest of their land was part of God"s judgment on the pagan Amorite culture.The Amorite nation had plenty of time to turn from their idolatry, but they despised God's goodness and longsuffering and refused to repent (Romans 2:4). The Lord"s judgment upon them was severe, and anyone who imitates their rebellion will eternally regret it (Romans 2:5; Matthew 10:28; Revelation 2:22-23).(Ref: Norman Geisler and Joseph M. Holden, The Popular Handbook of Archaeology and the Bible, Harvest House Publishers, 2012).

II PETER 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

I lost a ton of respect for Dawkins when he claimed there was still a lot of controversy over whether or not a historical Jesus existed and based that statement on the opinion of a single historian who had since recanted that position.

I am sorry, but how can anuyone respect someone who has openly, and arrogantly, declared his bigotry saying that he believes evolution and always will because the alternative is unacceptable.

Since when was truth supposed to be unacceptable to any scientist, sience is supposed to be about teh search for truth, not for proof of a bogited opinion, though it is more often about teh latter than asbout truth in the end.

To find truth you have to examine things from both possibilities, as I have done, whihc is a large part of the reason I found it.

You can disagree with someone and still respect their intelligence and methods. You can entertain someone else's ideas without accepting them. But one thing that's hard for anyone to accept is the exaggeration of basic claims.
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12/25/2014 3:22:51 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/24/2014 7:28:00 PM, Idealist wrote:
At 12/24/2014 7:23:38 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 12/23/2014 8:38:05 PM, Idealist wrote:
At 12/21/2014 8:27:51 PM, Bendido wrote:
God"s Punitive Judgment on Wayward Nations after Many Warnings

An atheist scientist accuses God with a flood of adversarial adjectives. In his book, he wrote -

"The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully." (God Delusion. Chapter 2 p.31)

Breaking down the paragraph, here is the list of the freak accusations against the Creator by the freakiest of freaks, Richard Dawkins:

1. Unforgiving control-freak

2. Vindictive

3. Bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser

4. Misogynistic

5. Homophobic

6. Racist

7. Infanticidal

8. Genocidal

9. Filicidal

10. Pestilential

11. Megalomaniacal

12. Sadomasochistic

13. Capriciously malevolent bully

Unforgiving Control-Freak?

Unfortunately, for this scientist, his understanding about a creator in charge is nil. Anyone accusingsomebodyto be an "unforgiving control-freak" without basis isa freakhimself like Dawkins! The less-than-zero god of Dawkins is all of these, yet he is petty?

As recorded in the history of God"s nation, becauseof human greed and caprices,the Israelites suffered with rigor in the hands of the cruel Egyptians for four hundred years.

GENESIS 15:13-16

13 And he said unto Abram, Know of a surety that thy seed shall be a stranger in a land that is not theirs, and shall serve them; and they shall afflict them four hundred years;

14 And also that nation, whom they shall serve, will I judge: and afterward shall they come out with great substance.

15 And thou shalt go to thy fathers in peace; thou shalt be buried in a good old age.

16 But in the fourth generation they shall come hither again: for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet full.

Why did it take that long? God is a forgiving God, waiting patiently for people to repent and realize theconsequences of their iniquities. The timing was not only for the Israelites, but also for their enemies.

His being a forgiving God spells His long-suffering for the Amorites.Who are these Amorites?

The Amorites were an ancient nation mentioned frequently in the Old Testament. They were descended from one of the sons of Canaan (Genesis 14:7). In early inscriptions, the Amorites were also known as Amurra or Amurri. The "land of the Amorites" included Syria and Palestine. Some of the southern mountains of Judea were also called the hill country of the Amorites (Deuteronomy 1:7,19-20).Despite their strong numbers and military might, the Amorites were destroyed due to their worship of false gods. Israel"s conquest of their land was part of God"s judgment on the pagan Amorite culture.The Amorite nation had plenty of time to turn from their idolatry, but they despised God's goodness and longsuffering and refused to repent (Romans 2:4). The Lord"s judgment upon them was severe, and anyone who imitates their rebellion will eternally regret it (Romans 2:5; Matthew 10:28; Revelation 2:22-23).(Ref: Norman Geisler and Joseph M. Holden, The Popular Handbook of Archaeology and the Bible, Harvest House Publishers, 2012).

II PETER 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

I lost a ton of respect for Dawkins when he claimed there was still a lot of controversy over whether or not a historical Jesus existed and based that statement on the opinion of a single historian who had since recanted that position.

I am sorry, but how can anuyone respect someone who has openly, and arrogantly, declared his bigotry saying that he believes evolution and always will because the alternative is unacceptable.

Since when was truth supposed to be unacceptable to any scientist, sience is supposed to be about teh search for truth, not for proof of a bogited opinion, though it is more often about teh latter than asbout truth in the end.

To find truth you have to examine things from both possibilities, as I have done, whihc is a large part of the reason I found it.

You can disagree with someone and still respect their intelligence and methods. You can entertain someone else's ideas without accepting them. But one thing that's hard for anyone to accept is the exaggeration of basic claims.

Of course, anyone who supports misogyny should have their intellect respected.
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