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What actually is "worship"

MadCornishBiker
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12/30/2014 6:15:51 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
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1wor"ship noun \G2;wər-shəp also G2;woM5;r-\
the act of showing respect and love for a god especially by praying with other people who believe in the same god : the act of worshipping God or a god

excessive admiration for someone

Full Definition of WORSHIP

1 chiefly British : a person of importance "used as a title for various officials (as magistrates and some mayors)
2 : reverence offered a divine being or supernatural power; also : an act of expressing such reverence
3 : a form of religious practice with its creed and ritual
4 : extravagant respect or admiration for or devotion to an object of esteem <worship of the dollar>

So, Jesus tells us that his father demands exclusive worship:

"You must love Jehovah your God with your whole heart, your whole mind, and your whole being."

As part of that worship he also demands that:

"You must love your fellow man as yourself".

So, once you have studied scripture carefully what do you find?

That the worship that God requires is not a matter of empty ceremonies, he proved how useless that is wuith Israel.

No, all he wants is "reverence offered a divine being or supernatural power."

In other words all he really wants is our whole hearted recognition of who he is, what he is, and all that he has been prepared to do fir us, especially in giving us his son as the only sacrifice which would allow for the complete removal of human sin when the time comes.

He doesn"t want ceremonies and parades, he simply wants us to respect him and all he has done and will yet do for us, and to fit in with his plan..

Is that really so hard?

Satan wants you to think it is.
DanneJeRusse
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12/30/2014 7:28:40 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/30/2014 6:15:51 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:

... demands exclusive worship:

...all he really wants is our whole hearted recognition of who he is, what he is...

He simply wants us to respect him...

"The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully." Richard Dawkins.
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
MadCornishBiker
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12/30/2014 8:15:52 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/30/2014 7:28:40 AM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 12/30/2014 6:15:51 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:

... demands exclusive worship:

...all he really wants is our whole hearted recognition of who he is, what he is...

He simply wants us to respect him...


"The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully." Richard Dawkins.

The God of the old testament is jealous , yes, but only for the respect that is rightfully his.

He is far from petty, or he would not have put up with ISrael as long as he did.

He has shwon many examples of forgiveness.

The Ninehvites forgivne when they repented.

The Gibeonites forgiven when they allied themselves with Israel, and even protected from those who became their enemies, by performing teh greatest miracle he ever performed.

David, for his sin with Bathesheba and her husband.

Manasseh for his horrendous acts in worship to Molech.

God, the God not just of the OT but of Christ and teh Apostles, forgives readily if we opnly just give him an excuse to.

So willing to forgive that he put his own son at risk by sending him to earth to make full forgiveness possible.

The stupid thing about the lies you come out with above is that they are so easy to disprove. The entire record of scripture, on whihc yu base them, proves exactly the opposite to what you claim.

So are you going to give up on your lies and turn to truth instead?

Why do I sincerely doubt that?

Possibly because of the moral courage it would take to do so. Admitting you are wrong, espiecially when as seriously wrong as you are, is never easy. So man up and face it.
MadCornishBiker
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12/31/2014 1:17:57 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/30/2014 7:28:40 AM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 12/30/2014 6:15:51 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:

... demands exclusive worship:

...all he really wants is our whole hearted recognition of who he is, what he is...

He simply wants us to respect him...


"The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully." Richard Dawkins.

All of which, apart from his jealousy for teh respect that is rightly his, is true, in fact far from it.

The most powerful examples in the Hebrew SCriptures show God to be forgiving whenever opportunity was given him to be forgiving, and loyal to thosew who are loyal to him.

If God were unjkust he would not be allowing Saqtan a fair chance to prove his case with minimal intereference, he would have simply wiped him out. But, no, Satan had raised a question which had, by all that justice stands for, to be answered, fully and reasonably.

We are almost at the limit of teh time God set for that to be the case now.

In fact his treatment of Satan is an extremely powerful argument for4 his sinse of Justice.

No Richard Dawkins is simply giving his bigoted opinion that there cannot possibly be an entity considerably mroe intelligent than he is. And in fact making himself the biggest fool going for doing so.
DanneJeRusse
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12/31/2014 1:31:41 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/30/2014 8:15:52 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 12/30/2014 7:28:40 AM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 12/30/2014 6:15:51 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:

... demands exclusive worship:

...all he really wants is our whole hearted recognition of who he is, what he is...

He simply wants us to respect him...


"The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully." Richard Dawkins.

The God of the old testament is jealous , yes, but only for the respect that is rightfully his.

Jealousy does not deserve respect.

He is far from petty, or he would not have put up with ISrael as long as he did.

He has shwon many examples of forgiveness.

The Ninehvites forgivne when they repented.

The Gibeonites forgiven when they allied themselves with Israel, and even protected from those who became their enemies, by performing teh greatest miracle he ever performed.

David, for his sin with Bathesheba and her husband.

Manasseh for his horrendous acts in worship to Molech.

God, the God not just of the OT but of Christ and teh Apostles, forgives readily if we opnly just give him an excuse to.

So willing to forgive that he put his own son at risk by sending him to earth to make full forgiveness possible.

The stupid thing about the lies you come out with above is that they are so easy to disprove.

You didn't disprove anything, you simply and conveniently left out everything that shows your God has behaved exactly as described above.
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
DanneJeRusse
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12/31/2014 1:34:41 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 12/31/2014 1:17:57 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:

If God were unjkust he would not be allowing Saqtan a fair chance to prove his case with minimal intereference, he would have simply wiped him out. But, no, Satan had raised a question which had, by all that justice stands for, to be answered, fully and reasonably.

We are almost at the limit of teh time God set for that to be the case now.

In fact his treatment of Satan is an extremely powerful argument for4 his sinse of Justice.

I don't see how invoking the boogeyman has anything to do with your God's barbaric behavior.
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth