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Is Secular Humanism a Religion?

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6/30/2010 12:48:42 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
I would say that Secular Humanism is a religion because it's a philosophy put to practice and a way of life. People (atheists/agnostics) seem to be afraid to label it a religion because of the negative connatations they attach to it. But isn't religion just a philosophy put to practice? It's not faith because that's an Abrahamic thing only.

If Confucianism is considered a religion, then so should Secular Humanism.
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6/30/2010 12:50:58 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/30/2010 12:49:42 PM, FREEDO wrote:
No.

I agree with Geo on this one. Also, Buddhism. If they consider Buddhism a religion then so is Secular Humanism.
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6/30/2010 12:51:56 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/30/2010 12:50:58 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 6/30/2010 12:49:42 PM, FREEDO wrote:
No.

I agree with Geo on this one. Also, Buddhism. If they consider Buddhism a religion then so is Secular Humanism.

Buddhism requires faith. Secular Humanism does not.
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6/30/2010 12:52:52 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Agree with Geo when he says that it is a philosophy put into practice, i think that fulfills one of the definitions/requirements of religion.
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6/30/2010 12:54:01 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/30/2010 12:52:52 PM, innomen wrote:
Agree with Geo when he says that it is a philosophy put into practice, i think that fulfills one of the definitions/requirements of religion.

So putting a philosophy into practice automatically makes it a religion?
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6/30/2010 12:54:04 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/30/2010 12:51:56 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 6/30/2010 12:50:58 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 6/30/2010 12:49:42 PM, FREEDO wrote:
No.

I agree with Geo on this one. Also, Buddhism. If they consider Buddhism a religion then so is Secular Humanism.

Buddhism requires faith. Secular Humanism does not.

No it doesn't. Buddhism is a philosophy. Geo is a Buddhist and he's anti-theist.
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6/30/2010 12:55:09 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/30/2010 12:54:04 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 6/30/2010 12:51:56 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 6/30/2010 12:50:58 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 6/30/2010 12:49:42 PM, FREEDO wrote:
No.

I agree with Geo on this one. Also, Buddhism. If they consider Buddhism a religion then so is Secular Humanism.

Buddhism requires faith. Secular Humanism does not.

No it doesn't. Buddhism is a philosophy. Geo is a Buddhist and he's anti-theist.

Some Buddhism is only a philosophy. But most of them believe in things like reincarnation. I don't know about Geo.
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6/30/2010 12:56:04 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/30/2010 12:55:09 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 6/30/2010 12:54:04 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 6/30/2010 12:51:56 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 6/30/2010 12:50:58 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 6/30/2010 12:49:42 PM, FREEDO wrote:
No.

I agree with Geo on this one. Also, Buddhism. If they consider Buddhism a religion then so is Secular Humanism.

Buddhism requires faith. Secular Humanism does not.

No it doesn't. Buddhism is a philosophy. Geo is a Buddhist and he's anti-theist.

Some Buddhism is only a philosophy. But most of them believe in things like reincarnation. I don't know about Geo.

Belief in reincarnation is an innovation in Buddhist belief I'm pretty sure.
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6/30/2010 12:56:20 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/30/2010 12:54:01 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 6/30/2010 12:52:52 PM, innomen wrote:
Agree with Geo when he says that it is a philosophy put into practice, i think that fulfills one of the definitions/requirements of religion.

So putting a philosophy into practice automatically makes it a religion?

Yeah.
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6/30/2010 12:57:19 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/30/2010 12:56:20 PM, innomen wrote:
At 6/30/2010 12:54:01 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 6/30/2010 12:52:52 PM, innomen wrote:
Agree with Geo when he says that it is a philosophy put into practice, i think that fulfills one of the definitions/requirements of religion.

So putting a philosophy into practice automatically makes it a religion?

Yeah.

Lol, no, just no.
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6/30/2010 12:58:29 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/30/2010 12:57:19 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 6/30/2010 12:56:20 PM, innomen wrote:
At 6/30/2010 12:54:01 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 6/30/2010 12:52:52 PM, innomen wrote:
Agree with Geo when he says that it is a philosophy put into practice, i think that fulfills one of the definitions/requirements of religion.

So putting a philosophy into practice automatically makes it a religion?

Yeah.

Lol, no, just no.

What if you practice the philosphy in your life so well, and so much that you might even say that you do it religiously.
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6/30/2010 12:59:09 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/30/2010 12:56:04 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 6/30/2010 12:55:09 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 6/30/2010 12:54:04 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 6/30/2010 12:51:56 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 6/30/2010 12:50:58 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 6/30/2010 12:49:42 PM, FREEDO wrote:
No.

I agree with Geo on this one. Also, Buddhism. If they consider Buddhism a religion then so is Secular Humanism.

Buddhism requires faith. Secular Humanism does not.

No it doesn't. Buddhism is a philosophy. Geo is a Buddhist and he's anti-theist.

Some Buddhism is only a philosophy. But most of them believe in things like reincarnation. I don't know about Geo.

Belief in reincarnation is an innovation in Buddhist belief I'm pretty sure.

Lets ask Geo then. I know he believes in collective consciousness. That requires faith.
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6/30/2010 12:59:57 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/30/2010 12:58:29 PM, innomen wrote:
At 6/30/2010 12:57:19 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 6/30/2010 12:56:20 PM, innomen wrote:
At 6/30/2010 12:54:01 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 6/30/2010 12:52:52 PM, innomen wrote:
Agree with Geo when he says that it is a philosophy put into practice, i think that fulfills one of the definitions/requirements of religion.

So putting a philosophy into practice automatically makes it a religion?

Yeah.

Lol, no, just no.

What if you practice the philosphy in your life so well, and so much that you might even say that you do it religiously.

It would be a figure of speech. Faith is required for it to be religious.
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6/30/2010 1:01:49 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/30/2010 12:59:57 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 6/30/2010 12:58:29 PM, innomen wrote:
At 6/30/2010 12:57:19 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 6/30/2010 12:56:20 PM, innomen wrote:
At 6/30/2010 12:54:01 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 6/30/2010 12:52:52 PM, innomen wrote:
Agree with Geo when he says that it is a philosophy put into practice, i think that fulfills one of the definitions/requirements of religion.

So putting a philosophy into practice automatically makes it a religion?

Yeah.

Lol, no, just no.

What if you practice the philosphy in your life so well, and so much that you might even say that you do it religiously.

It would be a figure of speech. Faith is required for it to be religious.

You sure? I'm guessing there are lots of religious people that have no faith.
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6/30/2010 1:02:42 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/30/2010 1:01:49 PM, innomen wrote:
At 6/30/2010 12:59:57 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 6/30/2010 12:58:29 PM, innomen wrote:
At 6/30/2010 12:57:19 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 6/30/2010 12:56:20 PM, innomen wrote:
At 6/30/2010 12:54:01 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 6/30/2010 12:52:52 PM, innomen wrote:
Agree with Geo when he says that it is a philosophy put into practice, i think that fulfills one of the definitions/requirements of religion.

So putting a philosophy into practice automatically makes it a religion?

Yeah.

Lol, no, just no.

What if you practice the philosphy in your life so well, and so much that you might even say that you do it religiously.

It would be a figure of speech. Faith is required for it to be religious.

You sure? I'm guessing there are lots of religious people that have no faith.

That's a pretty stupid guess.
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6/30/2010 1:03:37 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Anti-faith is actually apart of the Secular Humanist philosophy. So you could say it's an anti-religion.
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6/30/2010 1:04:37 PM
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At 6/30/2010 1:03:37 PM, FREEDO wrote:
Anti-faith is actually apart of the Secular Humanist philosophy. So you could say it's an anti-religion.

Anti-faith =/= Anti-theist.
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6/30/2010 1:05:28 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/30/2010 1:02:42 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 6/30/2010 1:01:49 PM, innomen wrote:
At 6/30/2010 12:59:57 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 6/30/2010 12:58:29 PM, innomen wrote:
At 6/30/2010 12:57:19 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 6/30/2010 12:56:20 PM, innomen wrote:
At 6/30/2010 12:54:01 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 6/30/2010 12:52:52 PM, innomen wrote:
Agree with Geo when he says that it is a philosophy put into practice, i think that fulfills one of the definitions/requirements of religion.

So putting a philosophy into practice automatically makes it a religion?

Yeah.

Lol, no, just no.

What if you practice the philosphy in your life so well, and so much that you might even say that you do it religiously.

It would be a figure of speech. Faith is required for it to be religious.

You sure? I'm guessing there are lots of religious people that have no faith.

That's a pretty stupid guess.

Oh you are so wrong. There are plenty of people that go to church each week do all their religious stuff, and have no faith at all. My father was one of them.
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6/30/2010 1:05:46 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/30/2010 1:04:37 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 6/30/2010 1:03:37 PM, FREEDO wrote:
Anti-faith is actually apart of the Secular Humanist philosophy. So you could say it's an anti-religion.

Anti-faith =/= Anti-theist.

Ok...I agree...what does that have to with anything...?
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6/30/2010 1:08:10 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/30/2010 1:05:28 PM, innomen wrote:
At 6/30/2010 1:02:42 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 6/30/2010 1:01:49 PM, innomen wrote:
At 6/30/2010 12:59:57 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 6/30/2010 12:58:29 PM, innomen wrote:
At 6/30/2010 12:57:19 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 6/30/2010 12:56:20 PM, innomen wrote:
At 6/30/2010 12:54:01 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 6/30/2010 12:52:52 PM, innomen wrote:
Agree with Geo when he says that it is a philosophy put into practice, i think that fulfills one of the definitions/requirements of religion.

So putting a philosophy into practice automatically makes it a religion?

Yeah.

Lol, no, just no.

What if you practice the philosphy in your life so well, and so much that you might even say that you do it religiously.

It would be a figure of speech. Faith is required for it to be religious.

You sure? I'm guessing there are lots of religious people that have no faith.

That's a pretty stupid guess.

Oh you are so wrong. There are plenty of people that go to church each week do all their religious stuff, and have no faith at all. My father was one of them.

If you're saying they had no faith in the religion than they don't really believe in it. That's a given. It doesn't mean they can't practice, sure. I'm very anti-theist but I pretend to be a Christian so I can get along with people in this very Christian area.
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6/30/2010 1:13:02 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/30/2010 1:08:10 PM, FREEDO wrote:

Oh you are so wrong. There are plenty of people that go to church each week do all their religious stuff, and have no faith at all. My father was one of them.

If you're saying they had no faith in the religion than they don't really believe in it. That's a given. It doesn't mean they can't practice, sure. I'm very anti-theist but I pretend to be a Christian so I can get along with people in this very Christian area.

That's pretty awful actually. I think that there are two ways of looking at religion, one is your way of a structured faith. Another is a ritualistic following of a structured belief system. Since i tend to really separate out my faith from my religion for reasons of sanity, i prefer to look at the latter interpretation of what religion is.
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6/30/2010 1:15:04 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
@Freedo

There is no reincarnation in Buddhism.

[Sati:] Yes, venerable sir, as I know the Teaching of the Blessed One, this consciousness transmigrates through existenses.

[The Buddha]: Foolish man, to whom do you know me having preached this Teaching. Haven't I told, in various ways that consciousness is dependently arisen. Without a cause, there is no arising of consciousness. Yet, you foolish man, because of your wrong grasp, blame me, destroy yourself, and accumulate much demerit.

"Only through ignorance and delusion do men indulge in the dream that their souls are separate and self-existent entities." - Buddha

"Our thinking is gone, but our thoughts continue. Reasoning ceases, but knowledge remains."

"Since, then, O bhikkhus, there is no self, there can not be any afterlife of a self. Therefore abandon all thought of self." - Buddha
"We must raise the standard of the Old, free, decentralized, and strictly limited Republic."
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6/30/2010 1:18:38 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/30/2010 1:15:04 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
@Freedo

There is no reincarnation in Buddhism.

[Sati:] Yes, venerable sir, as I know the Teaching of the Blessed One, this consciousness transmigrates through existenses.

[The Buddha]: Foolish man, to whom do you know me having preached this Teaching. Haven't I told, in various ways that consciousness is dependently arisen. Without a cause, there is no arising of consciousness. Yet, you foolish man, because of your wrong grasp, blame me, destroy yourself, and accumulate much demerit.


"Only through ignorance and delusion do men indulge in the dream that their souls are separate and self-existent entities." - Buddha

"Our thinking is gone, but our thoughts continue. Reasoning ceases, but knowledge remains."

"Since, then, O bhikkhus, there is no self, there can not be any afterlife of a self. Therefore abandon all thought of self." - Buddha

Ok, thanks for clearing that up. There is still the matter of collective consciousness though.
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6/30/2010 1:19:12 PM
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Freedo, there is no faith in Buddhism. Experience and insight meditation is the only means to knowledge. He was an empiricist.

And no, i dont believe in a collective conscious. I dont think I've ever even used the word. Carl Jung did though.
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6/30/2010 1:20:27 PM
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At 6/30/2010 1:19:12 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
Freedo, there is no faith in Buddhism. Experience and insight meditation is the only means to knowledge. He was an empiricist.

And no, i dont believe in a collective conscious. I dont think I've ever even used the word. Carl Jung did though.

WWWTTTFFF??? Did you have a black-out or something?
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6/30/2010 1:24:00 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 6/30/2010 1:20:27 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 6/30/2010 1:19:12 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
Freedo, there is no faith in Buddhism. Experience and insight meditation is the only means to knowledge. He was an empiricist.

And no, i dont believe in a collective conscious. I dont think I've ever even used the word. Carl Jung did though.

WWWTTTFFF??? Did you have a black-out or something?

Maybe your confusing terms then. I believed in a conscious Universe, but not a collective consciousness.

Plus, Buddhism doesn't assert a conscious Universe.
"We must raise the standard of the Old, free, decentralized, and strictly limited Republic."
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"The worst thing that can happen to a good cause is, not to be skillfully attacked, but to be ineptly defended."
-- Frederic Bastiat
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6/30/2010 1:25:14 PM
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At 6/30/2010 1:24:00 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 6/30/2010 1:20:27 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 6/30/2010 1:19:12 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
Freedo, there is no faith in Buddhism. Experience and insight meditation is the only means to knowledge. He was an empiricist.

And no, i dont believe in a collective conscious. I dont think I've ever even used the word. Carl Jung did though.

WWWTTTFFF??? Did you have a black-out or something?

Maybe your confusing terms then. I believed in a conscious Universe, but not a collective consciousness.

Plus, Buddhism doesn't assert a conscious Universe.

Don't you remember that hugely drawn out bickering we had over whether I was an individual conscious entity or not?
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6/30/2010 1:28:35 PM
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That had nothing to do with collective conscious. I never even used those words.

We were discussing whether you were an individual or not.
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