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Why atheism and not agnosticism?

Geneaux
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1/20/2015 7:31:12 PM
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If you have logically coherent ideas about God/s (I believe most religions offer that), then why assume it's impossible there is a God and be atheist rather than be agnostic?

We have no evidence there are no Gods.
Burzmali
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1/20/2015 7:59:29 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/20/2015 7:31:12 PM, Geneaux wrote:
If you have logically coherent ideas about God/s (I believe most religions offer that), then why assume it's impossible there is a God and be atheist rather than be agnostic?

We have no evidence there are no Gods.

Why do you keep failing to understand what atheism is?
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1/20/2015 7:59:50 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/20/2015 7:31:12 PM, Geneaux wrote:
If you have logically coherent ideas about God/s (I believe most religions offer that), then why assume it's impossible there is a God and be atheist rather than be agnostic?

We have no evidence there are no Gods.

We have no evidence there are no fairies either. Do you believe in fairies because we have no evidence that they don't exist?

What logically makes you decide that any mythical character is indeed mythical?
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1/20/2015 8:05:11 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/20/2015 7:31:12 PM, Geneaux wrote:
If you have logically coherent ideas about God/s (I believe most religions offer that), then why assume it's impossible there is a God and be atheist rather than be agnostic?

We have no evidence there are no Gods.

Most atheists don't assume god is impossible. We also do not assume that "god" refers to the god believed by any known religions.
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1/20/2015 8:10:19 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/20/2015 7:31:12 PM, Geneaux wrote:
If you have logically coherent ideas about God/s (I believe most religions offer that), then why assume it's impossible there is a God and be atheist rather than be agnostic?

We have no evidence there are no Gods.

Define 'God'.

Until you do I remain both an ignostic (with an 'i') and an atheist.
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1/20/2015 8:41:26 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/20/2015 7:31:12 PM, Geneaux wrote:
If you have logically coherent ideas about God/s (I believe most religions offer that), then why assume it's impossible there is a God and be atheist rather than be agnostic?

We have no evidence there are no Gods.

Most atheists are agnostic when talking about the possibility of there being a god or gods. Something that is very common is that they (including myself) are usually ignostic when it comes to the God of Abraham and believe said god is totally, 100%, a man made god. I don't know a single atheist who is agnostic when it comes to the god associated with the old testament. Maybe there is one here, but I doubt it.
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1/20/2015 8:52:15 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/20/2015 7:31:12 PM, Geneaux wrote:
If you have logically coherent ideas about God/s (I believe most religions offer that)

False premise, there are no logically coherent ideas about God.
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1/20/2015 9:29:27 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/20/2015 7:31:12 PM, Geneaux wrote:
If you have logically coherent ideas about God/s (I believe most religions offer that), then why assume it's impossible there is a God and be atheist rather than be agnostic?

Please educate yourself...
http://1.bp.blogspot.com...
Mhykiel
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1/20/2015 9:44:29 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/20/2015 9:29:27 PM, Double_R wrote:
At 1/20/2015 7:31:12 PM, Geneaux wrote:
If you have logically coherent ideas about God/s (I believe most religions offer that), then why assume it's impossible there is a God and be atheist rather than be agnostic?

Please educate yourself...
http://1.bp.blogspot.com...

False Dichotomy. Agnostic is defined as a person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God or of anything beyond material phenomena. That is NOTHING is known or can be known.

And yet your chart says anything less than 100% certainty is agnostic. There is a gulf ~99% difference between definition and chart.

Theist who make an assertive claim of God sometimes are not 100% certain, but feel God is a likely conclusion.

Certainty is an illusory quality.
Double_R
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1/20/2015 9:50:05 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/20/2015 9:44:29 PM, Mhykiel wrote:
At 1/20/2015 9:29:27 PM, Double_R wrote:
At 1/20/2015 7:31:12 PM, Geneaux wrote:
If you have logically coherent ideas about God/s (I believe most religions offer that), then why assume it's impossible there is a God and be atheist rather than be agnostic?

Please educate yourself...
http://1.bp.blogspot.com...

False Dichotomy. Agnostic is defined as a person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God or of anything beyond material phenomena. That is NOTHING is known or can be known.

And yet your chart says anything less than 100% certainty is agnostic. There is a gulf ~99% difference between definition and chart.

Theist who make an assertive claim of God sometimes are not 100% certain, but feel God is a likely conclusion.

Certainty is an illusory quality.

Nitpicking as to what counts as knowledge comes way after where the OP is right now.
Mhykiel
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1/20/2015 10:10:28 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/20/2015 9:50:05 PM, Double_R wrote:
At 1/20/2015 9:44:29 PM, Mhykiel wrote:
At 1/20/2015 9:29:27 PM, Double_R wrote:
At 1/20/2015 7:31:12 PM, Geneaux wrote:
If you have logically coherent ideas about God/s (I believe most religions offer that), then why assume it's impossible there is a God and be atheist rather than be agnostic?

Please educate yourself...
http://1.bp.blogspot.com...

False Dichotomy. Agnostic is defined as a person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God or of anything beyond material phenomena. That is NOTHING is known or can be known.

And yet your chart says anything less than 100% certainty is agnostic. There is a gulf ~99% difference between definition and chart.

Theist who make an assertive claim of God sometimes are not 100% certain, but feel God is a likely conclusion.

Certainty is an illusory quality.

Nitpicking as to what counts as knowledge comes way after where the OP is right now.

Making any claim from an agnostic position is purely emotional and speculation. There is nothing rational about them.

You're on a game show and there is one curtain. You're asked what is behind the curtain.

Now let's a rational intellectual discussion about what you said. If it wasn't "I don't know" Then there is nothing to talk about.
Geneaux
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1/21/2015 3:10:02 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/20/2015 7:59:29 PM, Burzmali wrote:
At 1/20/2015 7:31:12 PM, Geneaux wrote:
If you have logically coherent ideas about God/s (I believe most religions offer that), then why assume it's impossible there is a God and be atheist rather than be agnostic?

We have no evidence there are no Gods.

Why do you keep failing to understand what atheism is?

Why do atheists keep defining atheism in a nonstandard way? Atheism is not believing in God's existence. Every dictionary and philosophical textbook describes it as such.
Burzmali
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1/21/2015 1:09:43 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/21/2015 3:10:02 AM, Geneaux wrote:
At 1/20/2015 7:59:29 PM, Burzmali wrote:
At 1/20/2015 7:31:12 PM, Geneaux wrote:
If you have logically coherent ideas about God/s (I believe most religions offer that), then why assume it's impossible there is a God and be atheist rather than be agnostic?

We have no evidence there are no Gods.

Why do you keep failing to understand what atheism is?

Why do atheists keep defining atheism in a nonstandard way? Atheism is not believing in God's existence. Every dictionary and philosophical textbook describes it as such.

Right, and not believing in something is distinctly different from believing that said something doesn't exist. "We have no evidence there are no gods" is a ridiculous thing to say to someone who simply lacks belief.
Graincruncher
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1/21/2015 1:23:47 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/21/2015 3:10:02 AM, Geneaux wrote:
At 1/20/2015 7:59:29 PM, Burzmali wrote:
At 1/20/2015 7:31:12 PM, Geneaux wrote:
If you have logically coherent ideas about God/s (I believe most religions offer that), then why assume it's impossible there is a God and be atheist rather than be agnostic?

We have no evidence there are no Gods.

Why do you keep failing to understand what atheism is?

Why do atheists keep defining atheism in a nonstandard way? Atheism is not believing in God's existence. Every dictionary and philosophical textbook describes it as such.

They don't. Try parsing your own post; they do not believe that there is a god. That is different from believing there is not a god.

Here's some two-part rambling that shows why you're an idiot:

http://www.aynrant.com...
http://www.aynrant.com...
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1/23/2015 6:13:17 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Why do atheists keep defining atheism in a nonstandard way? Atheism is not believing in God's existence. Every dictionary and philosophical textbook describes it as such.

Because for many years, the terms to used were to insult rather then define. USA defined russia as a communist country, by the definition of communisim it is not. As a Do you go with popular verbage or use it as the term is intended.

How and what you define things usually have some standing to what your idea of it its.
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1/23/2015 6:38:32 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/20/2015 7:31:12 PM, Geneaux wrote:
If you have logically coherent ideas about God/s (I believe most religions offer that), then why assume it's impossible there is a God and be atheist rather than be agnostic?

We have no evidence there are no Gods.

We have no evidence there are no aliens abducting humans and raping them either.

Although we can't disprove such things we do form views that it probably doesn't exist. Some people do the same with "God".
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