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1/24/2015 12:10:29 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
I went through the early years of my life with wide eyes listening to Roman Catholic doctrine. Then I became an agnostics. Thinking these Christian fools really like their fairy tales. I studied all the religions and was amazed by the stories people believed. Then in my late 30"s I realized God does exist and you can have a direct religion is the biggest sin of all. What"s wrong with knowing you can have a direct connection with God?

god exists and I can prove it with simple logic assuming you see god the way I do.
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1/24/2015 12:12:02 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
Oh boy...

Mind sharing this "logic" with us?
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1/24/2015 12:14:55 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/24/2015 12:10:29 AM, drpiek wrote:
I went through the early years of my life with wide eyes listening to Roman Catholic doctrine. Then I became an agnostics. Thinking these Christian fools really like their fairy tales. I studied all the religions and was amazed by the stories people believed. Then in my late 30"s I realized God does exist and you can have a direct religion is the biggest sin of all. What"s wrong with knowing you can have a direct connection with God?

god exists and I can prove it with simple logic assuming you see god the way I do.

Last part was a mistype should read
Then in my late 30"s I realized God does exist and you can have a direct connection and religion is the biggest sin of all. What"s wrong with knowing you can have a direct connection with God?
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1/24/2015 12:21:12 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/24/2015 12:13:25 AM, Smithereens wrote:
I smell a repeat of a recent incident... this is probably an existing member on DDO.

Not a member of DDO, what is that? Happy to share my logic after more replies.
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1/24/2015 12:29:38 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/24/2015 12:21:12 AM, drpiek wrote:
At 1/24/2015 12:13:25 AM, Smithereens wrote:
I smell a repeat of a recent incident... this is probably an existing member on DDO.

Not a member of DDO, what is that? Happy to share my logic after more replies.

DDO = Debate dot org

I am interested in logical arguments for god. Get to it.
This thread is like eavesdropping on a conversation in a mental asylum. - Bulproof

You can call your invisible friends whatever you like. - Desmac

What the hell kind of coked up sideshow has this thread turned into. - Casten
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1/24/2015 12:43:24 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/24/2015 12:29:38 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 1/24/2015 12:21:12 AM, drpiek wrote:
At 1/24/2015 12:13:25 AM, Smithereens wrote:
I smell a repeat of a recent incident... this is probably an existing member on DDO.

Not a member of DDO, what is that? Happy to share my logic after more replies.

DDO = Debate dot org

I am interested in logical arguments for god. Get to it.

Here is the Logic.

I am a Panenthiest. Not because I heard the term and thought it was cool but because I lived my life and found the word to describe it. A Panenthiest defines god in a simple way, "the sum of all things". So feel free to argue it does not exist and you are arguing against your own existence. Is god conscience, well are you. If you are then god is by definition.
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1/24/2015 12:48:49 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/24/2015 12:43:24 AM, drpiek wrote:
At 1/24/2015 12:29:38 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 1/24/2015 12:21:12 AM, drpiek wrote:
At 1/24/2015 12:13:25 AM, Smithereens wrote:
I smell a repeat of a recent incident... this is probably an existing member on DDO.

Not a member of DDO, what is that? Happy to share my logic after more replies.

DDO = Debate dot org

I am interested in logical arguments for god. Get to it.

Here is the Logic.

I am a Panenthiest. Not because I heard the term and thought it was cool but because I lived my life and found the word to describe it. A Panenthiest defines god in a simple way, "the sum of all things". So feel free to argue it does not exist and you are arguing against your own existence. Is god conscience, well are you. If you are then god is by definition.

I really have no interest in arguing (I want to see a good argument for god), but I'm not seeing how the sum of all things equals god. You would have to assume god first, and then he/she/it would basically equate to energy. If god = energy, then why call it god?
This thread is like eavesdropping on a conversation in a mental asylum. - Bulproof

You can call your invisible friends whatever you like. - Desmac

What the hell kind of coked up sideshow has this thread turned into. - Casten
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1/24/2015 12:51:20 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/24/2015 12:43:24 AM, drpiek wrote:
Here is the Logic.

I am a Panenthiest. Not because I heard the term and thought it was cool but because I lived my life and found the word to describe it. A Panenthiest defines god in a simple way, "the sum of all things". So feel free to argue it does not exist and you are arguing against your own existence. Is god conscience, well are you. If you are then god is by definition.

Congratulations on giving us another word for the universe. We didn't already have enough.
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1/24/2015 12:55:37 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/24/2015 12:48:49 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 1/24/2015 12:43:24 AM, drpiek wrote:
At 1/24/2015 12:29:38 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 1/24/2015 12:21:12 AM, drpiek wrote:
At 1/24/2015 12:13:25 AM, Smithereens wrote:
I smell a repeat of a recent incident... this is probably an existing member on DDO.

Not a member of DDO, what is that? Happy to share my logic after more replies.

DDO = Debate dot org

I am interested in logical arguments for god. Get to it.

Here is the Logic.

I am a Panenthiest. Not because I heard the term and thought it was cool but because I lived my life and found the word to describe it. A Panenthiest defines god in a simple way, "the sum of all things". So feel free to argue it does not exist and you are arguing against your own existence. Is god conscience, well are you. If you are then god is by definition.

I really have no interest in arguing (I want to see a good argument for god), but I'm not seeing how the sum of all things equals god. You would have to assume god first, and then he/she/it would basically equate to energy. If god = energy, then why call it god?

Nah, God's not energy!
He is something awesome and indescribable.
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1/24/2015 1:01:17 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/24/2015 12:51:20 AM, Paleophyte wrote:
At 1/24/2015 12:43:24 AM, drpiek wrote:
Here is the Logic.

I am a Panenthiest. Not because I heard the term and thought it was cool but because I lived my life and found the word to describe it. A Panenthiest defines god in a simple way, "the sum of all things". So feel free to argue it does not exist and you are arguing against your own existence. Is god conscience, well are you. If you are then god is by definition.

Congratulations on giving us another word for the universe. We didn't already have enough.

Anytime, what more do you need?
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1/24/2015 1:06:25 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/24/2015 12:10:29 AM, drpiek wrote:
I went through the early years of my life with wide eyes listening to Roman Catholic doctrine. Then I became an agnostics. Thinking these Christian fools really like their fairy tales. I studied all the religions and was amazed by the stories people believed. Then in my late 30"s I realized God does exist and you can have a direct religion is the biggest sin of all. What"s wrong with knowing you can have a direct connection with God?

god exists and I can prove it with simple logic assuming you see god the way I do.

Demonstrate this logical substantiation you mention, please.
Start with "how" god exists; tangibly, conceptually, spiritually etc..?
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1/24/2015 1:09:17 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/24/2015 12:55:37 AM, Classified wrote:
At 1/24/2015 12:48:49 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 1/24/2015 12:43:24 AM, drpiek wrote:
At 1/24/2015 12:29:38 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 1/24/2015 12:21:12 AM, drpiek wrote:
At 1/24/2015 12:13:25 AM, Smithereens wrote:
I smell a repeat of a recent incident... this is probably an existing member on DDO.

Not a member of DDO, what is that? Happy to share my logic after more replies.

DDO = Debate dot org

I am interested in logical arguments for god. Get to it.

Here is the Logic.

I am a Panenthiest. Not because I heard the term and thought it was cool but because I lived my life and found the word to describe it. A Panenthiest defines god in a simple way, "the sum of all things". So feel free to argue it does not exist and you are arguing against your own existence. Is god conscience, well are you. If you are then god is by definition.

I really have no interest in arguing (I want to see a good argument for god), but I'm not seeing how the sum of all things equals god. You would have to assume god first, and then he/she/it would basically equate to energy. If god = energy, then why call it god?

Nah, God's not energy!

We agree on this.

He is something awesome and indescribable.

...and if god is not definable, then it is nonsensical to ask if such a thing (god) exists.
This thread is like eavesdropping on a conversation in a mental asylum. - Bulproof

You can call your invisible friends whatever you like. - Desmac

What the hell kind of coked up sideshow has this thread turned into. - Casten
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1/24/2015 1:10:42 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/24/2015 1:06:25 AM, intellectuallyprimitive wrote:
At 1/24/2015 12:10:29 AM, drpiek wrote:
I went through the early years of my life with wide eyes listening to Roman Catholic doctrine. Then I became an agnostics. Thinking these Christian fools really like their fairy tales. I studied all the religions and was amazed by the stories people believed. Then in my late 30"s I realized God does exist and you can have a direct religion is the biggest sin of all. What"s wrong with knowing you can have a direct connection with God?

god exists and I can prove it with simple logic assuming you see god the way I do.

Demonstrate this logical substantiation you mention, please.
Start with "how" god exists; tangibly, conceptually, spiritually etc..?

The same way you exist, sit still for a while, contemplate you own existence. You will understand.
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1/24/2015 1:11:58 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/24/2015 1:10:42 AM, drpiek wrote:
At 1/24/2015 1:06:25 AM, intellectuallyprimitive wrote:
At 1/24/2015 12:10:29 AM, drpiek wrote:
I went through the early years of my life with wide eyes listening to Roman Catholic doctrine. Then I became an agnostics. Thinking these Christian fools really like their fairy tales. I studied all the religions and was amazed by the stories people believed. Then in my late 30"s I realized God does exist and you can have a direct religion is the biggest sin of all. What"s wrong with knowing you can have a direct connection with God?

god exists and I can prove it with simple logic assuming you see god the way I do.

Demonstrate this logical substantiation you mention, please.
Start with "how" god exists; tangibly, conceptually, spiritually etc..?

The same way you exist, sit still for a while, contemplate you own existence. You will understand.

Not only am I able to contemplate my existence, I can demonstrate it to you. Now, are you able to reciprocate that same demonstration and show me god?
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1/24/2015 1:16:15 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/24/2015 1:11:58 AM, intellectuallyprimitive wrote:
At 1/24/2015 1:10:42 AM, drpiek wrote:
At 1/24/2015 1:06:25 AM, intellectuallyprimitive wrote:
At 1/24/2015 12:10:29 AM, drpiek wrote:
I went through the early years of my life with wide eyes listening to Roman Catholic doctrine. Then I became an agnostics. Thinking these Christian fools really like their fairy tales. I studied all the religions and was amazed by the stories people believed. Then in my late 30"s I realized God does exist and you can have a direct religion is the biggest sin of all. What"s wrong with knowing you can have a direct connection with God?

god exists and I can prove it with simple logic assuming you see god the way I do.

Demonstrate this logical substantiation you mention, please.
Start with "how" god exists; tangibly, conceptually, spiritually etc..?

The same way you exist, sit still for a while, contemplate you own existence. You will understand.

Not only am I able to contemplate my existence, I can demonstrate it to you. Now, are you able to reciprocate that same demonstration and show me god?

Yes, simply look at every thing that is not you, then combine it with you. The sum is your perspective of God.
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1/24/2015 1:19:29 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/24/2015 1:16:15 AM, drpiek wrote:
At 1/24/2015 1:11:58 AM, intellectuallyprimitive wrote:
At 1/24/2015 1:10:42 AM, drpiek wrote:
At 1/24/2015 1:06:25 AM, intellectuallyprimitive wrote:
At 1/24/2015 12:10:29 AM, drpiek wrote:
I went through the early years of my life with wide eyes listening to Roman Catholic doctrine. Then I became an agnostics. Thinking these Christian fools really like their fairy tales. I studied all the religions and was amazed by the stories people believed. Then in my late 30"s I realized God does exist and you can have a direct religion is the biggest sin of all. What"s wrong with knowing you can have a direct connection with God?

god exists and I can prove it with simple logic assuming you see god the way I do.

Demonstrate this logical substantiation you mention, please.
Start with "how" god exists; tangibly, conceptually, spiritually etc..?

The same way you exist, sit still for a while, contemplate you own existence. You will understand.

Not only am I able to contemplate my existence, I can demonstrate it to you. Now, are you able to reciprocate that same demonstration and show me god?

Yes, simply look at every thing that is not you, then combine it with you. The sum is your perspective of God.

What will that accomplish? I have no evidence for god, therefore my perspective relies on speculation, not empirical or palpable data, regarding what God could be, how god could exist, and even why god could or could not exist.
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1/24/2015 1:20:18 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/24/2015 1:09:17 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 1/24/2015 12:55:37 AM, Classified wrote:
At 1/24/2015 12:48:49 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 1/24/2015 12:43:24 AM, drpiek wrote:
At 1/24/2015 12:29:38 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 1/24/2015 12:21:12 AM, drpiek wrote:
At 1/24/2015 12:13:25 AM, Smithereens wrote:
I smell a repeat of a recent incident... this is probably an existing member on DDO.

Not a member of DDO, what is that? Happy to share my logic after more replies.

DDO = Debate dot org

I am interested in logical arguments for god. Get to it.

Here is the Logic.

I am a Panenthiest. Not because I heard the term and thought it was cool but because I lived my life and found the word to describe it. A Panenthiest defines god in a simple way, "the sum of all things". So feel free to argue it does not exist and you are arguing against your own existence. Is god conscience, well are you. If you are then god is by definition.

I really have no interest in arguing (I want to see a good argument for god), but I'm not seeing how the sum of all things equals god. You would have to assume god first, and then he/she/it would basically equate to energy. If god = energy, then why call it god?

Nah, God's not energy!

We agree on this.

He is something awesome and indescribable.

...and if god is not definable, then it is nonsensical to ask if such a thing (god) exists.

Definition of God:
The Creator.
The Master.
The Lord.
ETC.

He is definable, only indescribable.
I told you what God is.
But I can't describe his looks for you.
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1/24/2015 1:24:16 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/24/2015 1:19:29 AM, intellectuallyprimitive wrote:
At 1/24/2015 1:16:15 AM, drpiek wrote:
At 1/24/2015 1:11:58 AM, intellectuallyprimitive wrote:
At 1/24/2015 1:10:42 AM, drpiek wrote:
At 1/24/2015 1:06:25 AM, intellectuallyprimitive wrote:
At 1/24/2015 12:10:29 AM, drpiek wrote:
I went through the early years of my life with wide eyes listening to Roman Catholic doctrine. Then I became an agnostics. Thinking these Christian fools really like their fairy tales. I studied all the religions and was amazed by the stories people believed. Then in my late 30"s I realized God does exist and you can have a direct religion is the biggest sin of all. What"s wrong with knowing you can have a direct connection with God?

god exists and I can prove it with simple logic assuming you see god the way I do.

Demonstrate this logical substantiation you mention, please.
Start with "how" god exists; tangibly, conceptually, spiritually etc..?

The same way you exist, sit still for a while, contemplate you own existence. You will understand.

Not only am I able to contemplate my existence, I can demonstrate it to you. Now, are you able to reciprocate that same demonstration and show me god?

Yes, simply look at every thing that is not you, then combine it with you. The sum is your perspective of God.

What will that accomplish? I have no evidence for god, therefore my perspective relies on speculation, not empirical or palpable data, regarding what God could be, how god could exist, and even why god could or could not exist.

you assume you have no part in this. Sorry, try again.
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1/24/2015 1:26:36 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/24/2015 1:20:18 AM, Classified wrote:
At 1/24/2015 1:09:17 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 1/24/2015 12:55:37 AM, Classified wrote:
At 1/24/2015 12:48:49 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 1/24/2015 12:43:24 AM, drpiek wrote:
At 1/24/2015 12:29:38 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 1/24/2015 12:21:12 AM, drpiek wrote:
At 1/24/2015 12:13:25 AM, Smithereens wrote:
I smell a repeat of a recent incident... this is probably an existing member on DDO.

Not a member of DDO, what is that? Happy to share my logic after more replies.

DDO = Debate dot org

I am interested in logical arguments for god. Get to it.

Here is the Logic.

I am a Panenthiest. Not because I heard the term and thought it was cool but because I lived my life and found the word to describe it. A Panenthiest defines god in a simple way, "the sum of all things". So feel free to argue it does not exist and you are arguing against your own existence. Is god conscience, well are you. If you are then god is by definition.

I really have no interest in arguing (I want to see a good argument for god), but I'm not seeing how the sum of all things equals god. You would have to assume god first, and then he/she/it would basically equate to energy. If god = energy, then why call it god?

Nah, God's not energy!

We agree on this.

He is something awesome and indescribable.

...and if god is not definable, then it is nonsensical to ask if such a thing (god) exists.

Definition of God:
The Creator.
The Master.
The Lord.
ETC.

He is definable, only indescribable.
I told you what God is.
But I can't describe his looks for you.

Bad definition. Master, Lord, more like "God is" or "I am "
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1/24/2015 1:28:11 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/24/2015 1:24:16 AM, drpiek wrote:
At 1/24/2015 1:19:29 AM, intellectuallyprimitive wrote:
At 1/24/2015 1:16:15 AM, drpiek wrote:
At 1/24/2015 1:11:58 AM, intellectuallyprimitive wrote:
At 1/24/2015 1:10:42 AM, drpiek wrote:
At 1/24/2015 1:06:25 AM, intellectuallyprimitive wrote:
At 1/24/2015 12:10:29 AM, drpiek wrote:
I went through the early years of my life with wide eyes listening to Roman Catholic doctrine. Then I became an agnostics. Thinking these Christian fools really like their fairy tales. I studied all the religions and was amazed by the stories people believed. Then in my late 30"s I realized God does exist and you can have a direct religion is the biggest sin of all. What"s wrong with knowing you can have a direct connection with God?

god exists and I can prove it with simple logic assuming you see god the way I do.

Demonstrate this logical substantiation you mention, please.
Start with "how" god exists; tangibly, conceptually, spiritually etc..?

The same way you exist, sit still for a while, contemplate you own existence. You will understand.

Not only am I able to contemplate my existence, I can demonstrate it to you. Now, are you able to reciprocate that same demonstration and show me god?

Yes, simply look at every thing that is not you, then combine it with you. The sum is your perspective of God.

What will that accomplish? I have no evidence for god, therefore my perspective relies on speculation, not empirical or palpable data, regarding what God could be, how god could exist, and even why god could or could not exist.

you assume you have no part in this. Sorry, try again.

I also need to retract what I said previously, "I have no evidence for god," to, "I have reviewed no evidence and have been presented no evidence by any one positing god's existence."

I have not assumed anything, while on the contrary, it is you who are assuming gods existence and moreover, are the one advancing that you are able to prove gods existence via logic. Are you able to do so, or are you highlighting yet again, another dishonest claim regarding gods existence?
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1/24/2015 1:28:42 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/24/2015 1:20:18 AM, Classified wrote:
At 1/24/2015 1:09:17 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 1/24/2015 12:55:37 AM, Classified wrote:
At 1/24/2015 12:48:49 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 1/24/2015 12:43:24 AM, drpiek wrote:
At 1/24/2015 12:29:38 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 1/24/2015 12:21:12 AM, drpiek wrote:
At 1/24/2015 12:13:25 AM, Smithereens wrote:
I smell a repeat of a recent incident... this is probably an existing member on DDO.

Not a member of DDO, what is that? Happy to share my logic after more replies.

DDO = Debate dot org

I am interested in logical arguments for god. Get to it.

Here is the Logic.

I am a Panenthiest. Not because I heard the term and thought it was cool but because I lived my life and found the word to describe it. A Panenthiest defines god in a simple way, "the sum of all things". So feel free to argue it does not exist and you are arguing against your own existence. Is god conscience, well are you. If you are then god is by definition.

I really have no interest in arguing (I want to see a good argument for god), but I'm not seeing how the sum of all things equals god. You would have to assume god first, and then he/she/it would basically equate to energy. If god = energy, then why call it god?

Nah, God's not energy!

We agree on this.

He is something awesome and indescribable.

...and if god is not definable, then it is nonsensical to ask if such a thing (god) exists.

Definition of God:
The Creator.
The Master.
The Lord.
ETC.

He is definable, only indescribable.
I told you what God is.
But I can't describe his looks for you.

A definition would describe his characteristics/traits/properties, not titles you have randomly ascribed to the term "god" without justification.
This thread is like eavesdropping on a conversation in a mental asylum. - Bulproof

You can call your invisible friends whatever you like. - Desmac

What the hell kind of coked up sideshow has this thread turned into. - Casten
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1/24/2015 1:29:55 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/24/2015 1:19:29 AM, intellectuallyprimitive wrote:
At 1/24/2015 1:16:15 AM, drpiek wrote:
At 1/24/2015 1:11:58 AM, intellectuallyprimitive wrote:
At 1/24/2015 1:10:42 AM, drpiek wrote:
At 1/24/2015 1:06:25 AM, intellectuallyprimitive wrote:
At 1/24/2015 12:10:29 AM, drpiek wrote:
I went through the early years of my life with wide eyes listening to Roman Catholic doctrine. Then I became an agnostics. Thinking these Christian fools really like their fairy tales. I studied all the religions and was amazed by the stories people believed. Then in my late 30"s I realized God does exist and you can have a direct religion is the biggest sin of all. What"s wrong with knowing you can have a direct connection with God?

god exists and I can prove it with simple logic assuming you see god the way I do.

Demonstrate this logical substantiation you mention, please.
Start with "how" god exists; tangibly, conceptually, spiritually etc..?

The same way you exist, sit still for a while, contemplate you own existence. You will understand.

Not only am I able to contemplate my existence, I can demonstrate it to you. Now, are you able to reciprocate that same demonstration and show me god?

Yes, simply look at every thing that is not you, then combine it with you. The sum is your perspective of God.

What will that accomplish? I have no evidence for god, therefore my perspective relies on speculation, not empirical or palpable data, regarding what God could be, how god could exist, and even why god could or could not exist.

Only because it has been moments. Put some effort into it.
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1/24/2015 1:32:36 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/24/2015 1:29:55 AM, drpiek wrote:
At 1/24/2015 1:19:29 AM, intellectuallyprimitive wrote:
At 1/24/2015 1:16:15 AM, drpiek wrote:
At 1/24/2015 1:11:58 AM, intellectuallyprimitive wrote:
At 1/24/2015 1:10:42 AM, drpiek wrote:
At 1/24/2015 1:06:25 AM, intellectuallyprimitive wrote:
At 1/24/2015 12:10:29 AM, drpiek wrote:
I went through the early years of my life with wide eyes listening to Roman Catholic doctrine. Then I became an agnostics. Thinking these Christian fools really like their fairy tales. I studied all the religions and was amazed by the stories people believed. Then in my late 30"s I realized God does exist and you can have a direct religion is the biggest sin of all. What"s wrong with knowing you can have a direct connection with God?

god exists and I can prove it with simple logic assuming you see god the way I do.

Demonstrate this logical substantiation you mention, please.
Start with "how" god exists; tangibly, conceptually, spiritually etc..?

The same way you exist, sit still for a while, contemplate you own existence. You will understand.

Not only am I able to contemplate my existence, I can demonstrate it to you. Now, are you able to reciprocate that same demonstration and show me god?

Yes, simply look at every thing that is not you, then combine it with you. The sum is your perspective of God.

What will that accomplish? I have no evidence for god, therefore my perspective relies on speculation, not empirical or palpable data, regarding what God could be, how god could exist, and even why god could or could not exist.


Only because it has been moments. Put some effort into it.

Increasing the quality of my effort will accomplish what, exactly? I have challenged your claim that your logic can corroborate gods existence, yet you have continued to conceal the logic you mentioned. So please, are you able to demonstrate god?
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1/24/2015 1:41:16 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/24/2015 1:32:36 AM, intellectuallyprimitive wrote:
At 1/24/2015 1:29:55 AM, drpiek wrote:
At 1/24/2015 1:19:29 AM, intellectuallyprimitive wrote:
At 1/24/2015 1:16:15 AM, drpiek wrote:
At 1/24/2015 1:11:58 AM, intellectuallyprimitive wrote:
At 1/24/2015 1:10:42 AM, drpiek wrote:
At 1/24/2015 1:06:25 AM, intellectuallyprimitive wrote:
At 1/24/2015 12:10:29 AM, drpiek wrote:
I went through the early years of my life with wide eyes listening to Roman Catholic doctrine. Then I became an agnostics. Thinking these Christian fools really like their fairy tales. I studied all the religions and was amazed by the stories people believed. Then in my late 30"s I realized God does exist and you can have a direct religion is the biggest sin of all. What"s wrong with knowing you can have a direct connection with God?

god exists and I can prove it with simple logic assuming you see god the way I do.

Demonstrate this logical substantiation you mention, please.
Start with "how" god exists; tangibly, conceptually, spiritually etc..?

The same way you exist, sit still for a while, contemplate you own existence. You will understand.

Not only am I able to contemplate my existence, I can demonstrate it to you. Now, are you able to reciprocate that same demonstration and show me god?

Yes, simply look at every thing that is not you, then combine it with you. The sum is your perspective of God.

What will that accomplish? I have no evidence for god, therefore my perspective relies on speculation, not empirical or palpable data, regarding what God could be, how god could exist, and even why god could or could not exist.


Only because it has been moments. Put some effort into it.

Increasing the quality of my effort will accomplish what, exactly? I have challenged your claim that your logic can corroborate gods existence, yet you have continued to conceal the logic you mentioned. So please, are you able to demonstrate god?

Read about Panentheism, a little effort is required on your part since you do not understand. I have demonstrated that my definition of god cannot be debated, "the sum of all things". The only thing in debate is if you can connect to it.
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1/24/2015 1:45:57 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/24/2015 1:41:16 AM, drpiek wrote:
At 1/24/2015 1:32:36 AM, intellectuallyprimitive wrote:
At 1/24/2015 1:29:55 AM, drpiek wrote:
At 1/24/2015 1:19:29 AM, intellectuallyprimitive wrote:
At 1/24/2015 1:16:15 AM, drpiek wrote:
At 1/24/2015 1:11:58 AM, intellectuallyprimitive wrote:
At 1/24/2015 1:10:42 AM, drpiek wrote:
At 1/24/2015 1:06:25 AM, intellectuallyprimitive wrote:
At 1/24/2015 12:10:29 AM, drpiek wrote:
I went through the early years of my life with wide eyes listening to Roman Catholic doctrine. Then I became an agnostics. Thinking these Christian fools really like their fairy tales. I studied all the religions and was amazed by the stories people believed. Then in my late 30"s I realized God does exist and you can have a direct religion is the biggest sin of all. What"s wrong with knowing you can have a direct connection with God?

god exists and I can prove it with simple logic assuming you see god the way I do.

Demonstrate this logical substantiation you mention, please.
Start with "how" god exists; tangibly, conceptually, spiritually etc..?

The same way you exist, sit still for a while, contemplate you own existence. You will understand.

Not only am I able to contemplate my existence, I can demonstrate it to you. Now, are you able to reciprocate that same demonstration and show me god?

Yes, simply look at every thing that is not you, then combine it with you. The sum is your perspective of God.

What will that accomplish? I have no evidence for god, therefore my perspective relies on speculation, not empirical or palpable data, regarding what God could be, how god could exist, and even why god could or could not exist.


Only because it has been moments. Put some effort into it.

Increasing the quality of my effort will accomplish what, exactly? I have challenged your claim that your logic can corroborate gods existence, yet you have continued to conceal the logic you mentioned. So please, are you able to demonstrate god?

Read about Panentheism, a little effort is required on your part since you do not understand. I have demonstrated that my definition of god cannot be debated, "the sum of all things". The only thing in debate is if you can connect to it.

I understand. God amounts to a greater value, or even transcends the universe, correct? So you are unable to logically demonstrate god, because how would you be able to investigate that premise, let alone demonstrate it.
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1/24/2015 1:47:55 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/24/2015 1:28:42 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 1/24/2015 1:20:18 AM, Classified wrote:
At 1/24/2015 1:09:17 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 1/24/2015 12:55:37 AM, Classified wrote:
At 1/24/2015 12:48:49 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 1/24/2015 12:43:24 AM, drpiek wrote:
At 1/24/2015 12:29:38 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 1/24/2015 12:21:12 AM, drpiek wrote:
At 1/24/2015 12:13:25 AM, Smithereens wrote:
I smell a repeat of a recent incident... this is probably an existing member on DDO.

Not a member of DDO, what is that? Happy to share my logic after more replies.

DDO = Debate dot org

I am interested in logical arguments for god. Get to it.

Here is the Logic.

I am a Panenthiest. Not because I heard the term and thought it was cool but because I lived my life and found the word to describe it. A Panenthiest defines god in a simple way, "the sum of all things". So feel free to argue it does not exist and you are arguing against your own existence. Is god conscience, well are you. If you are then god is by definition.

I really have no interest in arguing (I want to see a good argument for god), but I'm not seeing how the sum of all things equals god. You would have to assume god first, and then he/she/it would basically equate to energy. If god = energy, then why call it god?

Nah, God's not energy!

We agree on this.

He is something awesome and indescribable.

...and if god is not definable, then it is nonsensical to ask if such a thing (god) exists.

Definition of God:
The Creator.
The Master.
The Lord.
ETC.

He is definable, only indescribable.
I told you what God is.
But I can't describe his looks for you.

A definition would describe his characteristics/traits/properties, not titles you have randomly ascribed to the term "god" without justification.

Defining a word basically means to give a meaning to it or give it an alternative word(s) to define it.

Describing something is analyzing it and also looking at the characteristics, traits, properties, etc.
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1/24/2015 1:51:04 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/24/2015 1:47:55 AM, Classified wrote:
At 1/24/2015 1:28:42 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 1/24/2015 1:20:18 AM, Classified wrote:
At 1/24/2015 1:09:17 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 1/24/2015 12:55:37 AM, Classified wrote:
At 1/24/2015 12:48:49 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 1/24/2015 12:43:24 AM, drpiek wrote:
At 1/24/2015 12:29:38 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 1/24/2015 12:21:12 AM, drpiek wrote:
At 1/24/2015 12:13:25 AM, Smithereens wrote:
I smell a repeat of a recent incident... this is probably an existing member on DDO.

Not a member of DDO, what is that? Happy to share my logic after more replies.

DDO = Debate dot org

I am interested in logical arguments for god. Get to it.

Here is the Logic.

I am a Panenthiest. Not because I heard the term and thought it was cool but because I lived my life and found the word to describe it. A Panenthiest defines god in a simple way, "the sum of all things". So feel free to argue it does not exist and you are arguing against your own existence. Is god conscience, well are you. If you are then god is by definition.

I really have no interest in arguing (I want to see a good argument for god), but I'm not seeing how the sum of all things equals god. You would have to assume god first, and then he/she/it would basically equate to energy. If god = energy, then why call it god?

Nah, God's not energy!

We agree on this.

He is something awesome and indescribable.

...and if god is not definable, then it is nonsensical to ask if such a thing (god) exists.

Definition of God:
The Creator.
The Master.
The Lord.
ETC.

He is definable, only indescribable.
I told you what God is.
But I can't describe his looks for you.

A definition would describe his characteristics/traits/properties, not titles you have randomly ascribed to the term "god" without justification.

Defining a word basically means to give a meaning to it or give it an alternative word(s) to define it.

Describing something is analyzing it and also looking at the characteristics, traits, properties, etc.

The meaning of a word is derived from it's usage, not necessarily via a dictionary definition.
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1/24/2015 1:58:46 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/24/2015 1:41:16 AM, drpiek wrote:
At 1/24/2015 1:32:36 AM, intellectuallyprimitive wrote:
At 1/24/2015 1:29:55 AM, drpiek wrote:
At 1/24/2015 1:19:29 AM, intellectuallyprimitive wrote:
At 1/24/2015 1:16:15 AM, drpiek wrote:
At 1/24/2015 1:11:58 AM, intellectuallyprimitive wrote:
At 1/24/2015 1:10:42 AM, drpiek wrote:
At 1/24/2015 1:06:25 AM, intellectuallyprimitive wrote:
At 1/24/2015 12:10:29 AM, drpiek wrote:
I went through the early years of my life with wide eyes listening to Roman Catholic doctrine. Then I became an agnostics. Thinking these Christian fools really like their fairy tales. I studied all the religions and was amazed by the stories people believed. Then in my late 30"s I realized God does exist and you can have a direct religion is the biggest sin of all. What"s wrong with knowing you can have a direct connection with God?

god exists and I can prove it with simple logic assuming you see god the way I do.

Demonstrate this logical substantiation you mention, please.
Start with "how" god exists; tangibly, conceptually, spiritually etc..?

The same way you exist, sit still for a while, contemplate you own existence. You will understand.

Not only am I able to contemplate my existence, I can demonstrate it to you. Now, are you able to reciprocate that same demonstration and show me god?

Yes, simply look at every thing that is not you, then combine it with you. The sum is your perspective of God.

What will that accomplish? I have no evidence for god, therefore my perspective relies on speculation, not empirical or palpable data, regarding what God could be, how god could exist, and even why god could or could not exist.


Only because it has been moments. Put some effort into it.

Increasing the quality of my effort will accomplish what, exactly? I have challenged your claim that your logic can corroborate gods existence, yet you have continued to conceal the logic you mentioned. So please, are you able to demonstrate god?

Read about Panentheism, a little effort is required on your part since you do not understand. I have demonstrated that my definition of god cannot be debated, "the sum of all things". The only thing in debate is if you can connect to it.

Your definition can be debated. You have essentially equated god to energy, and that is very vague. Can we reverse it and call energy god? (After running the marathon, I was completely out of god) Does this god play any role in the universe, other than being everything?
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1/24/2015 2:01:09 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/24/2015 1:51:04 AM, intellectuallyprimitive wrote:
At 1/24/2015 1:47:55 AM, Classified wrote:
At 1/24/2015 1:28:42 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 1/24/2015 1:20:18 AM, Classified wrote:
At 1/24/2015 1:09:17 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 1/24/2015 12:55:37 AM, Classified wrote:
At 1/24/2015 12:48:49 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 1/24/2015 12:43:24 AM, drpiek wrote:
At 1/24/2015 12:29:38 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 1/24/2015 12:21:12 AM, drpiek wrote:
At 1/24/2015 12:13:25 AM, Smithereens wrote:
I smell a repeat of a recent incident... this is probably an existing member on DDO.

Not a member of DDO, what is that? Happy to share my logic after more replies.

DDO = Debate dot org

I am interested in logical arguments for god. Get to it.

Here is the Logic.

I am a Panenthiest. Not because I heard the term and thought it was cool but because I lived my life and found the word to describe it. A Panenthiest defines god in a simple way, "the sum of all things". So feel free to argue it does not exist and you are arguing against your own existence. Is god conscience, well are you. If you are then god is by definition.

I really have no interest in arguing (I want to see a good argument for god), but I'm not seeing how the sum of all things equals god. You would have to assume god first, and then he/she/it would basically equate to energy. If god = energy, then why call it god?

Nah, God's not energy!

We agree on this.

He is something awesome and indescribable.

...and if god is not definable, then it is nonsensical to ask if such a thing (god) exists.

Definition of God:
The Creator.
The Master.
The Lord.
ETC.

He is definable, only indescribable.
I told you what God is.
But I can't describe his looks for you.

A definition would describe his characteristics/traits/properties, not titles you have randomly ascribed to the term "god" without justification.

Defining a word basically means to give a meaning to it or give it an alternative word(s) to define it.

Describing something is analyzing it and also looking at the characteristics, traits, properties, etc.

The meaning of a word is derived from it's usage, not necessarily via a dictionary definition.

So it doesn't mean describing it...
Describing and defining are different words.