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Is It Correct to Be Called Agnostic?

ChristianPunk
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1/19/2015 7:22:16 PM
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I was reading The Language of God by Francis Collins and he brings up Agnosticism and how the word was invented. I even read the passage where Thomas Huxley used the term. But the question is, if one says "I'm not an atheist, I'm an agnostic." Are they being correct or are they wrong to a certain degree? This is bothering me. I just consider myself an Agnostic Theist because I believe real faith is admitting you can't have knowledge or know about the deity for absolute certainty. So that's why I believe in calling myself that.

What is the correct way to use the terms of (a)theist and (a)gnostic.
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1/19/2015 9:02:41 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/19/2015 7:22:16 PM, ChristianPunk wrote:
I was reading The Language of God by Francis Collins and he brings up Agnosticism and how the word was invented. I even read the passage where Thomas Huxley used the term. But the question is, if one says "I'm not an atheist, I'm an agnostic." Are they being correct or are they wrong to a certain degree? This is bothering me. I just consider myself an Agnostic Theist because I believe real faith is admitting you can't have knowledge or know about the deity for absolute certainty. So that's why I believe in calling myself that.

What is the correct way to use the terms of (a)theist and (a)gnostic.

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1/19/2015 9:33:02 PM
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At 1/19/2015 7:22:16 PM, ChristianPunk wrote:
I was reading The Language of God by Francis Collins and he brings up Agnosticism and how the word was invented. I even read the passage where Thomas Huxley used the term. But the question is, if one says "I'm not an atheist, I'm an agnostic." Are they being correct or are they wrong to a certain degree? This is bothering me. I just consider myself an Agnostic Theist because I believe real faith is admitting you can't have knowledge or know about the deity for absolute certainty. So that's why I believe in calling myself that.

What is the correct way to use the terms of (a)theist and (a)gnostic.

Gnosticism deals with knowledge. (A)theism deals with a belief.

Agnostic theist: believes in God, but doesn't know.
Gnostic theist: believes in God, and does know.
Agnostic atheist: Doesn't believe in a god, but doesn't know.
Gnostic atheist: Doesn't believe in a god, and does know.

Many people define atheism as being a belief in no gods, while agnosticism being somewhere in the middle. I would say my atheism is a lack of a belief, but public opinion is divided.
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1/19/2015 9:36:06 PM
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At 1/19/2015 7:22:16 PM, ChristianPunk wrote:
I was reading The Language of God by Francis Collins and he brings up Agnosticism and how the word was invented. I even read the passage where Thomas Huxley used the term. But the question is, if one says "I'm not an atheist, I'm an agnostic." Are they being correct or are they wrong to a certain degree? This is bothering me. I just consider myself an Agnostic Theist because I believe real faith is admitting you can't have knowledge or know about the deity for absolute certainty. So that's why I believe in calling myself that.

What is the correct way to use the terms of (a)theist and (a)gnostic.

Agnosticism is appropriate given the knowledge we have of god (which is none). You can be an agnostic theist or an agnostic atheist depending on which side of belief you fall. Either position is not certainly committed to belief (or disbelief) due to lack of knowledge. I find this to be reasonable.
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1/20/2015 12:39:14 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/19/2015 7:22:16 PM, ChristianPunk wrote:
I was reading The Language of God by Francis Collins and he brings up Agnosticism and how the word was invented. I even read the passage where Thomas Huxley used the term. But the question is, if one says "I'm not an atheist, I'm an agnostic." Are they being correct or are they wrong to a certain degree? This is bothering me. I just consider myself an Agnostic Theist because I believe real faith is admitting you can't have knowledge or know about the deity for absolute certainty. So that's why I believe in calling myself that.

What is the correct way to use the terms of (a)theist and (a)gnostic.

You can be an agnostic theist, deist or atheist. It is very wrong to use the term alone and funny enough those who do tend to be agnostic atheists. Hence when I see a person calling oneself agnostic, I just think to myself ' another confused atheist'.
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1/20/2015 5:43:53 AM
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I considered myself an agnostic until age 35 when "out of nowhere" I went through a most profound religious experience and yes, found God. That was when I realized that "agnostic" is really only atheism given a smiley face and about as real. When you are "without knowledge of God" i.e. agnostic you are really without God, there is no in-between state possible. Once you "know" God, as I came to know God Most High and the Spirit of Christ as I did beginning with going through three days of non-stop synchronicity experiences that toppled all my science can explain all ideas, I had to drop the whole doubt about God mentality as I was overwhelmed with evidence of God's power to completely manipulate my whole little world for three days with these synchronicity events all about the Messages and record of God's presence in our world and its relationship to our lives. I was put on point duty then and have been pointing to what I've learned in spiritual experiences of Gnosis of God, Knowledge of God, and so, my days as an atheist without knowledge of God are gone forever, they haven't any truth for me since Easter of 1979 when God put on my prophesy bearing path.
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1/20/2015 5:49:35 AM
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You know perhaps I am not writing to you here and now but this is all being logged on the Internet for future generations to find for themselves. This generation is lost in the Old World mentality except here and there where the New Age is seen, felt and honored as it has arrived, been arriving since the second half of the 20th Century and officially, all astrological discrepancies unified into one date, the Mayan End Times Calendar date of Dec 21st, 2012 our calendar. Do any of you feel the Aquariana Divide?
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1/20/2015 5:52:43 AM
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The Humanitarians are one side of the Aquariana Divide. The worshipers of Mammon and the Anti-Christ (anti-humanitarian) on the other. Which side are you on?