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6/10/2010 4:00:33 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/10/2010 3:55:09 AM, DATCMOTO wrote:
At 6/9/2010 8:19:29 AM, mattrodstrom wrote:
I have tried to engage Denote on why he believes in God, but he has objected that the forum in which I did so was inappropriate.

Since this reasonable objection is easily fixed... I figured I'd do so.

And now, Denote, the floor is yours.

Ask me.
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6/10/2010 7:51:12 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/10/2010 7:37:20 PM, Denote wrote:
Any heads up on who's personalized thread™ you'll be sponsoring tomorrow? The anticipation is killing me.

mmm....

If anybody else specifically asks for me to question them (as did DATCMOTO)...

Or (as in your case) evades requests to explain the reasoning for the positions they put forward...

Then that person.
"He who does not know how to put his will into things at least puts a meaning into them: that is, he believes there is a will in them already."

Metaphysics:
"The science.. which deals with the fundamental errors of mankind - but as if they were the fundamental truths."
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6/11/2010 1:03:42 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
If anybody else specifically asks for me to question them (as did DATCMOTO)...

He simply told you, "ask me."
Hence why I'm making fun of your apparent trend of making personalized threads without specific request.

Or (as in your case) evades requests to explain the reasoning for the positions they put forward...

You asked me what reason I had for believing in God. The position I was putting forward at the time had nothing to do with personal convictions about the existence of God, so my reasoning would have nothing to do with that.

So, "explain the reasoning for the positions they put forward... "
and, "explain the reasoning for your belief in God..."
aren't synonymous as you'd like to think.
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6/11/2010 2:06:45 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/11/2010 1:03:42 PM, Denote wrote:
If anybody else specifically asks for me to question them (as did DATCMOTO)...

He simply told you, "ask me."
Hence why I'm making fun of your apparent trend of making personalized threads without specific request.

IF DATCMOTO didn't want AT LEAST as big of a spotlight as you were, so graciously, afforded...
He would have just answered the question that was directed to you without asking for my Re-asking it towards him.
"He who does not know how to put his will into things at least puts a meaning into them: that is, he believes there is a will in them already."

Metaphysics:
"The science.. which deals with the fundamental errors of mankind - but as if they were the fundamental truths."
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6/11/2010 2:48:41 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
IF DATCMOTO didn't want AT LEAST as big of a spotlight as you were, so graciously, afforded...
He would have just answered the question that was directed to you without asking for my Re-asking it towards him.

"He would have just answered the question that was directed to you"
Maybe not. Doing so might suggest that he was unaware of the target of that thread.

This does not necessarily mean that he wanted his own thread. If anything, it suggests that he didn't wish to barge into a thread targeted at Denote without first acknowledging that he was not Denote.

That's not entirely impossible.
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6/11/2010 2:57:41 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/11/2010 2:48:41 PM, Denote wrote:
IF DATCMOTO didn't want AT LEAST as big of a spotlight as you were, so graciously, afforded...
He would have just answered the question that was directed to you without asking for my Re-asking it towards him.

"He would have just answered the question that was directed to you"
Maybe not. Doing so might suggest that he was unaware of the target of that thread.


This does not necessarily mean that he wanted his own thread. If anything, it suggests that he didn't wish to barge into a thread targeted at Denote without first acknowledging that he was not Denote.

That's not entirely impossible.

DATCMOTO isn't an evading whiner like some... as far as I could tell his "ASK ME" was asking for me to "ASK HIM" as I asked you.
"He who does not know how to put his will into things at least puts a meaning into them: that is, he believes there is a will in them already."

Metaphysics:
"The science.. which deals with the fundamental errors of mankind - but as if they were the fundamental truths."
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6/11/2010 2:58:48 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/11/2010 2:57:41 PM, mattrodstrom wrote:
At 6/11/2010 2:48:41 PM, Denote wrote:
IF DATCMOTO didn't want AT LEAST as big of a spotlight as you were, so graciously, afforded...
He would have just answered the question that was directed to you without asking for my Re-asking it towards him.

"He would have just answered the question that was directed to you"
Maybe not. Doing so might suggest that he was unaware of the target of that thread.


This does not necessarily mean that he wanted his own thread. If anything, it suggests that he didn't wish to barge into a thread targeted at Denote without first acknowledging that he was not Denote.

That's not entirely impossible.

DATCMOTO isn't an evading....

well... he doesn't evade but he also just usually spits out scripture... and doesn't really offer explanations beyond JESUS IS LORD.... AND HE BRINGS A SWORD!!!
"He who does not know how to put his will into things at least puts a meaning into them: that is, he believes there is a will in them already."

Metaphysics:
"The science.. which deals with the fundamental errors of mankind - but as if they were the fundamental truths."
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6/11/2010 2:59:20 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/11/2010 2:58:48 PM, mattrodstrom wrote:
At 6/11/2010 2:57:41 PM, mattrodstrom wrote:
At 6/11/2010 2:48:41 PM, Denote wrote:
IF DATCMOTO didn't want AT LEAST as big of a spotlight as you were, so graciously, afforded...
He would have just answered the question that was directed to you without asking for my Re-asking it towards him.

"He would have just answered the question that was directed to you"
Maybe not. Doing so might suggest that he was unaware of the target of that thread.


This does not necessarily mean that he wanted his own thread. If anything, it suggests that he didn't wish to barge into a thread targeted at Denote without first acknowledging that he was not Denote.

That's not entirely impossible.

DATCMOTO isn't an evading....

well... he doesn't evade

his evasions are of a different kind.
"He who does not know how to put his will into things at least puts a meaning into them: that is, he believes there is a will in them already."

Metaphysics:
"The science.. which deals with the fundamental errors of mankind - but as if they were the fundamental truths."
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6/11/2010 3:03:06 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/11/2010 3:01:04 PM, Denote wrote:
Couldn't think of a better answer than the above insults?

I gave my reason.. and stuck to it.

let's hear yours for why you believe in god.
"He who does not know how to put his will into things at least puts a meaning into them: that is, he believes there is a will in them already."

Metaphysics:
"The science.. which deals with the fundamental errors of mankind - but as if they were the fundamental truths."
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6/11/2010 3:09:44 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Lol, are you stalking denote, matt?

Is this gonna be another C_N and Datcmoto?
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6/11/2010 3:15:24 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/11/2010 3:09:44 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
Lol, are you stalking denote, matt?

It seems he's now stalking me... But also... I don't mind letting off steam on him :P

Is this gonna be another C_N and Datcmoto?
you know it.
"He who does not know how to put his will into things at least puts a meaning into them: that is, he believes there is a will in them already."

Metaphysics:
"The science.. which deals with the fundamental errors of mankind - but as if they were the fundamental truths."
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6/11/2010 3:24:32 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/11/2010 3:22:27 PM, Denote wrote:
I just find you and your silly assumptions amusing.

Right back atcha! (though I answered your objections)

I could repeat which assumption I'm referring to if you'd like.
"He who does not know how to put his will into things at least puts a meaning into them: that is, he believes there is a will in them already."

Metaphysics:
"The science.. which deals with the fundamental errors of mankind - but as if they were the fundamental truths."
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6/11/2010 3:35:35 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Right back atcha! (though I answered your objections)

Okay, let's take a look at your answers.

DATCMOTO isn't an evading whiner like some... as far as I could tell his "ASK ME" was asking for me to "ASK HIM" as I asked you.

The fact that you don't believe him to be evasive is irrelevant. Even if we both agree that he isn't evasive, answering the question in the Denote thread would not be evasive. So his non-evasive behavior does not mean that he originally wanted you to make an entirely new thread.

Might want to give up on that one, buddy.

I could repeat which assumption I'm referring to if you'd like.

Shoot.

And now I do have some work to complete, so please don't accuse me of being evasive if I don't respond immediately.
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6/11/2010 10:35:48 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
This was my answer

At 6/11/2010 2:06:45 PM, mattrodstrom wrote:
IF DATCMOTO didn't want AT LEAST as big of a spotlight as you were, so graciously, afforded...
He would have just answered the question that was directed to you without asking for my Re-asking it towards him.
"He who does not know how to put his will into things at least puts a meaning into them: that is, he believes there is a will in them already."

Metaphysics:
"The science.. which deals with the fundamental errors of mankind - but as if they were the fundamental truths."
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6/11/2010 10:36:42 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/11/2010 3:35:35 PM, Denote wrote:
Right back atcha! (though I answered your objections)

Okay, let's take a look at your answers.

DATCMOTO isn't an evading whiner like some... as far as I could tell his "ASK ME" was asking for me to "ASK HIM" as I asked you.

The fact that you don't believe him to be evasive is irrelevant. Even if we both agree that he isn't evasive, answering the question in the Denote thread would not be evasive. So his non-evasive behavior does not mean that he originally wanted you to make an entirely new thread.

Might want to give up on that one, buddy.


I could repeat which assumption I'm referring to if you'd like.

Shoot.

And now I do have some work to complete, so please don't accuse me of being evasive if I don't respond immediately.

For what reasons do you believe in god?
"He who does not know how to put his will into things at least puts a meaning into them: that is, he believes there is a will in them already."

Metaphysics:
"The science.. which deals with the fundamental errors of mankind - but as if they were the fundamental truths."
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6/11/2010 11:40:21 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/11/2010 1:03:42 PM, Denote wrote:
If anybody else specifically asks for me to question them (as did DATCMOTO)...

He simply told you, "ask me."
Hence why I'm making fun of your apparent trend of making personalized threads without specific request.

Or (as in your case) evades requests to explain the reasoning for the positions they put forward...

You asked me what reason I had for believing in God. The position I was putting forward at the time had nothing to do with personal convictions about the existence of God, so my reasoning would have nothing to do with that.

So, "explain the reasoning for the positions they put forward... "
and, "explain the reasoning for your belief in God..."
aren't synonymous as you'd like to think.

Why are you spamming this thread? We know you are not interested in a discussion of religion, well done, good for you, have a cookie, please leave.
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6/12/2010 2:44:37 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/10/2010 4:00:33 PM, mattrodstrom wrote:
At 6/10/2010 3:55:09 AM, DATCMOTO wrote:
At 6/9/2010 8:19:29 AM, mattrodstrom wrote:
I have tried to engage Denote on why he believes in God, but he has objected that the forum in which I did so was inappropriate.

Since this reasonable objection is easily fixed... I figured I'd do so.

And now, Denote, the floor is yours.

Ask me.

Thanks..

BECAUSE He spoke to me personally and continues to do so.

BECAUSE His instructions, as revealed through Jesus Christ in the Gospels, ACTUALLY work on a day by day, practical level.

BECAUSE I've tried therapy, meditation, philosophy, drinks/drugs, sex etc etc and without Him it's ALL EMPTY.

Jesus said " You shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free. "

This is EXACTLY my experience of Christianity.
The Cross.. the Cross.
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6/12/2010 9:03:14 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/12/2010 2:44:37 AM, DATCMOTO wrote:
At 6/10/2010 4:00:33 PM, mattrodstrom wrote:
At 6/10/2010 3:55:09 AM, DATCMOTO wrote:
At 6/9/2010 8:19:29 AM, mattrodstrom wrote:
I have tried to engage Denote on why he believes in God, but he has objected that the forum in which I did so was inappropriate.

Since this reasonable objection is easily fixed... I figured I'd do so.

And now, Denote, the floor is yours.

Ask me.

Thanks..

BECAUSE He spoke to me personally and continues to do so.

Good reason!
you do mean like an actual voice/actual "talking".... right??

You're NOT just equivocating on "talking" and really mean that in reading the stories of Jesus you were deeply affected/ had a spiritual awakening...

BECAUSE His instructions, as revealed through Jesus Christ in the Gospels, ACTUALLY work on a day by day, practical level.

Eh... I'd say if they didn't work there'd be a problem... BUT the fact that they DO work wouldn't give much credence to J-man being GOD.

BECAUSE I've tried therapy, meditation, philosophy, drinks/drugs, sex etc etc and without Him it's ALL EMPTY.

So... without Jesus You're a Nihilist.

& Jesus' teachings gave you meaning.... so Jesus' teachings must be true???

No....
doesn't follow... I think the reasons for your belief that Jesus is God (and that God exists at all) all hinge on the first one.

Jesus said " You shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free. "

This is EXACTLY my experience of Christianity.

Nietzsche has a quite interesting understanding of the teachings of Jesus in his book The Antichrist... (he loved Jesus... but he thought Paul, and others, heavily cloaked Jesus' teachings... and made it more palatable for Jews)

(despite the title... your hands won't burn if you pick it up)
"He who does not know how to put his will into things at least puts a meaning into them: that is, he believes there is a will in them already."

Metaphysics:
"The science.. which deals with the fundamental errors of mankind - but as if they were the fundamental truths."
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6/12/2010 9:12:16 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/12/2010 9:03:14 AM, mattrodstrom wrote:
but he thought Paul, and others, heavily cloaked Jesus' teachings... and made it more palatable for Jews

by maintaining the hierarchy between God and Man...

Jesus' teachings broke down the hierarchy between man and man...

BUT Nietzsche thought they also were meant to break down the wall between God and Man.... in that we're all sons of God... as was Jesus.
"He who does not know how to put his will into things at least puts a meaning into them: that is, he believes there is a will in them already."

Metaphysics:
"The science.. which deals with the fundamental errors of mankind - but as if they were the fundamental truths."
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6/12/2010 9:30:42 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/12/2010 2:44:37 AM, DATCMOTO wrote:
At 6/10/2010 4:00:33 PM, mattrodstrom wrote:
At 6/10/2010 3:55:09 AM, DATCMOTO wrote:
At 6/9/2010 8:19:29 AM, mattrodstrom wrote:
I have tried to engage Denote on why he believes in God, but he has objected that the forum in which I did so was inappropriate.

Since this reasonable objection is easily fixed... I figured I'd do so.

And now, Denote, the floor is yours.

Ask me.

Thanks..

BECAUSE He spoke to me personally and continues to do so.

BECAUSE His instructions, as revealed through Jesus Christ in the Gospels, ACTUALLY work on a day by day, practical level.

BECAUSE I've tried therapy, meditation, philosophy, drinks/drugs, sex etc etc and without Him it's ALL EMPTY.

Jesus said " You shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free. "

This is EXACTLY my experience of Christianity.

told you.
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6/12/2010 2:28:45 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
@mattrodstrom

Are you going to tell me what assumption I made?

@Cerebral_Narcissist

Unfortunately that's not within your jurisdiction, pal.
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6/14/2010 2:55:32 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/12/2010 9:03:14 AM, mattrodstrom wrote:
At 6/12/2010 2:44:37 AM, DATCMOTO wrote:
At 6/10/2010 4:00:33 PM, mattrodstrom wrote:
At 6/10/2010 3:55:09 AM, DATCMOTO wrote:
At 6/9/2010 8:19:29 AM, mattrodstrom wrote:
I have tried to engage Denote on why he believes in God, but he has objected that the forum in which I did so was inappropriate.

Since this reasonable objection is easily fixed... I figured I'd do so.

And now, Denote, the floor is yours.

Ask me.

Thanks..

BECAUSE He spoke to me personally and continues to do so.

Good reason!
you do mean like an actual voice/actual "talking".... right??

Sure, but a voice of 'pure meaning' rather that auditory.

You're NOT just equivocating on "talking" and really mean that in reading the stories of Jesus you were deeply affected/ had a spiritual awakening...

No.

BECAUSE His instructions, as revealed through Jesus Christ in the Gospels, ACTUALLY work on a day by day, practical level.

Eh... I'd say if they didn't work there'd be a problem... BUT the fact that they DO work wouldn't give much credence to J-man being GOD.

They set you free, make you see.

BECAUSE I've tried therapy, meditation, philosophy, drinks/drugs, sex etc etc and without Him it's ALL EMPTY.

So... without Jesus You're a Nihilist.

Pretty much.. the most important thing in my life before Christ was Disco music!

& Jesus' teachings gave you meaning.... so Jesus' teachings must be true???

Gave me New Life! to live without fear and doubt again is truly great.

No....
doesn't follow... I think the reasons for your belief that Jesus is God (and that God exists at all) all hinge on the first one.

Jesus said " You shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free. "

This is EXACTLY my experience of Christianity.

Nietzsche has a quite interesting understanding of the teachings of Jesus in his book The Antichrist... (he loved Jesus... but he thought Paul, and others, heavily cloaked Jesus' teachings... and made it more palatable for Jews)

(despite the title... your hands won't burn if you pick it up)

Nietzsche was the son of a preacher, his lifes work can be seen as one long act of revenge.
The Cross.. the Cross.
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6/14/2010 8:10:50 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/12/2010 2:28:45 PM, Denote wrote:
@mattrodstrom

Are you going to tell me what assumption I made?

your assumption of God's existence.
"He who does not know how to put his will into things at least puts a meaning into them: that is, he believes there is a will in them already."

Metaphysics:
"The science.. which deals with the fundamental errors of mankind - but as if they were the fundamental truths."
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6/14/2010 8:16:29 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/14/2010 2:55:32 AM, DATCMOTO wrote:
Nietzsche was the son of a preacher,

A whole family of preachers...

his lifes work can be seen as one long act of revenge.

He thought his work was the Necessary result of coming from preachers... that the understanding of their beliefs built upon each other until him.

(he really doesn't like the idea of vengeance)

...
Also... did you not care for others before Jesus???
"He who does not know how to put his will into things at least puts a meaning into them: that is, he believes there is a will in them already."

Metaphysics:
"The science.. which deals with the fundamental errors of mankind - but as if they were the fundamental truths."
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6/14/2010 10:03:02 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
For the love of god!

You're debating over how much of a troll a guy is.

The idiot wants attention, nothing more, he thrives on it, and you're throwing bucketfulls right in his face.
What fresh dickery is the internet up to today?
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6/15/2010 2:32:48 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/14/2010 8:16:29 AM, mattrodstrom wrote:
At 6/14/2010 2:55:32 AM, DATCMOTO wrote:
Nietzsche was the son of a preacher,

A whole family of preachers...

his lifes work can be seen as one long act of revenge.

He thought his work was the Necessary result of coming from preachers... that the understanding of their beliefs built upon each other until him.

(he really doesn't like the idea of vengeance)

I said 'can be seen as'.. I can see it.
...
Also... did you not care for others before Jesus???

Sure, in a selfish kinda way; we would all betray our love-ones to save ourselves, (rat-scene 1984 anyone?) it is only through the spirit of Jesus (or severe military training!) that we can truly sacrifice ourselves.
The Cross.. the Cross.