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1/19/2015 4:10:59 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/19/2015 3:38:32 PM, Beastt wrote:
Schizophrenia?

Since when was talking to your father a sign of schizophrenia? We all do it. God's son, like any son, was one generation down from his father.
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1/19/2015 4:31:26 PM
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At 1/19/2015 4:10:59 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 1/19/2015 3:38:32 PM, Beastt wrote:
Schizophrenia?

Since when was talking to your father a sign of schizophrenia?
When you're your own father.

We all do it.
You sit down, clasp your hands in front of you, close your eyes and talk to yourself?
I repeat... "Schizophrenia".

God's son, like any son, was one generation down from his father.
According to Christian doctrine, he IS his own father.
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1/19/2015 4:56:39 PM
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Jesys prayed a lot because he was lost and confused most of the time. Here was a carpenters son suffering from delusions with messianic aspirations. He was mostly incoherent and spoke in parables that no one could understand. He died a lonely man , never held a job or married. He prayed for guidance all the time asking for the impossible. He was asking God to make the Jews accept him as their messiah. The Jews tried, convicted and put him out of his misery.
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1/19/2015 5:00:55 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/19/2015 4:56:39 PM, Harikrish wrote:
Jesys prayed a lot because he was lost and confused most of the time. Here was a carpenters son suffering from delusions with messianic aspirations. He was mostly incoherent and spoke in parables that no one could understand. He died a lonely man , never held a job or married. He prayed for guidance all the time asking for the impossible. He was asking God to make the Jews accept him as their messiah. The Jews tried, convicted and put him out of his misery.

And this is coming from the person who believes in Muhammad, most deluded man of them all.

What kind of "prophet" tries to hurl themselves off a cliff upon hearing their "revelations"?
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1/19/2015 5:03:17 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/19/2015 5:00:55 PM, Emilrose wrote:
At 1/19/2015 4:56:39 PM, Harikrish wrote:
Jesys prayed a lot because he was lost and confused most of the time. Here was a carpenters son suffering from delusions with messianic aspirations. He was mostly incoherent and spoke in parables that no one could understand. He died a lonely man , never held a job or married. He prayed for guidance all the time asking for the impossible. He was asking God to make the Jews accept him as their messiah. The Jews tried, convicted and put him out of his misery.

And this is coming from the person who believes in Muhammad, most deluded man of them all.

What kind of "prophet" tries to hurl themselves off a cliff upon hearing their "revelations"?
Jesus went to chat with Satan after his baptism.
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1/19/2015 5:04:03 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/19/2015 4:58:50 PM, Varrack wrote:
At 1/19/2015 3:38:32 PM, Beastt wrote:
Schizophrenia?

To set the example.

As a schizophrenic?

According to the Bible, he was terrible at setting examples. He preached "turn the other cheek", yet when upset by the money-changers in the Temple, he fashioned a weapon, ranted like a mad-man, assaulted them, chased their animals into the street, and flipped over their tables causing loss of profits and damage to their property. That's a long, long way from "turn the other cheek".
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1/19/2015 5:10:44 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/19/2015 3:38:32 PM, Beastt wrote:
Schizophrenia?

Don't you have anything better to do than to constantly mock religion? You're 54 years old and desire a relationship. Go pursue one instead of constantly starting arguments. You've pretty much done it to death and more harm than good has come out of your mocking.
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1/19/2015 5:15:52 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/19/2015 5:10:44 PM, PetersSmith wrote:
At 1/19/2015 3:38:32 PM, Beastt wrote:
Schizophrenia?

Don't you have anything better to do than to constantly mock religion? You're 54 years old and desire a relationship. Go pursue one instead of constantly starting arguments. You've pretty much done it to death and more harm than good has come out of your mocking.

In other words, "you can't answer the question". Good. That's the first step in beginning to learn. By the way, pure ad hominem is considered to be an irrational debate response and it appears to be all you have.

Why are you so interested in me?
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1/19/2015 5:15:53 PM
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And if you think Jesus was schizoid . Look who he was praying too.
Jesus was praying to the God of the Bible who did all this.

1. God drowns the whole earth.
In Genesis 7:21-23, God drowns the entire population of the earth: men, women, children, fetuses, and perhaps unicorns. Only a single family survives. In Matthew 24:37-42, gentle Jesus approves of this genocide and plans to repeat it when he returns.
2. God kills half a million people.
In 2 Chronicles 13:15-18, God helps the men of Judah kill 500,000 of their fellow Israelites.
3. God slaughters all Egyptian firstborn.
In Exodus 12:29, God the baby-killer slaughters all Egyptian firstborn children and cattle because their king was stubborn.
4. God kills 14,000 people for complaining that God keeps killing them.
In Numbers 16:41-49, the Israelites complain that God is killing too many of them. So, God sends a plague that kills 14,000 more of them.
5. Genocide after genocide after genocide.
In Joshua 6:20-21, God helps the Israelites destroy Jericho, killing "men and women, young and old, cattle, sheep and donkeys." In Deuteronomy 2:32-35, God has the Israelites kill everyone in Heshbon, including children. In Deuteronomy 3:3-7, God has the Israelites do the same to the people of Bashan. In Numbers 31:7-18, the Israelites kill all the Midianites except for the virgins, whom they take as spoils of war. In 1 Samuel 15:1-9, God tells the Israelites to kill all the Amalekites " men, women, children, infants, and their cattle " for something the Amalekites" ancestors had done 400 years earlier.
6. God kills 50,000 people for curiosity.
In 1 Samuel 6:19, God kills 50,000 men for peeking into the ark of the covenant. (Newer cosmetic translations count only 70 deaths, but their text notes admit that the best and earliest manuscripts put the number at 50,070.)
7. 3,000 Israelites killed for inventing a god.
In Exodus 32, Moses has climbed Mount Sinai to get the Ten Commandments. The Israelites are bored, so they invent a golden calf god. Moses comes back and God commands him: "Each man strap a sword to his side. Go back and forth through the camp from one end to the other, each killing his brother and friend and neighbor." About 3,000 people died.
8. The Amorites destroyed by sword and by God"s rocks.
In Joshua 10:10-11, God helps the Israelites slaughter the Amorites by sword, then finishes them off with rocks from the sky.
9. God burns two cities to death.
In Genesis 19:24, God kills everyone in Sodom and Gomorrah with fire from the sky. Then God kills Lot"s wife for looking back at her burning home.
10. God has 42 children mauled by bears.
In 2 Kings 2:23-24, some kids tease the prophet Elisha, and God sends bears to dismember them. (Newer cosmetic translations say the bears "maul" the children, but the original Hebrew, baqa, means "to tear apart.")
11. A tribe slaughtered and their virgins raped for not showing up at roll call.
In Judges 21:1-23, a tribe of Israelites misses roll call, so the other Israelites kill them all except for the virgins, which they take for themselves. Still not happy, they hide in vineyards and pounce on dancing women from Shiloh to take them for themselves.
12. 3,000 crushed to death.
In Judges 16:27-30, God gives Samson strength to bring down a building to crush 3,000 members of a rival tribe.
13. A concubine raped and dismembered.
In Judges 19:22-29, a mob demands to rape a godly master"s guest. The master offers his daughter and a concubine to them instead. They take the concubine and gang-rape her all night. The master finds her on his doorstep in the morning, cuts her into 12 pieces, and ships the pieces around the country.
14. Child sacrifice.
In Judges 11:30-39, Jephthah burns his daughter alive as a sacrificial offering for God"s favor in killing the Ammonites.
15. God helps Samson kill 30 men because he lost a bet.
In Judges 14:11-19, Samson loses a bet for 30 sets of clothes. The spirit of God comes upon him and he kills 30 men to steal their clothes and pay off the debt.
16. God demands you kill your wife and children for worshiping other gods.
In Deuteronomy 13:6-10, God commands that you must kill your wife, children, brother, and friend if they worship other gods.
17. God incinerates 51 men to make a point.
In 2 Kings 1:9-10, Elijah gets God to burn 51 men with fire from heaven to prove he is God.
18. God kills a man for not impregnating his brother"s widow.
In Genesis 38:9-10, God kills a man for refusing to impregnate his brother"s widow.
19. God threatens forced cannibalism.
In Leviticus 26:27-29 and Jeremiah 19:9, God threatens to punish the Israelites by making them eat their own children.
20. The coming slaughter.
According to Revelation 9:7-19, God"s got more evil coming. God will make horse-like locusts with human heads and scorpion tails, who torture people for 5 months. Then some angels will kill a third of the earth"s population. If he came today, that would be 2 billion people.
- See more at: http://commonsenseatheism.com...
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1/19/2015 5:29:12 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/19/2015 5:03:17 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 1/19/2015 5:00:55 PM, Emilrose wrote:
At 1/19/2015 4:56:39 PM, Harikrish wrote:
Jesys prayed a lot because he was lost and confused most of the time. Here was a carpenters son suffering from delusions with messianic aspirations. He was mostly incoherent and spoke in parables that no one could understand. He died a lonely man , never held a job or married. He prayed for guidance all the time asking for the impossible. He was asking God to make the Jews accept him as their messiah. The Jews tried, convicted and put him out of his misery.

And this is coming from the person who believes in Muhammad, most deluded man of them all.

What kind of "prophet" tries to hurl themselves off a cliff upon hearing their "revelations"?
Jesus went to chat with Satan after his baptism.

What Jesus did or didn't do is irrelevant to me. What I'm stating is that you're not exactly in a position to judge, given that Muhammad was extremely delusional.

His sense of confusion could be found in his cross-dressing habits.
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1/19/2015 5:31:13 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/19/2015 5:15:53 PM, Harikrish wrote:
And if you think Jesus was schizoid . Look who he was praying too.
Jesus was praying to the God of the Bible who did all this.

1. God drowns the whole earth.
In Genesis 7:21-23, God drowns the entire population of the earth: men, women, children, fetuses, and perhaps unicorns. Only a single family survives. In Matthew 24:37-42, gentle Jesus approves of this genocide and plans to repeat it when he returns.
2. God kills half a million people.
In 2 Chronicles 13:15-18, God helps the men of Judah kill 500,000 of their fellow Israelites.
3. God slaughters all Egyptian firstborn.
In Exodus 12:29, God the baby-killer slaughters all Egyptian firstborn children and cattle because their king was stubborn.
4. God kills 14,000 people for complaining that God keeps killing them.
In Numbers 16:41-49, the Israelites complain that God is killing too many of them. So, God sends a plague that kills 14,000 more of them.
5. Genocide after genocide after genocide.
In Joshua 6:20-21, God helps the Israelites destroy Jericho, killing "men and women, young and old, cattle, sheep and donkeys." In Deuteronomy 2:32-35, God has the Israelites kill everyone in Heshbon, including children. In Deuteronomy 3:3-7, God has the Israelites do the same to the people of Bashan. In Numbers 31:7-18, the Israelites kill all the Midianites except for the virgins, whom they take as spoils of war. In 1 Samuel 15:1-9, God tells the Israelites to kill all the Amalekites " men, women, children, infants, and their cattle " for something the Amalekites" ancestors had done 400 years earlier.
6. God kills 50,000 people for curiosity.
In 1 Samuel 6:19, God kills 50,000 men for peeking into the ark of the covenant. (Newer cosmetic translations count only 70 deaths, but their text notes admit that the best and earliest manuscripts put the number at 50,070.)
7. 3,000 Israelites killed for inventing a god.
In Exodus 32, Moses has climbed Mount Sinai to get the Ten Commandments. The Israelites are bored, so they invent a golden calf god. Moses comes back and God commands him: "Each man strap a sword to his side. Go back and forth through the camp from one end to the other, each killing his brother and friend and neighbor." About 3,000 people died.
8. The Amorites destroyed by sword and by God"s rocks.
In Joshua 10:10-11, God helps the Israelites slaughter the Amorites by sword, then finishes them off with rocks from the sky.
9. God burns two cities to death.
In Genesis 19:24, God kills everyone in Sodom and Gomorrah with fire from the sky. Then God kills Lot"s wife for looking back at her burning home.
10. God has 42 children mauled by bears.
In 2 Kings 2:23-24, some kids tease the prophet Elisha, and God sends bears to dismember them. (Newer cosmetic translations say the bears "maul" the children, but the original Hebrew, baqa, means "to tear apart.")
11. A tribe slaughtered and their virgins raped for not showing up at roll call.
In Judges 21:1-23, a tribe of Israelites misses roll call, so the other Israelites kill them all except for the virgins, which they take for themselves. Still not happy, they hide in vineyards and pounce on dancing women from Shiloh to take them for themselves.
12. 3,000 crushed to death.
In Judges 16:27-30, God gives Samson strength to bring down a building to crush 3,000 members of a rival tribe.
13. A concubine raped and dismembered.
In Judges 19:22-29, a mob demands to rape a godly master"s guest. The master offers his daughter and a concubine to them instead. They take the concubine and gang-rape her all night. The master finds her on his doorstep in the morning, cuts her into 12 pieces, and ships the pieces around the country.
14. Child sacrifice.
In Judges 11:30-39, Jephthah burns his daughter alive as a sacrificial offering for God"s favor in killing the Ammonites.
15. God helps Samson kill 30 men because he lost a bet.
In Judges 14:11-19, Samson loses a bet for 30 sets of clothes. The spirit of God comes upon him and he kills 30 men to steal their clothes and pay off the debt.
16. God demands you kill your wife and children for worshiping other gods.
In Deuteronomy 13:6-10, God commands that you must kill your wife, children, brother, and friend if they worship other gods.
17. God incinerates 51 men to make a point.
In 2 Kings 1:9-10, Elijah gets God to burn 51 men with fire from heaven to prove he is God.
18. God kills a man for not impregnating his brother"s widow.
In Genesis 38:9-10, God kills a man for refusing to impregnate his brother"s widow.
19. God threatens forced cannibalism.
In Leviticus 26:27-29 and Jeremiah 19:9, God threatens to punish the Israelites by making them eat their own children.
20. The coming slaughter.
According to Revelation 9:7-19, God"s got more evil coming. God will make horse-like locusts with human heads and scorpion tails, who torture people for 5 months. Then some angels will kill a third of the earth"s population. If he came today, that would be 2 billion people.
- See more at: http://commonsenseatheism.com...

That's a valid point on its own. But the point I'm making is; Jesus would be praying to himself.
"If we believe absurdities we shall commit atrocities." -- Voltaire
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1/19/2015 5:34:52 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/19/2015 5:04:03 PM, Beastt wrote:
At 1/19/2015 4:58:50 PM, Varrack wrote:
At 1/19/2015 3:38:32 PM, Beastt wrote:
Schizophrenia?

To set the example.

As a schizophrenic?

According to the Bible, he was terrible at setting examples. He preached "turn the other cheek", yet when upset by the money-changers in the Temple, he fashioned a weapon, ranted like a mad-man, assaulted them, chased their animals into the street, and flipped over their tables causing loss of profits and damage to their property. That's a long, long way from "turn the other cheek".

Exactly, it is a long way from "turn the other cheek" seeing as how it completely irrelevant to turning the other cheek, which refers to responding to a situation rather than instigating something.
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1/19/2015 5:39:24 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/19/2015 5:34:52 PM, Varrack wrote:
At 1/19/2015 5:04:03 PM, Beastt wrote:
At 1/19/2015 4:58:50 PM, Varrack wrote:
At 1/19/2015 3:38:32 PM, Beastt wrote:
Schizophrenia?

To set the example.

As a schizophrenic?

According to the Bible, he was terrible at setting examples. He preached "turn the other cheek", yet when upset by the money-changers in the Temple, he fashioned a weapon, ranted like a mad-man, assaulted them, chased their animals into the street, and flipped over their tables causing loss of profits and damage to their property. That's a long, long way from "turn the other cheek".

Exactly, it is a long way from "turn the other cheek" seeing as how it completely irrelevant to turning the other cheek, which refers to responding to a situation rather than instigating something.

It was Jesus' response to the money-changers misusing the Temple. So if someone hits you, let them hit you again. If they take your coat, allow them to take another garment as well. But if they conduct business in a "sacred" building, then you can act like an irrational jerk. Just another part of Christian doctrine.
"If we believe absurdities we shall commit atrocities." -- Voltaire
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1/19/2015 5:40:28 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/19/2015 5:39:24 PM, Beastt wrote:
At 1/19/2015 5:34:52 PM, Varrack wrote:
At 1/19/2015 5:04:03 PM, Beastt wrote:
At 1/19/2015 4:58:50 PM, Varrack wrote:
At 1/19/2015 3:38:32 PM, Beastt wrote:
Schizophrenia?

To set the example.

As a schizophrenic?

According to the Bible, he was terrible at setting examples. He preached "turn the other cheek", yet when upset by the money-changers in the Temple, he fashioned a weapon, ranted like a mad-man, assaulted them, chased their animals into the street, and flipped over their tables causing loss of profits and damage to their property. That's a long, long way from "turn the other cheek".

Exactly, it is a long way from "turn the other cheek" seeing as how it completely irrelevant to turning the other cheek, which refers to responding to a situation rather than instigating something.

It was Jesus' response to the money-changers misusing the Temple. So if someone hits you, let them hit you again. If they take your coat, allow them to take another garment as well. But if they conduct business in a "sacred" building, then you can act like an irrational jerk. Just another part of Christian doctrine.

Did the money-changers hit him? No? Then it's irrelevant.
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1/19/2015 5:42:00 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/19/2015 3:38:32 PM, Beastt wrote:
Schizophrenia?

If you're question is aimed at the Catholic/Fundamentalist definition of God, established by the mob tactics of Athanasius, then yes, it would be schizophrenia.
Thinking is extremely taxing on the gullible, and it takes hours to clear the smoke.
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1/19/2015 5:53:57 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/19/2015 5:40:28 PM, Varrack wrote:
At 1/19/2015 5:39:24 PM, Beastt wrote:
At 1/19/2015 5:34:52 PM, Varrack wrote:
At 1/19/2015 5:04:03 PM, Beastt wrote:
At 1/19/2015 4:58:50 PM, Varrack wrote:
At 1/19/2015 3:38:32 PM, Beastt wrote:
Schizophrenia?

To set the example.

As a schizophrenic?

According to the Bible, he was terrible at setting examples. He preached "turn the other cheek", yet when upset by the money-changers in the Temple, he fashioned a weapon, ranted like a mad-man, assaulted them, chased their animals into the street, and flipped over their tables causing loss of profits and damage to their property. That's a long, long way from "turn the other cheek".

Exactly, it is a long way from "turn the other cheek" seeing as how it completely irrelevant to turning the other cheek, which refers to responding to a situation rather than instigating something.

It was Jesus' response to the money-changers misusing the Temple. So if someone hits you, let them hit you again. If they take your coat, allow them to take another garment as well. But if they conduct business in a "sacred" building, then you can act like an irrational jerk. Just another part of Christian doctrine.

Did the money-changers hit him? No? Then it's irrelevant.
And yet Christians often accuse me of being too literal.
"If we believe absurdities we shall commit atrocities." -- Voltaire
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1/19/2015 5:55:42 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/19/2015 5:42:00 PM, Kyle_the_Heretic wrote:
At 1/19/2015 3:38:32 PM, Beastt wrote:
Schizophrenia?

If you're question is aimed at the Catholic/Fundamentalist definition of God, established by the mob tactics of Athanasius, then yes, it would be schizophrenia.

Well, if I failed to pigeon-hole your specific brand of Christianity, I'm sorry. But I'm not so sure anyone can realistically be expected to fully address all 38,000+ variations of Christianity with any single point.

So you believe Jesus and God are two different gods?
"If we believe absurdities we shall commit atrocities." -- Voltaire
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1/19/2015 6:01:44 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/19/2015 5:31:13 PM, Beastt wrote:
At 1/19/2015 5:15:53 PM, Harikrish wrote:
And if you think Jesus was schizoid . Look who he was praying too.
Jesus was praying to the God of the Bible who did all this.

1. God drowns the whole earth.
In Genesis 7:21-23, God drowns the entire population of the earth: men, women, children, fetuses, and perhaps unicorns. Only a single family survives. In Matthew 24:37-42, gentle Jesus approves of this genocide and plans to repeat it when he returns.
2. God kills half a million people.
In 2 Chronicles 13:15-18, God helps the men of Judah kill 500,000 of their fellow Israelites.
3. God slaughters all Egyptian firstborn.
In Exodus 12:29, God the baby-killer slaughters all Egyptian firstborn children and cattle because their king was stubborn.
4. God kills 14,000 people for complaining that God keeps killing them.
In Numbers 16:41-49, the Israelites complain that God is killing too many of them. So, God sends a plague that kills 14,000 more of them.
5. Genocide after genocide after genocide.
In Joshua 6:20-21, God helps the Israelites destroy Jericho, killing "men and women, young and old, cattle, sheep and donkeys." In Deuteronomy 2:32-35, God has the Israelites kill everyone in Heshbon, including children. In Deuteronomy 3:3-7, God has the Israelites do the same to the people of Bashan. In Numbers 31:7-18, the Israelites kill all the Midianites except for the virgins, whom they take as spoils of war. In 1 Samuel 15:1-9, God tells the Israelites to kill all the Amalekites " men, women, children, infants, and their cattle " for something the Amalekites" ancestors had done 400 years earlier.
6. God kills 50,000 people for curiosity.
In 1 Samuel 6:19, God kills 50,000 men for peeking into the ark of the covenant. (Newer cosmetic translations count only 70 deaths, but their text notes admit that the best and earliest manuscripts put the number at 50,070.)
7. 3,000 Israelites killed for inventing a god.
In Exodus 32, Moses has climbed Mount Sinai to get the Ten Commandments. The Israelites are bored, so they invent a golden calf god. Moses comes back and God commands him: "Each man strap a sword to his side. Go back and forth through the camp from one end to the other, each killing his brother and friend and neighbor." About 3,000 people died.
8. The Amorites destroyed by sword and by God"s rocks.
In Joshua 10:10-11, God helps the Israelites slaughter the Amorites by sword, then finishes them off with rocks from the sky.
9. God burns two cities to death.
In Genesis 19:24, God kills everyone in Sodom and Gomorrah with fire from the sky. Then God kills Lot"s wife for looking back at her burning home.
10. God has 42 children mauled by bears.
In 2 Kings 2:23-24, some kids tease the prophet Elisha, and God sends bears to dismember them. (Newer cosmetic translations say the bears "maul" the children, but the original Hebrew, baqa, means "to tear apart.")
11. A tribe slaughtered and their virgins raped for not showing up at roll call.
In Judges 21:1-23, a tribe of Israelites misses roll call, so the other Israelites kill them all except for the virgins, which they take for themselves. Still not happy, they hide in vineyards and pounce on dancing women from Shiloh to take them for themselves.
12. 3,000 crushed to death.
In Judges 16:27-30, God gives Samson strength to bring down a building to crush 3,000 members of a rival tribe.
13. A concubine raped and dismembered.
In Judges 19:22-29, a mob demands to rape a godly master"s guest. The master offers his daughter and a concubine to them instead. They take the concubine and gang-rape her all night. The master finds her on his doorstep in the morning, cuts her into 12 pieces, and ships the pieces around the country.
14. Child sacrifice.
In Judges 11:30-39, Jephthah burns his daughter alive as a sacrificial offering for God"s favor in killing the Ammonites.
15. God helps Samson kill 30 men because he lost a bet.
In Judges 14:11-19, Samson loses a bet for 30 sets of clothes. The spirit of God comes upon him and he kills 30 men to steal their clothes and pay off the debt.
16. God demands you kill your wife and children for worshiping other gods.
In Deuteronomy 13:6-10, God commands that you must kill your wife, children, brother, and friend if they worship other gods.
17. God incinerates 51 men to make a point.
In 2 Kings 1:9-10, Elijah gets God to burn 51 men with fire from heaven to prove he is God.
18. God kills a man for not impregnating his brother"s widow.
In Genesis 38:9-10, God kills a man for refusing to impregnate his brother"s widow.
19. God threatens forced cannibalism.
In Leviticus 26:27-29 and Jeremiah 19:9, God threatens to punish the Israelites by making them eat their own children.
20. The coming slaughter.
According to Revelation 9:7-19, God"s got more evil coming. God will make horse-like locusts with human heads and scorpion tails, who torture people for 5 months. Then some angels will kill a third of the earth"s population. If he came today, that would be 2 billion people.
- See more at: http://commonsenseatheism.com...

That's a valid point on its own. But the point I'm making is; Jesus would be praying to himself.

You can just as easily accuse Jesus of committing the crimes of his father God when he was God.
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1/19/2015 6:03:57 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/19/2015 6:01:44 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 1/19/2015 5:31:13 PM, Beastt wrote:
At 1/19/2015 5:15:53 PM, Harikrish wrote:
And if you think Jesus was schizoid . Look who he was praying too.
Jesus was praying to the God of the Bible who did all this.

1. God drowns the whole earth.
In Genesis 7:21-23, God drowns the entire population of the earth: men, women, children, fetuses, and perhaps unicorns. Only a single family survives. In Matthew 24:37-42, gentle Jesus approves of this genocide and plans to repeat it when he returns.
2. God kills half a million people.
In 2 Chronicles 13:15-18, God helps the men of Judah kill 500,000 of their fellow Israelites.
3. God slaughters all Egyptian firstborn.
In Exodus 12:29, God the baby-killer slaughters all Egyptian firstborn children and cattle because their king was stubborn.
4. God kills 14,000 people for complaining that God keeps killing them.
In Numbers 16:41-49, the Israelites complain that God is killing too many of them. So, God sends a plague that kills 14,000 more of them.
5. Genocide after genocide after genocide.
In Joshua 6:20-21, God helps the Israelites destroy Jericho, killing "men and women, young and old, cattle, sheep and donkeys." In Deuteronomy 2:32-35, God has the Israelites kill everyone in Heshbon, including children. In Deuteronomy 3:3-7, God has the Israelites do the same to the people of Bashan. In Numbers 31:7-18, the Israelites kill all the Midianites except for the virgins, whom they take as spoils of war. In 1 Samuel 15:1-9, God tells the Israelites to kill all the Amalekites " men, women, children, infants, and their cattle " for something the Amalekites" ancestors had done 400 years earlier.
6. God kills 50,000 people for curiosity.
In 1 Samuel 6:19, God kills 50,000 men for peeking into the ark of the covenant. (Newer cosmetic translations count only 70 deaths, but their text notes admit that the best and earliest manuscripts put the number at 50,070.)
7. 3,000 Israelites killed for inventing a god.
In Exodus 32, Moses has climbed Mount Sinai to get the Ten Commandments. The Israelites are bored, so they invent a golden calf god. Moses comes back and God commands him: "Each man strap a sword to his side. Go back and forth through the camp from one end to the other, each killing his brother and friend and neighbor." About 3,000 people died.
8. The Amorites destroyed by sword and by God"s rocks.
In Joshua 10:10-11, God helps the Israelites slaughter the Amorites by sword, then finishes them off with rocks from the sky.
9. God burns two cities to death.
In Genesis 19:24, God kills everyone in Sodom and Gomorrah with fire from the sky. Then God kills Lot"s wife for looking back at her burning home.
10. God has 42 children mauled by bears.
In 2 Kings 2:23-24, some kids tease the prophet Elisha, and God sends bears to dismember them. (Newer cosmetic translations say the bears "maul" the children, but the original Hebrew, baqa, means "to tear apart.")
11. A tribe slaughtered and their virgins raped for not showing up at roll call.
In Judges 21:1-23, a tribe of Israelites misses roll call, so the other Israelites kill them all except for the virgins, which they take for themselves. Still not happy, they hide in vineyards and pounce on dancing women from Shiloh to take them for themselves.
12. 3,000 crushed to death.
In Judges 16:27-30, God gives Samson strength to bring down a building to crush 3,000 members of a rival tribe.
13. A concubine raped and dismembered.
In Judges 19:22-29, a mob demands to rape a godly master"s guest. The master offers his daughter and a concubine to them instead. They take the concubine and gang-rape her all night. The master finds her on his doorstep in the morning, cuts her into 12 pieces, and ships the pieces around the country.
14. Child sacrifice.
In Judges 11:30-39, Jephthah burns his daughter alive as a sacrificial offering for God"s favor in killing the Ammonites.
15. God helps Samson kill 30 men because he lost a bet.
In Judges 14:11-19, Samson loses a bet for 30 sets of clothes. The spirit of God comes upon him and he kills 30 men to steal their clothes and pay off the debt.
16. God demands you kill your wife and children for worshiping other gods.
In Deuteronomy 13:6-10, God commands that you must kill your wife, children, brother, and friend if they worship other gods.
17. God incinerates 51 men to make a point.
In 2 Kings 1:9-10, Elijah gets God to burn 51 men with fire from heaven to prove he is God.
18. God kills a man for not impregnating his brother"s widow.
In Genesis 38:9-10, God kills a man for refusing to impregnate his brother"s widow.
19. God threatens forced cannibalism.
In Leviticus 26:27-29 and Jeremiah 19:9, God threatens to punish the Israelites by making them eat their own children.
20. The coming slaughter.
According to Revelation 9:7-19, God"s got more evil coming. God will make horse-like locusts with human heads and scorpion tails, who torture people for 5 months. Then some angels will kill a third of the earth"s population. If he came today, that would be 2 billion people.
- See more at: http://commonsenseatheism.com...

That's a valid point on its own. But the point I'm making is; Jesus would be praying to himself.

You can just as easily accuse Jesus of committing the crimes of his father God when he was God.

Yes, that's a very valid point. If Jesus was God, then every atrocity carried out by God, was carried out by Jesus. That's simply a separate, but valid point.
"If we believe absurdities we shall commit atrocities." -- Voltaire
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1/19/2015 9:45:23 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/19/2015 5:55:42 PM, Beastt wrote:
At 1/19/2015 5:42:00 PM, Kyle_the_Heretic wrote:
At 1/19/2015 3:38:32 PM, Beastt wrote:
Schizophrenia?

If you're question is aimed at the Catholic/Fundamentalist definition of God, established by the mob tactics of Athanasius, then yes, it would be schizophrenia.

Well, if I failed to pigeon-hole your specific brand of Christianity, I'm sorry. But I'm not so sure anyone can realistically be expected to fully address all 38,000+ variations of Christianity with any single point.

I agree with you, and you get defensive. Go figure. You chose not to be more specific, so I clarified my agreement, because it's foolish to agree with generalities.

But then, you weren't really looking for a civil discussion here, were you?

So you believe Jesus and God are two different gods?

Basically, yes. But to clarify, I believe the Father and the Son are two separate and distinct individuals that are one in complete agreement that possess the title of God.

Just as the two Walmart stores in my county are separate and distinct buildings that are called Walmart, and not the Walmarts, the Father and the Son are two separate and distinct beings that are called God, and not the Gods.
Thinking is extremely taxing on the gullible, and it takes hours to clear the smoke.
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1/19/2015 10:23:26 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/19/2015 9:45:23 PM, Kyle_the_Heretic wrote:
At 1/19/2015 5:55:42 PM, Beastt wrote:
At 1/19/2015 5:42:00 PM, Kyle_the_Heretic wrote:
At 1/19/2015 3:38:32 PM, Beastt wrote:
Schizophrenia?

If you're question is aimed at the Catholic/Fundamentalist definition of God, established by the mob tactics of Athanasius, then yes, it would be schizophrenia.

Well, if I failed to pigeon-hole your specific brand of Christianity, I'm sorry. But I'm not so sure anyone can realistically be expected to fully address all 38,000+ variations of Christianity with any single point.

I agree with you, and you get defensive. Go figure.
And yet, in your comments below, it becomes clear that you're in partial agreement, and partial disagreement.

You chose not to be more specific, so I clarified my agreement, because it's foolish to agree with generalities.
While there are a few Christian denominations who do not believe that Jesus and God are one, I'm not sure which ones they are. At any rate, they're a very tiny minority.

But then, you weren't really looking for a civil discussion here, were you?
And I didn't get one. Instead I get 1+1=1 from you.

So you believe Jesus and God are two different gods?

Basically, yes. But to clarify, I believe the Father and the Son are two separate and distinct individuals that are one in complete agreement that possess the title of God.

Just as the two Walmart stores in my county are separate and distinct buildings that are called Walmart, and not the Walmarts, the Father and the Son are two separate and distinct beings that are called God, and not the Gods.
This is actually one of the best analogies I've seen for the Trinity. None-the-less, it's still a ridiculous idea. It's really no different than the pagan god systems where different gods were assigned dominion over various aspects of nature. And they had the integrity to not try to claim these multiple gods as monotheism. The correct observation here is that you're talking about two stores, not one store. With the Trinity, it is claimed that we have distinctly different entities, comprising a single entity. Multiple entities is different than a single entity. So you come right back to Jesus praying to himself.
"If we believe absurdities we shall commit atrocities." -- Voltaire
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1/19/2015 10:30:51 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/19/2015 4:31:26 PM, Beastt wrote:
At 1/19/2015 4:10:59 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 1/19/2015 3:38:32 PM, Beastt wrote:
Schizophrenia?

Since when was talking to your father a sign of schizophrenia?
When you're your own father.

We all do it.
You sit down, clasp your hands in front of you, close your eyes and talk to yourself?
I repeat... "Schizophrenia".

God's son, like any son, was one generation down from his father.
According to Christian doctrine, he IS his own father.

This doesn't have the flavor of a discussion. It smells like targeted ridicule with what seems to be a goal of stirring-up emotions.
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1/19/2015 10:33:48 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/19/2015 10:30:51 PM, Idealist wrote:
At 1/19/2015 4:31:26 PM, Beastt wrote:
At 1/19/2015 4:10:59 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 1/19/2015 3:38:32 PM, Beastt wrote:
Schizophrenia?

Since when was talking to your father a sign of schizophrenia?
When you're your own father.

We all do it.
You sit down, clasp your hands in front of you, close your eyes and talk to yourself?
I repeat... "Schizophrenia".

God's son, like any son, was one generation down from his father.
According to Christian doctrine, he IS his own father.

This doesn't have the flavor of a discussion. It smells like targeted ridicule with what seems to be a goal of stirring-up emotions.

It's a rational point. If Jesus was God, it would be beyond silly for him to pray.

You can address that, or you can continue to sling false accusations.
"If we believe absurdities we shall commit atrocities." -- Voltaire
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1/19/2015 10:38:40 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/19/2015 10:33:48 PM, Beastt wrote:
At 1/19/2015 10:30:51 PM, Idealist wrote:
At 1/19/2015 4:31:26 PM, Beastt wrote:
At 1/19/2015 4:10:59 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 1/19/2015 3:38:32 PM, Beastt wrote:
Schizophrenia?

Since when was talking to your father a sign of schizophrenia?
When you're your own father.

We all do it.
You sit down, clasp your hands in front of you, close your eyes and talk to yourself?
I repeat... "Schizophrenia".

God's son, like any son, was one generation down from his father.
According to Christian doctrine, he IS his own father.

This doesn't have the flavor of a discussion. It smells like targeted ridicule with what seems to be a goal of stirring-up emotions.

It's a rational point. If Jesus was God, it would be beyond silly for him to pray.

You can address that, or you can continue to sling false accusations.

Now see, that's a much better way of putting it. You are letting us know that this is based on the assumption that Jesus was God (not an belief which all Christians have, let alone non-Christians). And I slung no accusations at you. I gave a personal opinion on the appearance of your stated question / proposition.
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1/19/2015 10:40:19 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/19/2015 10:33:48 PM, Beastt wrote:
At 1/19/2015 10:30:51 PM, Idealist wrote:
At 1/19/2015 4:31:26 PM, Beastt wrote:
At 1/19/2015 4:10:59 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 1/19/2015 3:38:32 PM, Beastt wrote:
Schizophrenia?

Since when was talking to your father a sign of schizophrenia?
When you're your own father.

We all do it.
You sit down, clasp your hands in front of you, close your eyes and talk to yourself?
I repeat... "Schizophrenia".

God's son, like any son, was one generation down from his father.
According to Christian doctrine, he IS his own father.

This doesn't have the flavor of a discussion. It smells like targeted ridicule with what seems to be a goal of stirring-up emotions.

It's a rational point. If Jesus was God, it would be beyond silly for him to pray.

You can address that, or you can continue to sling false accusations.

To answer this better question you've asked, I would say that it makes no sense, which would tend to point to the supposition that Jesus didn't see himself as God.
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1/19/2015 10:58:20 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/19/2015 10:38:40 PM, Idealist wrote:
At 1/19/2015 10:33:48 PM, Beastt wrote:
At 1/19/2015 10:30:51 PM, Idealist wrote:
At 1/19/2015 4:31:26 PM, Beastt wrote:
At 1/19/2015 4:10:59 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 1/19/2015 3:38:32 PM, Beastt wrote:
Schizophrenia?

Since when was talking to your father a sign of schizophrenia?
When you're your own father.

We all do it.
You sit down, clasp your hands in front of you, close your eyes and talk to yourself?
I repeat... "Schizophrenia".

God's son, like any son, was one generation down from his father.
According to Christian doctrine, he IS his own father.

This doesn't have the flavor of a discussion. It smells like targeted ridicule with what seems to be a goal of stirring-up emotions.

It's a rational point. If Jesus was God, it would be beyond silly for him to pray.

You can address that, or you can continue to sling false accusations.

Now see, that's a much better way of putting it. You are letting us know that this is based on the assumption that Jesus was God (not an belief which all Christians have, let alone non-Christians). And I slung no accusations at you. I gave a personal opinion on the appearance of your stated question / proposition.

If you couldn't figure out that this is about the common Christian claim that Jesus was God, then you really don't belong in a religious debate. While it is true that a few Christian denominations don't believe that Jesus was God, it's part of the Nicene Creed which was developed as the belief standards for all of Christianity.

And yes, you did sling accusations by claiming that the thread looked like "targeted ridicule". It's a question, silly. It's not ridicule. It does deal with one of the many absurdities of Christianity, but does so by asking a question, thereby presenting an opportunity for Christians to explain it.
"If we believe absurdities we shall commit atrocities." -- Voltaire