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1/24/2015 1:41:36 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
In every human being, there are three parts. The first one is Atman, which is the basic inert energy. The second one, Jeeva, is the bundle of qualities and feelings. The third part is the inert gross body. Atman is called causal body and Jeeva is called as subtle body. All these three bodies are present in every human being including the human incarnation. The difference between human being and the human incarnation is due to the existence of extra unimaginable God in the human being as the fourth part.

The gross body is decomposed and merges with the constituents of this gross world. The subtle body should be maintained to serve the Lord in the upper world as per Ramanuja and Madhva. In the salvation of Shankara, the subtle body should be destroyed so that the basic inert energy (Atman) merges with the cosmic infinite inert energy (Karya Bramhan).

In the salvation of Shankara, the story of the realized human being is finished once for all. Generally, the devoted soul also is maintained by the eternality of the subtle body for the sake of guidance for souls here and there. Similarly, after the death of human incarnation, the subtle body may remain in the upper world as per the concept of Ramanuja and Madhva or the subtle body may disappear as per the concept of Shankara. In both cases, the fourth part, the unimaginable God is separated or may remain in the subtle body present in the upper world. The choice is left to the will of God.

In the case of a realized human being, the subtle body may be destroyed or may not be destroyed as per the will of the devoted soul. But, generally, the subtle body of the human incarnation always remains in the upper world for the sake of guidance to the souls in the upper world and the devotees of this world. Hence, in the case of human incarnation, there is no destruction of any part of the four parts. The human incarnation is totally eternal. Therefore, Baba can appear in the energetic body or even in the materialized body as per His will since the subtle body representing all the Divine qualities remains eternal. Therefore, nothing is lost in the case of a human incarnation. Hence, there is no need of trace of worry about the human incarnation.

posted by: surya (disciple of Swamiji)
www.universal-spirituality.org
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1/24/2015 10:14:11 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/24/2015 1:41:36 AM, dattaswami wrote:
In every human being, there are three parts. The first one is Atman, which is the basic inert energy. The second one, Jeeva, is the bundle of qualities and feelings. The third part is the inert gross body. Atman is called causal body and Jeeva is called as subtle body. All these three bodies are present in every human being including the human incarnation. The difference between human being and the human incarnation is due to the existence of extra unimaginable God in the human being as the fourth part.

The gross body is decomposed and merges with the constituents of this gross world. The subtle body should be maintained to serve the Lord in the upper world as per Ramanuja and Madhva. In the salvation of Shankara, the subtle body should be destroyed so that the basic inert energy (Atman) merges with the cosmic infinite inert energy (Karya Bramhan).

In the salvation of Shankara, the story of the realized human being is finished once for all. Generally, the devoted soul also is maintained by the eternality of the subtle body for the sake of guidance for souls here and there. Similarly, after the death of human incarnation, the subtle body may remain in the upper world as per the concept of Ramanuja and Madhva or the subtle body may disappear as per the concept of Shankara. In both cases, the fourth part, the unimaginable God is separated or may remain in the subtle body present in the upper world. The choice is left to the will of God.

In the case of a realized human being, the subtle body may be destroyed or may not be destroyed as per the will of the devoted soul. But, generally, the subtle body of the human incarnation always remains in the upper world for the sake of guidance to the souls in the upper world and the devotees of this world. Hence, in the case of human incarnation, there is no destruction of any part of the four parts. The human incarnation is totally eternal. Therefore, Baba can appear in the energetic body or even in the materialized body as per His will since the subtle body representing all the Divine qualities remains eternal. Therefore, nothing is lost in the case of a human incarnation. Hence, there is no need of trace of worry about the human incarnation.

posted by: surya (disciple of Swamiji)
www.universal-spirituality.org

You're just as confused as all the Jews, Christians, Muslims and other religious people of this world. None of us saints were confused after God revealed who we are in Him and exactly how He created us.
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1/25/2015 2:02:41 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/24/2015 10:14:11 AM, bornofgod wrote:

You're just as confused as all the Jews, Christians, Muslims and other religious people of this world. None of us saints were confused after God revealed who we are in Him and exactly how He created us.

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Similarly the human body is like a shirt for jeeva or jeevatma (consisting of subtle body and causal body).

Infact, simple human body is inert like shirt only. The living being is the jeevatman in that. When death occurs, this jeevatman is leaving the inert body. Infact, death is only change of one shirt to another shirt. Living being or jeevatma is not dieing. If jeevatman dies, who will go to either heaven or permanent hell?

As far as Islam and Christianity are concerned, Jeeva either goes to heaven or permanent hell depending on its deeds. So, the inert physical body is left here only and the living being i.e., jeeva goes to upper world.

Similarly, when God comes in human form, He will also wear a shirt, which is nothing but physical body. At the end of the avatara, Lord recedes from that physical body.
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1/25/2015 8:56:48 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/25/2015 2:02:41 AM, dattaswami wrote:
At 1/24/2015 10:14:11 AM, bornofgod wrote:

You're just as confused as all the Jews, Christians, Muslims and other religious people of this world. None of us saints were confused after God revealed who we are in Him and exactly how He created us.

Reply:

Similarly the human body is like a shirt for jeeva or jeevatma (consisting of subtle body and causal body).

Infact, simple human body is inert like shirt only. The living being is the jeevatman in that. When death occurs, this jeevatman is leaving the inert body. Infact, death is only change of one shirt to another shirt. Living being or jeevatma is not dieing. If jeevatman dies, who will go to either heaven or permanent hell?

As far as Islam and Christianity are concerned, Jeeva either goes to heaven or permanent hell depending on its deeds. So, the inert physical body is left here only and the living being i.e., jeeva goes to upper world.

Similarly, when God comes in human form, He will also wear a shirt, which is nothing but physical body. At the end of the avatara, Lord recedes from that physical body.

You're just as deceived as the Christians are. God doesn't need to come into His visible world to show us that He exists. We saints and prophets know Him very well because we all had to obey His commands until He fulfilled His purpose for each one of us.
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1/25/2015 9:23:46 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/25/2015 8:56:48 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 1/25/2015 2:02:41 AM, dattaswami wrote:
At 1/24/2015 10:14:11 AM, bornofgod wrote:

You're just as confused as all the Jews, Christians, Muslims and other religious people of this world. None of us saints were confused after God revealed who we are in Him and exactly how He created us.

Reply:

Similarly the human body is like a shirt for jeeva or jeevatma (consisting of subtle body and causal body).

Infact, simple human body is inert like shirt only. The living being is the jeevatman in that. When death occurs, this jeevatman is leaving the inert body. Infact, death is only change of one shirt to another shirt. Living being or jeevatma is not dieing. If jeevatman dies, who will go to either heaven or permanent hell?

As far as Islam and Christianity are concerned, Jeeva either goes to heaven or permanent hell depending on its deeds. So, the inert physical body is left here only and the living being i.e., jeeva goes to upper world.

Similarly, when God comes in human form, He will also wear a shirt, which is nothing but physical body. At the end of the avatara, Lord recedes from that physical body.

You're just as deceived as the Christians are. God doesn't need to come into His visible world to show us that He exists. We saints and prophets know Him very well because we all had to obey His commands until He fulfilled His purpose for each one of us.

You are deceiving yourself as much or even more than anyone else is Brad. Your own prophecies about yourself don't even come true so that proves you are a false prophet and no one should believe a word you have written or spoken. The God you think you know is nothing but an illusion of your own mind. You obey nothing but your own mind.
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1/25/2015 9:25:09 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/25/2015 9:23:46 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 1/25/2015 8:56:48 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 1/25/2015 2:02:41 AM, dattaswami wrote:
At 1/24/2015 10:14:11 AM, bornofgod wrote:

You're just as confused as all the Jews, Christians, Muslims and other religious people of this world. None of us saints were confused after God revealed who we are in Him and exactly how He created us.

Reply:

Similarly the human body is like a shirt for jeeva or jeevatma (consisting of subtle body and causal body).

Infact, simple human body is inert like shirt only. The living being is the jeevatman in that. When death occurs, this jeevatman is leaving the inert body. Infact, death is only change of one shirt to another shirt. Living being or jeevatma is not dieing. If jeevatman dies, who will go to either heaven or permanent hell?

As far as Islam and Christianity are concerned, Jeeva either goes to heaven or permanent hell depending on its deeds. So, the inert physical body is left here only and the living being i.e., jeeva goes to upper world.

Similarly, when God comes in human form, He will also wear a shirt, which is nothing but physical body. At the end of the avatara, Lord recedes from that physical body.

You're just as deceived as the Christians are. God doesn't need to come into His visible world to show us that He exists. We saints and prophets know Him very well because we all had to obey His commands until He fulfilled His purpose for each one of us.

You are deceiving yourself as much or even more than anyone else is Brad. Your own prophecies about yourself don't even come true so that proves you are a false prophet and no one should believe a word you have written or spoken. The God you think you know is nothing but an illusion of your own mind. You obey nothing but your own mind.

I'm not deceiving myself or anyone else. I'm only testifying to the knowledge of God that I possess. I have no control over what I testify to because our Creator is in total control of everything He planned, created and formed as illusions.
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1/25/2015 9:25:32 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/24/2015 1:41:36 AM, dattaswami wrote:
In every human being, there are three parts. The first one is Atman, which is the basic inert energy. The second one, Jeeva, is the bundle of qualities and feelings. The third part is the inert gross body. Atman is called causal body and Jeeva is called as subtle body. All these three bodies are present in every human being including the human incarnation. The difference between human being and the human incarnation is due to the existence of extra unimaginable God in the human being as the fourth part.

The gross body is decomposed and merges with the constituents of this gross world. The subtle body should be maintained to serve the Lord in the upper world as per Ramanuja and Madhva. In the salvation of Shankara, the subtle body should be destroyed so that the basic inert energy (Atman) merges with the cosmic infinite inert energy (Karya Bramhan).

In the salvation of Shankara, the story of the realized human being is finished once for all. Generally, the devoted soul also is maintained by the eternality of the subtle body for the sake of guidance for souls here and there. Similarly, after the death of human incarnation, the subtle body may remain in the upper world as per the concept of Ramanuja and Madhva or the subtle body may disappear as per the concept of Shankara. In both cases, the fourth part, the unimaginable God is separated or may remain in the subtle body present in the upper world. The choice is left to the will of God.

In the case of a realized human being, the subtle body may be destroyed or may not be destroyed as per the will of the devoted soul. But, generally, the subtle body of the human incarnation always remains in the upper world for the sake of guidance to the souls in the upper world and the devotees of this world. Hence, in the case of human incarnation, there is no destruction of any part of the four parts. The human incarnation is totally eternal. Therefore, Baba can appear in the energetic body or even in the materialized body as per His will since the subtle body representing all the Divine qualities remains eternal. Therefore, nothing is lost in the case of a human incarnation. Hence, there is no need of trace of worry about the human incarnation.

posted by: surya (disciple of Swamiji)
www.universal-spirituality.org

And here it is in plain English:

The root to the word "BRAHMAN" originally meant "SPEECH", much the same as the "LOGOS" is said to mean "WORD," but both are in fact, the gathered genetic information of every universal body throughout all eternity. Both Brahman and Logos, should be seen as the essential divine reality of the universe the eternal spirit from which all being originates, and to which all must return.

You are body, soul and spirit. Your body is made up from the universal elements, and it is activated by the universal soul, which is the animating principle that pervades the entire universal body, activating everything within the universe, from the wave particles to the subatomic particles that make up the atoms which are the building blocks of the molecules from which the universal body is created. It is to the universal soul=LIFE-FORCE that all information = SPIRIT is gathered.

"YOU" the mind, are spirit. The body in which you, [The mind] are developing as the supreme head and controller of that body, is made up of the universal elements, which is activated by the soul [Animating life force] to which all the spirit [gathered information] of all your ancestors, human and prehuman, has been gathered in the evolution of whatever was in the beginning to become who you are, and that parental spirit dwells behind the veil to the inner most sanctuary of its earthly tabernacle=tent, which is your body.

If that body in which your parental spirit dwells, were born without the sense of sight, hearing, smell, taste, touch, etc, then no information whatsoever could be taken into the brain, and "YOU" who are spirit [Gathered information] in this particular life cycle, could never have begun to develop and the living body, in which the parental spirit dwells, would soon die, never having developed a personality = "CONTROLLING GODHEAD" to that body.

Then of the Thee in Me who works behind
The veil, I lifted up my hands to find
A lamp amid the Darkness; and I heard,
As from Without__ "The Me within Thee is blind.".... By Omar Khayyam.

When the body in which you [the mind] are being formed, dies, [This is the first death] and your body: "skin, flesh, muscle, blood, bone, brain matter etc, etc," has returned to the universal elements from which it was created, all that remains, is a shadow or rather, a facsimile of YOU = the mind=spirit, that has been imprinted into the universal life force=soul, from which it will be resurrected in the next cycle of universal activity. Unless of course, the information=spirit that is "YOU" is divided from the universal life-force, which is the second death. For the spirit=information that is you, can be divided from the universal soul----------"For the word of God is alive and active, sharper than any two edged sword. It cuts all the way through to the division of the soul and spirit."
'
The term, "THE WORD OF GOD," pertains to the sense that is identical to the term "LOGOS" or the mold. The mold by which the whole sense of a thing is given. In other words, the very plan from the outset. In Sanskrit the similar meaning is given in the use of the word 'vach.' Vach means word. But in Sanskrit teachings of the Sanatana Dharma, vach has many levels. Including where the word is first considered as being in the mind as a thought, not as the spoken word or speech.

We humans, may express in our spoken words, all the information that has been gathered through the senses of our bodies in the creation of the invisible minds=spirits that are "WE". Our word is the expression of "Who we are." Your words are the spirit that is "YOU" the mind.

But the "LOGOS=WORD" and BRAHMAN=SPEECH" who are the gathered information=spirit of the aeons, express the information that has been gathered to the universal soul as another universal body, which is in the image and likeness to the previous universe, [The Resurrection] in which the eternal Spirit=mind has and can continue to evolve.
The tongue, the sharp two edged sword that divides the spirit from the soul.
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1/25/2015 9:33:04 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/24/2015 1:41:36 AM, dattaswami wrote:
In every human being, there are three parts. The first one is Atman, which is the basic inert energy. The second one, Jeeva, is the bundle of qualities and feelings. The third part is the inert gross body. Atman is called causal body and Jeeva is called as subtle body. All these three bodies are present in every human being including the human incarnation. The difference between human being and the human incarnation is due to the existence of extra unimaginable God in the human being as the fourth part.

The gross body is decomposed and merges with the constituents of this gross world. The subtle body should be maintained to serve the Lord in the upper world as per Ramanuja and Madhva. In the salvation of Shankara, the subtle body should be destroyed so that the basic inert energy (Atman) merges with the cosmic infinite inert energy (Karya Bramhan).

In the salvation of Shankara, the story of the realized human being is finished once for all. Generally, the devoted soul also is maintained by the eternality of the subtle body for the sake of guidance for souls here and there. Similarly, after the death of human incarnation, the subtle body may remain in the upper world as per the concept of Ramanuja and Madhva or the subtle body may disappear as per the concept of Shankara. In both cases, the fourth part, the unimaginable God is separated or may remain in the subtle body present in the upper world. The choice is left to the will of God.

In the case of a realized human being, the subtle body may be destroyed or may not be destroyed as per the will of the devoted soul. But, generally, the subtle body of the human incarnation always remains in the upper world for the sake of guidance to the souls in the upper world and the devotees of this world. Hence, in the case of human incarnation, there is no destruction of any part of the four parts. The human incarnation is totally eternal. Therefore, Baba can appear in the energetic body or even in the materialized body as per His will since the subtle body representing all the Divine qualities remains eternal. Therefore, nothing is lost in the case of a human incarnation. Hence, there is no need of trace of worry about the human incarnation.

posted by: surya (disciple of Swamiji)
www.universal-spirituality.org

Correction humans consist of Water (35 L), Carbon (20 kg), Ammonia (4 L), Lime (1.5 kg), Phosphorous (800 g), Salt (250 g), Saltpeter (100 g), Sulfur (80 g), Fluorine (7.5 g), Iron (5 g), Silicon (3 g) and trace amounts fifteen other elements.
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1/25/2015 9:33:08 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/25/2015 9:25:32 PM, Gentorev wrote:
At 1/24/2015 1:41:36 AM, dattaswami wrote:
In every human being, there are three parts. The first one is Atman, which is the basic inert energy. The second one, Jeeva, is the bundle of qualities and feelings. The third part is the inert gross body. Atman is called causal body and Jeeva is called as subtle body. All these three bodies are present in every human being including the human incarnation. The difference between human being and the human incarnation is due to the existence of extra unimaginable God in the human being as the fourth part.

The gross body is decomposed and merges with the constituents of this gross world. The subtle body should be maintained to serve the Lord in the upper world as per Ramanuja and Madhva. In the salvation of Shankara, the subtle body should be destroyed so that the basic inert energy (Atman) merges with the cosmic infinite inert energy (Karya Bramhan).

In the salvation of Shankara, the story of the realized human being is finished once for all. Generally, the devoted soul also is maintained by the eternality of the subtle body for the sake of guidance for souls here and there. Similarly, after the death of human incarnation, the subtle body may remain in the upper world as per the concept of Ramanuja and Madhva or the subtle body may disappear as per the concept of Shankara. In both cases, the fourth part, the unimaginable God is separated or may remain in the subtle body present in the upper world. The choice is left to the will of God.

In the case of a realized human being, the subtle body may be destroyed or may not be destroyed as per the will of the devoted soul. But, generally, the subtle body of the human incarnation always remains in the upper world for the sake of guidance to the souls in the upper world and the devotees of this world. Hence, in the case of human incarnation, there is no destruction of any part of the four parts. The human incarnation is totally eternal. Therefore, Baba can appear in the energetic body or even in the materialized body as per His will since the subtle body representing all the Divine qualities remains eternal. Therefore, nothing is lost in the case of a human incarnation. Hence, there is no need of trace of worry about the human incarnation.

posted by: surya (disciple of Swamiji)
www.universal-spirituality.org

And here it is in plain English:

The root to the word "BRAHMAN" originally meant "SPEECH", much the same as the "LOGOS" is said to mean "WORD," but both are in fact, the gathered genetic information of every universal body throughout all eternity. Both Brahman and Logos, should be seen as the essential divine reality of the universe the eternal spirit from which all being originates, and to which all must return.

You are body, soul and spirit. Your body is made up from the universal elements, and it is activated by the universal soul, which is the animating principle that pervades the entire universal body, activating everything within the universe, from the wave particles to the subatomic particles that make up the atoms which are the building blocks of the molecules from which the universal body is created. It is to the universal soul=LIFE-FORCE that all information = SPIRIT is gathered.

"YOU" the mind, are spirit. The body in which you, [The mind] are developing as the supreme head and controller of that body, is made up of the universal elements, which is activated by the soul [Animating life force] to which all the spirit [gathered information] of all your ancestors, human and prehuman, has been gathered in the evolution of whatever was in the beginning to become who you are, and that parental spirit dwells behind the veil to the inner most sanctuary of its earthly tabernacle=tent, which is your body.

If that body in which your parental spirit dwells, were born without the sense of sight, hearing, smell, taste, touch, etc, then no information whatsoever could be taken into the brain, and "YOU" who are spirit [Gathered information] in this particular life cycle, could never have begun to develop and the living body, in which the parental spirit dwells, would soon die, never having developed a personality = "CONTROLLING GODHEAD" to that body.

Then of the Thee in Me who works behind
The veil, I lifted up my hands to find
A lamp amid the Darkness; and I heard,
As from Without__ "The Me within Thee is blind.".... By Omar Khayyam.

When the body in which you [the mind] are being formed, dies, [This is the first death] and your body: "skin, flesh, muscle, blood, bone, brain matter etc, etc," has returned to the universal elements from which it was created, all that remains, is a shadow or rather, a facsimile of YOU = the mind=spirit, that has been imprinted into the universal life force=soul, from which it will be resurrected in the next cycle of universal activity. Unless of course, the information=spirit that is "YOU" is divided from the universal life-force, which is the second death. For the spirit=information that is you, can be divided from the universal soul----------"For the word of God is alive and active, sharper than any two edged sword. It cuts all the way through to the division of the soul and spirit."
'
The term, "THE WORD OF GOD," pertains to the sense that is identical to the term "LOGOS" or the mold. The mold by which the whole sense of a thing is given. In other words, the very plan from the outset. In Sanskrit the similar meaning is given in the use of the word 'vach.' Vach means word. But in Sanskrit teachings of the Sanatana Dharma, vach has many levels. Including where the word is first considered as being in the mind as a thought, not as the spoken word or speech.

We humans, may express in our spoken words, all the information that has been gathered through the senses of our bodies in the creation of the invisible minds=spirits that are "WE". Our word is the expression of "Who we are." Your words are the spirit that is "YOU" the mind.

But the "LOGOS=WORD" and BRAHMAN=SPEECH" who are the gathered information=spirit of the aeons, express the information that has been gathered to the universal soul as another universal body, which is in the image and likeness to the previous universe, [The Resurrection] in which the eternal Spirit=mind has and can continue to evolve.

You should understand who I am but some of God's people who are enlightened with a little knowledge get too proud to admit they don't know the future.
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1/25/2015 9:42:32 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/25/2015 9:25:09 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 1/25/2015 9:23:46 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 1/25/2015 8:56:48 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 1/25/2015 2:02:41 AM, dattaswami wrote:
At 1/24/2015 10:14:11 AM, bornofgod wrote:

You're just as confused as all the Jews, Christians, Muslims and other religious people of this world. None of us saints were confused after God revealed who we are in Him and exactly how He created us.

Reply:

Similarly the human body is like a shirt for jeeva or jeevatma (consisting of subtle body and causal body).

Infact, simple human body is inert like shirt only. The living being is the jeevatman in that. When death occurs, this jeevatman is leaving the inert body. Infact, death is only change of one shirt to another shirt. Living being or jeevatma is not dieing. If jeevatman dies, who will go to either heaven or permanent hell?

As far as Islam and Christianity are concerned, Jeeva either goes to heaven or permanent hell depending on its deeds. So, the inert physical body is left here only and the living being i.e., jeeva goes to upper world.

Similarly, when God comes in human form, He will also wear a shirt, which is nothing but physical body. At the end of the avatara, Lord recedes from that physical body.

You're just as deceived as the Christians are. God doesn't need to come into His visible world to show us that He exists. We saints and prophets know Him very well because we all had to obey His commands until He fulfilled His purpose for each one of us.

You are deceiving yourself as much or even more than anyone else is Brad. Your own prophecies about yourself don't even come true so that proves you are a false prophet and no one should believe a word you have written or spoken. The God you think you know is nothing but an illusion of your own mind. You obey nothing but your own mind.

I'm not deceiving myself or anyone else. I'm only testifying to the knowledge of God that I possess. I have no control over what I testify to because our Creator is in total control of everything He planned, created and formed as illusions.

You are deceiving yourself with your own illusions and are obviously in denial of that fact. You testify about your own illusions not about any knowledge of God. Your God is your own mind which is obviously warped and twisted.
If you have no control over your own mind then you obviously lack self control.
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1/25/2015 10:02:42 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/25/2015 9:42:32 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 1/25/2015 9:25:09 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 1/25/2015 9:23:46 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 1/25/2015 8:56:48 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 1/25/2015 2:02:41 AM, dattaswami wrote:
At 1/24/2015 10:14:11 AM, bornofgod wrote:

You're just as confused as all the Jews, Christians, Muslims and other religious people of this world. None of us saints were confused after God revealed who we are in Him and exactly how He created us.

Reply:

Similarly the human body is like a shirt for jeeva or jeevatma (consisting of subtle body and causal body).

Infact, simple human body is inert like shirt only. The living being is the jeevatman in that. When death occurs, this jeevatman is leaving the inert body. Infact, death is only change of one shirt to another shirt. Living being or jeevatma is not dieing. If jeevatman dies, who will go to either heaven or permanent hell?

As far as Islam and Christianity are concerned, Jeeva either goes to heaven or permanent hell depending on its deeds. So, the inert physical body is left here only and the living being i.e., jeeva goes to upper world.

Similarly, when God comes in human form, He will also wear a shirt, which is nothing but physical body. At the end of the avatara, Lord recedes from that physical body.

You're just as deceived as the Christians are. God doesn't need to come into His visible world to show us that He exists. We saints and prophets know Him very well because we all had to obey His commands until He fulfilled His purpose for each one of us.

You are deceiving yourself as much or even more than anyone else is Brad. Your own prophecies about yourself don't even come true so that proves you are a false prophet and no one should believe a word you have written or spoken. The God you think you know is nothing but an illusion of your own mind. You obey nothing but your own mind.

I'm not deceiving myself or anyone else. I'm only testifying to the knowledge of God that I possess. I have no control over what I testify to because our Creator is in total control of everything He planned, created and formed as illusions.

You are deceiving yourself with your own illusions and are obviously in denial of that fact. You testify about your own illusions not about any knowledge of God. Your God is your own mind which is obviously warped and twisted.
If you have no control over your own mind then you obviously lack self control.

I'm not deceived at all. I will continue speaking for our Creator until I'm killed for doing so. You will continue being an antichrist until you are killed by our Creator.
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1/25/2015 10:20:17 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/25/2015 10:02:42 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 1/25/2015 9:42:32 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 1/25/2015 9:25:09 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 1/25/2015 9:23:46 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 1/25/2015 8:56:48 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 1/25/2015 2:02:41 AM, dattaswami wrote:
At 1/24/2015 10:14:11 AM, bornofgod wrote:

You're just as confused as all the Jews, Christians, Muslims and other religious people of this world. None of us saints were confused after God revealed who we are in Him and exactly how He created us.

Reply:

Similarly the human body is like a shirt for jeeva or jeevatma (consisting of subtle body and causal body).

Infact, simple human body is inert like shirt only. The living being is the jeevatman in that. When death occurs, this jeevatman is leaving the inert body. Infact, death is only change of one shirt to another shirt. Living being or jeevatma is not dieing. If jeevatman dies, who will go to either heaven or permanent hell?

As far as Islam and Christianity are concerned, Jeeva either goes to heaven or permanent hell depending on its deeds. So, the inert physical body is left here only and the living being i.e., jeeva goes to upper world.

Similarly, when God comes in human form, He will also wear a shirt, which is nothing but physical body. At the end of the avatara, Lord recedes from that physical body.

You're just as deceived as the Christians are. God doesn't need to come into His visible world to show us that He exists. We saints and prophets know Him very well because we all had to obey His commands until He fulfilled His purpose for each one of us.

You are deceiving yourself as much or even more than anyone else is Brad. Your own prophecies about yourself don't even come true so that proves you are a false prophet and no one should believe a word you have written or spoken. The God you think you know is nothing but an illusion of your own mind. You obey nothing but your own mind.

I'm not deceiving myself or anyone else. I'm only testifying to the knowledge of God that I possess. I have no control over what I testify to because our Creator is in total control of everything He planned, created and formed as illusions.

You are deceiving yourself with your own illusions and are obviously in denial of that fact. You testify about your own illusions not about any knowledge of God. Your God is your own mind which is obviously warped and twisted.
If you have no control over your own mind then you obviously lack self control.

I'm not deceived at all. I will continue speaking for our Creator until I'm killed for doing so. You will continue being an antichrist until you are killed by our Creator.

No one is going to kill me. I have no enemies. I will die a natural death one day. I will pass away like anyone else.
You are obviously in denial of your own self deceptions because you refuse to face the fact that you are deceiving yourself.
No one is going to literally kill you or shoot you with real bullets for taking about your own illusions.
Most people see you as a harmless crazy person.
If they thought you were a danger to anyone or to yourself they would most likely institutionalize you.
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1/25/2015 10:25:41 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/25/2015 10:20:17 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 1/25/2015 10:02:42 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 1/25/2015 9:42:32 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 1/25/2015 9:25:09 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 1/25/2015 9:23:46 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 1/25/2015 8:56:48 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 1/25/2015 2:02:41 AM, dattaswami wrote:
At 1/24/2015 10:14:11 AM, bornofgod wrote:

You're just as confused as all the Jews, Christians, Muslims and other religious people of this world. None of us saints were confused after God revealed who we are in Him and exactly how He created us.

Reply:

Similarly the human body is like a shirt for jeeva or jeevatma (consisting of subtle body and causal body).

Infact, simple human body is inert like shirt only. The living being is the jeevatman in that. When death occurs, this jeevatman is leaving the inert body. Infact, death is only change of one shirt to another shirt. Living being or jeevatma is not dieing. If jeevatman dies, who will go to either heaven or permanent hell?

As far as Islam and Christianity are concerned, Jeeva either goes to heaven or permanent hell depending on its deeds. So, the inert physical body is left here only and the living being i.e., jeeva goes to upper world.

Similarly, when God comes in human form, He will also wear a shirt, which is nothing but physical body. At the end of the avatara, Lord recedes from that physical body.

You're just as deceived as the Christians are. God doesn't need to come into His visible world to show us that He exists. We saints and prophets know Him very well because we all had to obey His commands until He fulfilled His purpose for each one of us.

You are deceiving yourself as much or even more than anyone else is Brad. Your own prophecies about yourself don't even come true so that proves you are a false prophet and no one should believe a word you have written or spoken. The God you think you know is nothing but an illusion of your own mind. You obey nothing but your own mind.

I'm not deceiving myself or anyone else. I'm only testifying to the knowledge of God that I possess. I have no control over what I testify to because our Creator is in total control of everything He planned, created and formed as illusions.

You are deceiving yourself with your own illusions and are obviously in denial of that fact. You testify about your own illusions not about any knowledge of God. Your God is your own mind which is obviously warped and twisted.
If you have no control over your own mind then you obviously lack self control.

I'm not deceived at all. I will continue speaking for our Creator until I'm killed for doing so. You will continue being an antichrist until you are killed by our Creator.

No one is going to kill me. I have no enemies. I will die a natural death one day. I will pass away like anyone else.
You are obviously in denial of your own self deceptions because you refuse to face the fact that you are deceiving yourself.
No one is going to literally kill you or shoot you with real bullets for taking about your own illusions.
Most people see you as a harmless crazy person.
If they thought you were a danger to anyone or to yourself they would most likely institutionalize you.

You're going to die exactly the way our Creator planned it. He's the killer of ALL His people.
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1/25/2015 10:53:35 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/25/2015 10:25:41 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 1/25/2015 10:20:17 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 1/25/2015 10:02:42 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 1/25/2015 9:42:32 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 1/25/2015 9:25:09 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 1/25/2015 9:23:46 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 1/25/2015 8:56:48 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 1/25/2015 2:02:41 AM, dattaswami wrote:
At 1/24/2015 10:14:11 AM, bornofgod wrote:

You're just as confused as all the Jews, Christians, Muslims and other religious people of this world. None of us saints were confused after God revealed who we are in Him and exactly how He created us.

Reply:

Similarly the human body is like a shirt for jeeva or jeevatma (consisting of subtle body and causal body).

Infact, simple human body is inert like shirt only. The living being is the jeevatman in that. When death occurs, this jeevatman is leaving the inert body. Infact, death is only change of one shirt to another shirt. Living being or jeevatma is not dieing. If jeevatman dies, who will go to either heaven or permanent hell?

As far as Islam and Christianity are concerned, Jeeva either goes to heaven or permanent hell depending on its deeds. So, the inert physical body is left here only and the living being i.e., jeeva goes to upper world.

Similarly, when God comes in human form, He will also wear a shirt, which is nothing but physical body. At the end of the avatara, Lord recedes from that physical body.

You're just as deceived as the Christians are. God doesn't need to come into His visible world to show us that He exists. We saints and prophets know Him very well because we all had to obey His commands until He fulfilled His purpose for each one of us.

You are deceiving yourself as much or even more than anyone else is Brad. Your own prophecies about yourself don't even come true so that proves you are a false prophet and no one should believe a word you have written or spoken. The God you think you know is nothing but an illusion of your own mind. You obey nothing but your own mind.

I'm not deceiving myself or anyone else. I'm only testifying to the knowledge of God that I possess. I have no control over what I testify to because our Creator is in total control of everything He planned, created and formed as illusions.

You are deceiving yourself with your own illusions and are obviously in denial of that fact. You testify about your own illusions not about any knowledge of God. Your God is your own mind which is obviously warped and twisted.
If you have no control over your own mind then you obviously lack self control.

I'm not deceived at all. I will continue speaking for our Creator until I'm killed for doing so. You will continue being an antichrist until you are killed by our Creator.

No one is going to kill me. I have no enemies. I will die a natural death one day. I will pass away like anyone else.
You are obviously in denial of your own self deceptions because you refuse to face the fact that you are deceiving yourself.
No one is going to literally kill you or shoot you with real bullets for taking about your own illusions.
Most people see you as a harmless crazy person.
If they thought you were a danger to anyone or to yourself they would most likely institutionalize you.

You're going to die exactly the way our Creator planned it. He's the killer of ALL His people.

Life is the creator and destroyer of Life, Brad. No supernatural character creates or kills anything.
Mother nature created me and the grim reaper will take me away one day. Such is Life.
No one planned for you to get shot by any bullets Brad. You are not going to be assassinated by anyone. That is all just an illusion you created in your own mind.
You will most likely simply die a natural death of old age or some disease like most people do.
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1/25/2015 10:57:21 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/25/2015 10:53:35 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 1/25/2015 10:25:41 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 1/25/2015 10:20:17 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 1/25/2015 10:02:42 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 1/25/2015 9:42:32 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 1/25/2015 9:25:09 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 1/25/2015 9:23:46 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 1/25/2015 8:56:48 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 1/25/2015 2:02:41 AM, dattaswami wrote:
At 1/24/2015 10:14:11 AM, bornofgod wrote:

You're just as confused as all the Jews, Christians, Muslims and other religious people of this world. None of us saints were confused after God revealed who we are in Him and exactly how He created us.

Reply:

Similarly the human body is like a shirt for jeeva or jeevatma (consisting of subtle body and causal body).

Infact, simple human body is inert like shirt only. The living being is the jeevatman in that. When death occurs, this jeevatman is leaving the inert body. Infact, death is only change of one shirt to another shirt. Living being or jeevatma is not dieing. If jeevatman dies, who will go to either heaven or permanent hell?

As far as Islam and Christianity are concerned, Jeeva either goes to heaven or permanent hell depending on its deeds. So, the inert physical body is left here only and the living being i.e., jeeva goes to upper world.

Similarly, when God comes in human form, He will also wear a shirt, which is nothing but physical body. At the end of the avatara, Lord recedes from that physical body.

You're just as deceived as the Christians are. God doesn't need to come into His visible world to show us that He exists. We saints and prophets know Him very well because we all had to obey His commands until He fulfilled His purpose for each one of us.

You are deceiving yourself as much or even more than anyone else is Brad. Your own prophecies about yourself don't even come true so that proves you are a false prophet and no one should believe a word you have written or spoken. The God you think you know is nothing but an illusion of your own mind. You obey nothing but your own mind.

I'm not deceiving myself or anyone else. I'm only testifying to the knowledge of God that I possess. I have no control over what I testify to because our Creator is in total control of everything He planned, created and formed as illusions.

You are deceiving yourself with your own illusions and are obviously in denial of that fact. You testify about your own illusions not about any knowledge of God. Your God is your own mind which is obviously warped and twisted.
If you have no control over your own mind then you obviously lack self control.

I'm not deceived at all. I will continue speaking for our Creator until I'm killed for doing so. You will continue being an antichrist until you are killed by our Creator.

No one is going to kill me. I have no enemies. I will die a natural death one day. I will pass away like anyone else.
You are obviously in denial of your own self deceptions because you refuse to face the fact that you are deceiving yourself.
No one is going to literally kill you or shoot you with real bullets for taking about your own illusions.
Most people see you as a harmless crazy person.
If they thought you were a danger to anyone or to yourself they would most likely institutionalize you.

You're going to die exactly the way our Creator planned it. He's the killer of ALL His people.

Life is the creator and destroyer of Life, Brad. No supernatural character creates or kills anything.
Mother nature created me and the grim reaper will take me away one day. Such is Life.
No one planned for you to get shot by any bullets Brad. You are not going to be assassinated by anyone. That is all just an illusion you created in your own mind.
You will most likely simply die a natural death of old age or some disease like most people do.

Our invisible Creator is the creator of Life. He planned a program called Eternal Life. Then He converted His thoughts into invisible vibrations. One wavelength of a vibration is one bit of information. We exist as characters in this information. Our bodies are only illusions that come from processed information.
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1/25/2015 11:04:49 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/25/2015 9:33:08 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 1/25/2015 9:25:32 PM, Gentorev wrote:
At 1/24/2015 1:41:36 AM, dattaswami wrote:
In every human being, there are three parts. The first one is Atman, which is the basic inert energy. The second one, Jeeva, is the bundle of qualities and feelings. The third part is the inert gross body. Atman is called causal body and Jeeva is called as subtle body. All these three bodies are present in every human being including the human incarnation. The difference between human being and the human incarnation is due to the existence of extra unimaginable God in the human being as the fourth part.

The gross body is decomposed and merges with the constituents of this gross world. The subtle body should be maintained to serve the Lord in the upper world as per Ramanuja and Madhva. In the salvation of Shankara, the subtle body should be destroyed so that the basic inert energy (Atman) merges with the cosmic infinite inert energy (Karya Bramhan).

In the salvation of Shankara, the story of the realized human being is finished once for all. Generally, the devoted soul also is maintained by the eternality of the subtle body for the sake of guidance for souls here and there. Similarly, after the death of human incarnation, the subtle body may remain in the upper world as per the concept of Ramanuja and Madhva or the subtle body may disappear as per the concept of Shankara. In both cases, the fourth part, the unimaginable God is separated or may remain in the subtle body present in the upper world. The choice is left to the will of God.

In the case of a realized human being, the subtle body may be destroyed or may not be destroyed as per the will of the devoted soul. But, generally, the subtle body of the human incarnation always remains in the upper world for the sake of guidance to the souls in the upper world and the devotees of this world. Hence, in the case of human incarnation, there is no destruction of any part of the four parts. The human incarnation is totally eternal. Therefore, Baba can appear in the energetic body or even in the materialized body as per His will since the subtle body representing all the Divine qualities remains eternal. Therefore, nothing is lost in the case of a human incarnation. Hence, there is no need of trace of worry about the human incarnation.

posted by: surya (disciple of Swamiji)
www.universal-spirituality.org

And here it is in plain English:

The root to the word "BRAHMAN" originally meant "SPEECH", much the same as the "LOGOS" is said to mean "WORD," but both are in fact, the gathered genetic information of every universal body throughout all eternity. Both Brahman and Logos, should be seen as the essential divine reality of the universe the eternal spirit from which all being originates, and to which all must return.

You are body, soul and spirit. Your body is made up from the universal elements, and it is activated by the universal soul, which is the animating principle that pervades the entire universal body, activating everything within the universe, from the wave particles to the subatomic particles that make up the atoms which are the building blocks of the molecules from which the universal body is created. It is to the universal soul=LIFE-FORCE that all information = SPIRIT is gathered.

"YOU" the mind, are spirit. The body in which you, [The mind] are developing as the supreme head and controller of that body, is made up of the universal elements, which is activated by the soul [Animating life force] to which all the spirit [gathered information] of all your ancestors, human and prehuman, has been gathered in the evolution of whatever was in the beginning to become who you are, and that parental spirit dwells behind the veil to the inner most sanctuary of its earthly tabernacle=tent, which is your body.

If that body in which your parental spirit dwells, were born without the sense of sight, hearing, smell, taste, touch, etc, then no information whatsoever could be taken into the brain, and "YOU" who are spirit [Gathered information] in this particular life cycle, could never have begun to develop and the living body, in which the parental spirit dwells, would soon die, never having developed a personality = "CONTROLLING GODHEAD" to that body.

Then of the Thee in Me who works behind
The veil, I lifted up my hands to find
A lamp amid the Darkness; and I heard,
As from Without__ "The Me within Thee is blind.".... By Omar Khayyam.

When the body in which you [the mind] are being formed, dies, [This is the first death] and your body: "skin, flesh, muscle, blood, bone, brain matter etc, etc," has returned to the universal elements from which it was created, all that remains, is a shadow or rather, a facsimile of YOU = the mind=spirit, that has been imprinted into the universal life force=soul, from which it will be resurrected in the next cycle of universal activity. Unless of course, the information=spirit that is "YOU" is divided from the universal life-force, which is the second death. For the spirit=information that is you, can be divided from the universal soul----------"For the word of God is alive and active, sharper than any two edged sword. It cuts all the way through to the division of the soul and spirit."
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The term, "THE WORD OF GOD," pertains to the sense that is identical to the term "LOGOS" or the mold. The mold by which the whole sense of a thing is given. In other words, the very plan from the outset. In Sanskrit the similar meaning is given in the use of the word 'vach.' Vach means word. But in Sanskrit teachings of the Sanatana Dharma, vach has many levels. Including where the word is first considered as being in the mind as a thought, not as the spoken word or speech.

We humans, may express in our spoken words, all the information that has been gathered through the senses of our bodies in the creation of the invisible minds=spirits that are "WE". Our word is the expression of "Who we are." Your words are the spirit that is "YOU" the mind.

But the "LOGOS=WORD" and BRAHMAN=SPEECH" who are the gathered information=spirit of the aeons, express the information that has been gathered to the universal soul as another universal body, which is in the image and likeness to the previous universe, [The Resurrection] in which the eternal Spirit=mind has and can continue to evolve.

You should understand who I am but some of God's people who are enlightened with a little knowledge get too proud to admit they don't know the future.

Oh I know who you are, your friend who believes that he is Napoleon Bonaparte told me all about you, and I pity you and pray that one day you will be cured of your schizophrenia, and then come to know the one true God.
The tongue, the sharp two edged sword that divides the spirit from the soul.
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1/25/2015 11:16:33 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/24/2015 1:41:36 AM, dattaswami wrote:
In every human being, there are three parts. The first one is Atman, which is the basic inert energy. The second one, Jeeva, is the bundle of qualities and feelings. The third part is the inert gross body. Atman is called causal body and Jeeva is called as subtle body. All these three bodies are present in every human being including the human incarnation. The difference between human being and the human incarnation is due to the existence of extra unimaginable God in the human being as the fourth part.

The gross body is decomposed and merges with the constituents of this gross world. The subtle body should be maintained to serve the Lord in the upper world as per Ramanuja and Madhva. In the salvation of Shankara, the subtle body should be destroyed so that the basic inert energy (Atman) merges with the cosmic infinite inert energy (Karya Bramhan).

In the salvation of Shankara, the story of the realized human being is finished once for all. Generally, the devoted soul also is maintained by the eternality of the subtle body for the sake of guidance for souls here and there. Similarly, after the death of human incarnation, the subtle body may remain in the upper world as per the concept of Ramanuja and Madhva or the subtle body may disappear as per the concept of Shankara. In both cases, the fourth part, the unimaginable God is separated or may remain in the subtle body present in the upper world. The choice is left to the will of God.

In the case of a realized human being, the subtle body may be destroyed or may not be destroyed as per the will of the devoted soul. But, generally, the subtle body of the human incarnation always remains in the upper world for the sake of guidance to the souls in the upper world and the devotees of this world. Hence, in the case of human incarnation, there is no destruction of any part of the four parts. The human incarnation is totally eternal. Therefore, Baba can appear in the energetic body or even in the materialized body as per His will since the subtle body representing all the Divine qualities remains eternal. Therefore, nothing is lost in the case of a human incarnation. Hence, there is no need of trace of worry about the human incarnation.

posted by: surya (disciple of Swamiji)
www.universal-spirituality.org

Surya, sun god in Iranian, if any swamis ever had it right India would lead the world in social problem solving. You have been deceived for thousands of years by false religion building its bricks of fables and stories and bad philosophy because of never finding God Most High and the Messiah which straightens spiritual knowledge back to the path to God--and not to oneself seeking personal escape from life's problems instead of losing self in service to others as is the Christian way.
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1/25/2015 11:26:41 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/25/2015 10:57:21 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 1/25/2015 10:53:35 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 1/25/2015 10:25:41 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 1/25/2015 10:20:17 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 1/25/2015 10:02:42 PM, bornofgod wrote:

You're going to die exactly the way our Creator planned it. He's the killer of ALL His people.

Life is the creator and destroyer of Life, Brad. No supernatural character creates or kills anything.
Mother nature created me and the grim reaper will take me away one day. Such is Life.
No one planned for you to get shot by any bullets Brad. You are not going to be assassinated by anyone. That is all just an illusion you created in your own mind.
You will most likely simply die a natural death of old age or some disease like most people do.

Our invisible Creator is the creator of Life. He planned a program called Eternal Life. Then He converted His thoughts into invisible vibrations. One wavelength of a vibration is one bit of information. We exist as characters in this information. Our bodies are only illusions that come from processed information.

LIFE is the creator of LIFE, Brad.
Life is eternal. It has always existed.
There is no supernatural character outside of Life which created Life. Life created Life in its own image and still does to this very day. That process is perfectly observable and understandable if you want to understand it.
Thoughts are in human minds and most likely in the minds of other living things even though they might express those thoughts differently to the way humans do.
If you want to believe Life is nothing but an illusion then your God is also nothing but an illusion which is all part of Life itself.
Information exists as part of Life. Is all that information an illusion too in your mind? If so any information you share is also nothing but an illusion and there is no reason for anyone to believe a word you say or write is factual or real or true because all you are sharing is just an illusion in your own mind.
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1/25/2015 11:31:29 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/25/2015 9:33:08 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 1/25/2015 9:25:32 PM, Gentorev wrote:
At 1/24/2015 1:41:36 AM, dattaswami wrote:
In every human being, there are three parts. The first one is Atman, which is the basic inert energy. The second one, Jeeva, is the bundle of qualities and feelings. The third part is the inert gross body. Atman is called causal body and Jeeva is called as subtle body. All these three bodies are present in every human being including the human incarnation. The difference between human being and the human incarnation is due to the existence of extra unimaginable God in the human being as the fourth part.

The gross body is decomposed and merges with the constituents of this gross world. The subtle body should be maintained to serve the Lord in the upper world as per Ramanuja and Madhva. In the salvation of Shankara, the subtle body should be destroyed so that the basic inert energy (Atman) merges with the cosmic infinite inert energy (Karya Bramhan).

In the salvation of Shankara, the story of the realized human being is finished once for all. Generally, the devoted soul also is maintained by the eternality of the subtle body for the sake of guidance for souls here and there. Similarly, after the death of human incarnation, the subtle body may remain in the upper world as per the concept of Ramanuja and Madhva or the subtle body may disappear as per the concept of Shankara. In both cases, the fourth part, the unimaginable God is separated or may remain in the subtle body present in the upper world. The choice is left to the will of God.

In the case of a realized human being, the subtle body may be destroyed or may not be destroyed as per the will of the devoted soul. But, generally, the subtle body of the human incarnation always remains in the upper world for the sake of guidance to the souls in the upper world and the devotees of this world. Hence, in the case of human incarnation, there is no destruction of any part of the four parts. The human incarnation is totally eternal. Therefore, Baba can appear in the energetic body or even in the materialized body as per His will since the subtle body representing all the Divine qualities remains eternal. Therefore, nothing is lost in the case of a human incarnation. Hence, there is no need of trace of worry about the human incarnation.

posted by: surya (disciple of Swamiji)
www.universal-spirituality.org

And here it is in plain English:

The root to the word "BRAHMAN" originally meant "SPEECH", much the same as the "LOGOS" is said to mean "WORD," but both are in fact, the gathered genetic information of every universal body throughout all eternity. Both Brahman and Logos, should be seen as the essential divine reality of the universe the eternal spirit from which all being originates, and to which all must return.

You are body, soul and spirit. Your body is made up from the universal elements, and it is activated by the universal soul, which is the animating principle that pervades the entire universal body, activating everything within the universe, from the wave particles to the subatomic particles that make up the atoms which are the building blocks of the molecules from which the universal body is created. It is to the universal soul=LIFE-FORCE that all information = SPIRIT is gathered.

"YOU" the mind, are spirit. The body in which you, [The mind] are developing as the supreme head and controller of that body, is made up of the universal elements, which is activated by the soul [Animating life force] to which all the spirit [gathered information] of all your ancestors, human and prehuman, has been gathered in the evolution of whatever was in the beginning to become who you are, and that parental spirit dwells behind the veil to the inner most sanctuary of its earthly tabernacle=tent, which is your body.

If that body in which your parental spirit dwells, were born without the sense of sight, hearing, smell, taste, touch, etc, then no information whatsoever could be taken into the brain, and "YOU" who are spirit [Gathered information] in this particular life cycle, could never have begun to develop and the living body, in which the parental spirit dwells, would soon die, never having developed a personality = "CONTROLLING GODHEAD" to that body.

Then of the Thee in Me who works behind
The veil, I lifted up my hands to find
A lamp amid the Darkness; and I heard,
As from Without__ "The Me within Thee is blind.".... By Omar Khayyam.

When the body in which you [the mind] are being formed, dies, [This is the first death] and your body: "skin, flesh, muscle, blood, bone, brain matter etc, etc," has returned to the universal elements from which it was created, all that remains, is a shadow or rather, a facsimile of YOU = the mind=spirit, that has been imprinted into the universal life force=soul, from which it will be resurrected in the next cycle of universal activity. Unless of course, the information=spirit that is "YOU" is divided from the universal life-force, which is the second death. For the spirit=information that is you, can be divided from the universal soul----------"For the word of God is alive and active, sharper than any two edged sword. It cuts all the way through to the division of the soul and spirit."
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The term, "THE WORD OF GOD," pertains to the sense that is identical to the term "LOGOS" or the mold. The mold by which the whole sense of a thing is given. In other words, the very plan from the outset. In Sanskrit the similar meaning is given in the use of the word 'vach.' Vach means word. But in Sanskrit teachings of the Sanatana Dharma, vach has many levels. Including where the word is first considered as being in the mind as a thought, not as the spoken word or speech.

We humans, may express in our spoken words, all the information that has been gathered through the senses of our bodies in the creation of the invisible minds=spirits that are "WE". Our word is the expression of "Who we are." Your words are the spirit that is "YOU" the mind.

But the "LOGOS=WORD" and BRAHMAN=SPEECH" who are the gathered information=spirit of the aeons, express the information that has been gathered to the universal soul as another universal body, which is in the image and likeness to the previous universe, [The Resurrection] in which the eternal Spirit=mind has and can continue to evolve.

You should understand who I am but some of God's people who are enlightened with a little knowledge get too proud to admit they don't know the future.

And you seem to be one of them Brad. You are too proud to admit you were wrong about being shot. You have no clue about the future and you have no clue how you will die. You just like to pretend you know and you believe your own imaginations.
You pretend you know a lot about the future and what will happen but in reality you know nothing at all and are far too proud to admit that fact.
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1/26/2015 1:20:08 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/25/2015 8:56:48 PM, bornofgod wrote:
You're just as deceived as the Christians are. God doesn't need to come into His visible world to show us that He exists. We saints and prophets know Him very well because we all had to obey His commands until He fulfilled His purpose for each one of us.

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Prophet and Incarnation "

When a person says that He was sent by God as a messenger and that He has brought the message of the Lord, again the same problem appears. When God is giving the message to that person, nobody has seen it. That person is the single witness. Now the only alternative left in order to believe that the Lord Himself gave the knowledge, is that we have to test the knowledge.

Had we seen the transfer of the knowledge from God to that person with our eyes, we need not have tested that knowledge. It must definitely have been divine knowledge. If we have to believe a statement of that person without the simultaneous universal perception, then we have to believe even a fraud person who utters the same statement.

If you give us a piece of metal and say that is gold, since God gave it, we cannot believe it. Either we must have seen God giving it to you or we must analyze the metal. Moreover the knowledge is not like the piece of metal, which will not change by transfer. When a teacher explains a concept to somebody and asks him to deliver it to his students, it cannot be transferred as it is.

The transfer of knowledge consists of not only the concept but also the explanation. The concept might have been transferred but nobody other than that original teacher can give the same way of explanation of the concept by which the concept pierces into the heart. Therefore to propagate the divine knowledge, the Lord Himself comes down in a human form. Arjuna said the same in the Gita "Tvadanyah"" which means that except the Lord, nobody can preach the divine knowledge and clarify all spiritual doubts.
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1/26/2015 1:31:22 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/25/2015 10:53:35 PM, Skyangel wrote:
Life is the creator and destroyer of Life, Brad. No supernatural character creates or kills anything.
Mother nature created me and the grim reaper will take me away one day. Such is Life.
No one planned for you to get shot by any bullets Brad. You are not going to be assassinated by anyone. That is all just an illusion you created in your own mind.
You will most likely simply die a natural death of old age or some disease like most people do.

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Creation of Life (God " Scientist) ... Message of Shri Datta Swami

When the energy, which is another form of matter, only does a special function, that special function or special mechanism or special technology is called as life. Thus, life is the special work of energy. The scientist is unable to make the energy to do this special work. The scientist is unable to know this special mechanism. Thus life is a special know-how or the knowledge of special technology. Since knowledge is power, the life can be called as special power.

Let me give you an example. A cook prepared a curry. With the same materials another cook prepared the same curry but with additional taste. This special taste is the life. The taste is not the extra material, which is hidden in the hand of second cook. The taste is only a special knowledge or talent of the second cook. The first cook is scientist and the second cook is God. God does not reveal this one special technology to human beings because the human being always wants to become God due to his inherent egoism and jealousy. Thus God saved the human being from its fall. One should constantly remember this point and constantly surrender to God.

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1/26/2015 1:36:32 AM
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At 1/25/2015 11:16:33 PM, celestialtorahteacher wrote:
Surya, sun god in Iranian, if any swamis ever had it right India would lead the world in social problem solving. You have been deceived for thousands of years by false religion building its bricks of fables and stories and bad philosophy because of never finding God Most High and the Messiah which straightens spiritual knowledge back to the path to God--and not to oneself seeking personal escape from life's problems instead of losing self in service to others as is the Christian way.

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Is Sun God?

Swamiji: Veda has clearly told that the Sun is not God (Nedam tat). So, the Veda said that no item in the nature is the Lord (except human incarnation of God). Such natural objects are called representatives or models (Pratika).

When there is a great deal of similarity between a certain natural item and the Lord with respect to a certain quality, we say that the natural item and the Lord are one and the same (in a metaphorical sense). For example: When a girl is red in color, we say that the girl is red like a rose (similie). When the similarities of the girl & the rose are even more, we say that the girl is a rose (metaphor). Ofcourse it does not mean one can marry a rose flower instead of the girl. Only an ignorant person will actually think of the girl as a rose.

Similarly, Lord is compared with the sun, space, life etc. Lord moves like the sun & radiates knowledge as the sun radiates light. This does not mean that the sun is the Lord. Similarly, Lord pervades all over the world like space. This does not mean that the space is Lord. Lord maintains this world as the life maintains a living body. This does not mean that life is Lord.

When there is one similarity, the figure of speech used is a simile. E.g. the girl is red like a rose. When there are many similarities, the figure of speech is a metaphor. E.g. when the girl is red, bright and tender like a rose, we say that the girl is a rose. This does not mean that the girl is actually the rose or that the rose is actually the girl. Similarly, when there are many similarities between God and the Sun, we say that God is the Sun. Neither is God actually the Sun nor is the Sun actually God. Sage Vyasa, in his Brahma Sutras, spoke about these similes.

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1/26/2015 1:37:20 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/25/2015 9:33:04 PM, carriead20 wrote:
At 1/24/2015 1:41:36 AM, dattaswami wrote:
In every human being, there are three parts. The first one is Atman, which is the basic inert energy. The second one, Jeeva, is the bundle of qualities and feelings. The third part is the inert gross body. Atman is called causal body and Jeeva is called as subtle body. All these three bodies are present in every human being including the human incarnation. The difference between human being and the human incarnation is due to the existence of extra unimaginable God in the human being as the fourth part.

The gross body is decomposed and merges with the constituents of this gross world. The subtle body should be maintained to serve the Lord in the upper world as per Ramanuja and Madhva. In the salvation of Shankara, the subtle body should be destroyed so that the basic inert energy (Atman) merges with the cosmic infinite inert energy (Karya Bramhan).

In the salvation of Shankara, the story of the realized human being is finished once for all. Generally, the devoted soul also is maintained by the eternality of the subtle body for the sake of guidance for souls here and there. Similarly, after the death of human incarnation, the subtle body may remain in the upper world as per the concept of Ramanuja and Madhva or the subtle body may disappear as per the concept of Shankara. In both cases, the fourth part, the unimaginable God is separated or may remain in the subtle body present in the upper world. The choice is left to the will of God.

In the case of a realized human being, the subtle body may be destroyed or may not be destroyed as per the will of the devoted soul. But, generally, the subtle body of the human incarnation always remains in the upper world for the sake of guidance to the souls in the upper world and the devotees of this world. Hence, in the case of human incarnation, there is no destruction of any part of the four parts. The human incarnation is totally eternal. Therefore, Baba can appear in the energetic body or even in the materialized body as per His will since the subtle body representing all the Divine qualities remains eternal. Therefore, nothing is lost in the case of a human incarnation. Hence, there is no need of trace of worry about the human incarnation.

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Correction humans consist of Water (35 L), Carbon (20 kg), Ammonia (4 L), Lime (1.5 kg), Phosphorous (800 g), Salt (250 g), Saltpeter (100 g), Sulfur (80 g), Fluorine (7.5 g), Iron (5 g), Silicon (3 g) and trace amounts fifteen other elements.

All elements of the universe.
The tongue, the sharp two edged sword that divides the spirit from the soul.
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1/26/2015 2:08:07 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/26/2015 1:31:22 AM, dattaswami wrote:
At 1/25/2015 10:53:35 PM, Skyangel wrote:
Life is the creator and destroyer of Life, Brad. No supernatural character creates or kills anything.
Mother nature created me and the grim reaper will take me away one day. Such is Life.
No one planned for you to get shot by any bullets Brad. You are not going to be assassinated by anyone. That is all just an illusion you created in your own mind.
You will most likely simply die a natural death of old age or some disease like most people do.

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Creation of Life (God " Scientist) ... Message of Shri Datta Swami

When the energy, which is another form of matter, only does a special function, that special function or special mechanism or special technology is called as life. Thus, life is the special work of energy. The scientist is unable to make the energy to do this special work. The scientist is unable to know this special mechanism. Thus life is a special know-how or the knowledge of special technology. Since knowledge is power, the life can be called as special power.

The processes ( functions, works) of life are many. Energy cannot be created or destroyed according to scientists but it exists and mankind is definitely able to harness it and use it for good or evil purposes. One needs to know the qualities of something in order to understand how to use it properly. One needs to know how it works in order to make it work for them. All knowledge is available to those who search for it with all their heart and mind in order to find the truth. The idea that any person cannot know something that is knowable is absurd. Life is knowable. It is visible and observable.

Let me give you an example. A cook prepared a curry. With the same materials another cook prepared the same curry but with additional taste. This special taste is the life. The taste is not the extra material, which is hidden in the hand of second cook. The taste is only a special knowledge or talent of the second cook. The first cook is scientist and the second cook is God. God does not reveal this one special technology to human beings because the human being always wants to become God due to his inherent egoism and jealousy. Thus God saved the human being from its fall. One should constantly remember this point and constantly surrender to God.

posted by: surya (disciple of Swamiji)

God in my perception is not a cook of any kind. Comparing God to a cook implies God is an individual who is a creator of something else and is separated from his creation. In my perception God is all the ingredients in the curry as well as the knowledge to make the curry as well as the process of cooking the curry and is also the kitchen in which the curry is made.
Humans are all part of God just as every cell is part of your body. We are all a cell in the body of God and the body is one corporate cell.
To struggle to become like God is as futile as a cell struggling to become a whole body. A cell does not struggle to become what it becomes. It simply lets nature take its course and becomes what it is meant to be. The body then decides to keep it or shed it. It is all a natural automatic process. Nothing the cell can do can change the process. Surrendering to Gos is no different to surrendering to Life itself. It makes no difference what we do or what we believe, in reality we all end up dead in the grave and the energy within us which cannot be created or destroyed goes back to where it came from before were born.
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1/26/2015 3:36:34 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/26/2015 2:08:07 AM, Skyangel wrote:

The processes ( functions, works) of life are many. Energy cannot be created or destroyed according to scientists but it exists and mankind is definitely able to harness it and use it for good or evil purposes. One needs to know the qualities of something in order to understand how to use it properly. One needs to know how it works in order to make it work for them. All knowledge is available to those who search for it with all their heart and mind in order to find the truth. The idea that any person cannot know something that is knowable is absurd. Life is knowable. It is visible and observable.

God in my perception is not a cook of any kind. Comparing God to a cook implies God is an individual who is a creator of something else and is separated from his creation. In my perception God is all the ingredients in the curry as well as the knowledge to make the curry as well as the process of cooking the curry and is also the kitchen in which the curry is made.
Humans are all part of God just as every cell is part of your body. We are all a cell in the body of God and the body is one corporate cell.
To struggle to become like God is as futile as a cell struggling to become a whole body. A cell does not struggle to become what it becomes. It simply lets nature take its course and becomes what it is meant to be. The body then decides to keep it or shed it. It is all a natural automatic process. Nothing the cell can do can change the process. Surrendering to Gos is no different to surrendering to Life itself. It makes no difference what we do or what we believe, in reality we all end up dead in the grave and the energy within us which cannot be created or destroyed goes back to where it came from before were born.

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God is not made a cook. Your misunderstanding of the usage of simile is leading to such conclusion by you.

The taste is not the extra material but is hidden in the hand of expert cook. The taste is only a special knowledge or talent of the expert cook.

Similarly, life is the special work of energy. The scientist is unable to make the energy to do this special work.
This special knowledge/ technology of creation of life is known to God only.

God is the base of the world ...

Even though God is the base of the world, the world does not touch Him as the man touches the cot. It is possible in the case of a daydreamer. A city imagined by him exists in him and he is the base for that city. Let the city and the people in that city burn. The daydreamer is not burnt.

Like this the world is based on God but the changes in the world cannot affect. Either the changes in the inert objects or the changes in the human beings cannot affect God. Hence, any inert object or any human being (except incarnation) can neither be God nor does God exist in them. They are based on the God and they are not present in the God also.
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1/26/2015 3:43:27 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/26/2015 1:37:20 AM, Gentorev wrote:

Correction humans consist of Water (35 L), Carbon (20 kg), Ammonia (4 L), Lime (1.5 kg), Phosphorous (800 g), Salt (250 g), Saltpeter (100 g), Sulfur (80 g), Fluorine (7.5 g), Iron (5 g), Silicon (3 g) and trace amounts fifteen other elements.

All elements of the universe.

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You are talking about the composition of physical body or gross body only.

In addition to that, there is subtle body, which is bundle of qualities. Different human beings have different qualities and differ one from the other.

There is also Atman or pure awareness or causal body or soul. This Awareness pervades all over the human being except in nails and hair. These qualities are similar to waves and awareness is similar to water. Without water, you cannot have waves and so also, without awareness, qualities do not exist. Qualities are exhibited only if awareness exists. Ex: Coma patient is not exhibiting any qualities. He is having life energy but not awareness. A human being in awakened state exhibits qualities. He has both life energy and awareness.

Pure Awareness (Soul) requires existence of 2 items. One is inert energy that is obtained from digestion of food (Annat Purashah- Veda). Second is nervous system, which alone can convert this inert energy into awareness on functioning. So, awareness is dependent on these two items but God is independent & does not depend on any other item.

Qualitatively Atman is same in all the people. But it is discontinuous because if Atman is continuous, the inert things like stones etc. should also speak like human beings. Atman is located in living beings and pervades all over its body.
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1/26/2015 8:24:13 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/25/2015 11:26:41 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 1/25/2015 10:57:21 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 1/25/2015 10:53:35 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 1/25/2015 10:25:41 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 1/25/2015 10:20:17 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 1/25/2015 10:02:42 PM, bornofgod wrote:

You're going to die exactly the way our Creator planned it. He's the killer of ALL His people.

Life is the creator and destroyer of Life, Brad. No supernatural character creates or kills anything.
Mother nature created me and the grim reaper will take me away one day. Such is Life.
No one planned for you to get shot by any bullets Brad. You are not going to be assassinated by anyone. That is all just an illusion you created in your own mind.
You will most likely simply die a natural death of old age or some disease like most people do.

Our invisible Creator is the creator of Life. He planned a program called Eternal Life. Then He converted His thoughts into invisible vibrations. One wavelength of a vibration is one bit of information. We exist as characters in this information. Our bodies are only illusions that come from processed information.

LIFE is the creator of LIFE, Brad.
Life is eternal. It has always existed.
There is no supernatural character outside of Life which created Life. Life created Life in its own image and still does to this very day. That process is perfectly observable and understandable if you want to understand it.
Thoughts are in human minds and most likely in the minds of other living things even though they might express those thoughts differently to the way humans do.
If you want to believe Life is nothing but an illusion then your God is also nothing but an illusion which is all part of Life itself.
Information exists as part of Life. Is all that information an illusion too in your mind? If so any information you share is also nothing but an illusion and there is no reason for anyone to believe a word you say or write is factual or real or true because all you are sharing is just an illusion in your own mind.

You are hopelessly confused about how we were created. Life does NOT create life. Our Creator is the creator of every experience we all have of the past, present and future.
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1/26/2015 8:29:41 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/26/2015 1:20:08 AM, dattaswami wrote:
At 1/25/2015 8:56:48 PM, bornofgod wrote:
You're just as deceived as the Christians are. God doesn't need to come into His visible world to show us that He exists. We saints and prophets know Him very well because we all had to obey His commands until He fulfilled His purpose for each one of us.

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Prophet and Incarnation "

When a person says that He was sent by God as a messenger and that He has brought the message of the Lord, again the same problem appears. When God is giving the message to that person, nobody has seen it. That person is the single witness. Now the only alternative left in order to believe that the Lord Himself gave the knowledge, is that we have to test the knowledge.

Had we seen the transfer of the knowledge from God to that person with our eyes, we need not have tested that knowledge. It must definitely have been divine knowledge. If we have to believe a statement of that person without the simultaneous universal perception, then we have to believe even a fraud person who utters the same statement.

If you give us a piece of metal and say that is gold, since God gave it, we cannot believe it. Either we must have seen God giving it to you or we must analyze the metal. Moreover the knowledge is not like the piece of metal, which will not change by transfer. When a teacher explains a concept to somebody and asks him to deliver it to his students, it cannot be transferred as it is.

The transfer of knowledge consists of not only the concept but also the explanation. The concept might have been transferred but nobody other than that original teacher can give the same way of explanation of the concept by which the concept pierces into the heart. Therefore to propagate the divine knowledge, the Lord Himself comes down in a human form. Arjuna said the same in the Gita "Tvadanyah"" which means that except the Lord, nobody can preach the divine knowledge and clarify all spiritual doubts.

Faith isn't known by God's people but He did choose some believers to listen to our ( saints ) stories that God wanted them to hear. It's obvious you can't hear the voice of our invisible Lord.
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1/26/2015 10:49:53 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 1/26/2015 8:29:41 AM, bornofgod wrote:
Faith isn't known by God's people but He did choose some believers to listen to our ( saints ) stories that God wanted them to hear. It's obvious you can't hear the voice of our invisible Lord.

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Is it possible for God to come in Human form?

Swamiji:

How can one argue that the Lord cannot come down in the human form? If He is incapable of doing so, He cannot be omnipotent. One need not argue that though the Lord is capable, there is no necessity of such human form. You may not have that necessity. Are you the only human being on this whole earth? Have you taken the opinion of all the human beings to say like this? There are several devotees who belong to Nivrutti (path of liberation) and desire for the Lord in human form to see (Darsanam), to touch (Sparsanam), to hear the knowledge and clarify their doubts (Sambhashanam) and to live along with the Lord (Sahavasa) for achieving these three for a long time. The main purpose is preaching the divine knowledge and clarifying the doubts.

The statues or photos or energetic forms or space cannot preach the knowledge and that is against the universal observation (perception). Preaching of the knowledge by the human forms of the Lord like Krishna, Jesus etc is observed universally and accepted perception. Such universal observation is according to the rules of the nature. When something is possible through a simple way by following the rules of the nature, is it not foolish to do the same simple thing in the complicated way violating the rules of the nature?

When water is available in plenty from the tap, what is the necessity of producing water by forcing Hydrogen and Oxygen to react with the help of an electric arc? To show the production of the water by this reaction, this experiment can be performed once but not every time whenever water is required. To show the superpower of the Lord a statue or a photo or the energetic form or even formless space may talk once.

But to preach the spiritual knowledge continuously, the Lord need not talk continuously through statues or photos or energetic forms or space. Some devotee might have experienced such superpower in some place and in sometime. Such experience is not supported by simultaneous universal observation.

When you are seeing the moon in the sky, others are also observing the same moon simultaneously. This is required to authorize any experience. When this authorization is absent, your experience may be true or might have been due to some psychological disorder. The existence of such psychic experience is also observed in this world. Therefore we cannot isolate the possibility of these two cases in your experience

Therefore there is a necessity for the human form of the Lord and since the Lord is omnipotent, He is coming down in the human form. There cannot be any further argument on this point.

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