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12/24/2014 7:18:06 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Archaeologists date the domestication of camels in Israel to the first millennium:

The study was able to "narrow down the range in which domesticated camels were introduced to 30 years," said Sapir-Hen, an archaeozoologist who studies the role of animals in ancient human culture, in a phone interview. It's "sometime between 930 and 900 B.C."

Camels were probably first domesticated in the Arabian Peninsula in the early first millennium B.C. Archaeologists base this date on mortality profiles of excavated skeletons, the gender of the animals, and lesions on leg bones that would have resulted from the repetitive stress of working as pack animals.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com...

Domesticated camels in Genesis:

10 Then the servant left, taking with him ten of his master"s camels loaded with all kinds of good things from his master. He set out for Aram Naharaim and made his way to the town of Nahor. 11 He had the camels kneel down near the well outside the town; it was toward evening, the time the women go out to draw water.

https://www.biblegateway.com...

Dating of Abraham:

Of course, there are no archaeological findings that refer specifically to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, so where they fit into the archaeological periods isn't precise, but we can place the birth of Abraham with some degree of confidence between 2100 and 1800 BC.[17]

http://www.jesuswalk.com...

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12/24/2014 7:43:47 PM
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Ah. So what you're saying is that Abraham shouldn't have had camels?
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12/24/2014 7:47:36 PM
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At 12/24/2014 7:43:47 PM, Vox_Veritas wrote:
Ah. So what you're saying is that Abraham shouldn't have had camels?

Yes, that is what the archaeologists findings of when camels were domesticated in the region and the time period Abraham was thought to have lived would suggest.
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12/24/2014 8:44:45 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/24/2014 7:18:06 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
Archaeologists date the domestication of camels in Israel to the first millennium:

The study was able to "narrow down the range in which domesticated camels were introduced to 30 years," said Sapir-Hen, an archaeozoologist who studies the role of animals in ancient human culture, in a phone interview. It's "sometime between 930 and 900 B.C."

Camels were probably first domesticated in the Arabian Peninsula in the early first millennium B.C. Archaeologists base this date on mortality profiles of excavated skeletons, the gender of the animals, and lesions on leg bones that would have resulted from the repetitive stress of working as pack animals.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com...

Domesticated camels in Genesis:

10 Then the servant left, taking with him ten of his master"s camels loaded with all kinds of good things from his master. He set out for Aram Naharaim and made his way to the town of Nahor. 11 He had the camels kneel down near the well outside the town; it was toward evening, the time the women go out to draw water.

https://www.biblegateway.com...

Dating of Abraham:

Of course, there are no archaeological findings that refer specifically to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, so where they fit into the archaeological periods isn't precise, but we can place the birth of Abraham with some degree of confidence between 2100 and 1800 BC.[17]

http://www.jesuswalk.com...

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Since when did archaeologists start speaking for our Creator?
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12/24/2014 9:00:35 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/24/2014 8:44:45 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 12/24/2014 7:18:06 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
Archaeologists date the domestication of camels in Israel to the first millennium:

The study was able to "narrow down the range in which domesticated camels were introduced to 30 years," said Sapir-Hen, an archaeozoologist who studies the role of animals in ancient human culture, in a phone interview. It's "sometime between 930 and 900 B.C."

Camels were probably first domesticated in the Arabian Peninsula in the early first millennium B.C. Archaeologists base this date on mortality profiles of excavated skeletons, the gender of the animals, and lesions on leg bones that would have resulted from the repetitive stress of working as pack animals.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com...

Domesticated camels in Genesis:

10 Then the servant left, taking with him ten of his master"s camels loaded with all kinds of good things from his master. He set out for Aram Naharaim and made his way to the town of Nahor. 11 He had the camels kneel down near the well outside the town; it was toward evening, the time the women go out to draw water.

https://www.biblegateway.com...

Dating of Abraham:

Of course, there are no archaeological findings that refer specifically to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, so where they fit into the archaeological periods isn't precise, but we can place the birth of Abraham with some degree of confidence between 2100 and 1800 BC.[17]

http://www.jesuswalk.com...

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Since when did archaeologists start speaking for our Creator?

Never. The Bible story has domesticated camels before they existed in Israel. Any insight into that, Brad?
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12/24/2014 9:43:24 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/24/2014 9:00:35 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 12/24/2014 8:44:45 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 12/24/2014 7:18:06 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
Archaeologists date the domestication of camels in Israel to the first millennium:

The study was able to "narrow down the range in which domesticated camels were introduced to 30 years," said Sapir-Hen, an archaeozoologist who studies the role of animals in ancient human culture, in a phone interview. It's "sometime between 930 and 900 B.C."

Camels were probably first domesticated in the Arabian Peninsula in the early first millennium B.C. Archaeologists base this date on mortality profiles of excavated skeletons, the gender of the animals, and lesions on leg bones that would have resulted from the repetitive stress of working as pack animals.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com...

Domesticated camels in Genesis:

10 Then the servant left, taking with him ten of his master"s camels loaded with all kinds of good things from his master. He set out for Aram Naharaim and made his way to the town of Nahor. 11 He had the camels kneel down near the well outside the town; it was toward evening, the time the women go out to draw water.

https://www.biblegateway.com...

Dating of Abraham:

Of course, there are no archaeological findings that refer specifically to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, so where they fit into the archaeological periods isn't precise, but we can place the birth of Abraham with some degree of confidence between 2100 and 1800 BC.[17]

http://www.jesuswalk.com...

Comments?

Since when did archaeologists start speaking for our Creator?

Never. The Bible story has domesticated camels before they existed in Israel. Any insight into that, Brad?

Do you believe everything you read? I surely don't. I speak for our Creator and He has never mentioned anything about His camels.
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12/24/2014 10:01:05 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/24/2014 9:43:24 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 12/24/2014 9:00:35 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 12/24/2014 8:44:45 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 12/24/2014 7:18:06 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
Archaeologists date the domestication of camels in Israel to the first millennium:

The study was able to "narrow down the range in which domesticated camels were introduced to 30 years," said Sapir-Hen, an archaeozoologist who studies the role of animals in ancient human culture, in a phone interview. It's "sometime between 930 and 900 B.C."

Camels were probably first domesticated in the Arabian Peninsula in the early first millennium B.C. Archaeologists base this date on mortality profiles of excavated skeletons, the gender of the animals, and lesions on leg bones that would have resulted from the repetitive stress of working as pack animals.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com...

Domesticated camels in Genesis:

10 Then the servant left, taking with him ten of his master"s camels loaded with all kinds of good things from his master. He set out for Aram Naharaim and made his way to the town of Nahor. 11 He had the camels kneel down near the well outside the town; it was toward evening, the time the women go out to draw water.

https://www.biblegateway.com...

Dating of Abraham:

Of course, there are no archaeological findings that refer specifically to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, so where they fit into the archaeological periods isn't precise, but we can place the birth of Abraham with some degree of confidence between 2100 and 1800 BC.[17]

http://www.jesuswalk.com...

Comments?

Since when did archaeologists start speaking for our Creator?

Never. The Bible story has domesticated camels before they existed in Israel. Any insight into that, Brad?

Do you believe everything you read? I surely don't. I speak for our Creator and He has never mentioned anything about His camels.

No, I don't believe stories presented as fact which have anachronistic elements and anonymous authors. The article, on the other hand, is backed by modern dating methods and other evidence. At best, some of the stories in the OT were written much later than previously thought. At any rate, it would appear 'infallible' is an inaccurate description of the Bible.
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12/24/2014 10:22:53 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/24/2014 10:01:05 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 12/24/2014 9:43:24 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 12/24/2014 9:00:35 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 12/24/2014 8:44:45 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 12/24/2014 7:18:06 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
Archaeologists date the domestication of camels in Israel to the first millennium:

The study was able to "narrow down the range in which domesticated camels were introduced to 30 years," said Sapir-Hen, an archaeozoologist who studies the role of animals in ancient human culture, in a phone interview. It's "sometime between 930 and 900 B.C."

Camels were probably first domesticated in the Arabian Peninsula in the early first millennium B.C. Archaeologists base this date on mortality profiles of excavated skeletons, the gender of the animals, and lesions on leg bones that would have resulted from the repetitive stress of working as pack animals.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com...

Domesticated camels in Genesis:

10 Then the servant left, taking with him ten of his master"s camels loaded with all kinds of good things from his master. He set out for Aram Naharaim and made his way to the town of Nahor. 11 He had the camels kneel down near the well outside the town; it was toward evening, the time the women go out to draw water.

https://www.biblegateway.com...

Dating of Abraham:

Of course, there are no archaeological findings that refer specifically to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, so where they fit into the archaeological periods isn't precise, but we can place the birth of Abraham with some degree of confidence between 2100 and 1800 BC.[17]

http://www.jesuswalk.com...

Comments?

Since when did archaeologists start speaking for our Creator?

Never. The Bible story has domesticated camels before they existed in Israel. Any insight into that, Brad?

Do you believe everything you read? I surely don't. I speak for our Creator and He has never mentioned anything about His camels.

No, I don't believe stories presented as fact which have anachronistic elements and anonymous authors. The article, on the other hand, is backed by modern dating methods and other evidence. At best, some of the stories in the OT were written much later than previously thought. At any rate, it would appear 'infallible' is an inaccurate description of the Bible.

The people who gathered the writings and produced the Bible did not know our Creator like us saints and prophets did. They had no way of knowing which writings were from the mind of our Creator or what came from His plan called the beast.
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12/24/2014 10:45:02 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/24/2014 10:22:53 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 12/24/2014 10:01:05 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 12/24/2014 9:43:24 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 12/24/2014 9:00:35 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 12/24/2014 8:44:45 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 12/24/2014 7:18:06 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
Archaeologists date the domestication of camels in Israel to the first millennium:

The study was able to "narrow down the range in which domesticated camels were introduced to 30 years," said Sapir-Hen, an archaeozoologist who studies the role of animals in ancient human culture, in a phone interview. It's "sometime between 930 and 900 B.C."

Camels were probably first domesticated in the Arabian Peninsula in the early first millennium B.C. Archaeologists base this date on mortality profiles of excavated skeletons, the gender of the animals, and lesions on leg bones that would have resulted from the repetitive stress of working as pack animals.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com...

Domesticated camels in Genesis:

10 Then the servant left, taking with him ten of his master"s camels loaded with all kinds of good things from his master. He set out for Aram Naharaim and made his way to the town of Nahor. 11 He had the camels kneel down near the well outside the town; it was toward evening, the time the women go out to draw water.

https://www.biblegateway.com...

Dating of Abraham:

Of course, there are no archaeological findings that refer specifically to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, so where they fit into the archaeological periods isn't precise, but we can place the birth of Abraham with some degree of confidence between 2100 and 1800 BC.[17]

http://www.jesuswalk.com...

Comments?

Since when did archaeologists start speaking for our Creator?

Never. The Bible story has domesticated camels before they existed in Israel. Any insight into that, Brad?

Do you believe everything you read? I surely don't. I speak for our Creator and He has never mentioned anything about His camels.

No, I don't believe stories presented as fact which have anachronistic elements and anonymous authors. The article, on the other hand, is backed by modern dating methods and other evidence. At best, some of the stories in the OT were written much later than previously thought. At any rate, it would appear 'infallible' is an inaccurate description of the Bible.

The people who gathered the writings and produced the Bible did not know our Creator like us saints and prophets did. They had no way of knowing which writings were from the mind of our Creator or what came from His plan called the beast.

So, basically, you're saying the Bible contains stories which are not from god? I can agree with that. It is fairly obvious some parts of the Bible suffer from the ignorance of ancient authors and could not be derived from a tri-omni being concerned with the validity of stories of him and his people.
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12/24/2014 10:55:38 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/24/2014 10:45:02 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 12/24/2014 10:22:53 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 12/24/2014 10:01:05 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 12/24/2014 9:43:24 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 12/24/2014 9:00:35 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 12/24/2014 8:44:45 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 12/24/2014 7:18:06 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
Archaeologists date the domestication of camels in Israel to the first millennium:

The study was able to "narrow down the range in which domesticated camels were introduced to 30 years," said Sapir-Hen, an archaeozoologist who studies the role of animals in ancient human culture, in a phone interview. It's "sometime between 930 and 900 B.C."

Camels were probably first domesticated in the Arabian Peninsula in the early first millennium B.C. Archaeologists base this date on mortality profiles of excavated skeletons, the gender of the animals, and lesions on leg bones that would have resulted from the repetitive stress of working as pack animals.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com...

Domesticated camels in Genesis:

10 Then the servant left, taking with him ten of his master"s camels loaded with all kinds of good things from his master. He set out for Aram Naharaim and made his way to the town of Nahor. 11 He had the camels kneel down near the well outside the town; it was toward evening, the time the women go out to draw water.

https://www.biblegateway.com...

Dating of Abraham:

Of course, there are no archaeological findings that refer specifically to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, so where they fit into the archaeological periods isn't precise, but we can place the birth of Abraham with some degree of confidence between 2100 and 1800 BC.[17]

http://www.jesuswalk.com...

Comments?

Since when did archaeologists start speaking for our Creator?

Never. The Bible story has domesticated camels before they existed in Israel. Any insight into that, Brad?

Do you believe everything you read? I surely don't. I speak for our Creator and He has never mentioned anything about His camels.

No, I don't believe stories presented as fact which have anachronistic elements and anonymous authors. The article, on the other hand, is backed by modern dating methods and other evidence. At best, some of the stories in the OT were written much later than previously thought. At any rate, it would appear 'infallible' is an inaccurate description of the Bible.

The people who gathered the writings and produced the Bible did not know our Creator like us saints and prophets did. They had no way of knowing which writings were from the mind of our Creator or what came from His plan called the beast.

So, basically, you're saying the Bible contains stories which are not from god? I can agree with that. It is fairly obvious some parts of the Bible suffer from the ignorance of ancient authors and could not be derived from a tri-omni being concerned with the validity of stories of him and his people.

God planned to use the Bible to keep His people from knowing Him and His plan while at the same time, He used us saints to testify to His knowledge so that we can understand the prophecies that His prophets wrote for Him. Only us saints learn what will happen in the future. Christians are NOT saints. Most of them reject the knowledge that I share. You can easily see that in this forum.
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12/24/2014 10:59:12 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/24/2014 10:55:38 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 12/24/2014 10:45:02 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 12/24/2014 10:22:53 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 12/24/2014 10:01:05 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 12/24/2014 9:43:24 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 12/24/2014 9:00:35 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 12/24/2014 8:44:45 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 12/24/2014 7:18:06 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
Archaeologists date the domestication of camels in Israel to the first millennium:

The study was able to "narrow down the range in which domesticated camels were introduced to 30 years," said Sapir-Hen, an archaeozoologist who studies the role of animals in ancient human culture, in a phone interview. It's "sometime between 930 and 900 B.C."

Camels were probably first domesticated in the Arabian Peninsula in the early first millennium B.C. Archaeologists base this date on mortality profiles of excavated skeletons, the gender of the animals, and lesions on leg bones that would have resulted from the repetitive stress of working as pack animals.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com...

Domesticated camels in Genesis:

10 Then the servant left, taking with him ten of his master"s camels loaded with all kinds of good things from his master. He set out for Aram Naharaim and made his way to the town of Nahor. 11 He had the camels kneel down near the well outside the town; it was toward evening, the time the women go out to draw water.

https://www.biblegateway.com...

Dating of Abraham:

Of course, there are no archaeological findings that refer specifically to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, so where they fit into the archaeological periods isn't precise, but we can place the birth of Abraham with some degree of confidence between 2100 and 1800 BC.[17]

http://www.jesuswalk.com...

Comments?

Since when did archaeologists start speaking for our Creator?

Never. The Bible story has domesticated camels before they existed in Israel. Any insight into that, Brad?

Do you believe everything you read? I surely don't. I speak for our Creator and He has never mentioned anything about His camels.

No, I don't believe stories presented as fact which have anachronistic elements and anonymous authors. The article, on the other hand, is backed by modern dating methods and other evidence. At best, some of the stories in the OT were written much later than previously thought. At any rate, it would appear 'infallible' is an inaccurate description of the Bible.

The people who gathered the writings and produced the Bible did not know our Creator like us saints and prophets did. They had no way of knowing which writings were from the mind of our Creator or what came from His plan called the beast.

So, basically, you're saying the Bible contains stories which are not from god? I can agree with that. It is fairly obvious some parts of the Bible suffer from the ignorance of ancient authors and could not be derived from a tri-omni being concerned with the validity of stories of him and his people.

God planned to use the Bible to keep His people from knowing Him and His plan while at the same time, He used us saints to testify to His knowledge so that we can understand the prophecies that His prophets wrote for Him. Only us saints learn what will happen in the future. Christians are NOT saints. Most of them reject the knowledge that I share. You can easily see that in this forum.

If you know the future can you tell me the next power ball lotto numbers?
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12/24/2014 11:00:00 PM
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Christians are NOT saints. Most of them reject the knowledge that I share. You can easily see that in this forum.

Hey, Brad, you're a likable guy and I hate to down you, but the Christians and I probably agree about your 'message'.
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12/24/2014 11:04:17 PM
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At 12/24/2014 11:00:00 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
Christians are NOT saints. Most of them reject the knowledge that I share. You can easily see that in this forum.

Hey, Brad, you're a likable guy and I hate to down you, but the Christians and I probably agree about your 'message'.

Most Christians reject the Truth. Only chosen believers listen to our gospel ( the voice of God ) and hear something that they believe in. If you're listening and learning something new, then you were chosen to hear our Creator. You're on your own if you're a chosen believer. No other believer or unbeliever can influence you.
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12/25/2014 8:10:53 AM
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