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1/18/2015 4:03:09 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
That's right you so called "Christians"... Meet the Real Jesus Many, Including You Hate!

"You Fools! You Hypocrites! You Snakes!"

These words are taken from the very words of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, spoken to the Scribes and Pharisees in Jerusalem. You know..... The Jews in Jerusalem, you "Christians" rally around and give the upmost loyal support and devotion to.

Let"s take a Scriptural look at a side of Jesus that most Christians will not believe, even when they see Him in their own Bibles.

Who were the Scribes and Pharisees?

The Pharisees were not the priests, but rather people from all walks of life who were very pious and strict keepers of the Law of Moses. They constantly adjusted the Law to fit the changing world according to their traditions and own desires. Among the more educated of the Pharisees were the Scrible and the rulers of the Jews:

"In the modern sense they [the Scribes] were the religious scholars or theologians " sometimes called lawyers " or teachers of the law "could make judicial decisions based on Scriptural exegesis, occupied important positions in the Sanhedrin " played a major role in bringing on the crucifixion of Jesus" and they "mainly belonged to the party of the Pharisees" (WYCLIFFE Bible Dictionary, p. 1536).

Jesus called the Scribes and Pharisees "fools, hypocrites, blind guides, whited sepulchers, murderers, a generation of snakes," and many such epithets. Jesus called them "hypocrites" seven times in one chapter. He spoke with scathing derision to the Scribes and Pharisees throughout His ministry; very few of them received a kind word from Him.

And yet countless Christians claim that Jesus never spoke like this or ever said a cruel or angry word in His life. Oh but Jesus surely did speak harshly, demeaningly, and with great anger in His voice to the Scribes and Pharisees"the religious Leaders of God"s Church. Jesus was not mild and soft-spoken when it came to the sins and hypocrisy of these church leaders. Too many Christians have read the teachings of Jesus with rose-colored glasses covering both their eyes and their minds.

When the Pharisees asked Jesus, "Why do your disciples"?" Jesus didn"t softly answer their question, rather He retorted back with, "Why do YOU"?" Jesus was never on the defensive, but always on the offensive. Using the vernacular, He was "IN THEIR FACE!"

Do any believe Jesus was referencing farm animals when He said not to cast pearls or give what is holy to "the DOGS and PIGS?"

Jesus referred to the recalcitrant Jewish leaders as, "an EVIL and ADULTEROUS generation," "SERPENTS and SNAKES," and "children of the DEVIL." Why He even told the Scribes and Pharisees regarding the royal and mighty King Herod: "Go ye, and tell that FOX [that JACKAL]""

JESUS UPBRAIDS THE CHURCH LEADERS

There are many examples of Jesus upbraiding the Church leaders for their gross sins [selections from Matthew 23]:

"But WOE unto you, Scribes and Pharisees, HYPOCRITES" FOR YOU SHUT UP THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN AGAINST MEN"

"THEY BIND HEAVY BURDENS and GRIEVOUS to be borne, and lay them on men"s shoulders; but will not move them with ONE OF THEIR FINGERS

WOE unto you, Scribes and Pharisees, HYPOCRITES" you DEVOUR WIDOW"S HOUSES" you shall receive the greater damnation.

WOE unto you, Scribes and Pharisees, HYPOCRITES"

WOE unto you, ye BLIND GUIDES"

You FOOLS AND BLIND"

WOE unto you, Scribes and Pharisees, HYPOCRITES! You" have omitted" JUDGMENT, MERCY, and FAITH"

You BLIND GUIDES, which strain out a gnat, and SWALLOW A CAMEL.

WOE unto you, Scribes and Pharisees, HYPOCRITES" within they are full of EXTORTION AND EXCESS.

You BLIND PHARISEES"

WOE unto you, Scribes and Pharisees, HYPOCRITES! You are FULL OF DEAD MEN"S BONES, and ALL UNCLEANESS" and HYPOCRISY and INIQUITY"

WOE unto you, Scribes and Pharisees, HYPOCRITES!" you are the children of them which KILLED the prophets. FILL YOU UP then the measure of your fathers.

You SERPENTS, you GENERATION OF SNAKES" you KILL AND CRUCIFY" you SCOURGE in your synagogues" Behold your house is left unto you DESOLATE"!!

WOW! Every one of these comments from Matt. 23 were spoken directly to the "Religious Scholars and Theologians" in the Church of God centered at the Temple in Jerusalem. Would Jesus speak in the same manner to the Religious Scholars and Theologians in God"s Church today? Does Jesus "change"? NO. Has the Church changed in the past 2000 years? YES. It has gotten WORSE.

Now I assure you that I have never personally referred to the religious hypocrites of our day with all the descriptive words that Jesus used. Yet I am "cursed" and "condemned to hell" for merely exposing the heresy of religious leaders and teachers. Positively no one in Christendom would ever sanction such a manner of speech from a minister in their denomination. There isn"t a denomination in all Christendom that would hire Jesus as their pastor if He were to return today. Why they would throw him out the door on His ear before He got ten minutes into His first sermon. Christians are offended that I would even point out these historical facts of Scripture. They really don"t want to believe Jesus spoke as He did, even though it"s all right there in their Bibles. Most of the followers of the Scribes and Pharisees thought them to be virtually perfect, just as the modern Church scholars, teachers, and preachers are thought by their followers to be perfect.
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1/18/2015 4:53:19 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
I saw the topic MEET the REAL JESUS "CHRISTIANS" HATE and thought, this should be interesting.

So WHERE is this REAL JESUS you advertised about?

Seems you have everything covered with pebbles, but NO REAL JESUS to speak of.
Not even a false one.

Did I miss something?
Life is what YOU make it,
Most just try and fake it...
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1/18/2015 8:41:15 PM
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The Prophet Malachi bears witness of the corruption that came into the Old Covenant Church of God. Jesus dealt with this same corruption while He was building His own New Covenant Church. Just as the Old, the New also quickly began corrupting from within. Hardly a person alive believes that there is more corruption in the 21st century Church of God than in the 1st century Church of God. Get ready for some startling prophecies that prove what evils lurk in our hallowed halls of Christendom.

And except your righteousness far exceed the righteousness of the scholars and theologians in today"s world of Christendom, you shall in no case enter into the Kingdom of Heaven. Below are some Scriptures describing these conditions spilling over from the Jewish leaders into the Church that Jesus built.

VESSELS IN A GREAT HOUSE

Listen carefully, for these prophecies are not directed toward the world of unbelievers, but to the Church of God:

"But in A GREAT HOUSE there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth and some to honor, and some to dishonor" (II Tim. 2:20).

Just what is this "great house" of which Paul speaks? Let Paul answer:

"But if I tarry long, that you may know how you ought to behave yourself in the House of God which is The Church of the Living God, the pillar and ground of the truth" (I Tim. 3:15).

The Apostle Peter tells us that this House of God definitely needs judging:

"For the time is come that JUDGMENT must begin at The House of God"" (I Pet. 4:17).

If the "House of God" needed judgment in the days of the Apostles, how much more judgment does it need today? And what did Paul prophesy would happen in this "GREAT House" in our day, "in the LATTER TIMES?" Let"s read it from the source:

"Now the Spirit speaks expressly, that in the LATTER TIMES some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; speaking LIES IN HYPOCRISY; having their conscience seared with a hot iron" (I Tim. 4:1).

And this:

"This, know also, that IN THE LAST DAYS, perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent [without self-control], fierce [brutal], despisers of those that are good, traitors, heady [reckless], high-minded [haughty], lovers of pleasures more than [rather than] lovers of God; having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away" EVER learning, and NEVER able to come to the knowledge of the truth" (II Tim. 3:1-7).

Some Christians naively believe Paul and all these prophecies are speaking of the whole world, of mankind in general. Oh no they aren't: It is not the atheistic heathen world which has "departed from the faith," who "blaspheme God," who have a "form of godliness," or who have "turned away from such." Oh no. It is the HOUSE OF GOD that has done these things and continues to do them.

For sure Paul didn"t say that the vessels in this great house would wax "better and better." Let Paul answer again by continuing his prophecy in II Tim. 3. We ended with verse 7, so let"s pick it up again in verse 8:

"Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do THESE [these vessels of dishonor in God"s House] also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the truth. But they shall proceed [Gk: "increase, advance, grow"] no further [Just as Jannes and Jambres could resist God only so far and no further, so too, will these corrupt-minded reprobates in God"s House cease to deceive God"s church, when God makes all secrets known to all]: for their folly shall be manifest unto all, as theirs [Jannes & Jambres] was." (II Tim. 3:8-9).

Notice Paul"s stern warning:

"For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things to draw away disciples after them" (Acts 20:29-30).

WHO IS IT THAT WILL GET "WORSE & WORSE?"

"Yes, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution. But EVIL MEN AND SEDUCERS [Gk: "imposters"] SHALL WAX [grow] WORSE AND WORSE, deceiving, and being deceived" (II Tim. 3:13).

And just who is it that grows "worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived?" The men and women of the world? The pagans and heathens? Is this what Paul means? Of course not. These are the leaders of the Church.

"Preach the word; [the WHOLE Word of God]; be instant in season, out of season, reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine [Who? The world? The pagans? The atheist? Why they have never had sound doctrine in the first place] but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables" (II Tim. 4:2-4).

The heathen nations of the 21st century are not "turning away from the truth unto fables." They have never as nations had the truth.

Notice also Peter"s stern warning regarding what was happening in the past in his time, and what was prophesied to continue until our time and beyond:

"But there were false prophets [a "prophet" can mean one who speaks in behalf of God] also among the people, even as there shall be [future] false teachers among you [and among US], who privily shall bring in [Gk: smuggle in] DAMNABLE HERESIES, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. And MANY shall follow their pernicious [destructive] ways; by reason of whom the way of the truth shall be evil spoken of [Gk: "blasphemed"]" (II Pet. 2:1-2).

At the conclusion of this thread we will take a look at some of these: "FABLES AND DAMNABLE HERESIES" that the Church Fathers and Theologians have substituted over the centuries and down to our day in place of God"s sound doctrines.

Listen: Either conditions in the prophesied Church of today are MUCH WORSE than they were at the time of Jesus and the Apostles, or the prophecies LIE. So which do you believe is true?
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1/18/2015 10:21:28 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/18/2015 4:03:09 PM, IRONHIDE wrote:
That's right you so called "Christians"... Meet the Real Jesus Many, Including You Hate!

"You Fools! You Hypocrites! You Snakes!"

These words are taken from the very words of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, spoken to the Scribes and Pharisees in Jerusalem. You know..... The Jews in Jerusalem, you "Christians" rally around and give the upmost loyal support and devotion to.

Let"s take a Scriptural look at a side of Jesus that most Christians will not believe, even when they see Him in their own Bibles.

Who were the Scribes and Pharisees?

The Pharisees were not the priests, but rather people from all walks of life who were very pious and strict keepers of the Law of Moses. They constantly adjusted the Law to fit the changing world according to their traditions and own desires. Among the more educated of the Pharisees were the Scrible and the rulers of the Jews:


"In the modern sense they [the Scribes] were the religious scholars or theologians " sometimes called lawyers " or teachers of the law "could make judicial decisions based on Scriptural exegesis, occupied important positions in the Sanhedrin " played a major role in bringing on the crucifixion of Jesus" and they "mainly belonged to the party of the Pharisees" (WYCLIFFE Bible Dictionary, p. 1536).

Jesus called the Scribes and Pharisees "fools, hypocrites, blind guides, whited sepulchers, murderers, a generation of snakes," and many such epithets. Jesus called them "hypocrites" seven times in one chapter. He spoke with scathing derision to the Scribes and Pharisees throughout His ministry; very few of them received a kind word from Him.

And yet countless Christians claim that Jesus never spoke like this or ever said a cruel or angry word in His life. Oh but Jesus surely did speak harshly, demeaningly, and with great anger in His voice to the Scribes and Pharisees"the religious Leaders of God"s Church. Jesus was not mild and soft-spoken when it came to the sins and hypocrisy of these church leaders. Too many Christians have read the teachings of Jesus with rose-colored glasses covering both their eyes and their minds.

When the Pharisees asked Jesus, "Why do your disciples"?" Jesus didn"t softly answer their question, rather He retorted back with, "Why do YOU"?" Jesus was never on the defensive, but always on the offensive. Using the vernacular, He was "IN THEIR FACE!"

Do any believe Jesus was referencing farm animals when He said not to cast pearls or give what is holy to "the DOGS and PIGS?"

Jesus referred to the recalcitrant Jewish leaders as, "an EVIL and ADULTEROUS generation," "SERPENTS and SNAKES," and "children of the DEVIL." Why He even told the Scribes and Pharisees regarding the royal and mighty King Herod: "Go ye, and tell that FOX [that JACKAL]""


JESUS UPBRAIDS THE CHURCH LEADERS

There are many examples of Jesus upbraiding the Church leaders for their gross sins [selections from Matthew 23]:


"But WOE unto you, Scribes and Pharisees, HYPOCRITES" FOR YOU SHUT UP THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN AGAINST MEN"

"THEY BIND HEAVY BURDENS and GRIEVOUS to be borne, and lay them on men"s shoulders; but will not move them with ONE OF THEIR FINGERS

WOE unto you, Scribes and Pharisees, HYPOCRITES" you DEVOUR WIDOW"S HOUSES" you shall receive the greater damnation.

WOE unto you, Scribes and Pharisees, HYPOCRITES"

WOE unto you, ye BLIND GUIDES"

You FOOLS AND BLIND"

WOE unto you, Scribes and Pharisees, HYPOCRITES! You" have omitted" JUDGMENT, MERCY, and FAITH"

You BLIND GUIDES, which strain out a gnat, and SWALLOW A CAMEL.

WOE unto you, Scribes and Pharisees, HYPOCRITES" within they are full of EXTORTION AND EXCESS.

You BLIND PHARISEES"

WOE unto you, Scribes and Pharisees, HYPOCRITES! You are FULL OF DEAD MEN"S BONES, and ALL UNCLEANESS" and HYPOCRISY and INIQUITY"

WOE unto you, Scribes and Pharisees, HYPOCRITES!" you are the children of them which KILLED the prophets. FILL YOU UP then the measure of your fathers.

You SERPENTS, you GENERATION OF SNAKES" you KILL AND CRUCIFY" you SCOURGE in your synagogues" Behold your house is left unto you DESOLATE"!!

WOW! Every one of these comments from Matt. 23 were spoken directly to the "Religious Scholars and Theologians" in the Church of God centered at the Temple in Jerusalem. Would Jesus speak in the same manner to the Religious Scholars and Theologians in God"s Church today? Does Jesus "change"? NO. Has the Church changed in the past 2000 years? YES. It has gotten WORSE.

Now I assure you that I have never personally referred to the religious hypocrites of our day with all the descriptive words that Jesus used. Yet I am "cursed" and "condemned to hell" for merely exposing the heresy of religious leaders and teachers. Positively no one in Christendom would ever sanction such a manner of speech from a minister in their denomination. There isn"t a denomination in all Christendom that would hire Jesus as their pastor if He were to return today. Why they would throw him out the door on His ear before He got ten minutes into His first sermon. Christians are offended that I would even point out these historical facts of Scripture. They really don"t want to believe Jesus spoke as He did, even though it"s all right there in their Bibles. Most of the followers of the Scribes and Pharisees thought them to be virtually perfect, just as the modern Church scholars, teachers, and preachers are thought by their followers to be perfect.

The first saint was not named Jesus because they didn't speak Spanish or English in those days. We saints are NOT the Lord and Savior but we do testify for Him and learn who we are which is the voice of the Lord.
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1/18/2015 10:28:55 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Out of line as usual, boringofgod, as salvation is of the Jews or do you just ignore Scriptures you can't use for your Gentile prophet ripoff scheme?

I am the Jewish voice that shows the anger of God at hypocrites and phonies using God for cover for usually pure egotistical reasons, such as you not wanting to look rationally at what you preach as doomsday street corner garbage done thousands of times before you arrived to milk the archetype.
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1/18/2015 11:32:24 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/18/2015 4:03:09 PM, IRONHIDE wrote:
That's right you so called "Christians"... Meet the Real Jesus Many, Including You Hate!

"You Fools! You Hypocrites! You Snakes!"

These words are taken from the very words of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, spoken to the Scribes and Pharisees in Jerusalem. You know..... The Jews in Jerusalem, you "Christians" rally around and give the upmost loyal support and devotion to.

Let"s take a Scriptural look at a side of Jesus that most Christians will not believe, even when they see Him in their own Bibles.

Who were the Scribes and Pharisees?

The Pharisees were not the priests, but rather people from all walks of life who were very pious and strict keepers of the Law of Moses. They constantly adjusted the Law to fit the changing world according to their traditions and own desires. Among the more educated of the Pharisees were the Scrible and the rulers of the Jews:


"In the modern sense they [the Scribes] were the religious scholars or theologians " sometimes called lawyers " or teachers of the law "could make judicial decisions based on Scriptural exegesis, occupied important positions in the Sanhedrin " played a major role in bringing on the crucifixion of Jesus" and they "mainly belonged to the party of the Pharisees" (WYCLIFFE Bible Dictionary, p. 1536).

Jesus called the Scribes and Pharisees "fools, hypocrites, blind guides, whited sepulchers, murderers, a generation of snakes," and many such epithets. Jesus called them "hypocrites" seven times in one chapter. He spoke with scathing derision to the Scribes and Pharisees throughout His ministry; very few of them received a kind word from Him.

And yet countless Christians claim that Jesus never spoke like this or ever said a cruel or angry word in His life. Oh but Jesus surely did speak harshly, demeaningly, and with great anger in His voice to the Scribes and Pharisees"the religious Leaders of God"s Church. Jesus was not mild and soft-spoken when it came to the sins and hypocrisy of these church leaders. Too many Christians have read the teachings of Jesus with rose-colored glasses covering both their eyes and their minds.

When the Pharisees asked Jesus, "Why do your disciples"?" Jesus didn"t softly answer their question, rather He retorted back with, "Why do YOU"?" Jesus was never on the defensive, but always on the offensive. Using the vernacular, He was "IN THEIR FACE!"

Do any believe Jesus was referencing farm animals when He said not to cast pearls or give what is holy to "the DOGS and PIGS?"

Jesus referred to the recalcitrant Jewish leaders as, "an EVIL and ADULTEROUS generation," "SERPENTS and SNAKES," and "children of the DEVIL." Why He even told the Scribes and Pharisees regarding the royal and mighty King Herod: "Go ye, and tell that FOX [that JACKAL]""


JESUS UPBRAIDS THE CHURCH LEADERS

There are many examples of Jesus upbraiding the Church leaders for their gross sins [selections from Matthew 23]:


"But WOE unto you, Scribes and Pharisees, HYPOCRITES" FOR YOU SHUT UP THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN AGAINST MEN"

"THEY BIND HEAVY BURDENS and GRIEVOUS to be borne, and lay them on men"s shoulders; but will not move them with ONE OF THEIR FINGERS

WOE unto you, Scribes and Pharisees, HYPOCRITES" you DEVOUR WIDOW"S HOUSES" you shall receive the greater damnation.

WOE unto you, Scribes and Pharisees, HYPOCRITES"

WOE unto you, ye BLIND GUIDES"

You FOOLS AND BLIND"

WOE unto you, Scribes and Pharisees, HYPOCRITES! You" have omitted" JUDGMENT, MERCY, and FAITH"

You BLIND GUIDES, which strain out a gnat, and SWALLOW A CAMEL.

WOE unto you, Scribes and Pharisees, HYPOCRITES" within they are full of EXTORTION AND EXCESS.

You BLIND PHARISEES"

WOE unto you, Scribes and Pharisees, HYPOCRITES! You are FULL OF DEAD MEN"S BONES, and ALL UNCLEANESS" and HYPOCRISY and INIQUITY"

WOE unto you, Scribes and Pharisees, HYPOCRITES!" you are the children of them which KILLED the prophets. FILL YOU UP then the measure of your fathers.

You SERPENTS, you GENERATION OF SNAKES" you KILL AND CRUCIFY" you SCOURGE in your synagogues" Behold your house is left unto you DESOLATE"!!

WOW! Every one of these comments from Matt. 23 were spoken directly to the "Religious Scholars and Theologians" in the Church of God centered at the Temple in Jerusalem. Would Jesus speak in the same manner to the Religious Scholars and Theologians in God"s Church today? Does Jesus "change"? NO. Has the Church changed in the past 2000 years? YES. It has gotten WORSE.

Now I assure you that I have never personally referred to the religious hypocrites of our day with all the descriptive words that Jesus used. Yet I am "cursed" and "condemned to hell" for merely exposing the heresy of religious leaders and teachers. Positively no one in Christendom would ever sanction such a manner of speech from a minister in their denomination. There isn"t a denomination in all Christendom that would hire Jesus as their pastor if He were to return today. Why they would throw him out the door on His ear before He got ten minutes into His first sermon. Christians are offended that I would even point out these historical facts of Scripture. They really don"t want to believe Jesus spoke as He did, even though it"s all right there in their Bibles. Most of the followers of the Scribes and Pharisees thought them to be virtually perfect, just as the modern Church scholars, teachers, and preachers are thought by their followers to be perfect.

Yep! He's my kind of man. A genuine person who is not afraid to call a spade a spade.

One who lies is a liar and a son of the greatest of all liars. The ones who hide their true nature behind a false facade of self righteousness, Are actors who Jesus saw as Hypocrites=actors: pompous, pious, pretentious people, who inside, were full of disgusting things. Yes sir, he's the man whose righteous actions, I have chosen to follow.

Not like the low life who praise you to your face, and then run you down to every person they meet, when your back is turned. They are the scum of the earth.
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1/19/2015 2:54:50 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
Some of the theists' posts are so crazy you wonder if they are wind up merchants having a laugh. It is hard to imagine they really believe what they are saying. If they do they have serious mental health problems, imo
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1/19/2015 3:32:00 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/18/2015 4:03:09 PM, IRONHIDE wrote:
That's right you so called "Christians"... Meet the Real Jesus Many, Including You Hate!

"You Fools! You Hypocrites! You Snakes!"

These words are taken from the very words of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, spoken to the Scribes and Pharisees in Jerusalem. You know..... The Jews in Jerusalem, you "Christians" rally around and give the upmost loyal support and devotion to.

Let"s take a Scriptural look at a side of Jesus that most Christians will not believe, even when they see Him in their own Bibles.

Who were the Scribes and Pharisees?

The Pharisees were not the priests, but rather people from all walks of life who were very pious and strict keepers of the Law of Moses. They constantly adjusted the Law to fit the changing world according to their traditions and own desires. Among the more educated of the Pharisees were the Scrible and the rulers of the Jews:


"In the modern sense they [the Scribes] were the religious scholars or theologians " sometimes called lawyers " or teachers of the law "could make judicial decisions based on Scriptural exegesis, occupied important positions in the Sanhedrin " played a major role in bringing on the crucifixion of Jesus" and they "mainly belonged to the party of the Pharisees" (WYCLIFFE Bible Dictionary, p. 1536).

Jesus called the Scribes and Pharisees "fools, hypocrites, blind guides, whited sepulchers, murderers, a generation of snakes," and many such epithets. Jesus called them "hypocrites" seven times in one chapter. He spoke with scathing derision to the Scribes and Pharisees throughout His ministry; very few of them received a kind word from Him.

And yet countless Christians claim that Jesus never spoke like this or ever said a cruel or angry word in His life. Oh but Jesus surely did speak harshly, demeaningly, and with great anger in His voice to the Scribes and Pharisees"the religious Leaders of God"s Church. Jesus was not mild and soft-spoken when it came to the sins and hypocrisy of these church leaders. Too many Christians have read the teachings of Jesus with rose-colored glasses covering both their eyes and their minds.

When the Pharisees asked Jesus, "Why do your disciples"?" Jesus didn"t softly answer their question, rather He retorted back with, "Why do YOU"?" Jesus was never on the defensive, but always on the offensive. Using the vernacular, He was "IN THEIR FACE!"

Do any believe Jesus was referencing farm animals when He said not to cast pearls or give what is holy to "the DOGS and PIGS?"

Jesus referred to the recalcitrant Jewish leaders as, "an EVIL and ADULTEROUS generation," "SERPENTS and SNAKES," and "children of the DEVIL." Why He even told the Scribes and Pharisees regarding the royal and mighty King Herod: "Go ye, and tell that FOX [that JACKAL]""


JESUS UPBRAIDS THE CHURCH LEADERS

There are many examples of Jesus upbraiding the Church leaders for their gross sins [selections from Matthew 23]:


"But WOE unto you, Scribes and Pharisees, HYPOCRITES" FOR YOU SHUT UP THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN AGAINST MEN"

"THEY BIND HEAVY BURDENS and GRIEVOUS to be borne, and lay them on men"s shoulders; but will not move them with ONE OF THEIR FINGERS

WOE unto you, Scribes and Pharisees, HYPOCRITES" you DEVOUR WIDOW"S HOUSES" you shall receive the greater damnation.

WOE unto you, Scribes and Pharisees, HYPOCRITES"

WOE unto you, ye BLIND GUIDES"

You FOOLS AND BLIND"

WOE unto you, Scribes and Pharisees, HYPOCRITES! You" have omitted" JUDGMENT, MERCY, and FAITH"

You BLIND GUIDES, which strain out a gnat, and SWALLOW A CAMEL.

WOE unto you, Scribes and Pharisees, HYPOCRITES" within they are full of EXTORTION AND EXCESS.

You BLIND PHARISEES"

WOE unto you, Scribes and Pharisees, HYPOCRITES! You are FULL OF DEAD MEN"S BONES, and ALL UNCLEANESS" and HYPOCRISY and INIQUITY"

WOE unto you, Scribes and Pharisees, HYPOCRITES!" you are the children of them which KILLED the prophets. FILL YOU UP then the measure of your fathers.

You SERPENTS, you GENERATION OF SNAKES" you KILL AND CRUCIFY" you SCOURGE in your synagogues" Behold your house is left unto you DESOLATE"!!

WOW! Every one of these comments from Matt. 23 were spoken directly to the "Religious Scholars and Theologians" in the Church of God centered at the Temple in Jerusalem. Would Jesus speak in the same manner to the Religious Scholars and Theologians in God"s Church today? Does Jesus "change"? NO. Has the Church changed in the past 2000 years? YES. It has gotten WORSE.

Now I assure you that I have never personally referred to the religious hypocrites of our day with all the descriptive words that Jesus used. Yet I am "cursed" and "condemned to hell" for merely exposing the heresy of religious leaders and teachers. Positively no one in Christendom would ever sanction such a manner of speech from a minister in their denomination. There isn"t a denomination in all Christendom that would hire Jesus as their pastor if He were to return today. Why they would throw him out the door on His ear before He got ten minutes into His first sermon. Christians are offended that I would even point out these historical facts of Scripture. They really don"t want to believe Jesus spoke as He did, even though it"s all right there in their Bibles. Most of the followers of the Scribes and Pharisees thought them to be virtually perfect, just as the modern Church scholars, teachers, and preachers are thought by their followers to be perfect.

I acknowledge that Jesus spoke angry words to express his feelings. Everybody does that...

Jews and Christians are slightly similar, but different in some ways.
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1/19/2015 4:48:45 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/18/2015 4:53:19 PM, Electric-Eccentric wrote:
I saw the topic MEET the REAL JESUS "CHRISTIANS" HATE and thought, this should be interesting.

So WHERE is this REAL JESUS you advertised about?

Seems you have everything covered with pebbles, but NO REAL JESUS to speak of.
Not even a false one.


Did I miss something?

I think the OP is basically saying the character Jesus in the bible was not as meek and mild as some people want to believe he was. By todays standards of "political correctness", he was offensive and rude to many people and would not be accepted by Christians any better than he was accepted by the Pharisees.
I think the IRONHIDE still believes Jesus was a historical character and does not see him as a fictional character who personifies a Way of Life in Truth.

Some Christians just believe in a gentle meek and mild Jesus who would never offend a fly.
Others believe in a Jesus who called a spade a spade and did not care how many spades were offended by his words.
I think IRONHIDE is saying the real Jesus character is the rude and offensive one who is rejected and the fake Jesus character is the meek and mild one who is never offensive and always politically correct.

He is basically comparing two different fictional characters with each other.
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1/19/2015 5:01:00 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/19/2015 2:54:50 AM, JJ50 wrote:
Some of the theists' posts are so crazy you wonder if they are wind up merchants having a laugh. It is hard to imagine they really believe what they are saying. If they do they have serious mental health problems, imo

Your opinion is backed by medical science.

Kathleen Taylor, Neuroscientist, Says Religious Fundamentalism Could Be Treated As A Mental Illness

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An Oxford University researcher and author specializing in neuroscience has suggested that one day religious fundamentalism may be treated as a curable mental illness.
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1/19/2015 5:09:48 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/19/2015 4:48:45 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 1/18/2015 4:53:19 PM, Electric-Eccentric wrote:
I saw the topic MEET the REAL JESUS "CHRISTIANS" HATE and thought, this should be interesting.

So WHERE is this REAL JESUS you advertised about?

Seems you have everything covered with pebbles, but NO REAL JESUS to speak of.
Not even a false one.


Did I miss something?

I think the OP is basically saying the character Jesus in the bible was not as meek and mild as some people want to believe he was. By todays standards of "political correctness", he was offensive and rude to many people and would not be accepted by Christians any better than he was accepted by the Pharisees.
I think the IRONHIDE still believes Jesus was a historical character and does not see him as a fictional character who personifies a Way of Life in Truth.

Some Christians just believe in a gentle meek and mild Jesus who would never offend a fly.
Others believe in a Jesus who called a spade a spade and did not care how many spades were offended by his words.
I think IRONHIDE is saying the real Jesus character is the rude and offensive one who is rejected and the fake Jesus character is the meek and mild one who is never offensive and always politically correct.

He is basically comparing two different fictional characters with each other.
Jesus had to be an obnoxious person for the Jews to ask that he be crucified.
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1/19/2015 5:13:26 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/19/2015 4:48:45 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 1/18/2015 4:53:19 PM, Electric-Eccentric wrote:
I saw the topic MEET the REAL JESUS "CHRISTIANS" HATE and thought, this should be interesting.

So WHERE is this REAL JESUS you advertised about?

Seems you have everything covered with pebbles, but NO REAL JESUS to speak of.
Not even a false one.


Did I miss something?

I think the OP is basically saying the character Jesus in the bible was not as meek and mild as some people want to believe he was. By todays standards of "political correctness", he was offensive and rude to many people and would not be accepted by Christians any better than he was accepted by the Pharisees.
I think the IRONHIDE still believes Jesus was a historical character and does not see him as a fictional character who personifies a Way of Life in Truth.

Some Christians just believe in a gentle meek and mild Jesus who would never offend a fly.
Others believe in a Jesus who called a spade a spade and did not care how many spades were offended by his words.
I think IRONHIDE is saying the real Jesus character is the rude and offensive one who is rejected and the fake Jesus character is the meek and mild one who is never offensive and always politically correct.

He is basically comparing two different fictional characters with each other.

As the greater majority of scholars now agree that the biblical Jesus was an historical figure, we can ignore Skyangel's unsupported opinion, with the contempt that it deserves.
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1/19/2015 5:52:34 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
WHAT would be left if we took away all the advertising from the program?

Answer: The many wouldn't be interested enough to see the Truth that was left and would just call it a lie and want back to their building of golden idols.
Life is what YOU make it,
Most just try and fake it...
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1/19/2015 5:56:47 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/19/2015 5:13:26 PM, Gentorev wrote:
At 1/19/2015 4:48:45 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 1/18/2015 4:53:19 PM, Electric-Eccentric wrote:
I saw the topic MEET the REAL JESUS "CHRISTIANS" HATE and thought, this should be interesting.

So WHERE is this REAL JESUS you advertised about?

Seems you have everything covered with pebbles, but NO REAL JESUS to speak of.
Not even a false one.


Did I miss something?

I think the OP is basically saying the character Jesus in the bible was not as meek and mild as some people want to believe he was. By todays standards of "political correctness", he was offensive and rude to many people and would not be accepted by Christians any better than he was accepted by the Pharisees.
I think the IRONHIDE still believes Jesus was a historical character and does not see him as a fictional character who personifies a Way of Life in Truth.

Some Christians just believe in a gentle meek and mild Jesus who would never offend a fly.
Others believe in a Jesus who called a spade a spade and did not care how many spades were offended by his words.
I think IRONHIDE is saying the real Jesus character is the rude and offensive one who is rejected and the fake Jesus character is the meek and mild one who is never offensive and always politically correct.

He is basically comparing two different fictional characters with each other.

As the greater majority of scholars now agree that the biblical Jesus was an historical figure, we can ignore Skyangel's unsupported opinion, with the contempt that it deserves.

There is no doubt about the historical Jesus. What is being questioned is his divinity and mental state.
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1/19/2015 7:08:46 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/19/2015 5:13:26 PM, Gentorev wrote:
At 1/19/2015 4:48:45 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 1/18/2015 4:53:19 PM, Electric-Eccentric wrote:
I saw the topic MEET the REAL JESUS "CHRISTIANS" HATE and thought, this should be interesting.

So WHERE is this REAL JESUS you advertised about?

Seems you have everything covered with pebbles, but NO REAL JESUS to speak of.
Not even a false one.


Did I miss something?

I think the OP is basically saying the character Jesus in the bible was not as meek and mild as some people want to believe he was. By todays standards of "political correctness", he was offensive and rude to many people and would not be accepted by Christians any better than he was accepted by the Pharisees.
I think the IRONHIDE still believes Jesus was a historical character and does not see him as a fictional character who personifies a Way of Life in Truth.

Some Christians just believe in a gentle meek and mild Jesus who would never offend a fly.
Others believe in a Jesus who called a spade a spade and did not care how many spades were offended by his words.
I think IRONHIDE is saying the real Jesus character is the rude and offensive one who is rejected and the fake Jesus character is the meek and mild one who is never offensive and always politically correct.

He is basically comparing two different fictional characters with each other.

As the greater majority of scholars now agree that the biblical Jesus was an historical figure, we can ignore Skyangel's unsupported opinion, with the contempt that it deserves.

Liars need to support each others lies and false doctrines. Truth stands alone and needs no support.
Liars find Truth contemptible.
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1/19/2015 7:12:52 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/19/2015 5:56:47 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 1/19/2015 5:13:26 PM, Gentorev wrote:
At 1/19/2015 4:48:45 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 1/18/2015 4:53:19 PM, Electric-Eccentric wrote:
I saw the topic MEET the REAL JESUS "CHRISTIANS" HATE and thought, this should be interesting.

So WHERE is this REAL JESUS you advertised about?

Seems you have everything covered with pebbles, but NO REAL JESUS to speak of.
Not even a false one.


Did I miss something?

I think the OP is basically saying the character Jesus in the bible was not as meek and mild as some people want to believe he was. By todays standards of "political correctness", he was offensive and rude to many people and would not be accepted by Christians any better than he was accepted by the Pharisees.
I think the IRONHIDE still believes Jesus was a historical character and does not see him as a fictional character who personifies a Way of Life in Truth.

Some Christians just believe in a gentle meek and mild Jesus who would never offend a fly.
Others believe in a Jesus who called a spade a spade and did not care how many spades were offended by his words.
I think IRONHIDE is saying the real Jesus character is the rude and offensive one who is rejected and the fake Jesus character is the meek and mild one who is never offensive and always politically correct.

He is basically comparing two different fictional characters with each other.

As the greater majority of scholars now agree that the biblical Jesus was an historical figure, we can ignore Skyangel's unsupported opinion, with the contempt that it deserves.

There is no doubt about the historical Jesus. What is being questioned is his divinity and mental state.

If there was no doubt about the historical Jesus why do so many doubt he was a historical person?
Obviously there is much doubt about the existence of a person who was born of a virgin and healed sick people and raised the dead just by talking to them.
The character is fictional in the minds of adults who understand that real people don't have any magical powers to raise dead people out of their graves just by telling them to "come forth"
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1/19/2015 7:13:21 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/19/2015 5:56:47 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 1/19/2015 5:13:26 PM, Gentorev wrote:
At 1/19/2015 4:48:45 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 1/18/2015 4:53:19 PM, Electric-Eccentric wrote:
I saw the topic MEET the REAL JESUS "CHRISTIANS" HATE and thought, this should be interesting.

So WHERE is this REAL JESUS you advertised about?

Seems you have everything covered with pebbles, but NO REAL JESUS to speak of.
Not even a false one.


Did I miss something?

I think the OP is basically saying the character Jesus in the bible was not as meek and mild as some people want to believe he was. By todays standards of "political correctness", he was offensive and rude to many people and would not be accepted by Christians any better than he was accepted by the Pharisees.
I think the IRONHIDE still believes Jesus was a historical character and does not see him as a fictional character who personifies a Way of Life in Truth.

Some Christians just believe in a gentle meek and mild Jesus who would never offend a fly.
Others believe in a Jesus who called a spade a spade and did not care how many spades were offended by his words.
I think IRONHIDE is saying the real Jesus character is the rude and offensive one who is rejected and the fake Jesus character is the meek and mild one who is never offensive and always politically correct.

He is basically comparing two different fictional characters with each other.

As the greater majority of scholars now agree that the biblical Jesus was an historical figure, we can ignore Skyangel's unsupported opinion, with the contempt that it deserves.

There is no doubt about the historical Jesus. What is being questioned is his divinity and mental state.

There is according to the erroneous unsupported opinion of Skyangel.
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1/19/2015 7:21:57 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/19/2015 7:08:46 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 1/19/2015 5:13:26 PM, Gentorev wrote:
At 1/19/2015 4:48:45 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 1/18/2015 4:53:19 PM, Electric-Eccentric wrote:
I saw the topic MEET the REAL JESUS "CHRISTIANS" HATE and thought, this should be interesting.

So WHERE is this REAL JESUS you advertised about?

Seems you have everything covered with pebbles, but NO REAL JESUS to speak of.
Not even a false one.


Did I miss something?

I think the OP is basically saying the character Jesus in the bible was not as meek and mild as some people want to believe he was. By todays standards of "political correctness", he was offensive and rude to many people and would not be accepted by Christians any better than he was accepted by the Pharisees.
I think the IRONHIDE still believes Jesus was a historical character and does not see him as a fictional character who personifies a Way of Life in Truth.

Some Christians just believe in a gentle meek and mild Jesus who would never offend a fly.
Others believe in a Jesus who called a spade a spade and did not care how many spades were offended by his words.
I think IRONHIDE is saying the real Jesus character is the rude and offensive one who is rejected and the fake Jesus character is the meek and mild one who is never offensive and always politically correct.

He is basically comparing two different fictional characters with each other.

As the greater majority of scholars now agree that the biblical Jesus was an historical figure, we can ignore Skyangel's unsupported opinion, with the contempt that it deserves.

Liars need to support each others lies and false doctrines. Truth stands alone and needs no support.
Liars find Truth contemptible.

So then, what you are saying here, is that you need the support of the atheists, who belong to the godless religion and who, like yourself, who are in the minority, believe that the biblical Jesus did not exist. And like all liars especially those who have abandoned the biblical God like yourself, they find the Truth of Jesus to be contemptible to them.
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1/19/2015 7:31:53 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/19/2015 7:21:57 PM, Gentorev wrote:
At 1/19/2015 7:08:46 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 1/19/2015 5:13:26 PM, Gentorev wrote:
At 1/19/2015 4:48:45 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 1/18/2015 4:53:19 PM, Electric-Eccentric wrote:
I saw the topic MEET the REAL JESUS "CHRISTIANS" HATE and thought, this should be interesting.

So WHERE is this REAL JESUS you advertised about?

Seems you have everything covered with pebbles, but NO REAL JESUS to speak of.
Not even a false one.


Did I miss something?

I think the OP is basically saying the character Jesus in the bible was not as meek and mild as some people want to believe he was. By todays standards of "political correctness", he was offensive and rude to many people and would not be accepted by Christians any better than he was accepted by the Pharisees.
I think the IRONHIDE still believes Jesus was a historical character and does not see him as a fictional character who personifies a Way of Life in Truth.

Some Christians just believe in a gentle meek and mild Jesus who would never offend a fly.
Others believe in a Jesus who called a spade a spade and did not care how many spades were offended by his words.
I think IRONHIDE is saying the real Jesus character is the rude and offensive one who is rejected and the fake Jesus character is the meek and mild one who is never offensive and always politically correct.

He is basically comparing two different fictional characters with each other.

As the greater majority of scholars now agree that the biblical Jesus was an historical figure, we can ignore Skyangel's unsupported opinion, with the contempt that it deserves.

Liars need to support each others lies and false doctrines. Truth stands alone and needs no support.
Liars find Truth contemptible.

So then, what you are saying here, is that you need the support of the atheists, who belong to the godless religion and who, like yourself, who are in the minority, believe that the biblical Jesus did not exist. And like all liars especially those who have abandoned the biblical God like yourself, they find the Truth of Jesus to be contemptible to them.

According to the bible parable the MAJORITY are on the WIDE road to destruction and the minority are the FEW.
I don't need anyones support to understand that fictional characters with magical powers are not real and never were real.
I do not find the Truth to be contemptible at all. I live in Truth and reality. I understand the fictional character represents Truth in reality.
Those who worship the fictional character are not respecting the Truth or living in it. They are following a fiction and denying the Truth. Idolizing a fictional character is idolatry. It is living in a fantasy and following a fantasy character.
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1/19/2015 7:38:18 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/19/2015 7:12:52 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 1/19/2015 5:56:47 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 1/19/2015 5:13:26 PM, Gentorev wrote:
At 1/19/2015 4:48:45 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 1/18/2015 4:53:19 PM, Electric-Eccentric wrote:
I saw the topic MEET the REAL JESUS "CHRISTIANS" HATE and thought, this should be interesting.

So WHERE is this REAL JESUS you advertised about?

Seems you have everything covered with pebbles, but NO REAL JESUS to speak of.
Not even a false one.


Did I miss something?

I think the OP is basically saying the character Jesus in the bible was not as meek and mild as some people want to believe he was. By todays standards of "political correctness", he was offensive and rude to many people and would not be accepted by Christians any better than he was accepted by the Pharisees.
I think the IRONHIDE still believes Jesus was a historical character and does not see him as a fictional character who personifies a Way of Life in Truth.

Some Christians just believe in a gentle meek and mild Jesus who would never offend a fly.
Others believe in a Jesus who called a spade a spade and did not care how many spades were offended by his words.
I think IRONHIDE is saying the real Jesus character is the rude and offensive one who is rejected and the fake Jesus character is the meek and mild one who is never offensive and always politically correct.

He is basically comparing two different fictional characters with each other.

As the greater majority of scholars now agree that the biblical Jesus was an historical figure, we can ignore Skyangel's unsupported opinion, with the contempt that it deserves.

There is no doubt about the historical Jesus. What is being questioned is his divinity and mental state.

If there was no doubt about the historical Jesus why do so many doubt he was a historical person?
Obviously there is much doubt about the existence of a person who was born of a virgin and healed sick people and raised the dead just by talking to them.
The character is fictional in the minds of adults who understand that real people don't have any magical powers to raise dead people out of their graves just by telling them to "come forth"

But any seeker of the truth knows that the false concept of the supposed virgin birth, originated with the erroneous translation of the Greek term, "Parthenos." What a pity it is that you have never bothered to seek the truth.

Never once did the man Jesus claim that the miracles were his. And Simeon with the terminal skin disease=Lazarus, whose body has long since returned to the dust from which it originated, was merely resuscitated, unlike the man Jesus who was given divine glory and now sits beside our heavenly Father and invites all, who like himself, are able to win the victory, to sit beside him in the throne of the MOST HIGH in the the creation, before which throne, even the angels will bow the knee.
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1/19/2015 10:25:06 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/19/2015 7:38:18 PM, Gentorev wrote:
At 1/19/2015 7:12:52 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 1/19/2015 5:56:47 PM, Harikrish wrote:

There is no doubt about the historical Jesus. What is being questioned is his divinity and mental state.

If there was no doubt about the historical Jesus why do so many doubt he was a historical person?
Obviously there is much doubt about the existence of a person who was born of a virgin and healed sick people and raised the dead just by talking to them.
The character is fictional in the minds of adults who understand that real people don't have any magical powers to raise dead people out of their graves just by telling them to "come forth"

But any seeker of the truth knows that the false concept of the supposed virgin birth, originated with the erroneous translation of the Greek term, "Parthenos." What a pity it is that you have never bothered to seek the truth.

Never once did the man Jesus claim that the miracles were his. And Simeon with the terminal skin disease=Lazarus, whose body has long since returned to the dust from which it originated, was merely resuscitated, unlike the man Jesus who was given divine glory and now sits beside our heavenly Father and invites all, who like himself, are able to win the victory, to sit beside him in the throne of the MOST HIGH in the the creation, before which throne, even the angels will bow the knee.

Hahahahaha. A man who was dead and in the grave for four days was merely resuscitated. Do you really expect any sane person to believe that?
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1/19/2015 11:06:40 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/19/2015 10:25:06 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 1/19/2015 7:38:18 PM, Gentorev wrote:
At 1/19/2015 7:12:52 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 1/19/2015 5:56:47 PM, Harikrish wrote:

There is no doubt about the historical Jesus. What is being questioned is his divinity and mental state.

If there was no doubt about the historical Jesus why do so many doubt he was a historical person?
Obviously there is much doubt about the existence of a person who was born of a virgin and healed sick people and raised the dead just by talking to them.
The character is fictional in the minds of adults who understand that real people don't have any magical powers to raise dead people out of their graves just by telling them to "come forth"

But any seeker of the truth knows that the false concept of the supposed virgin birth, originated with the erroneous translation of the Greek term, "Parthenos." What a pity it is that you have never bothered to seek the truth.

Never once did the man Jesus claim that the miracles were his. And Simeon with the terminal skin disease=Lazarus, whose body has long since returned to the dust from which it originated, was merely resuscitated, unlike the man Jesus who was given divine glory and now sits beside our heavenly Father and invites all, who like himself, are able to win the victory, to sit beside him in the throne of the MOST HIGH in the the creation, before which throne, even the angels will bow the knee.

Hahahahaha. A man who was dead and in the grave for four days was merely resuscitated. Do you really expect any sane person to believe that?

If his body had been dead for 4 days it would have been in an advanced state of decomposition, which it wasn't. In a death like coma perhaps, but not dead. And the body of Lazarus, has long since returned to the dust, but he the mind=spirit, sleeps in peaceful rest.

Isaiah 57: 1; "Good people die, and no one understands or even cares. But when "THEY" die, no calamity can hurt them. Those who lead good lives, find peace and rest in death." As seen in the Parable of Lazarus and the rich man.

Everyone would have thought that he was dead, much the same as the people who believed that the daughter of Jairus was dead, (See Luke 8: 52-53;) and when Jesus said to the people who were crying and mourning for the child, "Don't cry; the child is not dead----she is only sleeping!" They all made fun of Jesus because they 'KNEW' she was dead. Just as Martha and Mary knew that their brother was dead, and believed that his body would have decomposed and stunk with a putrid stench. But it didn't.
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1/20/2015 4:14:40 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/19/2015 11:06:40 PM, Gentorev wrote:
At 1/19/2015 10:25:06 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 1/19/2015 7:38:18 PM, Gentorev wrote:
At 1/19/2015 7:12:52 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 1/19/2015 5:56:47 PM, Harikrish wrote:

There is no doubt about the historical Jesus. What is being questioned is his divinity and mental state.

If there was no doubt about the historical Jesus why do so many doubt he was a historical person?
Obviously there is much doubt about the existence of a person who was born of a virgin and healed sick people and raised the dead just by talking to them.
The character is fictional in the minds of adults who understand that real people don't have any magical powers to raise dead people out of their graves just by telling them to "come forth"

But any seeker of the truth knows that the false concept of the supposed virgin birth, originated with the erroneous translation of the Greek term, "Parthenos." What a pity it is that you have never bothered to seek the truth.

Never once did the man Jesus claim that the miracles were his. And Simeon with the terminal skin disease=Lazarus, whose body has long since returned to the dust from which it originated, was merely resuscitated, unlike the man Jesus who was given divine glory and now sits beside our heavenly Father and invites all, who like himself, are able to win the victory, to sit beside him in the throne of the MOST HIGH in the the creation, before which throne, even the angels will bow the knee.

Hahahahaha. A man who was dead and in the grave for four days was merely resuscitated. Do you really expect any sane person to believe that?

If his body had been dead for 4 days it would have been in an advanced state of decomposition, which it wasn't. In a death like coma perhaps, but not dead. And the body of Lazarus, has long since returned to the dust, but he the mind=spirit, sleeps in peaceful rest.

Isaiah 57: 1; "Good people die, and no one understands or even cares. But when "THEY" die, no calamity can hurt them. Those who lead good lives, find peace and rest in death." As seen in the Parable of Lazarus and the rich man.

Everyone would have thought that he was dead, much the same as the people who believed that the daughter of Jairus was dead, (See Luke 8: 52-53;) and when Jesus said to the people who were crying and mourning for the child, "Don't cry; the child is not dead----she is only sleeping!" They all made fun of Jesus because they 'KNEW' she was dead. Just as Martha and Mary knew that their brother was dead, and believed that his body would have decomposed and stunk with a putrid stench. But it didn't.

It is amazing what miracles writers can concoct in fictional stories. It is even more amazing that adults actually believe the stories.
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1/20/2015 4:29:30 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/20/2015 4:19:51 AM, Classified wrote:
At 1/20/2015 4:17:28 AM, JJ50 wrote:
It so sad that some people can be so very gullible!

Yes, very.

When you grow up I do hope you question the stuff you come out with now.

When I was a 'born again' Christian as a kid, I was embarrassingly devout for a few years. I cringe now when I think of some of the garbage which I poured forth! Thank goodness I started to question my faith, and kicked it into touch when I was nineteen. I was married and realised there was much more important things in life than a faith!
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1/20/2015 4:39:16 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/20/2015 4:29:30 AM, JJ50 wrote:
At 1/20/2015 4:19:51 AM, Classified wrote:
At 1/20/2015 4:17:28 AM, JJ50 wrote:
It so sad that some people can be so very gullible!

Yes, very.

When you grow up I do hope you question the stuff you come out with now.

When I was a 'born again' Christian as a kid, I was embarrassingly devout for a few years. I cringe now when I think of some of the garbage which I poured forth! Thank goodness I started to question my faith, and kicked it into touch when I was nineteen. I was married and realised there was much more important things in life than a faith!

I meant that you guys are gullible.

You mean you aren't Christian?
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1/20/2015 4:44:38 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
Made one big error in judgment to compound it with another and still not knowing the spiritual truth. Sigh, that's the way of "born agains" who later denounce their first silly ideas to take on another, i.e., the lack of spiritual consciousness.

As for the historical Jesus Christ of the Gospels, Skyangel is quite right that that person is almost completely fictional, a character composed actually of words taken from the O.T. and made to perform as a sun god in the traditional sun god death of sun at winter solstice, the supposed three days in the Abyss or hell which represented Dec 21st through the 25th when the sun at the horizon appeared not to move its customary 3 degrees I think it is as it does throughout the rest of the year. This was taken as a Sign of the death of the Sun (God) and Rebirth on the 25th of December, and big rebirth at Spring Equinox, or Easter as it became celebrated in Christianity.

But Skyangel is also quite wrong if she thinks there was never an historical person who inspired the Jesus Christ phenomena: That person existed and is known to us Jews in the Talmud as Yeishu ben Pantera. He was a healer and must of had his own teachings which show up in the Gospels under the Synoptic or "Q" Sayings as well as the whole flavor and tone of the Gospels, different from Judaism. And rightly so as this Celestial Torah Christian Jewish prophesy bearer can confirm.
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1/20/2015 6:53:26 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/20/2015 4:44:38 AM, celestialtorahteacher wrote:
Made one big error in judgment to compound it with another and still not knowing the spiritual truth. Sigh, that's the way of "born agains" who later denounce their first silly ideas to take on another, i.e., the lack of spiritual consciousness.

As for the historical Jesus Christ of the Gospels, Skyangel is quite right that that person is almost completely fictional, a character composed actually of words taken from the O.T. and made to perform as a sun god in the traditional sun god death of sun at winter solstice, the supposed three days in the Abyss or hell which represented Dec 21st through the 25th when the sun at the horizon appeared not to move its customary 3 degrees I think it is as it does throughout the rest of the year. This was taken as a Sign of the death of the Sun (God) and Rebirth on the 25th of December, and big rebirth at Spring Equinox, or Easter as it became celebrated in Christianity.

But Skyangel is also quite wrong if she thinks there was never an historical person who inspired the Jesus Christ phenomena: That person existed and is known to us Jews in the Talmud as Yeishu ben Pantera. He was a healer and must of had his own teachings which show up in the Gospels under the Synoptic or "Q" Sayings as well as the whole flavor and tone of the Gospels, different from Judaism. And rightly so as this Celestial Torah Christian Jewish prophesy bearer can confirm.

Sorry, CTT, I don't take judgement like that.
First. Define spiritual consciousness.
Then I'll reply.
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1/20/2015 7:50:48 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/20/2015 4:39:16 AM, Classified wrote:
At 1/20/2015 4:29:30 AM, JJ50 wrote:
At 1/20/2015 4:19:51 AM, Classified wrote:
At 1/20/2015 4:17:28 AM, JJ50 wrote:
It so sad that some people can be so very gullible!

Yes, very.

When you grow up I do hope you question the stuff you come out with now.

When I was a 'born again' Christian as a kid, I was embarrassingly devout for a few years. I cringe now when I think of some of the garbage which I poured forth! Thank goodness I started to question my faith, and kicked it into touch when I was nineteen. I was married and realised there was much more important things in life than a faith!

I meant that you guys are gullible.

You mean you aren't Christian?

What a silly little boy you are?