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LifeMeansGodIsGood
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1/3/2015 8:59:23 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
The Watch Tower Society claims it uses the Bible as it's "supreme authority". Of course they have their own exclusive version, the so-called "New World Translation". All references in the following questions will be from the NWT.

Where in the Bible does anyone count their time in preaching on a slip of paper and are assigned record cards of activity, determining this as a "gauge to their spirituality"? Where in the Bible are Pioneers, Auxiliary Pioneers, Bethelites, and Kingdom Halls? Where in the Bible does it say that anyone born after 1935 can not go to heaven, that Christians are required to attend five meetings a week, that men are prohibited from wearing beards, and that after a prophecy fails, if the prophet admits he made a mistake, he is no longer a false prophet (see Deut 18:20-22)? Where does the Bible say that a person must belong to an organization that will start in the late 19th century and be headquartered in Brooklyn, NY, in order to survive Armageddon?
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1/3/2015 9:00:59 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
The WTS teaches that Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob will not reside with Christ in his heavenly kingdom. If this is so, then how do you explain Mt 8:11 in which Jesus says, "But I tell you that many from eastern parts and western parts will come and recline at the table WITH Abraham and Isaac and Jacob IN the kingdom of the heavens"?
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1/3/2015 9:01:50 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
. If there is no conscious awareness after death, how could the "spirits in prison", who lived during "Noah"s days", be preached to by Christ after His death (1Pet 3:18-20) and how could the good news be "declared also to the dead" (1 Pet 4:5-6)? If the "spirits in prison" of 1Pet 3:19 refers to demonic angels, instead of the just people who died before the resurrection of Christ, then why would Jesus "preach" to demonic angels?
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1/3/2015 9:03:55 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
4. Is it true that the WTS's prophecy that Armageddon will come before "the end of the generation of 1914" (You Can Live Forever In Paradise On Earth, pg 154), is no longer taught as "the Truth"? If so, then does this mean that this teaching of the WTS, which they have taught as "the Truth" for decades, was really a false teaching? Since the WTS claims that they are the "one channel that the Lord is using during the last days of this system of things" (Jehovah's Witnesses-Proclaimers of God's Kingdom, pg 626) and that the governing body is "the mouthpiece of Jehovah God", does this mean that God changed His mind about this teaching and the definition of "generation"? Is it possible that God could change His mind? Has the WTS ever changed their mind before about a teaching that they once taught as "the Truth"? The WTS has taught that Armageddon was going to occur in: 1914 - The Time Is At Hand, 1888 (1911 ed.), pg 101; Zion 's Watchtower, 1/15/1892, pg22
1915 - The Time Is At Hand, 1915 edition, pg. 99
1918 - The Finished Mystery, 1917, pg 62, 485
1925 - Millions Now Living Will Never Die, 1920, pg 89-90, Watchtower, 7/15/24, pg 211
1931 - Vindication, Book 1, pg. 147
WWII - Watchtower, 9/15/41, pg 288
1975 - Kingdom Ministry, 6/69, pg 3; AWAKE!, 10/8/68, etc.
"Before the end of the generation of 1914" - You Can Live Forever In Paradise On Earth, pg 154
In addition, the WTS claims that it is the "mouthpiece for Jehovah", "God"s one and only channel of communication to the world", etc., clearly claiming to speak for God. Since Deut 18:20-22 says that a false prophet is anyone who claims to speak for God and makes a prophecy that does not come true, doesn"t this make the WTS a modern day false prophet according to scripture? Can a true prophet make even ONE false prophecy? What does scripture say about false prophets? See Mt 7:15, 24:11, Mk 13:22, 2Pet 2:1, 1Jn 4:1, Rev 16:13-14, 19:20, 20:10. Why would anyone willingly follow an organization that has repeatedly proven itself to be a false prophet, according to biblical standards? Since God does not tell lies or change his mind (Num 23:19, Ps 89:34, Heb 6:18), and since it is clear that the WTS could not have possibly been speaking for God when they made these false prophecies, then how do you know that the WTS is speaking for God now? See Zeph 3:13 and Isa 28:15.
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1/3/2015 9:06:13 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
If the spirit of a man has no existence apart from the body, why does Stephen just before his death in Acts 7:59, pray to Jesus to "receive my spirit"? How could Jesus, who was in heaven, receive Stephen's spirit if a man's spirit ceases to exist when the body dies and if no one could enter heaven until the year 1914? Similarly, if the soul ceases to exist after the death of the body, why does Paul say that he would rather be "absent from the body" so he could go make his "home with the Lord" (2Cor 5:8), and why would he say that he would rather depart from this life so that he could go be with Christ (Phil 1:23)? How could Paul be "with Christ" and make his "home with the Lord" if no one could enter heaven until 1914?
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1/3/2015 9:07:40 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/3/2015 9:01:50 AM, LifeMeansGodIsGood wrote:
. If there is no conscious awareness after death, how could the "spirits in prison", who lived during "Noah"s days", be preached to by Christ after His death (1Pet 3:18-20) and how could the good news be "declared also to the dead" (1 Pet 4:5-6)? If the "spirits in prison" of 1Pet 3:19 refers to demonic angels, instead of the just people who died before the resurrection of Christ, then why would Jesus "preach" to demonic angels?

So yet another translation in which the scholars of the chosen denomination agree with themselves about how right they are about how something that cannot be proven must be true.

No, really. Shocked. Eff'ing shocked.
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1/3/2015 9:07:51 AM
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On page 7 of the WTS booklet Should You Believe in the Trinity?, unreferenced quotes from Justin Martyr, Irenaeus, Clement of Alexandria, Tertullian, Hippolytus, and Origen are made. Why are these quotes unreferenced? Also on page 7 of this same booklet, the statement is made, "Thus, the testimony of the Bible and of history makes it clear that the Trinity was unknown throughout Biblical times and for SEVERAL CENTURIES thereafter." Based on the quotes below, how can the Watchtower Society make these claims?
Justin Martyr (110-165 AD): "... nor to know that the Father of the universe has a Son; who also, being the first-begotten Word of God, is even God." - First Apology of Justin, Ch LXIII; "... but now you will permit me first to recount the prophecies, which I wish to do in order to prove that Christ is called both God and the Lord of hosts ..." - Dialogue with Trypho, Ch XXXVI; "Therefore these words testify explicitly that He is witnessed to by Him who established these things, as deserving to be worshipped, as God and as Christ." - Ibid, Ch LXIII.
Irenaeus (120-202 AD): "... and to raise up anew all flesh of the whole human race, in order that to Christ Jesus, our Lord, and God, and Saviour, and King ..." - Against Heresies, Bk 1, Ch 10; "But that He is in His own right , beyond all men who ever lived, God, and Lord, and King Eternal, and the Incarnate Word, proclaimed by all the prophets and apostles, and by the Spirit Himself, may be seen by all who have attained to even a small portion of the truth." - Against Heresies, Bk 3, Ch 19.
Clement of Alexandria (153-217 AD): "For 'before the morning star it was;' and 'in the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.'" and "This Word, then, the Christ, the cause of both our being at first (for He was in God) and of our well being, this very Word has now appeared as man, He alone being both, both God and man ..." and "The Word, who in the beginning bestowed on us life as Creator when He formed us, taught us to live well when He appeared as our Teacher; that as God He might afterwards conduct us to the life which never ends." - Exhortation to the Heathen, Ch 1.
Tertullian (145-220 AD): "Him we believe to have been sent by the Father into the virgin, and to have been born of her - being both Man and God, the Son of Man and the Son of God, and to have been called by the name of Jesus Christ." and "... while the mystery of the dispensation is still guarded, which distributes the Unity into a Trinity, placing them in their order the three Persons - the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost ..." - Against Praxeas, Ch 2; "With these did He then speak, in the Unity of the Trinity, as with His ministers and witnesses." and "...I mean the Word of God, 'through whom all things were made, and without whom nothing was made.' Now if He too is God, according to John (who says) 'The Word was God'..." - Against Praxeas, Ch 12.
Hippolytus (170-236 AD): "For he speaks to this effect: 'In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.'" and "...'Go ye and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.' And by this He showed, that whosoever omitted any one of these, failed in glorifying God perfectly. For it is through this Trinity that the Father is glorified. For the Father willed, the Son did, the Spirit manifested. The whole Scriptures, then, proclaim this truth." - Against the Heresy of One Noetus, Ch 14; "For Christ is the God above all, and He has arranged to wash away sin from human beings." - The Refutation of All Heresies, Bk 10, Ch 30.
Origen (185-254 AD): "From all which we learn that the person of the Holy Spirit was of such authority and dignity, that saving baptism was not complete except by the authority of the most excellent Trinity of them all ..." - Origen de Principiis, 1.3.2; "For it is one and the same thing to have a share in the Holy Spirit, which is (the Spirit) of the Father and the Son, since the nature of the Trinity is one and incorporeal." - Origen de Principiis, 4.1.32
To read the entire text containing the above quotes online, go to Early Church Fathers After reading pg 7 of Should You Believe In The Trinity? and then reading the quotes above, do you feel that the WTS was in any way deceptive by using "quotes" from these early Christian writers to support their teachings? If yes, then why does the WTS need to engage in deception if it teaches "the Truth"? See Zeph 3:13 and Isa 28:15.
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1/3/2015 9:13:29 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
The Bible says in Zeph 1:18, ""but by the fire of his zeal THE WHOLE EARTH WILL BE DEVOURED, because he will make an EXTERMINATION, indeed a terrible one, of ALL the inhabitants of the earth." If the WTS"s teaching that the present earth will never be destroyed or depopulated is correct, then why does the Bible say that the "whole earth" will be "devoured", and "all" the inhabitants of the earth will be exterminated? What do the words "devoured" and "all" mean to you? How can a great crowd of people continue to live on forever in paradise on earth after Armageddon if "ALL the inhabitants of the earth" will be exterminated?
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1/3/2015 9:14:31 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/3/2015 9:07:40 AM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 1/3/2015 9:01:50 AM, LifeMeansGodIsGood wrote:
. If there is no conscious awareness after death, how could the "spirits in prison", who lived during "Noah"s days", be preached to by Christ after His death (1Pet 3:18-20) and how could the good news be "declared also to the dead" (1 Pet 4:5-6)? If the "spirits in prison" of 1Pet 3:19 refers to demonic angels, instead of the just people who died before the resurrection of Christ, then why would Jesus "preach" to demonic angels?

So yet another translation in which the scholars of the chosen denomination agree with themselves about how right they are about how something that cannot be proven must be true.

No, really. Shocked. Eff'ing shocked.

When did you become a Jehovah's Witness? These questions are not for you if you are not a JW, so why don't you butt out?
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1/3/2015 9:16:21 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/3/2015 9:07:40 AM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 1/3/2015 9:01:50 AM, LifeMeansGodIsGood wrote:
. If there is no conscious awareness after death, how could the "spirits in prison", who lived during "Noah"s days", be preached to by Christ after His death (1Pet 3:18-20) and how could the good news be "declared also to the dead" (1 Pet 4:5-6)? If the "spirits in prison" of 1Pet 3:19 refers to demonic angels, instead of the just people who died before the resurrection of Christ, then why would Jesus "preach" to demonic angels?

So yet another translation in which the scholars of the chosen denomination agree with themselves about how right they are about how something that cannot be proven must be true.

No, really. Shocked. Eff'ing shocked.

Swearing is the attempt of a weak mind to express itself forcefully. Do you have to act like the southbound end of a northbound cow when you try to say something? Why don't you butt out of here, These questions are not for you, and your foul mouth stinks.
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1/3/2015 9:17:13 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/3/2015 9:14:31 AM, LifeMeansGodIsGood wrote:
At 1/3/2015 9:07:40 AM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 1/3/2015 9:01:50 AM, LifeMeansGodIsGood wrote:
. If there is no conscious awareness after death, how could the "spirits in prison", who lived during "Noah"s days", be preached to by Christ after His death (1Pet 3:18-20) and how could the good news be "declared also to the dead" (1 Pet 4:5-6)? If the "spirits in prison" of 1Pet 3:19 refers to demonic angels, instead of the just people who died before the resurrection of Christ, then why would Jesus "preach" to demonic angels?

So yet another translation in which the scholars of the chosen denomination agree with themselves about how right they are about how something that cannot be proven must be true.

No, really. Shocked. Eff'ing shocked.

When did you become a Jehovah's Witness? These questions are not for you if you are not a JW, so why don't you butt out?

You mean aside from the fact I hosted groups of JW's at my residence for a few months to explore EXACTLY what you are asking? And getting a worse answer than my reply?

The answer is simple: whatever you are going to say as to why YOUR version of the Bible is true, they are going to say the same.

Happy now, pun'kin?
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1/3/2015 9:33:25 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/3/2015 9:17:13 AM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 1/3/2015 9:14:31 AM, LifeMeansGodIsGood wrote:
At 1/3/2015 9:07:40 AM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 1/3/2015 9:01:50 AM, LifeMeansGodIsGood wrote:
. If there is no conscious awareness after death, how could the "spirits in prison", who lived during "Noah"s days", be preached to by Christ after His death (1Pet 3:18-20) and how could the good news be "declared also to the dead" (1 Pet 4:5-6)? If the "spirits in prison" of 1Pet 3:19 refers to demonic angels, instead of the just people who died before the resurrection of Christ, then why would Jesus "preach" to demonic angels?

So yet another translation in which the scholars of the chosen denomination agree with themselves about how right they are about how something that cannot be proven must be true.

No, really. Shocked. Eff'ing shocked.

When did you become a Jehovah's Witness? These questions are not for you if you are not a JW, so why don't you butt out?


You mean aside from the fact I hosted groups of JW's at my residence for a few months to explore EXACTLY what you are asking? And getting a worse answer than my reply?

The answer is simple: whatever you are going to say as to why YOUR version of the Bible is true, they are going to say the same.

Happy now, pun'kin?

You are harassing me, you are trying to provoke me to fight. If you are not a Jehovah's Witness, these questions are not for you. If you wan't to discuss your own topic, I suggest you start your own forum.
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1/3/2015 10:03:37 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/3/2015 9:33:25 AM, LifeMeansGodIsGood wrote:
At 1/3/2015 9:17:13 AM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 1/3/2015 9:14:31 AM, LifeMeansGodIsGood wrote:
At 1/3/2015 9:07:40 AM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 1/3/2015 9:01:50 AM, LifeMeansGodIsGood wrote:
. If there is no conscious awareness after death, how could the "spirits in prison", who lived during "Noah"s days", be preached to by Christ after His death (1Pet 3:18-20) and how could the good news be "declared also to the dead" (1 Pet 4:5-6)? If the "spirits in prison" of 1Pet 3:19 refers to demonic angels, instead of the just people who died before the resurrection of Christ, then why would Jesus "preach" to demonic angels?

So yet another translation in which the scholars of the chosen denomination agree with themselves about how right they are about how something that cannot be proven must be true.

No, really. Shocked. Eff'ing shocked.

When did you become a Jehovah's Witness? These questions are not for you if you are not a JW, so why don't you butt out?


You mean aside from the fact I hosted groups of JW's at my residence for a few months to explore EXACTLY what you are asking? And getting a worse answer than my reply?

The answer is simple: whatever you are going to say as to why YOUR version of the Bible is true, they are going to say the same.

Happy now, pun'kin?

You are harassing me, you are trying to provoke me to fight. If you are not a Jehovah's Witness, these questions are not for you. If you wan't to discuss your own topic, I suggest you start your own forum.

No, you have it backwards. If you want to select your audience, start your own forum. Contrary to your belief, I addressed the OP, and its flaws, twice, now, as well as providing you an 'answer' of sorts.
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1/3/2015 10:09:21 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/3/2015 10:03:37 AM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 1/3/2015 9:33:25 AM, LifeMeansGodIsGood wrote:
At 1/3/2015 9:17:13 AM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 1/3/2015 9:14:31 AM, LifeMeansGodIsGood wrote:
At 1/3/2015 9:07:40 AM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 1/3/2015 9:01:50 AM, LifeMeansGodIsGood wrote:
. If there is no conscious awareness after death, how could the "spirits in prison", who lived during "Noah"s days", be preached to by Christ after His death (1Pet 3:18-20) and how could the good news be "declared also to the dead" (1 Pet 4:5-6)? If the "spirits in prison" of 1Pet 3:19 refers to demonic angels, instead of the just people who died before the resurrection of Christ, then why would Jesus "preach" to demonic angels?

So yet another translation in which the scholars of the chosen denomination agree with themselves about how right they are about how something that cannot be proven must be true.

No, really. Shocked. Eff'ing shocked.

When did you become a Jehovah's Witness? These questions are not for you if you are not a JW, so why don't you butt out?


You mean aside from the fact I hosted groups of JW's at my residence for a few months to explore EXACTLY what you are asking? And getting a worse answer than my reply?

The answer is simple: whatever you are going to say as to why YOUR version of the Bible is true, they are going to say the same.

Happy now, pun'kin?

You are harassing me, you are trying to provoke me to fight. If you are not a Jehovah's Witness, these questions are not for you. If you wan't to discuss your own topic, I suggest you start your own forum.


No, you have it backwards. If you want to select your audience, start your own forum. Contrary to your belief, I addressed the OP, and its flaws, twice, now, as well as providing you an 'answer' of sorts.

This forum is " Questions for Jehovah's Witnesses". If you are not a Jehovah's Witness, the questions are not for you. You are only here to harass me, using profanity and vulgarity and trying to provoke me to fight with you, I am not interested in discussing your topics here.
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1/3/2015 10:11:42 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/3/2015 10:09:21 AM, LifeMeansGodIsGood wrote:
At 1/3/2015 10:03:37 AM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 1/3/2015 9:33:25 AM, LifeMeansGodIsGood wrote:
At 1/3/2015 9:17:13 AM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 1/3/2015 9:14:31 AM, LifeMeansGodIsGood wrote:
At 1/3/2015 9:07:40 AM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 1/3/2015 9:01:50 AM, LifeMeansGodIsGood wrote:
. If there is no conscious awareness after death, how could the "spirits in prison", who lived during "Noah"s days", be preached to by Christ after His death (1Pet 3:18-20) and how could the good news be "declared also to the dead" (1 Pet 4:5-6)? If the "spirits in prison" of 1Pet 3:19 refers to demonic angels, instead of the just people who died before the resurrection of Christ, then why would Jesus "preach" to demonic angels?

So yet another translation in which the scholars of the chosen denomination agree with themselves about how right they are about how something that cannot be proven must be true.

No, really. Shocked. Eff'ing shocked.

When did you become a Jehovah's Witness? These questions are not for you if you are not a JW, so why don't you butt out?


You mean aside from the fact I hosted groups of JW's at my residence for a few months to explore EXACTLY what you are asking? And getting a worse answer than my reply?

The answer is simple: whatever you are going to say as to why YOUR version of the Bible is true, they are going to say the same.

Happy now, pun'kin?

You are harassing me, you are trying to provoke me to fight. If you are not a Jehovah's Witness, these questions are not for you. If you wan't to discuss your own topic, I suggest you start your own forum.


No, you have it backwards. If you want to select your audience, start your own forum. Contrary to your belief, I addressed the OP, and its flaws, twice, now, as well as providing you an 'answer' of sorts.

This forum is " Questions for Jehovah's Witnesses". If you are not a Jehovah's Witness, the questions are not for you. You are only here to harass me, using profanity and vulgarity and trying to provoke me to fight with you, I am not interested in discussing your topics here.

And you Lie, to. So deep is your disrespect for other denominations, you can't even spell theirs correctly when referring to it. Now, side note, I am comfortably below the threshold of both 'harassment' and 'vulgarity'. You are welcome to summon a moderator to whi... -ahem- plead your case.
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1/3/2015 10:26:45 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/3/2015 9:17:13 AM, FaustianJustice wrote:

You mean aside from the fact I hosted groups of JW's at my residence for a few months to explore EXACTLY what you are asking? And getting a worse answer than my reply?

The answer is simple: whatever you are going to say as to why YOUR version of the Bible is true, they are going to say the same.

Happy now, pun'kin?

You hosted JW's in your house?? Jeebus you're a hard core atheist. Did you do this for other denominations?
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1/3/2015 10:29:36 AM
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At 1/3/2015 10:26:45 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 1/3/2015 9:17:13 AM, FaustianJustice wrote:

You mean aside from the fact I hosted groups of JW's at my residence for a few months to explore EXACTLY what you are asking? And getting a worse answer than my reply?

The answer is simple: whatever you are going to say as to why YOUR version of the Bible is true, they are going to say the same.

Happy now, pun'kin?

You hosted JW's in your house?? Jeebus you're a hard core atheist. Did you do this for other denominations?

Not at my house. For a -few- Islamic and Catholic lines of inquery, I had to go to a few neutral and 'home turf' places. JW's go door to door, so that made it easy.
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1/3/2015 10:34:47 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/3/2015 10:29:36 AM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 1/3/2015 10:26:45 AM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 1/3/2015 9:17:13 AM, FaustianJustice wrote:

You mean aside from the fact I hosted groups of JW's at my residence for a few months to explore EXACTLY what you are asking? And getting a worse answer than my reply?

The answer is simple: whatever you are going to say as to why YOUR version of the Bible is true, they are going to say the same.

Happy now, pun'kin?

You hosted JW's in your house?? Jeebus you're a hard core atheist. Did you do this for other denominations?

Not at my house. For a -few- Islamic and Catholic lines of inquery, I had to go to a few neutral and 'home turf' places. JW's go door to door, so that made it easy.

And you came out unscathed by the Gods?! Surely a hero you are! An Epic should be written!
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1/3/2015 11:43:44 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
oh yeah, it's Saturday............I'm pretty sure it's time for the JW's to mass in Kingdom Halls now......I picked the wrong time to ask them questions
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1/3/2015 3:02:25 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/3/2015 9:07:40 AM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 1/3/2015 9:01:50 AM, LifeMeansGodIsGood wrote:
. If there is no conscious awareness after death, how could the "spirits in prison", who lived during "Noah"s days", be preached to by Christ after His death (1Pet 3:18-20) and how could the good news be "declared also to the dead" (1 Pet 4:5-6)? If the "spirits in prison" of 1Pet 3:19 refers to demonic angels, instead of the just people who died before the resurrection of Christ, then why would Jesus "preach" to demonic angels?

So yet another translation in which the scholars of the chosen denomination agree with themselves about how right they are about how something that cannot be proven must be true.

No, really. Shocked. Eff'ing shocked.
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