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Skepsikyma
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12/24/2014 5:17:50 PM
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I was wondering if any modern Christians defend the virtuosity of the Albigensian Crusade, Aragonese Crusade, and/or Fourth Crusade, and, if so, on what grounds?
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12/24/2014 6:19:53 PM
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At 12/24/2014 5:17:50 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
I was wondering if any modern Christians defend the virtuosity of the Albigensian Crusade, Aragonese Crusade, and/or Fourth Crusade, and, if so, on what grounds?

No. They were all pompous murderers who bathed religion in blood.
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12/25/2014 10:49:34 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/24/2014 5:17:50 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
I was wondering if any modern Christians defend the virtuosity of the Albigensian Crusade, Aragonese Crusade, and/or Fourth Crusade, and, if so, on what grounds?

Would not the continued patronage to Christianity be grounds enough considering any Crusades were based on interpretations of Christianity?
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a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
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bornofgod
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12/25/2014 10:57:32 AM
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At 12/24/2014 5:17:50 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
I was wondering if any modern Christians defend the virtuosity of the Albigensian Crusade, Aragonese Crusade, and/or Fourth Crusade, and, if so, on what grounds?

God has used many ways to kill the flesh of His men and beasts during this first age. But don't worry, He will never kill any of His formed illusions in the next age.
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12/25/2014 10:59:07 AM
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At 12/25/2014 10:49:34 AM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 12/24/2014 5:17:50 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
I was wondering if any modern Christians defend the virtuosity of the Albigensian Crusade, Aragonese Crusade, and/or Fourth Crusade, and, if so, on what grounds?

Would not the continued patronage to Christianity be grounds enough considering any Crusades were based on interpretations of Christianity?

These particular Crusades all targeted other Christians. The Albigensian Crusade targeted Cathars in Languedoc, a sect which the Church saw as heretical. The Aragonese Crusade targeted the Christian kingdom of Aragon in modern day Spain, and is probably the most widely condemned Crusade among modern Christians. The Fourth Crusade was originally intended to assist the Byzantine Empire in fending off the Ottomans, but went bankrupt. Venice funded the Crusade and used it to recapture several Dalmatian states and to sack Constantinople itself in an act of revenge which cemented the schism between East and West.
"The Collectivist experiment is thoroughly suited (in appearance at least) to the Capitalist society which it proposes to replace. It works with the existing machinery of Capitalism, talks and thinks in the existing terms of Capitalism, appeals to just those appetites which Capitalism has aroused, and ridicules as fantastic and unheard-of just those things in society the memory of which Capitalism has killed among men wherever the blight of it has spread."
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12/25/2014 11:00:41 AM
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At 12/25/2014 10:57:32 AM, bornofgod wrote:
At 12/24/2014 5:17:50 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
I was wondering if any modern Christians defend the virtuosity of the Albigensian Crusade, Aragonese Crusade, and/or Fourth Crusade, and, if so, on what grounds?

God has used many ways to kill the flesh of His men and beasts during this first age. But don't worry, He will never kill any of His formed illusions in the next age.

Is 'God' equivalent with the Roman Catholic Church, in your opinion?
"The Collectivist experiment is thoroughly suited (in appearance at least) to the Capitalist society which it proposes to replace. It works with the existing machinery of Capitalism, talks and thinks in the existing terms of Capitalism, appeals to just those appetites which Capitalism has aroused, and ridicules as fantastic and unheard-of just those things in society the memory of which Capitalism has killed among men wherever the blight of it has spread."
- Hilaire Belloc -
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12/25/2014 11:03:23 AM
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At 12/25/2014 10:59:07 AM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 12/25/2014 10:49:34 AM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 12/24/2014 5:17:50 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
I was wondering if any modern Christians defend the virtuosity of the Albigensian Crusade, Aragonese Crusade, and/or Fourth Crusade, and, if so, on what grounds?

Would not the continued patronage to Christianity be grounds enough considering any Crusades were based on interpretations of Christianity?

These particular Crusades all targeted other Christians. The Albigensian Crusade targeted Cathars in Languedoc, a sect which the Church saw as heretical. The Aragonese Crusade targeted the Christian kingdom of Aragon in modern day Spain, and is probably the most widely condemned Crusade among modern Christians. The Fourth Crusade was originally intended to assist the Byzantine Empire in fending off the Ottomans, but went bankrupt. Venice funded the Crusade and used it to recapture several Dalmatian states and to sack Constantinople itself in an act of revenge which cemented the schism between East and West.

Yes, it would seem one sect went to war with another over the interpretations of Christianity as you point out, "the Church saw as heretical".
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
bornofgod
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12/25/2014 11:22:50 AM
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At 12/25/2014 11:00:41 AM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 12/25/2014 10:57:32 AM, bornofgod wrote:
At 12/24/2014 5:17:50 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
I was wondering if any modern Christians defend the virtuosity of the Albigensian Crusade, Aragonese Crusade, and/or Fourth Crusade, and, if so, on what grounds?

God has used many ways to kill the flesh of His men and beasts during this first age. But don't worry, He will never kill any of His formed illusions in the next age.

Is 'God' equivalent with the Roman Catholic Church, in your opinion?

God formed religion during this first age from His plan called the beast. For every false god ( building built with human hands ) that He had His people build, He gave man different types of languages to go along with it. One set of language was for the designers of the building. One set of language was for the builders of the building. Another set of language was for the one's who maintained the building and other sets of languages came from the experiences ( stories ) of the people who used the building.

These buildings ( false gods ) grew into cities that needed a governing entity to protect them from people who wanted to take control of their false gods. They needed to pass laws with a judge and court system for protecting their false gods. This is how governments were established. So religion and governments are always tied to each other in every town, city, county, country that exists.

God chose certain people of these religious groups to become Truth seekers and start studying what they observe in this world beyond what the religious leaders were telling them. These people became philosophers, mathematicians to measure objects they observed, and eventually science was born from these people. God used the night sky with all the stars, planets, moon, etc. as a geometry teaching aid to teach His chosen leaders how to form characters used in their languages. He had them form imaginary lines from one star to the next to get these shapes for their characters and buildings they built.

Once God had them start digging in the ground for rocks to carve into these shapes to build their false gods with, they discovered minerals with multiple sides to use for their building shapes. This is how the octagon shaped buildings and windows came about.

Eventually, God taught His people how to build the modern technology we have today to use as analogies to teach us exactly how He created us. Now we know we're made of information in the form of invisible wavelengths of energy that come from vibrations. All the visible objects we observe are nothing but illusions that aren't real at all. This is why He has waited until now to end this age because all He wanted us to know is that we are nothing but characters in His dreamed up programs.

It's very humbling to learn that we're not real.
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12/25/2014 12:04:44 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/25/2014 11:03:23 AM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 12/25/2014 10:59:07 AM, Skepsikyma wrote:
At 12/25/2014 10:49:34 AM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 12/24/2014 5:17:50 PM, Skepsikyma wrote:
I was wondering if any modern Christians defend the virtuosity of the Albigensian Crusade, Aragonese Crusade, and/or Fourth Crusade, and, if so, on what grounds?

Would not the continued patronage to Christianity be grounds enough considering any Crusades were based on interpretations of Christianity?

These particular Crusades all targeted other Christians. The Albigensian Crusade targeted Cathars in Languedoc, a sect which the Church saw as heretical. The Aragonese Crusade targeted the Christian kingdom of Aragon in modern day Spain, and is probably the most widely condemned Crusade among modern Christians. The Fourth Crusade was originally intended to assist the Byzantine Empire in fending off the Ottomans, but went bankrupt. Venice funded the Crusade and used it to recapture several Dalmatian states and to sack Constantinople itself in an act of revenge which cemented the schism between East and West.

Yes, it would seem one sect went to war with another over the interpretations of Christianity as you point out, "the Church saw as heretical".

On the Albigensian Crusade, yes, but it still wasn't that clear cut. A lot of the build up was political. The Church originally attempted to convert the Cathars, but failed. Then they pressured the ruling powers to suppress the Cathars, but they resisted, and a Papal envoy was killed en route to Rome. When the Crusade was launched a lot of the fighting was between Catholics loyal to the Church and Catholics who were defending their countrymen, as the Cathars themselves were pacifistic.

The other two were not about heresy at all. The Aragonese Crusade was purely political, and the Fourth Crusade was basically hijacked by Venice for their own political purposes, and directed against an Empire whose church had not yet fully undergone a schism with Catholicism (The Great Schism was a very slow and gradual process).
"The Collectivist experiment is thoroughly suited (in appearance at least) to the Capitalist society which it proposes to replace. It works with the existing machinery of Capitalism, talks and thinks in the existing terms of Capitalism, appeals to just those appetites which Capitalism has aroused, and ridicules as fantastic and unheard-of just those things in society the memory of which Capitalism has killed among men wherever the blight of it has spread."
- Hilaire Belloc -