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6/3/2010 11:36:34 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Simple really, if you so please then I kindly invite you to attempt to convert me to your faith.

If you are not interested in doing so you don't have to post here.
If you are unwilling to discuss the nature of your faith you don't have to post here.
If you simply intend to post personal abuse you don't have to post here.
I am voting for Innomen because of his intelligence, common sense, humility and the fact that Juggle appears to listen to him. Any other Presidential style would have a large sub-section of the site up in arms. If I was President I would destroy the site though elitism, others would let it run riot. Innomen represents a middle way that works, neither draconian nor anarchic and that is the only way things can work. Plus he does it all without ego trips.
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6/3/2010 11:49:59 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/3/2010 11:38:12 PM, FREEDO wrote:
Boxxy is undeniable proof that there is a God and he loves us.

You tout intellectual superiority and then say stupid sh!t like this. Unnecessary derailing of a topic that contributed nothing to serious discussion.
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6/3/2010 11:53:34 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
So anyway...

Simple really, if you so please then I kindly invite you to attempt to convert me to your faith.

If you are not interested in doing so you don't have to post here.
If you are unwilling to discuss the nature of your faith you don't have to post here.
If you simply intend to post personal abuse you don't have to post here.
I am voting for Innomen because of his intelligence, common sense, humility and the fact that Juggle appears to listen to him. Any other Presidential style would have a large sub-section of the site up in arms. If I was President I would destroy the site though elitism, others would let it run riot. Innomen represents a middle way that works, neither draconian nor anarchic and that is the only way things can work. Plus he does it all without ego trips.
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6/4/2010 12:39:31 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/3/2010 11:36:34 PM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
Simple really, if you so please then I kindly invite you to attempt to convert me to your faith.

If you are not interested in doing so you don't have to post here.
If you are unwilling to discuss the nature of your faith you don't have to post here.
If you simply intend to post personal abuse you don't have to post here.

I doubt you're serious, so I doubt I'll even attempt to convert you to anything. ;)
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6/4/2010 1:04:11 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/4/2010 12:39:31 AM, InsertNameHere wrote:
I doubt you're serious, so I doubt I'll even attempt to convert you to anything. ;)

I think he wants to see if he can be swayed by anyone's attempts to convert him. If they don't persuade him to convert, then he may wonder why it convinced that person if both people are given the same reasons to believe.
"We must raise the standard of the Old, free, decentralized, and strictly limited Republic."
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"The worst thing that can happen to a good cause is, not to be skillfully attacked, but to be ineptly defended."
-- Frederic Bastiat
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6/4/2010 1:08:19 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/4/2010 1:04:11 AM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 6/4/2010 12:39:31 AM, InsertNameHere wrote:
I doubt you're serious, so I doubt I'll even attempt to convert you to anything. ;)

I think he wants to see if he can be swayed by anyone's attempts to convert him. If they don't persuade him to convert, then he may wonder why it convinced that person if both people are given the same reasons to believe.

Well in that case, C_N, have you accepted Muhammad into your life? ;) Allah will smite thou if you don't. lol jk.
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6/4/2010 1:09:14 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/4/2010 12:39:31 AM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 6/3/2010 11:36:34 PM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
Simple really, if you so please then I kindly invite you to attempt to convert me to your faith.

If you are not interested in doing so you don't have to post here.
If you are unwilling to discuss the nature of your faith you don't have to post here.
If you simply intend to post personal abuse you don't have to post here.

I doubt you're serious, so I doubt I'll even attempt to convert you to anything. ;)

I am absolutely serious. This has been my agenda from day one.
I am voting for Innomen because of his intelligence, common sense, humility and the fact that Juggle appears to listen to him. Any other Presidential style would have a large sub-section of the site up in arms. If I was President I would destroy the site though elitism, others would let it run riot. Innomen represents a middle way that works, neither draconian nor anarchic and that is the only way things can work. Plus he does it all without ego trips.
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6/4/2010 1:10:36 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/4/2010 1:09:14 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
At 6/4/2010 12:39:31 AM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 6/3/2010 11:36:34 PM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
Simple really, if you so please then I kindly invite you to attempt to convert me to your faith.

If you are not interested in doing so you don't have to post here.
If you are unwilling to discuss the nature of your faith you don't have to post here.
If you simply intend to post personal abuse you don't have to post here.

I doubt you're serious, so I doubt I'll even attempt to convert you to anything. ;)

I am absolutely serious. This has been my agenda from day one.

So you want to be religious if somebody can properly convince you?
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6/4/2010 1:13:42 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/4/2010 1:10:36 AM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 6/4/2010 1:09:14 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
At 6/4/2010 12:39:31 AM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 6/3/2010 11:36:34 PM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
Simple really, if you so please then I kindly invite you to attempt to convert me to your faith.

If you are not interested in doing so you don't have to post here.
If you are unwilling to discuss the nature of your faith you don't have to post here.
If you simply intend to post personal abuse you don't have to post here.

I doubt you're serious, so I doubt I'll even attempt to convert you to anything. ;)

I am absolutely serious. This has been my agenda from day one.

So you want to be religious if somebody can properly convince you?

Well it's been half of my agenda... but anyways...

Yes. Of course. Atheism is horrific, I don't understand why I have not killed myself.
I am voting for Innomen because of his intelligence, common sense, humility and the fact that Juggle appears to listen to him. Any other Presidential style would have a large sub-section of the site up in arms. If I was President I would destroy the site though elitism, others would let it run riot. Innomen represents a middle way that works, neither draconian nor anarchic and that is the only way things can work. Plus he does it all without ego trips.
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6/4/2010 1:14:49 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/4/2010 1:13:42 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
At 6/4/2010 1:10:36 AM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 6/4/2010 1:09:14 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
At 6/4/2010 12:39:31 AM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 6/3/2010 11:36:34 PM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
Simple really, if you so please then I kindly invite you to attempt to convert me to your faith.

If you are not interested in doing so you don't have to post here.
If you are unwilling to discuss the nature of your faith you don't have to post here.
If you simply intend to post personal abuse you don't have to post here.

I doubt you're serious, so I doubt I'll even attempt to convert you to anything. ;)

I am absolutely serious. This has been my agenda from day one.

So you want to be religious if somebody can properly convince you?

Well it's been half of my agenda... but anyways...

Yes. Of course. Atheism is horrific, I don't understand why I have not killed myself.

Hmm...well I could try to help you if I had any sense of direction as to where I was going myself.
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6/4/2010 1:19:08 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/4/2010 1:13:42 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
At 6/4/2010 1:10:36 AM, InsertNameHere wrote:
So you want to be religious if somebody can properly convince you?

Well it's been half of my agenda... but anyways...

Yes. Of course. Atheism is horrific, I don't understand why I have not killed myself.

Uh, wow. I had no idea. Though I suppose I should of seen it coming given that you wish that Atheism were false.

What is it that you find horrific about Atheism?

And what could a valid religion provide that valid Atheism can't?
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6/4/2010 1:22:42 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/4/2010 1:19:08 AM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
And what could a valid religion provide that valid Atheism can't?
It can give hope. If you are 15, suffering from cancer, have one year to live, religion can keep you happy. Atheism can hardly do it. If you feel that you will at least live happily forever in the Hereafter, you can remain smiling.
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6/4/2010 1:24:04 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/4/2010 1:22:42 AM, Mirza wrote:
At 6/4/2010 1:19:08 AM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
And what could a valid religion provide that valid Atheism can't?
It can give hope. If you are 15, suffering from cancer, have one year to live, religion can keep you happy. Atheism can hardly do it. If you feel that you will at least live happily forever in the Hereafter, you can remain smiling.

That's true actually. It's one of the things that keeps me a theist. It does provide happiness.
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6/4/2010 1:25:34 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/4/2010 1:19:08 AM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 6/4/2010 1:13:42 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
At 6/4/2010 1:10:36 AM, InsertNameHere wrote:
So you want to be religious if somebody can properly convince you?

Well it's been half of my agenda... but anyways...

Yes. Of course. Atheism is horrific, I don't understand why I have not killed myself.

Uh, wow. I had no idea. Though I suppose I should of seen it coming given that you wish that Atheism were false.

What is it that you find horrific about Atheism?

And what could a valid religion provide that valid Atheism can't?

Maybe I am coming across as melodramatic, I suppose the main issue for me is death. Actually to be honest that is the sole issue. I want immortality, yep I said it.
I am voting for Innomen because of his intelligence, common sense, humility and the fact that Juggle appears to listen to him. Any other Presidential style would have a large sub-section of the site up in arms. If I was President I would destroy the site though elitism, others would let it run riot. Innomen represents a middle way that works, neither draconian nor anarchic and that is the only way things can work. Plus he does it all without ego trips.
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6/4/2010 1:28:33 AM
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At 6/4/2010 1:25:34 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
Maybe I am coming across as melodramatic, I suppose the main issue for me is death. Actually to be honest that is the sole issue. I want immortality, yep I said it.
I want to address the question put forth.

Have you set some standards? I can see that you want to live forever, which means that a religion not offering Paradise as eternal happiness is not one for you. Those about reincarnation etc. are not about being the most true religions, so if you are believing in another religion besides them, it will not be a punishment for you. However, if you believe in them, and not a religion that speaks about Hell/Paradise, then if that religion is right, you will suffer. Do you understand what I mean?
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6/4/2010 1:28:49 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/4/2010 1:25:34 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
At 6/4/2010 1:19:08 AM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 6/4/2010 1:13:42 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
At 6/4/2010 1:10:36 AM, InsertNameHere wrote:
So you want to be religious if somebody can properly convince you?

Well it's been half of my agenda... but anyways...

Yes. Of course. Atheism is horrific, I don't understand why I have not killed myself.

Uh, wow. I had no idea. Though I suppose I should of seen it coming given that you wish that Atheism were false.

What is it that you find horrific about Atheism?

And what could a valid religion provide that valid Atheism can't?

Maybe I am coming across as melodramatic, I suppose the main issue for me is death. Actually to be honest that is the sole issue. I want immortality, yep I said it.

Immortality, eh? I'd say the closest thing you would find to that is reincarnation.
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6/4/2010 1:29:41 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/4/2010 1:22:42 AM, Mirza wrote:
At 6/4/2010 1:19:08 AM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
And what could a valid religion provide that valid Atheism can't?
It can give hope. If you are 15, suffering from cancer, have one year to live, religion can keep you happy. Atheism can hardly do it. If you feel that you will at least live happily forever in the Hereafter, you can remain smiling.

Demons, Hell, purgatory, judgment, punishment, apocalypse, war of good and evil? It seems there's so much terror involved in religion, that the small glimpse of hope is drowned out by the negative.

Plus, eternal life doesn't guarantee happiness. You can have all the greatest pleasures in heaven, but if you aren't mentally sound, you won't benefit. Also, no matter how many desires are granted, people will always want more and become bored or dissatisfied continuously with what is given. It would be the suffering here on Earth, except eternal.
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6/4/2010 1:33:10 AM
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At 6/4/2010 1:28:49 AM, InsertNameHere wrote:
Immortality, eh? I'd say the closest thing you would find to that is reincarnation.

No. Actually it's the Judeo-Christian religions that teach an eternal afterlife.

Religions that teach reincarnation such as Hinduism, Sikhism, Jainism, New Age, etc. say that the cycle of reincarnation eventually ends and you become united with Brahman (infinite consciousness).

Also, how is reincarnation "immortal" if you keep on dying over and over? lol.
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6/4/2010 1:34:29 AM
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At 6/4/2010 1:33:10 AM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 6/4/2010 1:28:49 AM, InsertNameHere wrote:
Immortality, eh? I'd say the closest thing you would find to that is reincarnation.

No. Actually it's the Judeo-Christian religions that teach an eternal afterlife.

Religions that teach reincarnation such as Hinduism, Sikhism, Jainism, New Age, etc. say that the cycle of reincarnation eventually ends and you become united with Brahman (infinite consciousness).

Also, how is reincarnation "immortal" if you keep on dying over and over? lol.

Well you do die, but you come back as somebody else(or something else?), but with the same soul. :P That could be considered immortality if your soul never dies.
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6/4/2010 1:38:09 AM
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At 6/4/2010 1:34:29 AM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 6/4/2010 1:33:10 AM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
No. Actually it's the Judeo-Christian religions that teach an eternal afterlife.

Religions that teach reincarnation such as Hinduism, Sikhism, Jainism, New Age, etc. say that the cycle of reincarnation eventually ends and you become united with Brahman (infinite consciousness).

Also, how is reincarnation "immortal" if you keep on dying over and over? lol.

Well you do die, but you come back as somebody else(or something else?), but with the same soul. :P That could be considered immortality if your soul never dies.

But you will live through countless existences suffering and fearing that you will die because you aren't aware of your immortal soul. :p

But you're right. Technically, the soul is immortal, yet still experiences death over and over.
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6/4/2010 1:38:55 AM
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At 6/4/2010 1:34:29 AM, InsertNameHere wrote:
Well you do die, but you come back as somebody else(or something else?), but with the same soul. :P That could be considered immortality if your soul never dies.
It is not you, nor is there pleasure from it. If it were your own self, it would be totally different.

And again, if you are wrong about religions teaching of resurrection and not reincarnation, you will just be on loss. These religions are not punishing, since they claim no exception of truth.
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6/4/2010 1:39:55 AM
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At 6/4/2010 1:25:34 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
Maybe I am coming across as melodramatic, I suppose the main issue for me is death. Actually to be honest that is the sole issue. I want immortality, yep I said it.

I suggest this advice:

"I do not fear death. I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it." - Mark Twain

"Matter flows from place to place and momentarily comes together to be you. Some people find that thought disturbing, I find the reality, thrilling!" - Richard Dawkins
"We must raise the standard of the Old, free, decentralized, and strictly limited Republic."
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"The worst thing that can happen to a good cause is, not to be skillfully attacked, but to be ineptly defended."
-- Frederic Bastiat
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6/4/2010 1:41:50 AM
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At 6/4/2010 1:29:41 AM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
Demons, Hell, purgatory, judgment, punishment, apocalypse, war of good and evil? It seems there's so much terror involved in religion, that the small glimpse of hope is drowned out by the negative.
Demons (evil etc), something religion (mine) speaks against. It offers protection against it.

Hell, it is something that is earned if you are not a believer. If you want to earn Paradise, then why not obey God? If God exist, and I certainly believe He does, then He is the one who judges. He gives you a choice between Hell and Paradise. If you want to go to Hell, then it is your own choice. Can you stand up and bow? Yes, whenever you want. Can you refuse to? Yes, whenever you want. You have freedom.

Day of Judgment is the day where everybody will be judged. Whoever does good will see it, and vice versa. Own choice, as before. You can do good and go to Paradise. Punishment is for disobedience to God.

And no hope is drawn by this. I see none of my hopes being lost. Why should I lose hope due to Hell, when I feel that I am doing good deeds, and know that God rewards one for doing good deeds? I fear God, but not in any way that makes me lose hope. A person who loses hope in God cannot be a Muslim.

Plus, eternal life doesn't guarantee happiness. You can have all the greatest pleasures in heaven, but if you aren't mentally sound, you won't benefit.
In Paradise, you will have the best features. You will be perfect, and feel absolutely nothing bad, ever. There is no such thing as being mentally ill there.

Also, no matter how many desires are granted, people will always want more and become bored or dissatisfied continuously with what is given.
No. Paradise is promised as being something no man has ever imagined, so beautiful and filled with unimaginable things. There is no such thing as boredom. If God grants you all the best, and removes such a thing as "boredom," which is an earthly thing, then this argument of yours is totally invalid, and the truth is that there is no boredom in Paradise. There is eternal reward.

It would be the suffering here on Earth, except eternal.
On Earth, we seek more and more, even if we have everything, because our minds are imperfect. They will not be that way in Paradise.
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6/4/2010 1:43:20 AM
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At 6/4/2010 1:39:55 AM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
"I do not fear death. I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it." - Mark Twain
Invalid argument, theologically.

"Matter flows from place to place and momentarily comes together to be you. Some people find that thought disturbing, I find the reality, thrilling!" - Richard Dawkins
If he is wrong, he will see what reality is. If I am, which I hardly am since I do not see why I am doing anything wrong from a Hindu or Christian perspective, or Sikh etc., then it will be fine.
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6/4/2010 1:47:00 AM
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At 6/4/2010 1:45:45 AM, InsertNameHere wrote:
The more I think about it, the more I think reincarnation could be real. Hmm...
Is there even a little sign of previous life? Not at all.
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6/4/2010 1:47:56 AM
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At 6/4/2010 1:45:45 AM, InsertNameHere wrote:
The more I think about it, the more I think reincarnation could be real. Hmm...

Well, bye Baha'i. Hello Sikhism, lol.
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6/4/2010 1:48:37 AM
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At 6/4/2010 1:47:56 AM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 6/4/2010 1:45:45 AM, InsertNameHere wrote:
The more I think about it, the more I think reincarnation could be real. Hmm...

Well, bye Baha'i. Hello Sikhism, lol.

Haha yea. That's what I was just thinking.
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6/4/2010 1:48:59 AM
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At 6/4/2010 1:47:56 AM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
Well, bye Baha'i. Hello Sikhism, lol.
Neither of those religions offer anything that will save you from punishment. They are universal.