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1/21/2015 10:17:18 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
Just starting a tournament because I feel like it, so...

It is my personal belief that anyone that holds a position strongly should be able to play devil's advocate, so I figured I would make this.

If you wish to debate you must agree to play devil's advocate in your debate on a religious topic.

Some examples of topics include:
1) Does God exist?
2) Moral realism vs moral relativism
3) Holy Book X is infallible
4) Creationism/ID vs Evolution
5) Belief in god is justifiable

Everyone will have 4 debates in this tournament, every atheist will debate every theist. In the case of a tie, there will be a tie breaker debate(s).

DEBATE STRUCTURE:
4 rounds, 8,000 characters per round, 2 days between rounds.
First round acceptance.
1 week voting period.

The first round must be started on February 1st.

Sign up:
THEISTS:
1)
2)
3)
4)

ATHEISTS:
1)
2)
3)
4)
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1/21/2015 10:32:59 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
I'm quite good at playing devils advocate (hmm, modesty) but I don't think I have time to do this. I will watch with great interest though.
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1/21/2015 12:16:40 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/21/2015 10:17:18 AM, SNP1 wrote:
Just starting a tournament because I feel like it, so...

It is my personal belief that anyone that holds a position strongly should be able to play devil's advocate, so I figured I would make this.

If you wish to debate you must agree to play devil's advocate in your debate on a religious topic.

Some examples of topics include:
1) Does God exist?
2) Moral realism vs moral relativism
3) Holy Book X is infallible
4) Creationism/ID vs Evolution
5) Belief in god is justifiable

Everyone will have 4 debates in this tournament, every atheist will debate every theist. In the case of a tie, there will be a tie breaker debate(s).

DEBATE STRUCTURE:
4 rounds, 8,000 characters per round, 2 days between rounds.
First round acceptance.
1 week voting period.

The first round must be started on February 1st.

Sign up:
THEISTS:
1)
2)
3)
4)

ATHEISTS:
1)
2)
3)
4)

Will the debate topic and opponent be determined by lottery? Will all debates be going on at the same time?
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1/21/2015 12:24:19 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/21/2015 12:16:40 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
Will the debate topic and opponent be determined by lottery? Will all debates be going on at the same time?

You and your opponent must agree on a topic before the debate starts, all the first round debates will be going on at the same time.

I will post who you are facing when all the spots are taken. Everyone on the atheist side will debate everyone on the theist side. Similar to a round robin without atheists debating each other or theists debating each other except in the case of a tie.
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1/21/2015 12:39:08 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/21/2015 10:17:18 AM, SNP1 wrote:
Just starting a tournament because I feel like it, so...

It is my personal belief that anyone that holds a position strongly should be able to play devil's advocate, so I figured I would make this.

If you wish to debate you must agree to play devil's advocate in your debate on a religious topic.

Some examples of topics include:
1) Does God exist?
2) Moral realism vs moral relativism
3) Holy Book X is infallible
4) Creationism/ID vs Evolution
5) Belief in god is justifiable

Everyone will have 4 debates in this tournament, every atheist will debate every theist. In the case of a tie, there will be a tie breaker debate(s).

DEBATE STRUCTURE:
4 rounds, 8,000 characters per round, 2 days between rounds.
First round acceptance.
1 week voting period.

The first round must be started on February 1st.

Sign up:
THEISTS:
1)
2)
3)
4)

ATHEISTS:
1)
2)
3)
4)

I would probably do this if I had more time, I'm up for a promotion at work so I am focusing more of my time on that.
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1/21/2015 1:04:02 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/21/2015 12:24:19 PM, SNP1 wrote:
At 1/21/2015 12:16:40 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
Will the debate topic and opponent be determined by lottery? Will all debates be going on at the same time?

You and your opponent must agree on a topic before the debate starts, all the first round debates will be going on at the same time.

I will post who you are facing when all the spots are taken. Everyone on the atheist side will debate everyone on the theist side. Similar to a round robin without atheists debating each other or theists debating each other except in the case of a tie.

Ok, so I will only be dealing with one debate at a time, and it is possible that I may argue a resolution more than once? I'm a little leary of the two day time frame, but I think I can figure it out.
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1/21/2015 1:05:01 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/21/2015 1:04:02 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 1/21/2015 12:24:19 PM, SNP1 wrote:
At 1/21/2015 12:16:40 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
Will the debate topic and opponent be determined by lottery? Will all debates be going on at the same time?

You and your opponent must agree on a topic before the debate starts, all the first round debates will be going on at the same time.

I will post who you are facing when all the spots are taken. Everyone on the atheist side will debate everyone on the theist side. Similar to a round robin without atheists debating each other or theists debating each other except in the case of a tie.

Ok, so I will only be dealing with one debate at a time, and it is possible that I may argue a resolution more than once? I'm a little leary of the two day time frame, but I think I can figure it out.

You can debate the same resolution multiple times if your opponent wants to, but I personally think that is a little boring.
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1/21/2015 1:42:41 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/21/2015 1:05:01 PM, SNP1 wrote:
At 1/21/2015 1:04:02 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 1/21/2015 12:24:19 PM, SNP1 wrote:
At 1/21/2015 12:16:40 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
Will the debate topic and opponent be determined by lottery? Will all debates be going on at the same time?

You and your opponent must agree on a topic before the debate starts, all the first round debates will be going on at the same time.

I will post who you are facing when all the spots are taken. Everyone on the atheist side will debate everyone on the theist side. Similar to a round robin without atheists debating each other or theists debating each other except in the case of a tie.

Ok, so I will only be dealing with one debate at a time, and it is possible that I may argue a resolution more than once? I'm a little leary of the two day time frame, but I think I can figure it out.

You can debate the same resolution multiple times if your opponent wants to, but I personally think that is a little boring.

Well, that is not what I was suggesting, but you did answer my question. I'm in. I'll be the fodder for the theists!
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1/21/2015 1:46:49 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/21/2015 10:17:18 AM, SNP1 wrote:
Just starting a tournament because I feel like it, so...

It is my personal belief that anyone that holds a position strongly should be able to play devil's advocate, so I figured I would make this.

If you wish to debate you must agree to play devil's advocate in your debate on a religious topic.

Some examples of topics include:
1) Does God exist?
2) Moral realism vs moral relativism
3) Holy Book X is infallible
4) Creationism/ID vs Evolution
5) Belief in god is justifiable

Everyone will have 4 debates in this tournament, every atheist will debate every theist. In the case of a tie, there will be a tie breaker debate(s).

DEBATE STRUCTURE:
4 rounds, 8,000 characters per round, 2 days between rounds.
First round acceptance.
1 week voting period.

The first round must be started on February 1st.

Sign up:
THEISTS:
1)
2)
3)
4)

ATHEISTS:
1) Envisage
2) Skepticalone
3)
4)
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1/21/2015 2:02:26 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/21/2015 10:17:18 AM, SNP1 wrote:
Just starting a tournament because I feel like it, so...

It is my personal belief that anyone that holds a position strongly should be able to play devil's advocate, so I figured I would make this.

If you wish to debate you must agree to play devil's advocate in your debate on a religious topic.

Some examples of topics include:
1) Does God exist?
2) Moral realism vs moral relativism
3) Holy Book X is infallible
4) Creationism/ID vs Evolution
5) Belief in god is justifiable

Everyone will have 4 debates in this tournament, every atheist will debate every theist. In the case of a tie, there will be a tie breaker debate(s).

DEBATE STRUCTURE:
4 rounds, 8,000 characters per round, 2 days between rounds.
First round acceptance.
1 week voting period.

The first round must be started on February 1st.

Sign up:
THEISTS:
1)
2)
3)
4)

ATHEISTS:
1)
2)
3)
4)

I will join I'm an atheist so I guess that I'd be on the pro theist side.
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1/21/2015 2:09:55 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/21/2015 2:02:26 PM, komododragon8 wrote:
I will join I'm an atheist so I guess that I'd be on the pro theist side.

You would be arguing pro theist, but sign up under the atheist list.
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1/21/2015 2:11:36 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/21/2015 1:46:49 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 1/21/2015 10:17:18 AM, SNP1 wrote:
Just starting a tournament because I feel like it, so...

It is my personal belief that anyone that holds a position strongly should be able to play devil's advocate, so I figured I would make this.

If you wish to debate you must agree to play devil's advocate in your debate on a religious topic.

Some examples of topics include:
1) Does God exist?
2) Moral realism vs moral relativism
3) Holy Book X is infallible
4) Creationism/ID vs Evolution
5) Belief in god is justifiable

Everyone will have 4 debates in this tournament, every atheist will debate every theist. In the case of a tie, there will be a tie breaker debate(s).

DEBATE STRUCTURE:
4 rounds, 8,000 characters per round, 2 days between rounds.
First round acceptance.
1 week voting period.

The first round must be started on February 1st.

Sign up:
THEISTS:
1)
2)
3)
4)

ATHEISTS:
1) Envisage
2) Skepticalone
3) komododragon8
4)
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1/21/2015 3:01:25 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/21/2015 10:17:18 AM, SNP1 wrote:
Just starting a tournament because I feel like it, so...

It is my personal belief that anyone that holds a position strongly should be able to play devil's advocate, so I figured I would make this.

If you wish to debate you must agree to play devil's advocate in your debate on a religious topic.

Some examples of topics include:
1) Does God exist?
2) Moral realism vs moral relativism
3) Holy Book X is infallible
4) Creationism/ID vs Evolution
5) Belief in god is justifiable

Everyone will have 4 debates in this tournament, every atheist will debate every theist. In the case of a tie, there will be a tie breaker debate(s).

DEBATE STRUCTURE:
4 rounds, 8,000 characters per round, 2 days between rounds.
First round acceptance.
1 week voting period.

The first round must be started on February 1st.

Sign up:
THEISTS:
1)
2)
3)
4)

ATHEISTS:
1)
2)
3)
4)

Why would I want to defend a position I don't agree with?

I do like the idea of two opposing teams or panels of debaters, yet other than Annanicole (who has mysteriously been silent for three weeks) I find no supporters of Preterism/partial Preterism on this site that I am aware of to team up with, yet I also favor Calvinism and would be willing to team up with someone who supports this biblical view, or even someone who favored a view on objective morality and wanted to debate that subject. If you arranged something along such lines it would hold my interest. It would depend on my work schedule next month before I would commit.

Peter
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1/21/2015 3:12:28 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/21/2015 3:01:25 PM, PGA wrote:
At 1/21/2015 10:17:18 AM, SNP1 wrote:
Just starting a tournament because I feel like it, so...

It is my personal belief that anyone that holds a position strongly should be able to play devil's advocate, so I figured I would make this.

If you wish to debate you must agree to play devil's advocate in your debate on a religious topic.

Some examples of topics include:
1) Does God exist?
2) Moral realism vs moral relativism
3) Holy Book X is infallible
4) Creationism/ID vs Evolution
5) Belief in god is justifiable

Everyone will have 4 debates in this tournament, every atheist will debate every theist. In the case of a tie, there will be a tie breaker debate(s).

DEBATE STRUCTURE:
4 rounds, 8,000 characters per round, 2 days between rounds.
First round acceptance.
1 week voting period.

The first round must be started on February 1st.

Sign up:
THEISTS:
1)
2)
3)
4)

ATHEISTS:
1)
2)
3)
4)

Why would I want to defend a position I don't agree with?


Why wouldn't you? It's a great exercise to test your beliefs. If what you believe is true what's the harm in it? It can actually help strengthen your beliefs....and if it doesn't stand up to scrutiny then why would you want to hold on to those beliefs anyway?

They do it in philosophy classes all the time and one of the main things when you are formulating an argument is thinking of objections against it.
I do like the idea of two opposing teams or panels of debaters, yet other than Annanicole (who has mysteriously been silent for three weeks) I find no supporters of Preterism/partial Preterism on this site that I am aware of to team up with, yet I also favor Calvinism and would be willing to team up with someone who supports this biblical view, or even someone who favored a view on objective morality and wanted to debate that subject. If you arranged something along such lines it would hold my interest. It would depend on my work schedule next month before I would commit.

Peter
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1/21/2015 4:43:05 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/21/2015 3:01:25 PM, PGA wrote:
At 1/21/2015 10:17:18 AM, SNP1 wrote:
Just starting a tournament because I feel like it, so...

It is my personal belief that anyone that holds a position strongly should be able to play devil's advocate, so I figured I would make this.

If you wish to debate you must agree to play devil's advocate in your debate on a religious topic.

Some examples of topics include:
1) Does God exist?
2) Moral realism vs moral relativism
3) Holy Book X is infallible
4) Creationism/ID vs Evolution
5) Belief in god is justifiable

Everyone will have 4 debates in this tournament, every atheist will debate every theist. In the case of a tie, there will be a tie breaker debate(s).

DEBATE STRUCTURE:
4 rounds, 8,000 characters per round, 2 days between rounds.
First round acceptance.
1 week voting period.

The first round must be started on February 1st.

Sign up:
THEISTS:
1)
2)
3)
4)

ATHEISTS:
1)
2)
3)
4)

Why would I want to defend a position I don't agree with?

I do like the idea of two opposing teams or panels of debaters, yet other than Annanicole (who has mysteriously been silent for three weeks) I find no supporters of Preterism/partial Preterism on this site that I am aware of to team up with, yet I also favor Calvinism and would be willing to team up with someone who supports this biblical view, or even someone who favored a view on objective morality and wanted to debate that subject. If you arranged something along such lines it would hold my interest. It would depend on my work schedule next month before I would commit.

Peter

Aww, come on, Peter. We need some theists! ;-)
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1/21/2015 5:22:03 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/21/2015 3:12:28 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 1/21/2015 3:01:25 PM, PGA wrote:
At 1/21/2015 10:17:18 AM, SNP1 wrote:
Just starting a tournament because I feel like it, so...

It is my personal belief that anyone that holds a position strongly should be able to play devil's advocate, so I figured I would make this.

If you wish to debate you must agree to play devil's advocate in your debate on a religious topic.

Some examples of topics include:
1) Does God exist?
2) Moral realism vs moral relativism
3) Holy Book X is infallible
4) Creationism/ID vs Evolution
5) Belief in god is justifiable

Everyone will have 4 debates in this tournament, every atheist will debate every theist. In the case of a tie, there will be a tie breaker debate(s).

DEBATE STRUCTURE:
4 rounds, 8,000 characters per round, 2 days between rounds.
First round acceptance.
1 week voting period.

The first round must be started on February 1st.

Sign up:
THEISTS:
1)
2)
3)
4)

ATHEISTS:
1)
2)
3)
4)

Why would I want to defend a position I don't agree with?


Why wouldn't you? It's a great exercise to test your beliefs. If what you believe is true what's the harm in it? It can actually help strengthen your beliefs....and if it doesn't stand up to scrutiny then why would you want to hold on to those beliefs anyway?

My belief is strengthened by God's word and His confirmation of it. Why would I want to test something I know is true? I think the atheist/agnostic argument fails on many fronts, especially origins, morality and their understanding of Scripture.

They do it in philosophy classes all the time and one of the main things when you are formulating an argument is thinking of objections against it.

I get enough objections in my forum posts, thanks very much!

I was once in the position of unbelief. Now I am not. My mind is made up. I believe God. I can't appeal to a higher authority. I work on a Van Tillian presuppositional basis in which every worldview builds upon core suppositions that are accepted by faith. I have put my faith in Christ and His word and see no point in playing games where I deny my faith for an exercise in futility.

I do like the idea of two opposing teams or panels of debaters, yet other than Annanicole (who has mysteriously been silent for three weeks) I find no supporters of Preterism/partial Preterism on this site that I am aware of to team up with, yet I also favor Calvinism and would be willing to team up with someone who supports this biblical view, or even someone who favored a view on objective morality and wanted to debate that subject. If you arranged something along such lines it would hold my interest. It would depend on my work schedule next month before I would commit.

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1/21/2015 5:25:23 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/21/2015 4:43:05 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 1/21/2015 3:01:25 PM, PGA wrote:
At 1/21/2015 10:17:18 AM, SNP1 wrote:
Just starting a tournament because I feel like it, so...

It is my personal belief that anyone that holds a position strongly should be able to play devil's advocate, so I figured I would make this.

If you wish to debate you must agree to play devil's advocate in your debate on a religious topic.

Some examples of topics include:
1) Does God exist?
2) Moral realism vs moral relativism
3) Holy Book X is infallible
4) Creationism/ID vs Evolution
5) Belief in god is justifiable

Everyone will have 4 debates in this tournament, every atheist will debate every theist. In the case of a tie, there will be a tie breaker debate(s).

DEBATE STRUCTURE:
4 rounds, 8,000 characters per round, 2 days between rounds.
First round acceptance.
1 week voting period.

The first round must be started on February 1st.

Sign up:
THEISTS:
1)
2)
3)
4)

ATHEISTS:
1)
2)
3)
4)

Why would I want to defend a position I don't agree with?

I do like the idea of two opposing teams or panels of debaters, yet other than Annanicole (who has mysteriously been silent for three weeks) I find no supporters of Preterism/partial Preterism on this site that I am aware of to team up with, yet I also favor Calvinism and would be willing to team up with someone who supports this biblical view, or even someone who favored a view on objective morality and wanted to debate that subject. If you arranged something along such lines it would hold my interest. It would depend on my work schedule next month before I would commit.

Peter

Aww, come on, Peter. We need some theists! ;-)

I'll misrepresent your arguments and you will mine. Let's face it, I have a Christian bias to atheistic beliefs. I'm not going to be neutral, nor will anyone else. (^8

Peter
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1/21/2015 5:52:54 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/21/2015 2:59:47 PM, SNP1 wrote:
No theists yet?

I'd be willing to be the first theist, but it depends when it starts.
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1/21/2015 6:08:43 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/21/2015 2:59:47 PM, SNP1 wrote:
No theists yet?

So I can debate using straw mans, misrepresenting the theist position, shifting the burden of proof, throw out red herrings, and when in doubt redefine the words and repeat the definition of atheism?

Awesome my argument will be the gold standard for atheist here on out.
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1/21/2015 7:09:43 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/21/2015 5:25:23 PM, PGA wrote:
At 1/21/2015 4:43:05 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 1/21/2015 3:01:25 PM, PGA wrote:
At 1/21/2015 10:17:18 AM, SNP1 wrote:
Just starting a tournament because I feel like it, so...

It is my personal belief that anyone that holds a position strongly should be able to play devil's advocate, so I figured I would make this.

If you wish to debate you must agree to play devil's advocate in your debate on a religious topic.

Some examples of topics include:
1) Does God exist?
2) Moral realism vs moral relativism
3) Holy Book X is infallible
4) Creationism/ID vs Evolution
5) Belief in god is justifiable

Everyone will have 4 debates in this tournament, every atheist will debate every theist. In the case of a tie, there will be a tie breaker debate(s).

DEBATE STRUCTURE:
4 rounds, 8,000 characters per round, 2 days between rounds.
First round acceptance.
1 week voting period.

The first round must be started on February 1st.

Sign up:
THEISTS:
1)
2)
3)
4)

ATHEISTS:
1)
2)
3)
4)

Why would I want to defend a position I don't agree with?

I do like the idea of two opposing teams or panels of debaters, yet other than Annanicole (who has mysteriously been silent for three weeks) I find no supporters of Preterism/partial Preterism on this site that I am aware of to team up with, yet I also favor Calvinism and would be willing to team up with someone who supports this biblical view, or even someone who favored a view on objective morality and wanted to debate that subject. If you arranged something along such lines it would hold my interest. It would depend on my work schedule next month before I would commit.

Peter

Aww, come on, Peter. We need some theists! ;-)

I'll misrepresent your arguments and you will mine. Let's face it, I have a Christian bias to atheistic beliefs. I'm not going to be neutral, nor will anyone else. (^8

Peter

I have no intention of deliberately misrepresenting your arguments. I admit it will be harder for me to defend your viewpoint than my default. It is an interesting exercise, at any rate.

If nothing else, it will help us all understand the opposing viewpoint a little better, and that's not a bad thing. ;-)
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1/21/2015 7:11:48 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/21/2015 6:08:43 PM, Mhykiel wrote:
At 1/21/2015 2:59:47 PM, SNP1 wrote:
No theists yet?

So I can debate using straw mans, misrepresenting the theist position, shifting the burden of proof, throw out red herrings, and when in doubt redefine the words and repeat the definition of atheism?

Awesome my argument will be the gold standard for atheist here on out.

Hahaha! You funny man! ;-)

I don't see your name on the list, yet! What are you waiting for?!
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1/21/2015 7:20:55 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/21/2015 5:22:03 PM, PGA wrote:
At 1/21/2015 3:12:28 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 1/21/2015 3:01:25 PM, PGA wrote:
At 1/21/2015 10:17:18 AM, SNP1 wrote:
Just starting a tournament because I feel like it, so...

It is my personal belief that anyone that holds a position strongly should be able to play devil's advocate, so I figured I would make this.

If you wish to debate you must agree to play devil's advocate in your debate on a religious topic.

Some examples of topics include:
1) Does God exist?
2) Moral realism vs moral relativism
3) Holy Book X is infallible
4) Creationism/ID vs Evolution
5) Belief in god is justifiable

Everyone will have 4 debates in this tournament, every atheist will debate every theist. In the case of a tie, there will be a tie breaker debate(s).

DEBATE STRUCTURE:
4 rounds, 8,000 characters per round, 2 days between rounds.
First round acceptance.
1 week voting period.

The first round must be started on February 1st.

Sign up:
THEISTS:
1)
2)
3)
4)

ATHEISTS:
1)
2)
3)
4)

Why would I want to defend a position I don't agree with?


Why wouldn't you? It's a great exercise to test your beliefs. If what you believe is true what's the harm in it? It can actually help strengthen your beliefs....and if it doesn't stand up to scrutiny then why would you want to hold on to those beliefs anyway?

My belief is strengthened by God's word and His confirmation of it. Why would I want to test something I know is true? I think the atheist/agnostic argument fails on many fronts, especially origins, morality and their understanding of Scripture.

They do it in philosophy classes all the time and one of the main things when you are formulating an argument is thinking of objections against it.

I get enough objections in my forum posts, thanks very much!

I was once in the position of unbelief. Now I am not. My mind is made up. I believe God. I can't appeal to a higher authority. I work on a Van Tillian presuppositional basis in which every worldview builds upon core suppositions that are accepted by faith. I have put my faith in Christ and His word and see no point in playing games where I deny my faith for an exercise in futility.


I do like the idea of two opposing teams or panels of debaters, yet other than Annanicole (who has mysteriously been silent for three weeks) I find no supporters of Preterism/partial Preterism on this site that I am aware of to team up with, yet I also favor Calvinism and would be willing to team up with someone who supports this biblical view, or even someone who favored a view on objective morality and wanted to debate that subject. If you arranged something along such lines it would hold my interest. It would depend on my work schedule next month before I would commit.

Peter

Ignoring the million other problems I have with your position, how exactly is the, say, Muslim on any weaker epistemic ground than you if they said the exact same thing as you do?
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1/21/2015 7:26:18 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/21/2015 6:08:43 PM, Mhykiel wrote:
At 1/21/2015 2:59:47 PM, SNP1 wrote:
No theists yet?

So I can debate using straw mans, misrepresenting the theist position, shifting the burden of proof, throw out red herrings, and when in doubt redefine the words and repeat the definition of atheism?

Awesome my argument will be the gold standard for atheist here on out.

I very much look forward to our DA debate then if that's your belief :-)
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1/21/2015 7:30:55 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/21/2015 7:26:18 PM, Envisage wrote:
At 1/21/2015 6:08:43 PM, Mhykiel wrote:
At 1/21/2015 2:59:47 PM, SNP1 wrote:
No theists yet?

So I can debate using straw mans, misrepresenting the theist position, shifting the burden of proof, throw out red herrings, and when in doubt redefine the words and repeat the definition of atheism?

Awesome my argument will be the gold standard for atheist here on out.

I very much look forward to our DA debate then if that's your belief :-)

Me too, because I'm denying God's existence. I can't wait to see you take up the burden of proof that God exists. Because I don't know of any objective, repeatable, demonstrable experimental scientific evidence peer-reviewed and published that says God exists.
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1/21/2015 7:33:37 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/21/2015 7:30:55 PM, Mhykiel wrote:
At 1/21/2015 7:26:18 PM, Envisage wrote:
At 1/21/2015 6:08:43 PM, Mhykiel wrote:
At 1/21/2015 2:59:47 PM, SNP1 wrote:
No theists yet?

So I can debate using straw mans, misrepresenting the theist position, shifting the burden of proof, throw out red herrings, and when in doubt redefine the words and repeat the definition of atheism?

Awesome my argument will be the gold standard for atheist here on out.

I very much look forward to our DA debate then if that's your belief :-)

Me too, because I'm denying God's existence. I can't wait to see you take up the burden of proof that God exists. Because I don't know of any objective, repeatable, demonstrable experimental scientific evidence peer-reviewed and published that says God exists.

Sure, that's exactly the way it should be, I take the burden of proof to demonstrate the claim. Whether or not the claim is scientific is not necessarily relevant though.
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1/21/2015 7:40:08 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/21/2015 7:33:37 PM, Envisage wrote:
At 1/21/2015 7:30:55 PM, Mhykiel wrote:
At 1/21/2015 7:26:18 PM, Envisage wrote:
At 1/21/2015 6:08:43 PM, Mhykiel wrote:
At 1/21/2015 2:59:47 PM, SNP1 wrote:
No theists yet?

So I can debate using straw mans, misrepresenting the theist position, shifting the burden of proof, throw out red herrings, and when in doubt redefine the words and repeat the definition of atheism?

Awesome my argument will be the gold standard for atheist here on out.

I very much look forward to our DA debate then if that's your belief :-)

Me too, because I'm denying God's existence. I can't wait to see you take up the burden of proof that God exists. Because I don't know of any objective, repeatable, demonstrable experimental scientific evidence peer-reviewed and published that says God exists.

Sure, that's exactly the way it should be, I take the burden of proof to demonstrate the claim. Whether or not the claim is scientific is not necessarily relevant though.

So you admit God is imaginary, which is defined as "existing only in the imagination". But "existing" in a dream is not useful to anyone and is not a truth about this reality.