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1/5/2015 4:23:53 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
I have noticed a few people on here, who are literally having disjointed conversations with themselves, and when they try to reply to someone else unrelated drivel comes out.

To be clear, I am not talking about prayer, or religion in general. I've actually met atheists in real life who were clearly symptomatic of schizophrenia.

Also please do not name anyone! This isn't a call out thread, this is an attempt to assist those who may be in need getting help. I expect it to disappear within a day behind active discussions.

I'm enough of a jerk that I tend to blame illiteracy and bath salts for the really weird behavior I've seen. In the interest of those in need getting help, I'm sorry for having so long fallen back on this negative elitist assumption. The sad fact is that about 1% of the population suffers this terrible ailment, which probably means a similar percentage of DDO users.

From the description of the ailment: http://www.nimh.nih.gov...
"People with the disorder may hear voices other people don't hear." In addition to other hallucinations
"People with schizophrenia may not make sense when they talk."
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1/5/2015 4:44:21 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
"The simple answer to this complex question is that you do not confront an individual with schizophrenia..."

http://psychcentral.com...

And that's advice for close friends and family. Even more so for internet forum acquaintances I guess.
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1/5/2015 1:00:40 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/5/2015 4:44:21 AM, Garbanza wrote:
"The simple answer to this complex question is that you do not confront an individual with schizophrenia..."
From the same article "Scientists think that these 50 percent of individuals with schizophrenia who do not know they are ill suffer with anosignosia (lack of insight), a brain defect related to the frontal lobes that makes it impossible for them to recognize their illness."

My message is intended for the half (or nearly half) who have the capacity to realize there is a problem. Not a confrontation, think of it as a PSA.
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1/5/2015 1:09:44 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/5/2015 4:23:53 AM, Ragnar wrote:
I have noticed a few people on here, who are literally having disjointed conversations with themselves, and when they try to reply to someone else unrelated drivel comes out.

From the description of the ailment: http://www.nimh.nih.gov...
"People with the disorder may hear voices other people don't hear." In addition to other hallucinations
"People with schizophrenia may not make sense when they talk."

Well, that would explain the authors of the Bible and the Quran.
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1/5/2015 2:53:19 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/5/2015 4:23:53 AM, Ragnar wrote:
I have noticed a few people on here, who are literally having disjointed conversations with themselves, and when they try to reply to someone else unrelated drivel comes out.

To be clear, I am not talking about prayer, or religion in general. I've actually met atheists in real life who were clearly symptomatic of schizophrenia.

Also please do not name anyone! This isn't a call out thread, this is an attempt to assist those who may be in need getting help. I expect it to disappear within a day behind active discussions.

I'm enough of a jerk that I tend to blame illiteracy and bath salts for the really weird behavior I've seen. In the interest of those in need getting help, I'm sorry for having so long fallen back on this negative elitist assumption. The sad fact is that about 1% of the population suffers this terrible ailment, which probably means a similar percentage of DDO users.

From the description of the ailment: http://www.nimh.nih.gov...
"People with the disorder may hear voices other people don't hear." In addition to other hallucinations
"People with schizophrenia may not make sense when they talk."

I don't understand the point of this thread. How will those who, at the very least, recognize they have schizophrenia know that they are a problem on the forum? I'm not saying calling people out, but this "you know who you are" type approach seems ineffective if sincere. It may be helpful to PM them or something.
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1/5/2015 3:57:21 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/5/2015 4:23:53 AM, Ragnar wrote:
I have noticed a few people on here, who are literally having disjointed conversations with themselves, and when they try to reply to someone else unrelated drivel comes out.

To be clear, I am not talking about prayer, or religion in general. I've actually met atheists in real life who were clearly symptomatic of schizophrenia.

Also please do not name anyone! This isn't a call out thread, this is an attempt to assist those who may be in need getting help. I expect it to disappear within a day behind active discussions.

I'm enough of a jerk that I tend to blame illiteracy and bath salts for the really weird behavior I've seen. In the interest of those in need getting help, I'm sorry for having so long fallen back on this negative elitist assumption. The sad fact is that about 1% of the population suffers this terrible ailment, which probably means a similar percentage of DDO users.

From the description of the ailment: http://www.nimh.nih.gov...
"People with the disorder may hear voices other people don't hear." In addition to other hallucinations
"People with schizophrenia may not make sense when they talk."

Obviously, this is a call out thread.

Otherwise, I wonder what the real issue is here? As we can see from the responses, we ALREADY have at least one poster using it to call out ... the Bible and all its followers. Thanks DJ.

There are a couple of posters who display symptoms, and those who do have been confronted with them in both public and private. Some have done so with compassion, still others have gone to those posters support network and then publicly posted the results (which the moderation team thankfully removed).

Mental heath is an issue worth discussing, but if you wish specificity without 'calling people out', then would be best to pick leaders that display these traits and then what to do about them - like Charles Manson. L Ron Hubbard. Etc.

Plenty of room there.

Here, you will get ... you know that guy that posted X and stalks people and whose names starts with X ... yep lets examine HIM or HER.

Not quite sure what you wish to have examined here, and it appears, despite the statement, to be geared toward calling out the 1% on DDO.

There are plenty of people who will take that bait.
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1/5/2015 4:30:28 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/5/2015 2:53:19 PM, Bennett91 wrote:
At 1/5/2015 4:23:53 AM, Ragnar wrote:
I have noticed a few people on here, who are literally having disjointed conversations with themselves, and when they try to reply to someone else unrelated drivel comes out.

To be clear, I am not talking about prayer, or religion in general. I've actually met atheists in real life who were clearly symptomatic of schizophrenia.

Also please do not name anyone! This isn't a call out thread, this is an attempt to assist those who may be in need getting help. I expect it to disappear within a day behind active discussions.

I'm enough of a jerk that I tend to blame illiteracy and bath salts for the really weird behavior I've seen. In the interest of those in need getting help, I'm sorry for having so long fallen back on this negative elitist assumption. The sad fact is that about 1% of the population suffers this terrible ailment, which probably means a similar percentage of DDO users.

From the description of the ailment: http://www.nimh.nih.gov...
"People with the disorder may hear voices other people don't hear." In addition to other hallucinations
"People with schizophrenia may not make sense when they talk."

I don't understand the point of this thread. How will those who, at the very least, recognize they have schizophrenia know that they are a problem on the forum? I'm not saying calling people out, but this "you know who you are" type approach seems ineffective if sincere. It may be helpful to PM them or something.

Bennet and I agree on something. That is twice in one day.

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1/5/2015 5:00:51 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/5/2015 4:23:53 AM, Ragnar wrote:
I have noticed a few people on here, who are literally having disjointed conversations with themselves, and when they try to reply to someone else unrelated drivel comes out.

To be clear, I am not talking about prayer, or religion in general. I've actually met atheists in real life who were clearly symptomatic of schizophrenia.

Also please do not name anyone! This isn't a call out thread, this is an attempt to assist those who may be in need getting help. I expect it to disappear within a day behind active discussions.

I'm enough of a jerk that I tend to blame illiteracy and bath salts for the really weird behavior I've seen. In the interest of those in need getting help, I'm sorry for having so long fallen back on this negative elitist assumption. The sad fact is that about 1% of the population suffers this terrible ailment, which probably means a similar percentage of DDO users.

From the description of the ailment: http://www.nimh.nih.gov...
"People with the disorder may hear voices other people don't hear." In addition to other hallucinations
"People with schizophrenia may not make sense when they talk."

You might be right about the percentage here on debate.org. Same could be said for social disorders of various affliction. That is evident.

It is my opinion that the users who might be suffering from some form of schizophrenia should be left alone. In most cases they are completely harmless in their posts. By confronting them in a social environment such as this their problems could be made worse rather than better. I hope to see no self fulfilling prophesies to prove to a group of people on a meaningless internet forum that they are in fact what they say they are.

This is a point I have tried to make multiple times. It only results in continued persecution of said users. The religion forum seems to be an attraction for people suffering from disorders. :)
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1/5/2015 11:35:54 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/5/2015 2:53:19 PM, Bennett91 wrote:
...this "you know who you are" type approach seems ineffective if sincere. It may be helpful to PM them or something.
I'm trying to minimize the risk of putting anyone on the defensive with direct accusations. I would rather raise public awareness of an issue, hoping one of the afflicted might remember this during a moment of clarity. I agree this is likely to be ineffective, but on the off chance that it helps even one person seek the treatment they need, I deem it worthwhile.
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1/6/2015 12:07:00 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/5/2015 4:23:53 AM, Ragnar wrote:
I have noticed a few people on here, who are literally having disjointed conversations with themselves, and when they try to reply to someone else unrelated drivel comes out.

To be clear, I am not talking about prayer, or religion in general. I've actually met atheists in real life who were clearly symptomatic of schizophrenia.

Also please do not name anyone! This isn't a call out thread, this is an attempt to assist those who may be in need getting help. I expect it to disappear within a day behind active discussions.

I'm enough of a jerk that I tend to blame illiteracy and bath salts for the really weird behavior I've seen. In the interest of those in need getting help, I'm sorry for having so long fallen back on this negative elitist assumption. The sad fact is that about 1% of the population suffers this terrible ailment, which probably means a similar percentage of DDO users.

From the description of the ailment: http://www.nimh.nih.gov...
"People with the disorder may hear voices other people don't hear." In addition to other hallucinations
"People with schizophrenia may not make sense when they talk."

I hear voices in my head. I thought every body did. I ask myself a question like "Where are my car keys?" and a little voice tells me to check my coat pocket.

I think we all are a little crazy.
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1/6/2015 2:19:20 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
I really dislike this categorization and medicaluzation of every human experience. It's bad enough when people in distress are constructed as dysfuctional and needing to be fixed up, but here we have people who are not even in distress but whose thinking is judged to be abnormal for whatever reason and therefore in need of treatment.

There's no POINT diagnosing someone unless it's linked to some kind of intervention or treatment, and anyway, it's ridiculous to think that you can diagnose strangers by their forum posts.

There's always this idea that people need to be fixed up. But why? Unless you're prepared to cough up for someone's treatment costs and drive them to their appointments/all this sort of comment is doing is defining normal in a particular way and passing a vague and negative judgement on deviations from your own construction of normal. It's oppressive.
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1/6/2015 2:24:23 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
I mean, okay, I've made a diagnosis or two myself. Not in the religion forum, but on the other forums. It's hard not to do it sometimes, but we shouldn't take these ideas seriously I don't think.
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1/7/2015 12:54:01 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/6/2015 2:19:20 AM, Garbanza wrote:
Unless you're prepared to cough up for someone's treatment costs and drive them to their appointments...
That is about the weakest argument line I have ever seen. If Ragnar does not pay everyone's medical bills and go around the country driving them to their appointments, no one should seek medical care.
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1/7/2015 1:01:45 AM
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At 1/7/2015 12:54:01 AM, Ragnar wrote:
At 1/6/2015 2:19:20 AM, Garbanza wrote:
Unless you're prepared to cough up for someone's treatment costs and drive them to their appointments...
That is about the weakest argument line I have ever seen. If Ragnar does not pay everyone's medical bills and go around the country driving them to their appointments, no one should seek medical care.

No, that's not what I'm saying. I mean there's no value to diagnosis on its own.
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1/8/2015 12:38:41 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/7/2015 1:01:45 AM, Garbanza wrote:
At 1/7/2015 12:54:01 AM, Ragnar wrote:
At 1/6/2015 2:19:20 AM, Garbanza wrote:
Unless you're prepared to cough up for someone's treatment costs and drive them to their appointments...
That is about the weakest argument line I have ever seen. If Ragnar does not pay everyone's medical bills and go around the country driving them to their appointments, no one should seek medical care.
No, that's not what I'm saying. I mean there's no value to diagnosis on its own.
I wouldn't call anything on here outright diagnosis, however there is significant value in diagnosis. Take cancer for example, no diagnosis no treatment, no treatment they often die. Mental illness usually takes a lot longer to kill someone (and is not the official cause of death), but no diagnosis no treatment, etc... Identifying the potential problem certain behavior is suggestive of, is the vital step toward diagnosis, and thus toward treatment.

I at least don't want anyone else on this site ending up being one of those crazy homeless stumbling around town and freezing in winter.
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1/8/2015 1:36:18 AM
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At 1/5/2015 4:23:53 AM, Ragnar wrote:
I have noticed a few people on here, who are literally having disjointed conversations with themselves, and when they try to reply to someone else unrelated drivel comes out.

To be clear, I am not talking about prayer, or religion in general. I've actually met atheists in real life who were clearly symptomatic of schizophrenia.

Also please do not name anyone! This isn't a call out thread, this is an attempt to assist those who may be in need getting help. I expect it to disappear within a day behind active discussions.

I'm enough of a jerk that I tend to blame illiteracy and bath salts for the really weird behavior I've seen. In the interest of those in need getting help, I'm sorry for having so long fallen back on this negative elitist assumption. The sad fact is that about 1% of the population suffers this terrible ailment, which probably means a similar percentage of DDO users.

From the description of the ailment: http://www.nimh.nih.gov...
"People with the disorder may hear voices other people don't hear." In addition to other hallucinations
"People with schizophrenia may not make sense when they talk."

"I've actually met atheists in real life who were clearly symptomatic of schizophrenia."

I'm just guessing here but I don't think you are qualified to diagnose anything.
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1/8/2015 1:46:47 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/8/2015 12:38:41 AM, Ragnar wrote:
At 1/7/2015 1:01:45 AM, Garbanza wrote:
At 1/7/2015 12:54:01 AM, Ragnar wrote:
At 1/6/2015 2:19:20 AM, Garbanza wrote:
Unless you're prepared to cough up for someone's treatment costs and drive them to their appointments...
That is about the weakest argument line I have ever seen. If Ragnar does not pay everyone's medical bills and go around the country driving them to their appointments, no one should seek medical care.
No, that's not what I'm saying. I mean there's no value to diagnosis on its own.
I wouldn't call anything on here outright diagnosis, however there is significant value in diagnosis. Take cancer for example, no diagnosis no treatment, no treatment they often die. Mental illness usually takes a lot longer to kill someone (and is not the official cause of death), but no diagnosis no treatment, etc... Identifying the potential problem certain behavior is suggestive of, is the vital step toward diagnosis, and thus toward treatment.

I at least don't want anyone else on this site ending up being one of those crazy homeless stumbling around town and freezing in winter.

How exactly do you diagnose cancer over the internet? Without being a doctor?

If you suspect it, based on observation, than the correct recommendation is to get it checked out - not to diagnose it. There are a lot of things that share the same symptoms as cancer, that does not mean they are cancer - which is why ONLY DOCTORS can diagnose them.

Mental health issues are the same. You can suspect, but given the ... sectarian nature of the discussion, such suspicions should be taken with a huge grain of salt. "You are crazy," is a very easy way, dishonest even to avoid a valid point.

If you suspect it, then you should recommend it to a mental health professional. Period.

Anything else ... and you are fooling yourself that you are engaged in anything charitable or medical in nature.
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1/8/2015 5:06:25 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/8/2015 1:36:18 AM, Accipiter wrote:
At 1/5/2015 4:23:53 AM, Ragnar wrote:
To be clear, I am not talking about prayer, or religion in general. I've actually met atheists in real life who were clearly symptomatic of schizophrenia.
I'm just guessing here but I don't think you are qualified to diagnose anything.
As bad as your guesswork is (I'm a trained medical professional, who has saved lives in Iraq), would you mind explaining the relevance?
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1/8/2015 5:34:33 PM
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At 1/8/2015 5:06:25 PM, Ragnar wrote:
At 1/8/2015 1:36:18 AM, Accipiter wrote:
At 1/5/2015 4:23:53 AM, Ragnar wrote:
To be clear, I am not talking about prayer, or religion in general. I've actually met atheists in real life who were clearly symptomatic of schizophrenia.
I'm just guessing here but I don't think you are qualified to diagnose anything.
As bad as your guesswork is (I'm a trained medical professional, who has saved lives in Iraq), would you mind explaining the relevance?

Are you a physician? Medics are not allowed to make mental health diagnosis in the military. Neither are nurses. Only trained psychologists and psychiatrists can make a final diagnosis, which involves sending a Soldier to combat stress clinics over seas, or mental health clinics - that would include Soldiers I have seen develop symptoms of schizophrenia.

None of this happens over the internet.
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1/8/2015 7:17:28 PM
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At 1/8/2015 12:38:41 AM, Ragnar wrote:
At 1/7/2015 1:01:45 AM, Garbanza wrote:
At 1/7/2015 12:54:01 AM, Ragnar wrote:
At 1/6/2015 2:19:20 AM, Garbanza wrote:
Unless you're prepared to cough up for someone's treatment costs and drive them to their appointments...
That is about the weakest argument line I have ever seen. If Ragnar does not pay everyone's medical bills and go around the country driving them to their appointments, no one should seek medical care.
No, that's not what I'm saying. I mean there's no value to diagnosis on its own.
I wouldn't call anything on here outright diagnosis, however there is significant value in diagnosis. Take cancer for example, no diagnosis no treatment, no treatment they often die.

Exactly. It's the treatment that matters. The diagnosis is only to arrange treatment.

The point is, if a person has enough financial and social support to commit to treatment for schizophrenia, then they've almost certainly got enough support to get diagnosed, because diagnosis is a lot easier than treatment.

If they haven't got enough financial and social support for treatment, then even if you could diagnose them, there's no value in it.

Mental illness usually takes a lot longer to kill someone (and is not the official cause of death), but no diagnosis no treatment, etc... Identifying the potential problem certain behavior is suggestive of, is the vital step toward diagnosis, and thus toward treatment.

I at least don't want anyone else on this site ending up being one of those crazy homeless stumbling around town and freezing in winter.

Nor do I, but I suppose the difference is that I think that this thread is not going to make any difference to someone's homelessness or not. All it's going to do is make people feel judgmental or bad.
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1/8/2015 7:42:19 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/8/2015 7:17:28 PM, Garbanza wrote:
At 1/8/2015 12:38:41 AM, Ragnar wrote:
At 1/7/2015 1:01:45 AM, Garbanza wrote:
At 1/7/2015 12:54:01 AM, Ragnar wrote:
At 1/6/2015 2:19:20 AM, Garbanza wrote:
Unless you're prepared to cough up for someone's treatment costs and drive them to their appointments...
That is about the weakest argument line I have ever seen. If Ragnar does not pay everyone's medical bills and go around the country driving them to their appointments, no one should seek medical care.
No, that's not what I'm saying. I mean there's no value to diagnosis on its own.
I wouldn't call anything on here outright diagnosis, however there is significant value in diagnosis. Take cancer for example, no diagnosis no treatment, no treatment they often die.

Exactly. It's the treatment that matters. The diagnosis is only to arrange treatment.

The point is, if a person has enough financial and social support to commit to treatment for schizophrenia, then they've almost certainly got enough support to get diagnosed, because diagnosis is a lot easier than treatment.

If they haven't got enough financial and social support for treatment, then even if you could diagnose them, there's no value in it.

Mental illness usually takes a lot longer to kill someone (and is not the official cause of death), but no diagnosis no treatment, etc... Identifying the potential problem certain behavior is suggestive of, is the vital step toward diagnosis, and thus toward treatment.

I at least don't want anyone else on this site ending up being one of those crazy homeless stumbling around town and freezing in winter.

Nor do I, but I suppose the difference is that I think that this thread is not going to make any difference to someone's homelessness or not. All it's going to do is make people feel judgmental or bad.

+1
I agree. And I think it should be noted that a harmless person who may or may not be mentally afflicted with schizophrenia is not a real social problem. The criminally insane typically do something that gets them forced mental treatment one way or another. Why focus on this?
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1/9/2015 12:11:13 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/5/2015 4:23:53 AM, Ragnar wrote:
I have noticed a few people on here, who are literally having disjointed conversations with themselves, and when they try to reply to someone else unrelated drivel comes out.

To be clear, I am not talking about prayer, or religion in general. I've actually met atheists in real life who were clearly symptomatic of schizophrenia.

Also please do not name anyone! This isn't a call out thread, this is an attempt to assist those who may be in need getting help. I expect it to disappear within a day behind active discussions.

I'm enough of a jerk that I tend to blame illiteracy and bath salts for the really weird behavior I've seen. In the interest of those in need getting help, I'm sorry for having so long fallen back on this negative elitist assumption. The sad fact is that about 1% of the population suffers this terrible ailment, which probably means a similar percentage of DDO users.

From the description of the ailment: http://www.nimh.nih.gov...
"People with the disorder may hear voices other people don't hear." In addition to other hallucinations
"People with schizophrenia may not make sense when they talk."

Do you think psychiatrists know the Truth?
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1/9/2015 3:38:39 AM
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At 1/9/2015 12:11:13 AM, bornofgod wrote:
At 1/5/2015 4:23:53 AM, Ragnar wrote:
I have noticed a few people on here, who are literally having disjointed conversations with themselves, and when they try to reply to someone else unrelated drivel comes out.

To be clear, I am not talking about prayer, or religion in general. I've actually met atheists in real life who were clearly symptomatic of schizophrenia.

Also please do not name anyone! This isn't a call out thread, this is an attempt to assist those who may be in need getting help. I expect it to disappear within a day behind active discussions.

I'm enough of a jerk that I tend to blame illiteracy and bath salts for the really weird behavior I've seen. In the interest of those in need getting help, I'm sorry for having so long fallen back on this negative elitist assumption. The sad fact is that about 1% of the population suffers this terrible ailment, which probably means a similar percentage of DDO users.

From the description of the ailment: http://www.nimh.nih.gov...
"People with the disorder may hear voices other people don't hear." In addition to other hallucinations
"People with schizophrenia may not make sense when they talk."

Do you think psychiatrists know the Truth?

Yes.
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1/9/2015 4:34:28 AM
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At 1/5/2015 4:23:53 AM, Ragnar wrote:
I have noticed a few people on here, who are literally having disjointed conversations with themselves, and when they try to reply to someone else unrelated drivel comes out.

To be clear, I am not talking about prayer, or religion in general. I've actually met atheists in real life who were clearly symptomatic of schizophrenia.

Also please do not name anyone! This isn't a call out thread, this is an attempt to assist those who may be in need getting help. I expect it to disappear within a day behind active discussions.

I'm enough of a jerk that I tend to blame illiteracy and bath salts for the really weird behavior I've seen. In the interest of those in need getting help, I'm sorry for having so long fallen back on this negative elitist assumption. The sad fact is that about 1% of the population suffers this terrible ailment, which probably means a similar percentage of DDO users.

From the description of the ailment: http://www.nimh.nih.gov...
"People with the disorder may hear voices other people don't hear." In addition to other hallucinations
"People with schizophrenia may not make sense when they talk."

The observation that there is a strong link between the topic of this forum and the mental illness of schizophrenia is correct. The association you've attempted to build between atheism and schizophrenia is pure malarkey. The truth runs in quite the opposite direction. Schizophrenia is commonly associated with religion, not with the absence of religion.

http://en.wikipedia.org...
- "The relationship between religion and schizophrenia is of particular interest to psychologists because of the similarities between religious experiences and psychotic episodes; religious experiences often involve auditory and/or visual hallucinations, and those with schizophrenia commonly report similar hallucinations, along with a variety of delusions and faulty beliefs. A common report from those with schizophrenia is some type of a religious delusion - that is, they believe they are divine beings, God is talking to them, they are possessed by demons, etc. In a study of patients with schizophrenia that had been previously admitted to a hospital, 24% had religious delusions. This has led some researchers to question whether schizophrenia leads an individual to become more religious, or if intense religiosity leads to schizophrenia"
(Emphasis added)

A little research could prevent you from illustrating how your subjective bias affects your perceptions.
"If we believe absurdities we shall commit atrocities." -- Voltaire
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1/9/2015 4:43:51 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/8/2015 5:06:25 PM, Ragnar wrote:
At 1/8/2015 1:36:18 AM, Accipiter wrote:
At 1/5/2015 4:23:53 AM, Ragnar wrote:
To be clear, I am not talking about prayer, or religion in general. I've actually met atheists in real life who were clearly symptomatic of schizophrenia.
I'm just guessing here but I don't think you are qualified to diagnose anything.
As bad as your guesswork is (I'm a trained medical professional, who has saved lives in Iraq), would you mind explaining the relevance?

Let me guess; a military medic? Stop popping smoke. Nothing about that would qualify you in the least to diagnose schizophrenia. Show me your Ph D in psychiatry.

The association is between schizophrenia and religiosity, not schizophrenia and atheism.
"If we believe absurdities we shall commit atrocities." -- Voltaire
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1/9/2015 7:20:54 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/5/2015 4:23:53 AM, Ragnar wrote:
I have noticed a few people on here, who are literally having disjointed conversations with themselves, and when they try to reply to someone else unrelated drivel comes out.

To be clear, I am not talking about prayer, or religion in general. I've actually met atheists in real life who were clearly symptomatic of schizophrenia.

Also please do not name anyone! This isn't a call out thread, this is an attempt to assist those who may be in need getting help. I expect it to disappear within a day behind active discussions.

I'm enough of a jerk that I tend to blame illiteracy and bath salts for the really weird behavior I've seen. In the interest of those in need getting help, I'm sorry for having so long fallen back on this negative elitist assumption. The sad fact is that about 1% of the population suffers this terrible ailment, which probably means a similar percentage of DDO users.

From the description of the ailment: http://www.nimh.nih.gov...
"People with the disorder may hear voices other people don't hear." In addition to other hallucinations
"People with schizophrenia may not make sense when they talk."

I actually don't think this is a call out thread, though I certainly have my doubts about it's ability to be effective sadly.

I have brought this up before, in that I don't mock those "weird posts," or generally respond to them as I don't know the condition of the person posting it. We often will just mock these people as being "out there," and there is actually a likelihood that they suffer from mentally debilitating disorder.

My brother suffers from mental illness so I am a bit more sensitive to it, though certainly not to the degree that I could make a diagnosis.

Nor do I think Rangar is attempting to diagnose anyone. Rather, he is calling attention to certain symptoms, and that if these people have this experience then they should seek out help.

I fail to see the harm in such a post.
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1/9/2015 9:56:27 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/8/2015 5:06:25 PM, Ragnar wrote:
At 1/8/2015 1:36:18 AM, Accipiter wrote:
At 1/5/2015 4:23:53 AM, Ragnar wrote:
To be clear, I am not talking about prayer, or religion in general. I've actually met atheists in real life who were clearly symptomatic of schizophrenia.
I'm just guessing here but I don't think you are qualified to diagnose anything.
As bad as your guesswork is (I'm a trained medical professional, who has saved lives in Iraq), would you mind explaining the relevance?

You seem to be implying that atheists are somehow unfit to think clearly.

A trained medical professional? Are you afraid to tell us exactly what your trained medical professional title is?
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1/10/2015 3:37:22 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/9/2015 9:56:27 AM, Accipiter wrote:
At 1/8/2015 5:06:25 PM, Ragnar wrote:
At 1/8/2015 1:36:18 AM, Accipiter wrote:
At 1/5/2015 4:23:53 AM, Ragnar wrote:
To be clear, I am not talking about prayer, or religion in general. I've actually met atheists in real life who were clearly symptomatic of schizophrenia.
I'm just guessing here but I don't think you are qualified to diagnose anything.
As bad as your guesswork is (I'm a trained medical professional, who has saved lives in Iraq), would you mind explaining the relevance?
You seem to be implying that atheists are somehow unfit to think clearly.
Some yes, which in no way implies all. Are you actually attempting to argue that Atheists are all so extraordinary that none ever displays any symptoms associated with mental illness?
Which still does not bridge the relevance. I stated "I wouldn't call anything on here outright diagnosis," you then stated "I don't think you are qualified to diagnose anything."

A trained medical professional?
Your literacy is really letting you down... Yes, as stated "I'm a trained medical professional, who has saved lives in Iraq."

Are you afraid to tell us exactly what your trained medical professional title is?
Accusing soldiers of being afraid of you, I hope that was an attempt at humor.

I don't expect anyone to be Sherlock Holmes (a fictional character I know), but I may as well take the moment show how to deduce the answer to what my title might be...
1. Young fit male.
2. Military uniform and surroundings.
3. Right hand making V for Victory sign.
4. History in the medical profession.
5. Spent time in Iraq.

And if that was not enough, clicking the name reveals...

6. Profile says "combat medic" and "US Army, 82nd Airborne Division."

As much as I have for various reasons not responded to all messages in this thread, anyone at all need help determining the answer to what that title might be?
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1/10/2015 4:53:36 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/9/2015 4:43:51 AM, Beastt wrote:
At 1/8/2015 5:06:25 PM, Ragnar wrote:
At 1/8/2015 1:36:18 AM, Accipiter wrote:
At 1/5/2015 4:23:53 AM, Ragnar wrote:
To be clear, I am not talking about prayer, or religion in general. I've actually met atheists in real life who were clearly symptomatic of schizophrenia.
I'm just guessing here but I don't think you are qualified to diagnose anything.
As bad as your guesswork is (I'm a trained medical professional, who has saved lives in Iraq), would you mind explaining the relevance?

Let me guess; a military medic? Stop popping smoke. Nothing about that would qualify you in the least to diagnose schizophrenia. Show me your Ph D in psychiatry.

The association is between schizophrenia and religiosity, not schizophrenia and atheism.

ROFL!!!

First sentence, need a Ph.D in Psychiatry to make a diagnosis.

Next sentence a generalized statement that would require a Ph.D to have any merit - that schizophrenia and religion are linked!

Unfortunately for our fake doctor here, simple fact checking shreds his inexpert opinion. As usual.

Common symptoms include false beliefs, unclear or confused thinking, auditory hallucinations, reduced social engagement and emotional expression, and inactivity. Diagnosis is based on observed behavior and the person's reported experiences.

http://en.wikipedia.org...

A delusion is a belief held with strong conviction despite superior evidence to the contrary.[1] As a pathology, it is distinct from a belief based on false or incomplete information, confabulation, dogma, illusion, or other effects of perception.

http://en.wikipedia.org...

As you can see, atheists do suffer from schizophrenia.

http://www.reddit.com...

Now you can have DELUSIONS with religious content, or without, but that is not a link to religion.

The experts:
http://www.currentpsychiatry.com...

The bigots:
https://metrostateatheists.wordpress.com...

I like how the last one there is promoting science and reason, but then, like beasty the bigot here, makes inexpert connections and false mental health diagnosis based on their own hang ups rather than on true science.

That is why one actually requires a Ph.D to make mental health diagnosis, and only a few zealots at the fringes think religion is schizophrenia. Funny that Beasty follows the fring elements for both mental health issues and on say, the historicity of Jesus?

One might even say that this appeal to extremes counts as delusional?
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1/10/2015 8:30:15 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/5/2015 1:09:44 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 1/5/2015 4:23:53 AM, Ragnar wrote:
I have noticed a few people on here, who are literally having disjointed conversations with themselves, and when they try to reply to someone else unrelated drivel comes out.

From the description of the ailment: http://www.nimh.nih.gov...
"People with the disorder may hear voices other people don't hear." In addition to other hallucinations
"People with schizophrenia may not make sense when they talk."

Well, that would explain the authors of the Bible and the Quran.

Both of which supported the attack on Paris on Tuesday. Oh what a loving God *sarcasm*
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