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omelet
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6/18/2010 1:39:10 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Can an all-powerful God create a holy book so unambiguous that it wouldn't be widely misinterpreted?

If so, do you think he has done this? If so, which book?

Just a question for all the theists out there.
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6/18/2010 2:15:43 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/18/2010 1:39:10 PM, omelet wrote:
Can an all-powerful God create a holy book so unambiguous that it wouldn't be widely misinterpreted?

If so, do you think he has done this? If so, which book?

Just a question for all the theists out there.

It would be possible if God didn't want to be worshiped through faith.
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6/18/2010 2:19:12 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/18/2010 2:15:43 PM, whatledge wrote:
At 6/18/2010 1:39:10 PM, omelet wrote:
Can an all-powerful God create a holy book so unambiguous that it wouldn't be widely misinterpreted?

If so, do you think he has done this? If so, which book?

Just a question for all the theists out there.

It would be possible if God didn't want to be worshiped through faith.

Heh, exactly. It would be too easy then. This life is only a test.
GeoLaureate8
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6/18/2010 2:21:17 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/18/2010 2:19:12 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
Heh, exactly. It would be too easy then. This life is only a test.

You don't even have a religion, and thus no doctrine concerning the nature of God. How do you know what God wants? lol.
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6/18/2010 2:23:00 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Omnipotence doesn't mean you have to act with full ability all the time.

As for the Bible, yeah I guess. Your point is?
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6/18/2010 2:23:46 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/18/2010 2:23:00 PM, Zetsubou wrote:
Omnipotence doesn't mean you have to act with full ability all the time.



As for the Bible, yeah I guess. Your point is?

If you mean the original Bible then maybe, other than that, no.
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6/18/2010 2:27:00 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/18/2010 2:23:46 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 6/18/2010 2:23:00 PM, Zetsubou wrote:
Omnipotence doesn't mean you have to act with full ability all the time.



As for the Bible, yeah I guess. Your point is?

If you mean the original Bible then maybe, other than that, no.

What?
'sup DDO -- july 2013
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6/18/2010 2:28:39 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/18/2010 2:27:00 PM, Zetsubou wrote:
At 6/18/2010 2:23:46 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 6/18/2010 2:23:00 PM, Zetsubou wrote:
Omnipotence doesn't mean you have to act with full ability all the time.



As for the Bible, yeah I guess. Your point is?

If you mean the original Bible then maybe, other than that, no.

What?

The original, non-altered Bible. Then again, I really doubt there's any religious that isn't without various interpretations.
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6/18/2010 2:29:01 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/18/2010 2:28:39 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 6/18/2010 2:27:00 PM, Zetsubou wrote:
At 6/18/2010 2:23:46 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 6/18/2010 2:23:00 PM, Zetsubou wrote:
Omnipotence doesn't mean you have to act with full ability all the time.



As for the Bible, yeah I guess. Your point is?

If you mean the original Bible then maybe, other than that, no.

What?

The original, non-altered Bible. Then again, I really doubt there's any religious that isn't without various interpretations.

*religious book
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6/18/2010 2:30:20 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/18/2010 2:28:39 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 6/18/2010 2:27:00 PM, Zetsubou wrote:
At 6/18/2010 2:23:46 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 6/18/2010 2:23:00 PM, Zetsubou wrote:
Omnipotence doesn't mean you have to act with full ability all the time.



As for the Bible, yeah I guess. Your point is?

If you mean the original Bible then maybe, other than that, no.

What?

The original, non-altered Bible. Then again, I really doubt there's any religious that isn't without various interpretations.

All holy texts have been fiddled with.
'sup DDO -- july 2013
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6/18/2010 2:31:19 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/18/2010 2:30:20 PM, Zetsubou wrote:
At 6/18/2010 2:28:39 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 6/18/2010 2:27:00 PM, Zetsubou wrote:
At 6/18/2010 2:23:46 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 6/18/2010 2:23:00 PM, Zetsubou wrote:
Omnipotence doesn't mean you have to act with full ability all the time.



As for the Bible, yeah I guess. Your point is?

If you mean the original Bible then maybe, other than that, no.

What?

The original, non-altered Bible. Then again, I really doubt there's any religious that isn't without various interpretations.

All holy texts have been fiddled with.

Not the Qur'an, well unless you're a Shi'a then you believe like half of it is missing.
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6/18/2010 2:33:49 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/18/2010 2:31:19 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 6/18/2010 2:30:20 PM, Zetsubou wrote:
At 6/18/2010 2:28:39 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 6/18/2010 2:27:00 PM, Zetsubou wrote:
At 6/18/2010 2:23:46 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 6/18/2010 2:23:00 PM, Zetsubou wrote:
Omnipotence doesn't mean you have to act with full ability all the time.



As for the Bible, yeah I guess. Your point is?

If you mean the original Bible then maybe, other than that, no.

What?

The original, non-altered Bible. Then again, I really doubt there's any religious that isn't without various interpretations.

All holy texts have been fiddled with.

Not the Qur'an, well unless you're a Shi'a then you believe like half of it is missing.

Jannah, read a book that Mirza has not told you to read. Just try it.
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6/18/2010 2:34:31 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/18/2010 2:33:49 PM, Zetsubou wrote:
At 6/18/2010 2:31:19 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 6/18/2010 2:30:20 PM, Zetsubou wrote:
At 6/18/2010 2:28:39 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 6/18/2010 2:27:00 PM, Zetsubou wrote:
At 6/18/2010 2:23:46 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 6/18/2010 2:23:00 PM, Zetsubou wrote:
Omnipotence doesn't mean you have to act with full ability all the time.



As for the Bible, yeah I guess. Your point is?

If you mean the original Bible then maybe, other than that, no.

What?

The original, non-altered Bible. Then again, I really doubt there's any religious that isn't without various interpretations.

All holy texts have been fiddled with.

Not the Qur'an, well unless you're a Shi'a then you believe like half of it is missing.

Jannah, read a book that Mirza has not told you to read. Just try it.

Mirza hasn't told me to read anything.
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6/18/2010 2:35:13 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/18/2010 2:32:23 PM, theLwerd wrote:
Insert why is this life a test?

Your actions in this life will determine where you end up in the afterlife.
Danielle
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6/18/2010 2:36:38 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/18/2010 2:35:13 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 6/18/2010 2:32:23 PM, theLwerd wrote:
Insert why is this life a test?

Your actions in this life will determine where you end up in the afterlife.

What about faith? Is that a test? In other words, God challenges faith and the noble believe, right? Also, you know there's an after-life simply because your holy book says so, correct?
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6/18/2010 2:40:24 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/18/2010 2:35:13 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 6/18/2010 2:32:23 PM, theLwerd wrote:
Insert why is this life a test?

Your actions in this life will determine where you end up in the afterlife.

Why would a God bother? All he's doing is wilfully condemning people to hell for absolutely no reason other than to get some form of enjoyment out of it. Why not just skip a step if he wants to show his creation lover?
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6/18/2010 2:42:18 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/18/2010 2:19:12 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 6/18/2010 2:15:43 PM, whatledge wrote:
At 6/18/2010 1:39:10 PM, omelet wrote:
Can an all-powerful God create a holy book so unambiguous that it wouldn't be widely misinterpreted?

If so, do you think he has done this? If so, which book?

Just a question for all the theists out there.

It would be possible if God didn't want to be worshiped through faith.

Heh, exactly. It would be too easy then. This life is only a test.

Life is test to weed out those who accept things on poor evidence and those who don't? And the former is punished? o.O
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6/18/2010 2:43:46 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/18/2010 2:36:38 PM, theLwerd wrote:
At 6/18/2010 2:35:13 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 6/18/2010 2:32:23 PM, theLwerd wrote:
Insert why is this life a test?

Your actions in this life will determine where you end up in the afterlife.

What about faith? Is that a test? In other words, God challenges faith and the noble believe, right? Also, you know there's an after-life simply because your holy book says so, correct?

I would say it is, yes. If there was definite irrefutable evidence then everybody would believe and that would make it too easy.

Well there has been speculations that after a person dies the soul leaves the body and such so no, my belief in the afterlife isn't entirely based on a holy book.
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6/18/2010 2:44:16 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
I'd like to know why life on earth is necessary. Why not just create people worthy of heaven then put them in there? Why create beings you know are headed for an eternity of punishment in the first place?
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6/18/2010 2:45:23 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/18/2010 2:42:18 PM, Kinesis wrote:
At 6/18/2010 2:19:12 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 6/18/2010 2:15:43 PM, whatledge wrote:
At 6/18/2010 1:39:10 PM, omelet wrote:
Can an all-powerful God create a holy book so unambiguous that it wouldn't be widely misinterpreted?

If so, do you think he has done this? If so, which book?

Just a question for all the theists out there.

It would be possible if God didn't want to be worshiped through faith.

Heh, exactly. It would be too easy then. This life is only a test.

Life is test to weed out those who accept things on poor evidence and those who don't? And the former is punished? o.O

Whoops, I meant the latter. If only. :)
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6/18/2010 2:45:28 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/18/2010 2:36:38 PM, theLwerd wrote:
At 6/18/2010 2:35:13 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 6/18/2010 2:32:23 PM, theLwerd wrote:
Insert why is this life a test?

Your actions in this life will determine where you end up in the afterlife.

What about faith? Is that a test? In other words, God challenges faith and the noble believe, right? Also, you know there's an after-life simply because your holy book says so, correct?

Also, you believe there's an after-life simply because your holy book says so, correct?

I think this makes more sense
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6/18/2010 2:47:36 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/18/2010 2:43:46 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
Well there has been speculations that after a person dies the soul leaves the body and such so no, my belief in the afterlife isn't entirely based on a holy book.

Lol. Speculations aren't evidence, not even weak evidence.

And how do you have a holy book or belief about the afterlife? You have no religion? Islam? Baha'i? Sikhism?

Islam says afterlife. Baha'i says evolving through different worlds. Sikhism says reincarnation.

Which is it?
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6/18/2010 2:49:39 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/18/2010 2:43:46 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
Well there has been speculations that after a person dies the soul leaves the body and such so no, my belief in the afterlife isn't entirely based on a holy book.

I see. So your belief is based on speculation + holy book. Much better then.
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6/18/2010 2:50:50 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/18/2010 2:49:39 PM, Kinesis wrote:
At 6/18/2010 2:43:46 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
Well there has been speculations that after a person dies the soul leaves the body and such so no, my belief in the afterlife isn't entirely based on a holy book.

I see. So your belief is based on speculation + holy book. Much better then.

Atheist beliefs are based on speculation just as much as theist beliefs are. Show me 100% proof God DOESN'T exist. I bet you can't.
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6/18/2010 2:52:20 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/18/2010 2:50:50 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 6/18/2010 2:49:39 PM, Kinesis wrote:
At 6/18/2010 2:43:46 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
Well there has been speculations that after a person dies the soul leaves the body and such so no, my belief in the afterlife isn't entirely based on a holy book.

I see. So your belief is based on speculation + holy book. Much better then.

Atheist beliefs are based on speculation just as much as theist beliefs are. Show me 100% proof God DOESN'T exist. I bet you can't.

...you just lost with that statment.
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6/18/2010 2:52:48 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/18/2010 2:44:16 PM, Kinesis wrote:
I'd like to know why life on earth is necessary. Why not just create people worthy of heaven then put them in there? Why create beings you know are headed for an eternity of punishment in the first place?

Why not the opposite?
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6/18/2010 2:53:37 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/18/2010 2:50:50 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
Show me 100% proof God DOESN'T exist. I bet you can't.

Demanding Negative Proof fallacy. The burden is on the person making the claim.
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6/18/2010 2:57:51 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/18/2010 2:52:20 PM, Zetsubou wrote:
At 6/18/2010 2:50:50 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 6/18/2010 2:49:39 PM, Kinesis wrote:
At 6/18/2010 2:43:46 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
Well there has been speculations that after a person dies the soul leaves the body and such so no, my belief in the afterlife isn't entirely based on a holy book.

I see. So your belief is based on speculation + holy book. Much better then.

Atheist beliefs are based on speculation just as much as theist beliefs are. Show me 100% proof God DOESN'T exist. I bet you can't.

...you just lost with that statment.

No, both sides lose as neither side has the ability to present 100% proof to back up their beliefs.
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6/18/2010 3:03:49 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/18/2010 2:57:51 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
No, both sides lose as neither side has the ability to present 100% proof to back up their beliefs.

Let's apply this to Big Foot. One group says he doesn't exist, the other group says he does. Who has to bring proof?
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