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1/6/2015 1:47:43 PM
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List of converts to Christianity from nontheism
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
This is a list of notable converts to Christianity who were not theists before their conversion. See Nontheism for specifics of what encompasses nontheism. All names should be sourced and the source should indicate they had not been a theist, not merely non-churchgoing, before conversion.

Joy Davidman " Poet and wife of C. S. Lewis.[1]
Tamsin Greig - British actress raised as an atheist then converted at 30.[2]
Nicky Gumbel " Anglican priest known for the Alpha course, from atheism.[3]
Peter Hitchens " Journalist who went from Trotskyism to Traditionalist conservatism, and estranged brother of late outspoken anti-theist and Vanity Fair writer Christopher Hitchens.[4][5]
C. E. M. Joad " English philosopher whose arguing against Christianity, from an agnostic perspective, earned him criticism from T. S. Eliot.[6] He turned toward religion later, writing The Recovery of Belief a year before he died and returning to Christianity.[7]
C. S. Lewis - Oxford professor and writer; well known for The Chronicles of Narnia series, and for his apologetic Mere Christianity.[8]
Alister McGrath - Biochemist and Christian theologian. Founder of 'Scientific theology' and critic of Richard Dawkins in his book Dawkins' God: Genes, Memes, and the Meaning of Life[9]
Enoch Powell " Conservative Party (UK) member who converted to Anglicanism.[10]
Michael Reiss - a British bioethicist, educator, journalist, and Anglican priest. Agnostic/Secular upbringing.[11]
Dame Cicely Saunders - Templeton Prize and Conrad N. Hilton Humanitarian Prize winning nurse known for palliative care. She converted to Christianity as a young woman.[12]
Fay Weldon - British novelist and feminist.[13]
Converted to Catholicism[edit]
Mortimer J. Adler " American philosopher, educator, and popular author. He converted to Catholicism, from agnosticism, after decades of interest in Thomism.[14][15]
G. E. M. Anscombe " analytic philosopher, Thomist, literary executor for Ludwig Wittgenstein, and author of Modern Moral Philosophy. She converted to Catholicism as a result of her extensive reading.[16]
Maurice Baring " English author who converted in his thirties.[17]
L"on Bloy " French author who lead to several notable conversion and was himself a convert from agnosticism.[18][19]
Paul Bourget " French author who became agnostic and positivist at 15, but returned to Catholicism at 35.[20]
Avery Dulles " A Jesuit priest, theologian, and cardinal in the Catholic Church. He was raised Presbyterian, but was an agnostic before his conversion to Catholic Christianity.[21][22]
Dawn Eden " Rock journalist of Jewish ethnicity who went from an agnostic to a Catholic writer, who was particularly concerned with the moral values of chastity.[23][24]
Edward Feser " A Christian philosopher and author, wrote The Last Superstition: A Refutation of the New Atheism.[25][26]
Andr" Frossard - French journalist and essayist.[27][28]
Maggie Gallagher " Conservative activist and a founder of the National Organization for Marriage.[29]
Eugene D. Genovese " Historian who went from Stalinist to Catholicism.[30]
Anna Haycraft - Raised in Auguste Comte's atheistic "church of humanity", but became a conservative Catholic in adulthood known as Alice Thomas Ellis.[31]
Mary Karr - Author of The Liars' Club and a Guggenheim Fellow. She once described herself as an "undiluted agnostic", but converted to a self-acknowledged "Cafeteria Catholicism" that embraces Pro-Choice views amongst others.[32][33]
Ignace Lepp - French psychiatrist whose parents were freethinkers and who joined the Communist party at age fifteen. He broke with the party in 1937 and eventually became a Catholic priest.[34]
Arnold Lunn " A skier, mountaineer, and writer. As an agnostic he wrote Roman Converts, which took a critical view of Catholicism and the converts to it. He later converted to Catholicism due to debating with converts, and became an apologist for the faith, although he retained a few criticisms of the faith.[35]
Gabriel Marcel " A leading Christian existentialist. His upbringing was agnostic.[36]
Claude McKay " Bisexual Jamaican poet who went from Communist-leaning atheist to an active Catholic Christian after a stroke.[37][38]
Vittorio Messori " An Italian journalist and writer called the "most translated Catholic writer in the world" by Sandro Magister. Before his conversion in 1964 he had a "perspective as a secularist and agnostic."[39][40][41]
Malcolm Muggeridge " British journalist and author who went from agnosticism to the Catholic Church.[42][43]
Bernard Nathanson - Medical doctor who was a founding member of NARAL, later becoming a Pro-Life proponent.[44]
Fulton Oursler - A writer who was raised Baptist, but spent decades as an agnostic before converting. The Greatest Story Ever Told is based on one of his works.[45][46]
Giovanni Papini " He went from pragmatic atheism to Catholicism, also a Fascist.[47]
Joseph Pearce " An anti-Catholic and agnostic British National Front member who became a devoted Catholic writer with a series on EWTN.[48][49]
Charles P"guy - French poet, essayist, and editor. He went from agnostic humanist to a pro-Republic Catholic.[50]
Sally Read - Eric Gregory Award winning poet who converted to Catholicism.[51]
E. F. Schumacher " Economic thinker known for Small Is Beautiful, his A Guide for the Perplexed criticizes what he termed "materialistic scientism." He went from atheism to Buddhism to Catholicism.[52][53]
Peter Steele - Lead singer of Type O Negative.[54]
Edith Stein - Phenomenologist philosopher who converted to Catholicism and became a Discalced Carmelite nun; declared a saint by John Paul II.[55]
John Lawson Stoddard " Divinity student who became an agnostic and "Scientific humanist." Later he converted to Catholicism. His son Lothrop Stoddard remained agnostic and would be significant to Scientific racism.[56]
R. J. Stove: Raised atheist, converted to Catholicism.[57]
Allen Tate - American poet, essayist and social commentator, and Poet Laureate Consultant in Poetry to the Library of Congress.[58]
Sigrid Undset - Norwegian Nobel laureate who converted to Catholicism from agnosticism.[59]
Evelyn Waugh " British novelist who converted to Catholicism from agnosticism.[60]
John C. Wright - Science fiction author who went from atheist to Christian, specifically Catholic.[61] Chapter 1 of the book "Atheist to Catholic: 11 Stories of Conversion", edited by Rebecca Vitz Cherico, is by him.[62]
Converted to Eastern Orthodox Christianity[edit]
Emir Kusturica - Film-maker, actor, and musician. Although of Muslim ancestry, his father was atheist.[63] He took the name "Nemanja" on conversion in 2005.[64]
Seraphim Rose - Hieromonk and religious writer. In early adulthood he considered non-theist ideas of God and the Philosophy of Friedrich Nietzsche that God is dead. He became Russian Orthodox in 1962.[65][66]
Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn " Nobel Prize-winning dissident author who converted to Russian Orthodoxy.[67]
Converted to Protestantism[edit]
Steve Beren - former member of the Socialist Workers Party (United States) who became a Christian conservative politician.[68]
Francis Collins - physician-geneticist, noted for his landmark discoveries of disease genes, and the director of the National Human Genome Research Institute (former atheist)[69]
Bo Giertz - Swedish Confessional Lutheran Bishop, theologian, and writer.[70]
Keir Hardie " Raised atheist and became a Christian Socialist.[71][72]
Paul Jones " Musician, of Manfred Mann. Previously atheist and in 1967 he argued with Cliff Richard about religion on a TV show.[73][74]
Kang Kek Iew (also known as Comrade Duch) - Cambodian director of Phnom Penh's infamous Tuol Sleng detention center[75]
Akiane Kramarik (and family) - American poet and child prodigy raised as an atheist and converted to Christianity[76][77]
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1/6/2015 1:59:28 PM
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LOL. That tiny list of people is a drop in the ocean compared to the millions and millions who became atheists.
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1/6/2015 2:02:06 PM
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At 1/6/2015 1:47:43 PM, MsTambo wrote:
List of converts to Christianity from nontheism
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Joy Davidman " Poet and wife of C. S. Lewis.[1]
Tamsin Greig - British actress raised as an atheist then converted at 30.[2]
Nicky Gumbel " Anglican priest known for the Alpha course, from atheism.[3]
Peter Hitchens " Journalist who went from Trotskyism to Traditionalist conservatism, and estranged brother of late outspoken anti-theist and Vanity Fair writer Christopher Hitchens.[4][5]
C. E. M. Joad " English philosopher whose arguing against Christianity, from an agnostic perspective, earned him criticism from T. S. Eliot.[6] He turned toward religion later, writing The Recovery of Belief a year before he died and returning to Christianity.[7]
C. S. Lewis - Oxford professor and writer; well known for The Chronicles of Narnia series, and for his apologetic Mere Christianity.[8]
Alister McGrath - Biochemist and Christian theologian. Founder of 'Scientific theology' and critic of Richard Dawkins in his book Dawkins' God: Genes, Memes, and the Meaning of Life[9]
Enoch Powell " Conservative Party (UK) member who converted to Anglicanism.[10]
Michael Reiss - a British bioethicist, educator, journalist, and Anglican priest. Agnostic/Secular upbringing.[11]
Dame Cicely Saunders - Templeton Prize and Conrad N. Hilton Humanitarian Prize winning nurse known for palliative care. She converted to Christianity as a young woman.[12]
Fay Weldon - British novelist and feminist.[13]
Converted to Catholicism[edit]
Mortimer J. Adler " American philosopher, educator, and popular author. He converted to Catholicism, from agnosticism, after decades of interest in Thomism.[14][15]
G. E. M. Anscombe " analytic philosopher, Thomist, literary executor for Ludwig Wittgenstein, and author of Modern Moral Philosophy. She converted to Catholicism as a result of her extensive reading.[16]
Maurice Baring " English author who converted in his thirties.[17]
L"on Bloy " French author who lead to several notable conversion and was himself a convert from agnosticism.[18][19]
Paul Bourget " French author who became agnostic and positivist at 15, but returned to Catholicism at 35.[20]
Avery Dulles " A Jesuit priest, theologian, and cardinal in the Catholic Church. He was raised Presbyterian, but was an agnostic before his conversion to Catholic Christianity.[21][22]
Dawn Eden " Rock journalist of Jewish ethnicity who went from an agnostic to a Catholic writer, who was particularly concerned with the moral values of chastity.[23][24]
Edward Feser " A Christian philosopher and author, wrote The Last Superstition: A Refutation of the New Atheism.[25][26]
Andr" Frossard - French journalist and essayist.[27][28]
Maggie Gallagher " Conservative activist and a founder of the National Organization for Marriage.[29]
Eugene D. Genovese " Historian who went from Stalinist to Catholicism.[30]
Anna Haycraft - Raised in Auguste Comte's atheistic "church of humanity", but became a conservative Catholic in adulthood known as Alice Thomas Ellis.[31]
Mary Karr - Author of The Liars' Club and a Guggenheim Fellow. She once described herself as an "undiluted agnostic", but converted to a self-acknowledged "Cafeteria Catholicism" that embraces Pro-Choice views amongst others.[32][33]
Ignace Lepp - French psychiatrist whose parents were freethinkers and who joined the Communist party at age fifteen. He broke with the party in 1937 and eventually became a Catholic priest.[34]
Arnold Lunn " A skier, mountaineer, and writer. As an agnostic he wrote Roman Converts, which took a critical view of Catholicism and the converts to it. He later converted to Catholicism due to debating with converts, and became an apologist for the faith, although he retained a few criticisms of the faith.[35]
Gabriel Marcel " A leading Christian existentialist. His upbringing was agnostic.[36]
Claude McKay " Bisexual Jamaican poet who went from Communist-leaning atheist to an active Catholic Christian after a stroke.[37][38]
Vittorio Messori " An Italian journalist and writer called the "most translated Catholic writer in the world" by Sandro Magister. Before his conversion in 1964 he had a "perspective as a secularist and agnostic."[39][40][41]
Malcolm Muggeridge " British journalist and author who went from agnosticism to the Catholic Church.[42][43]
Bernard Nathanson - Medical doctor who was a founding member of NARAL, later becoming a Pro-Life proponent.[44]
Fulton Oursler - A writer who was raised Baptist, but spent decades as an agnostic before converting. The Greatest Story Ever Told is based on one of his works.[45][46]
Giovanni Papini " He went from pragmatic atheism to Catholicism, also a Fascist.[47]
Joseph Pearce " An anti-Catholic and agnostic British National Front member who became a devoted Catholic writer with a series on EWTN.[48][49]
Charles P"guy - French poet, essayist, and editor. He went from agnostic humanist to a pro-Republic Catholic.[50]
Sally Read - Eric Gregory Award winning poet who converted to Catholicism.[51]
E. F. Schumacher " Economic thinker known for Small Is Beautiful, his A Guide for the Perplexed criticizes what he termed "materialistic scientism." He went from atheism to Buddhism to Catholicism.[52][53]
Peter Steele - Lead singer of Type O Negative.[54]
Edith Stein - Phenomenologist philosopher who converted to Catholicism and became a Discalced Carmelite nun; declared a saint by John Paul II.[55]
John Lawson Stoddard " Divinity student who became an agnostic and "Scientific humanist." Later he converted to Catholicism. His son Lothrop Stoddard remained agnostic and would be significant to Scientific racism.[56]
R. J. Stove: Raised atheist, converted to Catholicism.[57]
Allen Tate - American poet, essayist and social commentator, and Poet Laureate Consultant in Poetry to the Library of Congress.[58]
Sigrid Undset - Norwegian Nobel laureate who converted to Catholicism from agnosticism.[59]
Evelyn Waugh " British novelist who converted to Catholicism from agnosticism.[60]
John C. Wright - Science fiction author who went from atheist to Christian, specifically Catholic.[61] Chapter 1 of the book "Atheist to Catholic: 11 Stories of Conversion", edited by Rebecca Vitz Cherico, is by him.[62]
Converted to Eastern Orthodox Christianity[edit]
Emir Kusturica - Film-maker, actor, and musician. Although of Muslim ancestry, his father was atheist.[63] He took the name "Nemanja" on conversion in 2005.[64]
Seraphim Rose - Hieromonk and religious writer. In early adulthood he considered non-theist ideas of God and the Philosophy of Friedrich Nietzsche that God is dead. He became Russian Orthodox in 1962.[65][66]
Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn " Nobel Prize-winning dissident author who converted to Russian Orthodoxy.[67]
Converted to Protestantism[edit]
Steve Beren - former member of the Socialist Workers Party (United States) who became a Christian conservative politician.[68]
Francis Collins - physician-geneticist, noted for his landmark discoveries of disease genes, and the director of the National Human Genome Research Institute (former atheist)[69]
Bo Giertz - Swedish Confessional Lutheran Bishop, theologian, and writer.[70]
Keir Hardie " Raised atheist and became a Christian Socialist.[71][72]
Paul Jones " Musician, of Manfred Mann. Previously atheist and in 1967 he argued with Cliff Richard about religion on a TV show.[73][74]
Kang Kek Iew (also known as Comrade Duch) - Cambodian director of Phnom Penh's infamous Tuol Sleng detention center[7]

You do realize that this is meaningless argumentum ad populum and has no evidentiary value regarding the veracity of your religion's claims? (Sorry for cutting off, character limit reached)
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1/6/2015 2:48:03 PM
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At 1/6/2015 1:59:28 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
LOL. That tiny list of people is a drop in the ocean compared to the millions and millions who became atheists.

I have pointed that out (as well as many other flaws of his claims), but for some reason he never responds. It is almost as if he doesn't want to face reality.
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1/6/2015 2:54:05 PM
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I agree atheists sometimes change their worldview just as theists do.

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1/6/2015 3:13:01 PM
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Nietzsche's breaking down in tears over the beating of a horse was telling, dylan. So much for the ubermensch, right?

Honestly, I think the dude just made a parody of himself.
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1/6/2015 3:45:10 PM
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At 1/6/2015 3:14:14 PM, Envisage wrote:
I don't understand the purpose of this thread...

His purpose is, at least, in my mind, to attempt to show that atheism is wrong and Christianity is right.
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1/6/2015 3:56:22 PM
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At 1/6/2015 2:48:03 PM, SNP1 wrote:
At 1/6/2015 1:59:28 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
LOL. That tiny list of people is a drop in the ocean compared to the millions and millions who became atheists.

I have pointed that out (as well as many other flaws of his claims), but for some reason he never responds. It is almost as if he doesn't want to face reality.

Yeah, but you will NEVER find a true born again christian becoming an atheist. And since the bible says ONLY A FEW find God and become real believers, MATT 7:14, your statistics just shows, UNBELIEVERS (not really born again and saved) choosing another false avenue to what they hold on to. Only God and His word reveals TRUTH, not atheism.

Another fact is that since Christianity (those going to heaven, for not all who say, Lord, Lord are saved Jesus said) is a lower number than anyone really knows, for only God knows man's heart, your point is mute.

Why? Because, logic dictates that if Christianity (=relationship with Jesus=Done) is on the lower end of religion (=works=do's and don'ts) and so many ATHEIST became saved/Christians, then what you says is false and the STATISTICS of those who found God/Truth, is actually more amazing than you think it is.

Christians do not become atheist (if they say they did, they are lying it is impossible, for the holy spirit, does not come into someone then leave, the bible says so) the stats are...ZERO.

But for the 1% to 2% (true atheists) who become Christians, these stats are AMAZING.
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1/6/2015 3:58:54 PM
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At 1/6/2015 3:14:14 PM, Envisage wrote:
I don't understand the purpose of this thread...

I think it is called spamming. The Christians feel it is their duty and obligation to silence dissenting criticism of their delusional rabbi who was crucified when he should have been treated. But his mental state is less of a concert to Christisns today. Because
Kathleen Taylor, Neuroscientist, Says Religious Fundamentalism Could Be Treated As A Mental Illness

Quote:
An Oxford University researcher and author specializing in neuroscience has suggested that one day religious fundamentalism may be treated as a curable mental illness."

That includes all fundamentalists and Jesus lobotomized or crucified is hardly a consolation. They never understood him anyway.
But Jesus is not the target of neuroscientists. It is the fundamentalists .
BTW I am going through some of your debates. You sound like the Bart Ehrman I read to prepare for the Christian trilemma. According to C.S.Lewis, Jesus is God, liar or lunatic..
It is so much easier to analyze what his followers are.
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1/6/2015 4:05:09 PM
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At 1/6/2015 3:58:54 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 1/6/2015 3:14:14 PM, Envisage wrote:
I don't understand the purpose of this thread...

I think it is called spamming. The Christians feel it is their duty and obligation to silence dissenting criticism of their delusional rabbi who was crucified when he should have been treated. But his mental state is less of a concert to Christisns today. Because
Kathleen Taylor, Neuroscientist, Says Religious Fundamentalism Could Be Treated As A Mental Illness

Quote:
An Oxford University researcher and author specializing in neuroscience has suggested that one day religious fundamentalism may be treated as a curable mental illness."

That includes all fundamentalists and Jesus lobotomized or crucified is hardly a consolation. They never understood him anyway.
But Jesus is not the target of neuroscientists. It is the fundamentalists .
BTW I am going through some of your debates. You sound like the Bart Ehrman I read to prepare for the Christian trilemma. According to C.S.Lewis, Jesus is God, liar or lunatic..
It is so much easier to analyze what his followers are.

Oo, did you find my "portfolio" thread? Well if you are referring to my debates on Jesus or the historicity of Christianity, a lot of the material is what I read/watched from Erhman, especially regarding the transmission of manuscripts. I am rather agnostic in my actual historic beliefs though.

For example, I am agnostic about the existance of a minimalistic Jesus, and very much agnostic about what Jesus actually did if he did exist. I am not really massively well-read on biblical scholarship though, so I expect there are numerous mistakes in my debates from ignorance.
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1/6/2015 4:05:12 PM
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Question: "What is atheism?"

Answer: Atheism is the view that God does not exist. Atheism is not a new development. Psalm 14:1, written by David around 1000 B.C., mentions atheism: "The fool says in his heart, "There is no God."" Recent statistics show an increasing number of people claiming to be atheists, up to 10 (less in America) percent of people worldwide. So why are more and more people becoming atheists? Is atheism truly the logical position atheists claim it to be?

Why does atheism even exist? Why doesn"t God simply reveal Himself to people, proving that He exists? Surely if God would just appear, the thinking goes, everyone would believe in Him! The problem here is that it is not God"s desire to just convince people that He exists. It is God"s desire for people to believe in Him by faith (2 Peter 3:9) and accept by faith His gift of salvation (John 3:16). God clearly demonstrated His existence many times in the Old Testament (Genesis 6-9; Exodus 14:21-22; 1 Kings 18:19-31). Did the people believe that God exists? Yes. Did they turn from their evil ways and obey God? No. If a person is not willing to accept God"s existence by faith, then he/she is definitely not ready to accept Jesus Christ as Savior by faith (Ephesians 2:8-9). God"s desire is for people to become Christians, not just theists (those who believe God exists).

The Bible tells us that God"s existence must be accepted by faith. Hebrews 11:6 declares, "And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to Him must believe that He exists and that He rewards those who earnestly seek Him." The Bible reminds us that we are blessed when we believe and trust in God by faith: "Then Jesus told him, "Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed"" (John 20:29).

The existence of God must be accepted by faith, but this does not mean belief in God is illogical. There are many good arguments for the existence of God. The Bible teaches that God"s existence is clearly seen in the universe (Psalm 19:1-4), in nature (Romans 1:18-22), and in our own hearts (Ecclesiastes 3:11). With all that said, the existence of God cannot be proven; it must be accepted by faith.

At the same time, it takes just as much faith to believe in atheism. To make the absolute statement "God does not exist" is to make a claim of knowing absolutely everything there is to know about everything and of having been everywhere in the universe and having witnessed everything there is to be seen. Of course, no atheist would make these claims. However, that is essentially what they are claiming when they state that God absolutely does not exist. Atheists cannot prove that God does not, for example, live in the center of the sun, or beneath the clouds of Jupiter, or in some distant nebula. Since those places are beyond our capacity to observe, it cannot be proven that God does not exist. It takes just as much faith to be an atheist as it does to be a theist.

Atheism cannot be proven, and God"s existence must be accepted by faith. Obviously, Christians believe strongly that God exists, and admit that God"s existence is a matter of faith. At the same time, we reject the idea that belief in God is illogical. We believe that God"s existence can be clearly seen, keenly sensed, and proven to be philosophically and scientifically necessary. "The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands. Day after day they pour forth speech; night after night they display knowledge. There is no speech or language where their voice is not heard. Their voice goes out into all the earth, their words to the ends of the world" (Psalm 19:1-4).

Recommended Resources Book: I Don't Have Enough Faith to be an Atheist by Norm Geisler and Frank Turek and The Real Face of Atheism by Ravi Zacharias and Logos Bible Software.

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1/6/2015 4:06:25 PM
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At 1/6/2015 3:56:22 PM, MsTambo wrote:
At 1/6/2015 2:48:03 PM, SNP1 wrote:
At 1/6/2015 1:59:28 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
LOL. That tiny list of people is a drop in the ocean compared to the millions and millions who became atheists.

I have pointed that out (as well as many other flaws of his claims), but for some reason he never responds. It is almost as if he doesn't want to face reality.

Yeah, but you will NEVER find a true born again christian becoming an atheist. And since the bible says ONLY A FEW find God and become real believers, MATT 7:14, your statistics just shows, UNBELIEVERS (not really born again and saved) choosing another false avenue to what they hold on to. Only God and His word reveals TRUTH, not atheism.

Another fact is that since Christianity (those going to heaven, for not all who say, Lord, Lord are saved Jesus said) is a lower number than anyone really knows, for only God knows man's heart, your point is mute.

Why? Because, logic dictates that if Christianity (=relationship with Jesus=Done) is on the lower end of religion (=works=do's and don'ts) and so many ATHEIST became saved/Christians, then what you says is false and the STATISTICS of those who found God/Truth, is actually more amazing than you think it is.

Christians do not become atheist (if they say they did, they are lying it is impossible, for the holy spirit, does not come into someone then leave, the bible says so) the stats are...ZERO.

But for the 1% to 2% (true atheists) who become Christians, these stats are AMAZING.

So your a Calvinist.
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1/6/2015 4:16:42 PM
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At 1/6/2015 3:56:22 PM, MsTambo wrote:

To all of what you just said, I have one thing to reply to it.

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1/6/2015 4:18:22 PM
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At 1/6/2015 4:05:12 PM, MsTambo wrote:
Question: "What is atheism?"

Answer: Atheism is the view that God does not exist. Atheism is not a new development. Psalm 14:1, written by David around 1000 B.C., mentions atheism: "The fool says in his heart, "There is no God."" Recent statistics show an increasing number of people claiming to be atheists, up to 10 (less in America) percent of people worldwide. So why are more and more people becoming atheists? Is atheism truly the logical position atheists claim it to be?

Why does atheism even exist? Why doesn"t God simply reveal Himself to people, proving that He exists? Surely if God would just appear, the thinking goes, everyone would believe in Him! The problem here is that it is not God"s desire to just convince people that He exists. It is God"s desire for people to believe in Him by faith (2 Peter 3:9) and accept by faith His gift of salvation (John 3:16). God clearly demonstrated His existence many times in the Old Testament (Genesis 6-9; Exodus 14:21-22; 1 Kings 18:19-31). Did the people believe that God exists? Yes. Did they turn from their evil ways and obey God? No. If a person is not willing to accept God"s existence by faith, then he/she is definitely not ready to accept Jesus Christ as Savior by faith (Ephesians 2:8-9). God"s desire is for people to become Christians, not just theists (those who believe God exists).

The Bible tells us that God"s existence must be accepted by faith. Hebrews 11:6 declares, "And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to Him must believe that He exists and that He rewards those who earnestly seek Him." The Bible reminds us that we are blessed when we believe and trust in God by faith: "Then Jesus told him, "Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed"" (John 20:29).

The existence of God must be accepted by faith, but this does not mean belief in God is illogical. There are many good arguments for the existence of God. The Bible teaches that God"s existence is clearly seen in the universe (Psalm 19:1-4), in nature (Romans 1:18-22), and in our own hearts (Ecclesiastes 3:11). With all that said, the existence of God cannot be proven; it must be accepted by faith.

At the same time, it takes just as much faith to believe in atheism. To make the absolute statement "God does not exist" is to make a claim of knowing absolutely everything there is to know about everything and of having been everywhere in the universe and having witnessed everything there is to be seen. Of course, no atheist would make these claims. However, that is essentially what they are claiming when they state that God absolutely does not exist. Atheists cannot prove that God does not, for example, live in the center of the sun, or beneath the clouds of Jupiter, or in some distant nebula. Since those places are beyond our capacity to observe, it cannot be proven that God does not exist. It takes just as much faith to be an atheist as it does to be a theist.

Atheism cannot be proven, and God"s existence must be accepted by faith. Obviously, Christians believe strongly that God exists, and admit that God"s existence is a matter of faith. At the same time, we reject the idea that belief in God is illogical. We believe that God"s existence can be clearly seen, keenly sensed, and proven to be philosophically and scientifically necessary. "The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands. Day after day they pour forth speech; night after night they display knowledge. There is no speech or language where their voice is not heard. Their voice goes out into all the earth, their words to the ends of the world" (Psalm 19:1-4).

Recommended Resources Book: I Don't Have Enough Faith to be an Atheist by Norm Geisler and Frank Turek and The Real Face of Atheism by Ravi Zacharias and Logos Bible Software.

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1. " At the same time, we reject the idea that belief in God is illogical. We believe that God"s existence can be clearly seen, keenly sensed, and proven to be philosophically and scientifically necessary."

Outright falsehood. There is no scientific evidence for the existence of any god.

2. "The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands. Day after day they pour forth speech; night after night they display knowledge. There is no speech or language where their voice is not heard. Their voice goes out into all the earth, their words to the ends of the world" (Psalm 19:1-4)."

Self aggrandizement meant to silence critics.

3. "Recommended Resources Book: I Don't Have Enough Faith to be an Atheist by Norm Geisler and Frank Turek and The Real Face of Atheism by Ravi Zacharias and Logos Bible Software."

References from Christian writers and a Christian publishing company. Hardly unbiased and not reliable for the subject in question.

You want to know what an agnostic or an atheist thinks, ask one of us. That is if you're honest in your search for information and not just seeking to support your own opinions.
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1/6/2015 4:34:25 PM
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At 1/6/2015 4:06:25 PM, ChristianPunk wrote:


So your a Calvinist.

Nope wrong, you cannot put a label on me, for I follow no one but God and His word.

Like God and His word, I'm BALANCED so both sides have it right they just don't know it.
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1/6/2015 4:42:14 PM
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"The Is No scientific Proof There Is A God"

Really, look around you, and at your own body, duh!

Romans 1
1 Paul, a servant of Christ Jesus, called to be an apostle and set apart for the gospel of God" 2 the gospel he promised beforehand through his prophets in the Holy Scriptures 3 regarding his Son, who as to his earthly life[a] was a descendant of David, 4 and who through the Spirit of holiness was appointed the Son of God in power[b] by his resurrection from the dead: Jesus Christ our Lord. 5 Through him we received grace and apostleship to call all the Gentiles to the obedience that comes from[c] faith for his name"s sake. 6 And you also are among those Gentiles who are called to belong to Jesus Christ.

7 To all in Rome who are loved by God and called to be his holy people:

Grace and peace to you from God our Father and from the Lord Jesus Christ.

Paul"s Longing to Visit Rome
8 First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for all of you, because your faith is being reported all over the world. 9 God, whom I serve in my spirit in preaching the gospel of his Son, is my witness how constantly I remember you 10 in my prayers at all times; and I pray that now at last by God"s will the way may be opened for me to come to you.

11 I long to see you so that I may impart to you some spiritual gift to make you strong" 12 that is, that you and I may be mutually encouraged by each other"s faith. 13 I do not want you to be unaware, brothers and sisters,[d] that I planned many times to come to you (but have been prevented from doing so until now) in order that I might have a harvest among you, just as I have had among the other Gentiles.

14 I am obligated both to Greeks and non-Greeks, both to the wise and the foolish. 15 That is why I am so eager to preach the gospel also to you who are in Rome.

16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes: first to the Jew, then to the Gentile. 17 For in the gospel the righteousness of God is revealed"a righteousness that is by faith from first to last,[e] just as it is written: "The righteous will live by faith."[f]

God"s Wrath Against Sinful Humanity
18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God"s invisible qualities"his eternal power and divine nature"have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.

21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.

24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator"who is forever praised. Amen.

26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. 29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. 32 Although they know God"s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.
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1/6/2015 5:03:06 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/6/2015 4:05:12 PM, MsTambo wrote:
Question: "What is atheism?"

Answer: Atheism is the view that God does not exist. Atheism is not a new development. Psalm 14:1, written by David around 1000 B.C., mentions atheism: "The fool says in his heart, "There is no God."" Recent statistics show an increasing number of people claiming to be atheists, up to 10 (less in America) percent of people worldwide. So why are more and more people becoming atheists? Is atheism truly the logical position atheists claim it to be?

Why does atheism even exist? Why doesn"t God simply reveal Himself to people, proving that He exists? Surely if God would just appear, the thinking goes, everyone would believe in Him! The problem here is that it is not God"s desire to just convince people that He exists. It is God"s desire for people to believe in Him by faith (2 Peter 3:9) and accept by faith His gift of salvation (John 3:16). God clearly demonstrated His existence many times in the Old Testament (Genesis 6-9; Exodus 14:21-22; 1 Kings 18:19-31). Did the people believe that God exists? Yes. Did they turn from their evil ways and obey God? No. If a person is not willing to accept God"s existence by faith, then he/she is definitely not ready to accept Jesus Christ as Savior by faith (Ephesians 2:8-9). God"s desire is for people to become Christians, not just theists (those who believe God exists).

The Bible tells us that God"s existence must be accepted by faith. Hebrews 11:6 declares, "And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to Him must believe that He exists and that He rewards those who earnestly seek Him." The Bible reminds us that we are blessed when we believe and trust in God by faith: "Then Jesus told him, "Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed"" (John 20:29).

The existence of God must be accepted by faith, but this does not mean belief in God is illogical. There are many good arguments for the existence of God. The Bible teaches that God"s existence is clearly seen in the universe (Psalm 19:1-4), in nature (Romans 1:18-22), and in our own hearts (Ecclesiastes 3:11). With all that said, the existence of God cannot be proven; it must be accepted by faith.

At the same time, it takes just as much faith to believe in atheism. To make the absolute statement "God does not exist" is to make a claim of knowing absolutely everything there is to know about everything and of having been everywhere in the universe and having witnessed everything there is to be seen. Of course, no atheist would make these claims. However, that is essentially what they are claiming when they state that God absolutely does not exist. Atheists cannot prove that God does not, for example, live in the center of the sun, or beneath the clouds of Jupiter, or in some distant nebula. Since those places are beyond our capacity to observe, it cannot be proven that God does not exist. It takes just as much faith to be an atheist as it does to be a theist.

Atheism cannot be proven, and God"s existence must be accepted by faith. Obviously, Christians believe strongly that God exists, and admit that God"s existence is a matter of faith. At the same time, we reject the idea that belief in God is illogical. We believe that God"s existence can be clearly seen, keenly sensed, and proven to be philosophically and scientifically necessary. "The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands. Day after day they pour forth speech; night after night they display knowledge. There is no speech or language where their voice is not heard. Their voice goes out into all the earth, their words to the ends of the world" (Psalm 19:1-4).

Recommended Resources Book: I Don't Have Enough Faith to be an Atheist by Norm Geisler and Frank Turek and The Real Face of Atheism by Ravi Zacharias and Logos Bible Software.

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Does God exist? Is there evidence for the existence of God?

What is the New Atheism?

Can man live without God?

Is God imaginary?

Questions about False Doctrine

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Please go away with your C&P crap that is also irrelevant to the OP. This is a debate forum, not a preach forum.
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1/6/2015 6:12:14 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/6/2015 4:34:25 PM, MsTambo wrote:
At 1/6/2015 4:06:25 PM, ChristianPunk wrote:


So your a Calvinist.

Nope wrong, you cannot put a label on me, for I follow no one but God and His word.

Like God and His word, I'm BALANCED so both sides have it right they just don't know it.

A Calvinist is somebody who believes only few will get into heaven. This few is considered The Elect. These are people that God specifically chosen to enter into heaven since he is all knowing and just in their eyes. John Calvin is the denomination's founder and is the influence of the Westboro Baptist Church.

http://youtu.be...

The problem I have with people believing in this doctrine of only few enter heaven is that this defeats the purpose of Jesus telling his disciples to make disciples of all nations. So sharing the gospel is useless if only few get into heaven.
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1/6/2015 8:02:24 PM
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Why would atheists convert to christianity?
Is it because perhaps they were in seeking religion and embrace the well known religion, i.e. christianity?
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1/6/2015 8:09:08 PM
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There are also a lot of Christians who have deconverted to atheism. Most of them great scientists and physicists. Maybe it takes all kinds of thinkers to make a balanced society that can progress and evolve.
A rock pile ceases to be a rock pile the moment a single man contemplates it, bearing within him the image of a cathedral."
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1/6/2015 8:23:55 PM
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What is the point of this? So atheists became Christians. Some became muslims. Some became hindus. etc.

Some took the opposite from theism to atheism.

Nothing proven here besides a change in thinking.
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1/6/2015 9:08:27 PM
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Ha, Ha, see that is the difference between me and you atheist, you can't put down in your own words what you believe. Unlike you, I present my BELIEFS in LONG, ARTICULATE, THOUGHT OUT ARTICLES, backing them up with LOGIC, REASONING, FACTS, EXAMPLES, BIBLE VERSES, and sometimes other resources....I do not have time to go deep into all your erroneous questions, so I will go to the sources I trust that have the TRUTH, to BACK up what I have already said. But, you want everyone to go to your sources, because you really do not know what you believe, nor do you have any truth. All you do is ATTACK, not PRESENT...you know why?

Because, GOD PUT IN EVERY MAN THE DESIRE TO KNOW HIM....And Romans 1 says YOU ARE WITHOUT EXCUSE.....and no mental denial will change that....;)
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1/6/2015 9:13:07 PM
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At 1/6/2015 8:02:24 PM, uncung wrote:
Why would atheists convert to christianity?
Is it because perhaps they were in seeking religion and embrace the well known religion, i.e. christianity?

No, because God REVEALED TRUTH to them and they accepted it....it's as simple as that. But no one can convince a true born again christian who has the INDWELLING OF THE HOLY SPIRIT IN THEM AND NEVER LEAVES, to become an atheist. If one says so, they are lying. It is IMPOSSIBLE,

Matthew 7:21-23

I NEVER KNEW YOU...The word KNEW means INTIMATELY...look it up.

21 "Not everyone who says to Me, "Lord, Lord," shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, "Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?" 23 And then I will declare to them, "I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!"
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1/6/2015 9:20:26 PM
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KNOW, KNOWLEDGE
The Old Testament. The Hebrew root yada [[;d"y],translated "know"/"knowledge, " appears almost 950 times in the Hebrew Bible. It has a wider sweep than our English word "know, " including perceiving,learning, understanding, willing, performing, and experiencing. To know is not to be intellectually informed about some abstract principle, but to apprehend and experience reality. Knowledge is not the possession of information, but rather its exercise or actualization.
Thus, biblically to know God is not to know about him in an abstract and impersonal manner, but rather to enter into his saving actions ( Micah 6:5 ). To know God is not to struggle philosophically with his eternal essence, but rather to recognize and accept his claims. It is not some mystical contemplation, but dutiful obedience.

In the doing of justice and righteousness, Josiah is said to have known God ( Jer 22:15-16 ).True knowledge of God involves obeying the stipulations of his covenant. It is expressed in living conformity to his will. The opposite of knowledge is not ignorance, but rebellion ( Jer22:11-14 ).

To know is to realize the loss of children ( Isa 47:8 ), grief ( Isa 53:3 ), guilt ( Jer 3:13 ),expediency ( Eccl 8:5 ),conversion ( Jer16:19-21 ), and judgment ( Eze 25:14 ).

The word "know" reflects a variety of skills and professional abilities such as hunting ( Gen25:27 ), sailing ( 1Kings 9:27 ), playing the harp ( 1 Sam 16:16 ),professional mourning ( Amos 5:16 ), and reading ( Isa 29:11 ).It also is used to indicate the ability to distinguish between good and evil ( Gen 3:5 ; Isa 7:15 ), the left and right hand ( Jonah4:11 ), the wise and the foolish ( Eccl 2:19 ), the desirable and the undesirable ( 2 Sam 19:35 ), and life and death ( 2Sam 12:22 ).

The word "know" is used as a euphemism for sex and intercourse: Adam knew his wife Eve and she became pregnant ( Gen 4:1 ). Women who have "known" a man are no longer virgins ( Numbers 31:17 Numbers 31:35 ).In his declining days David had an attractive attendant who served him but did not have sexual relationships with him ( 1 Kings 1:4 ). Even sexual perversions such as sodomy ( Gen 19:5 ; Judges 19:22 ) and rape ( Judges 19:25 )are designated by the word "know."

The word "know" is used also to express acquaintance with a person. Jacobquestioned the shepherds of Haran, "Do you know Laban?" ( Gen 29:5 ). The pual participle of the Hebrew word indicates a close friend ( Job 19:14 ; Psalm 55:13 ), a neighbor ( Psalm31:11 ), a companion ( Psalms 88:8 Psalms 88:18 ),and a relative ( Ruth2:1 ).

Divine-human relationships are also expressed by this term. The Lord knew Moses very well""by name" ( Exodus 33:11 Exodus 33:12 Exodus 33:17 ).Moses sought a reciprocal acquaintance with God ( Exod 33:13 ). The psalmist is amazed at God's intimate knowledge ( Psalm 139:6 ) of his personal life, his daily activities ( 139:1-2 ), even his unuttered and unformed thoughts ( 139:4 ).

The fact that God knows often indicates divine choice. He knew Jeremiah before his birth, singling him out to be a prophet ( Jer 1:5 ). He chose Abraham to be the father of a great nation ( Gen 18:19 ). The statement of am 3:2, "You (Israel) only have I chosen of all the families of the earth, " indicates divine selection. It is the way of the righteous that the Lord knows, endorses, and cherishes ( Psalm 1:6 ).

"Know" also is used as a treaty term. To know is to acknowledge. Thus when the new king of Egypt did not know Joseph ( Exod 1:8 ) he did not recognize the agreement that had been developed between Joseph and Pharaoh at the time his family came to Egypt. While the ox and donkey know their owner, Israel does not know ( Isa 1:3 ). More than instinct is intended here. Loyalty to the covenant is clearly in mind since the witnesses of that covenant are invoked ( Isa 1:2 ). Moses demands that those who had stood at Mount Sinai and entered into covenant with the Lord acknowledge that agreement and live by it ( Deut 11:1-25 ).

The New Testament. The Greek words commonly translated know are oida [ei [dw] and ginosko [ginwvskw].These words have the various nuances of meaning of the English word "know." They have been influenced by the Hebrew word yada [[;d"y], such influence having been mediated through the Septuagint, but they also reflect an adaptation demanded by a pagan world ignorant of God's existence.

The New Testament emphasizes that knowing God is not simply an intellectual apprehension, but a response of faith and an acceptance of Christ. It is he who has made God known ( John 1:18 ).To know Christ is to know God ( John 14:7 ). Eternal life is to know the true God and Jesus Christ ( John 17:3 ). Paul desires to know Christ in his death and resurrection ( Php 3:10 ). Failure to know Jesus as Lord and Messiah ( Acts 2:36 ) resulted in his rejection and crucifixion ( 1 Cor 2:8 ).

To know Christ is to know truth ( John 8:32 ). While this is personal, it is also propositional. Knowledge of the truth ( 1 Tim 2:4 ; 2 Tim 2:25 ; 3:7 ; Titus 1:1 ) is both enlightenment and acceptance of the cognitive aspects of faith.

Paul uses the rhetorical question, "Don't you know?" several times in 1 Corinthians ( 3:16 ; 5:6 ; 1 Corinthians 6:2 1 Corinthians 6:3 1 Corinthians 6:9 1 Corinthians 6:15 ; 1 Corinthians 9:13 1 Corinthians 9:24 ). This may be an appeal to common knowledge, or a reference to a corpus of teaching that the apostle had communicated.

Affirmations about God's knowledge are more limited in the New Testament than in the Old Testament. He knows the human heart ( Luke 16:15 ). He knows his children's needs such as clothing and food ( Matt 6:32 ). He even anticipates our petitions ( Matt 6:8 ). In fact,he knows everything ( 1 John 3:20 ).

Jesus uniquely knows God ( John 8:55 "here knowledge and obedience are equated ). He knows the hidden designs of his questioners( Luke 11:17 ). He is also perceptive of humankind. Nowhere is his penetrating knowledge noted more than it is in the Fourth Gospel ( 2:25 ; 5:42 ; 6:64 ; 10:14 John 14 ; John 13:1 John 13:11 ; 18:4 ; 19:28 ).

The limits of human knowledge are recognized in the New Testament. It is not through wisdom that the world knows God, but rather through the divine initiative ( Gal 4:8-9 ). It is through the kerygma that humans can know God ( 1 Cor 1:20-25 ).Spiritual discernment is not the result of profane reasoning ( 1 Tim 6:20 ). God's revelation in Christ has made knowledge of him possible. But at best, this knowledge is partial. Perfection in the area of knowledge is reserved for the age to come ( 1 Cor 13:12 ).
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1/6/2015 9:23:37 PM
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No, because God REVEALED TRUTH to them and they accepted it....it's as simple as that. But no one can convince a true born again christian who has the INDWELLING OF THE HOLY SPIRIT IN THEM AND NEVER LEAVES, to become an atheist. If one says so, they are lying. It is IMPOSSIBLE,

Matthew 7:21-23

I NEVER KNEW YOU...The word KNEW means INTIMATELY...look it up.

21 "Not everyone who says to Me, "Lord, Lord," shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, "Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?" 23 And then I will declare to them, "I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!"

Then why only them were chosen to be revealed the truth by God? And why that being, holi spirit only indwelling in some people ? in this case your holi spirit is not fair.
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1/6/2015 9:29:31 PM
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easy, or maybe not...check out what I above your post. That will explain it...good question...:)
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1/6/2015 9:33:34 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/6/2015 9:29:31 PM, MsTambo wrote:
easy, or maybe not...check out what I above your post. That will explain it...good question...:)

How do you know they prayed before embracing christianity?