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Lupo
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2/2/2015 7:32:18 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
Why people still think that atheism is a religion?
Atheism is not believing in God, has no dogmas or rules.
You do not need to be a scientist or something.
YassineB
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2/2/2015 7:38:27 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/2/2015 7:32:18 AM, Lupo wrote:
Why people still think that atheism is a religion?
Atheism is not believing in God, has no dogmas or rules.
You do not need to be a scientist or something.

- Depends on how you define Religion.
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2/2/2015 7:48:58 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/2/2015 7:32:18 AM, Lupo wrote:
Why people still think that atheism is a religion?
Atheism is not believing in God, has no dogmas or rules.
You do not need to be a scientist or something.

Some individuals believe that atheism is a religion because (1) they can't imagine living without some form of religion or (2) they are trying to shift the burden of proof.

If atheism is a religion then somebody should be able to tell me what it is that all atheists believe. They can't because there isn't anything.
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2/2/2015 7:52:12 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/2/2015 7:38:27 AM, YassineB wrote:
At 2/2/2015 7:32:18 AM, Lupo wrote:
Why people still think that atheism is a religion?
Atheism is not believing in God, has no dogmas or rules.
You do not need to be a scientist or something.

- Depends on how you define Religion.

True; if you define it incorrectly then atheism is a religion. If you don't, it isn't.
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2/2/2015 7:59:37 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/2/2015 7:57:10 AM, JJ50 wrote:
Atheism is mere unbelief in any deity, end of story!

And theism is belief in a deity. Both are religions.
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2/2/2015 8:00:59 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/2/2015 7:32:18 AM, Lupo wrote:
Why people still think that atheism is a religion?
Atheism is not believing in God, has no dogmas or rules.
You do not need to be a scientist or something.

It's a religion. A lot of anthropologists use the term religion and culture interchangeabley, so every individual is technically in a religion.
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2/2/2015 8:03:38 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/2/2015 7:59:37 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 2/2/2015 7:57:10 AM, JJ50 wrote:
Atheism is mere unbelief in any deity, end of story!

And theism is belief in a deity. Both are religions.

No. Theism isn't a synonym for religious. You can be religious without being a theist and you can be a theist without following a religion.
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2/2/2015 8:10:17 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/2/2015 8:03:38 AM, Graincruncher wrote:
At 2/2/2015 7:59:37 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 2/2/2015 7:57:10 AM, JJ50 wrote:
Atheism is mere unbelief in any deity, end of story!

And theism is belief in a deity. Both are religions.

No. Theism isn't a synonym for religious. You can be religious without being a theist and you can be a theist without following a religion.

Sorry to break it to you but all theists and atheists follow a religion. Some anthropologists use the term religion and culture almost interchangably, so there really is no escaping it.
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2/2/2015 8:12:15 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/2/2015 8:10:17 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 2/2/2015 8:03:38 AM, Graincruncher wrote:
At 2/2/2015 7:59:37 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 2/2/2015 7:57:10 AM, JJ50 wrote:
Atheism is mere unbelief in any deity, end of story!

And theism is belief in a deity. Both are religions.

No. Theism isn't a synonym for religious. You can be religious without being a theist and you can be a theist without following a religion.

Sorry to break it to you but all theists and atheists follow a religion. Some anthropologists use the term religion and culture almost interchangably, so there really is no escaping it.

I hate to break it to you, but that's gibberish.
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2/2/2015 8:12:39 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/2/2015 7:59:37 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 2/2/2015 7:57:10 AM, JJ50 wrote:
Atheism is mere unbelief in any deity, end of story!

And theism is belief in a deity. Both are religions.

Well I disagree. A theist worships a deity. If you are a non believer you don't have a deity to worship.
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2/2/2015 8:13:54 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/2/2015 8:12:15 AM, Graincruncher wrote:
At 2/2/2015 8:10:17 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 2/2/2015 8:03:38 AM, Graincruncher wrote:
At 2/2/2015 7:59:37 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 2/2/2015 7:57:10 AM, JJ50 wrote:
Atheism is mere unbelief in any deity, end of story!

And theism is belief in a deity. Both are religions.

No. Theism isn't a synonym for religious. You can be religious without being a theist and you can be a theist without following a religion.

Sorry to break it to you but all theists and atheists follow a religion. Some anthropologists use the term religion and culture almost interchangably, so there really is no escaping it.

I hate to break it to you, but that's gibberish.

Why would you say that? That isn't even a good rebuttal. Are you saying that I'm wrong about some anthropologists using the term religion and culture interchangably ?
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2/2/2015 8:14:51 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/2/2015 8:12:39 AM, JJ50 wrote:
At 2/2/2015 7:59:37 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 2/2/2015 7:57:10 AM, JJ50 wrote:
Atheism is mere unbelief in any deity, end of story!

And theism is belief in a deity. Both are religions.

Well I disagree. A theist worships a deity. If you are a non believer you don't have a deity to worship.

What does belief or worship of a deity have to do with religion?
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2/2/2015 8:14:58 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/2/2015 8:03:38 AM, Graincruncher wrote:
At 2/2/2015 7:59:37 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 2/2/2015 7:57:10 AM, JJ50 wrote:
Atheism is mere unbelief in any deity, end of story!

And theism is belief in a deity. Both are religions.

No. Theism isn't a synonym for religious. You can be religious without being a theist and you can be a theist without following a religion.

I'm having a hard time with the first part of your second sentence... How is one religious without being a theist?
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2/2/2015 8:16:23 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/2/2015 8:14:51 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 2/2/2015 8:12:39 AM, JJ50 wrote:
At 2/2/2015 7:59:37 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 2/2/2015 7:57:10 AM, JJ50 wrote:
Atheism is mere unbelief in any deity, end of story!

And theism is belief in a deity. Both are religions.

Well I disagree. A theist worships a deity. If you are a non believer you don't have a deity to worship.

What does belief or worship of a deity have to do with religion?

That is what religion is all about!
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2/2/2015 8:17:06 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/2/2015 8:14:58 AM, Sterling.Dragon wrote:
At 2/2/2015 8:03:38 AM, Graincruncher wrote:
At 2/2/2015 7:59:37 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 2/2/2015 7:57:10 AM, JJ50 wrote:
Atheism is mere unbelief in any deity, end of story!

And theism is belief in a deity. Both are religions.

No. Theism isn't a synonym for religious. You can be religious without being a theist and you can be a theist without following a religion.

I'm having a hard time with the first part of your second sentence... How is one religious without being a theist?

1. Is because anthropologists use the term interchangably with religious but also because certain atheistic religions exist such as Buddhism
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2/2/2015 8:18:14 AM
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At 2/2/2015 8:16:23 AM, JJ50 wrote:
At 2/2/2015 8:14:51 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 2/2/2015 8:12:39 AM, JJ50 wrote:
At 2/2/2015 7:59:37 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 2/2/2015 7:57:10 AM, JJ50 wrote:
Atheism is mere unbelief in any deity, end of story!

And theism is belief in a deity. Both are religions.

Well I disagree. A theist worships a deity. If you are a non believer you don't have a deity to worship.

What does belief or worship of a deity have to do with religion?

That is what religion is all about!

No it isn't even if I don't go with the definition anthropology uses which widens what the term means. Buddhism has no god and neither does Shinto.
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2/2/2015 8:20:17 AM
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At 2/2/2015 8:17:06 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 2/2/2015 8:14:58 AM, Sterling.Dragon wrote:
At 2/2/2015 8:03:38 AM, Graincruncher wrote:
At 2/2/2015 7:59:37 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 2/2/2015 7:57:10 AM, JJ50 wrote:
Atheism is mere unbelief in any deity, end of story!

And theism is belief in a deity. Both are religions.

No. Theism isn't a synonym for religious. You can be religious without being a theist and you can be a theist without following a religion.

I'm having a hard time with the first part of your second sentence... How is one religious without being a theist?

1. Is because anthropologists use the term interchangably with religious but also because certain atheistic religions exist such as Buddhism

What anthropologists do with terminology does not necessarily determine a change in definition for the term "religious." I am not aware of a definition of "religion" that does not involve some form of deity.

Buddhism, as far as I have come to understand, is more of a philosophy, than a religion. Though there are multiple forms of Buddhism, the only branches that I would consider a religion would be those that involve a deity...
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2/2/2015 9:33:50 AM
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2/2/2015 9:40:24 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/2/2015 7:32:18 AM, Lupo wrote:
Why people still think that atheism is a religion?
Atheism is not believing in God, has no dogmas or rules.
You do not need to be a scientist or something.

Of course it isn't. Religion, by its definition as "the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods," cannot include atheism.
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2/2/2015 11:10:58 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/2/2015 7:52:12 AM, Graincruncher wrote:
At 2/2/2015 7:38:27 AM, YassineB wrote:
At 2/2/2015 7:32:18 AM, Lupo wrote:
Why people still think that atheism is a religion?
Atheism is not believing in God, has no dogmas or rules.
You do not need to be a scientist or something.

- Depends on how you define Religion.

True; if you define it incorrectly then atheism is a religion. If you don't, it isn't.

- You're assuming there is a unique definition of Religion, which is obviously not the case.
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2/2/2015 11:38:57 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/2/2015 11:10:58 AM, YassineB wrote:
At 2/2/2015 7:52:12 AM, Graincruncher wrote:
At 2/2/2015 7:38:27 AM, YassineB wrote:
At 2/2/2015 7:32:18 AM, Lupo wrote:
Why people still think that atheism is a religion?
Atheism is not believing in God, has no dogmas or rules.
You do not need to be a scientist or something.

- Depends on how you define Religion.

True; if you define it incorrectly then atheism is a religion. If you don't, it isn't.

- You're assuming there is a unique definition of Religion, which is obviously not the case.

If you don't use the commun definition, any word can mening anything.
I was talking about dogmas and rules that define a group of people with predefined conceptions, habits and rituals. Where each member agrees with the same general idea.

A lot of people think that all atheist belive in aliens, string theory and etc.
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2/2/2015 11:53:05 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/2/2015 8:13:54 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 2/2/2015 8:12:15 AM, Graincruncher wrote:
At 2/2/2015 8:10:17 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 2/2/2015 8:03:38 AM, Graincruncher wrote:
At 2/2/2015 7:59:37 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 2/2/2015 7:57:10 AM, JJ50 wrote:
Atheism is mere unbelief in any deity, end of story!

And theism is belief in a deity. Both are religions.

No. Theism isn't a synonym for religious. You can be religious without being a theist and you can be a theist without following a religion.

Sorry to break it to you but all theists and atheists follow a religion. Some anthropologists use the term religion and culture almost interchangably, so there really is no escaping it.

I hate to break it to you, but that's gibberish.

Why would you say that? That isn't even a good rebuttal. Are you saying that I'm wrong about some anthropologists using the term religion and culture interchangably ?

I'm saying that you're misunderstanding how they do so: culture is to religion as mammal is to do. Not all cultural practices are religious and not all cultures are religions, but all relgious practices are cultural.
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2/2/2015 11:56:36 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/2/2015 11:53:05 AM, Graincruncher wrote:
At 2/2/2015 8:13:54 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 2/2/2015 8:12:15 AM, Graincruncher wrote:
At 2/2/2015 8:10:17 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 2/2/2015 8:03:38 AM, Graincruncher wrote:
At 2/2/2015 7:59:37 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 2/2/2015 7:57:10 AM, JJ50 wrote:
Atheism is mere unbelief in any deity, end of story!

And theism is belief in a deity. Both are religions.

No. Theism isn't a synonym for religious. You can be religious without being a theist and you can be a theist without following a religion.

Sorry to break it to you but all theists and atheists follow a religion. Some anthropologists use the term religion and culture almost interchangably, so there really is no escaping it.

I hate to break it to you, but that's gibberish.

Why would you say that? That isn't even a good rebuttal. Are you saying that I'm wrong about some anthropologists using the term religion and culture interchangably ?

I'm saying that you're misunderstanding how they do so: culture is to religion as mammal is to do. Not all cultural practices are religious and not all cultures are religions, but all relgious practices are cultural.

No, no you're misunderstanding that. You know how we eat with forks? Well eating with forks is part of our culture and since a lot of anthropologists use the terms interchangably, you could say eating with a fork is your religion.
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2/2/2015 11:56:56 AM
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At 2/2/2015 8:14:58 AM, Sterling.Dragon wrote:
At 2/2/2015 8:03:38 AM, Graincruncher wrote:
At 2/2/2015 7:59:37 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 2/2/2015 7:57:10 AM, JJ50 wrote:
Atheism is mere unbelief in any deity, end of story!

And theism is belief in a deity. Both are religions.

No. Theism isn't a synonym for religious. You can be religious without being a theist and you can be a theist without following a religion.

I'm having a hard time with the first part of your second sentence... How is one religious without being a theist?

Easily - there are plenty of non-theistic religious people. Buddhism - regardless of your personal opinions - is one. I believe Shinto is as well, as are some animist, plus functionally most pantheists and panenthiests. Kierkegaard was famously religious but atheist and Wittgenstein was a proponent of religion but didn't believe in the literal existence of a god.
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2/2/2015 11:59:10 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/2/2015 11:56:36 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 2/2/2015 11:53:05 AM, Graincruncher wrote:
At 2/2/2015 8:13:54 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 2/2/2015 8:12:15 AM, Graincruncher wrote:
At 2/2/2015 8:10:17 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 2/2/2015 8:03:38 AM, Graincruncher wrote:
At 2/2/2015 7:59:37 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 2/2/2015 7:57:10 AM, JJ50 wrote:
Atheism is mere unbelief in any deity, end of story!

And theism is belief in a deity. Both are religions.

No. Theism isn't a synonym for religious. You can be religious without being a theist and you can be a theist without following a religion.

Sorry to break it to you but all theists and atheists follow a religion. Some anthropologists use the term religion and culture almost interchangably, so there really is no escaping it.

I hate to break it to you, but that's gibberish.

Why would you say that? That isn't even a good rebuttal. Are you saying that I'm wrong about some anthropologists using the term religion and culture interchangably ?

I'm saying that you're misunderstanding how they do so: culture is to religion as mammal is to do. Not all cultural practices are religious and not all cultures are religions, but all relgious practices are cultural.

No, no you're misunderstanding that. You know how we eat with forks? Well eating with forks is part of our culture and since a lot of anthropologists use the terms interchangably, you could say eating with a fork is your religion.

If you honestly think that then you are too stupid for words. They are not synonymous and it would take about 5 seconds of even modest consideration to see how it is nonsense to suggest they are.
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2/2/2015 12:05:11 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/2/2015 11:59:10 AM, Graincruncher wrote:
At 2/2/2015 11:56:36 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 2/2/2015 11:53:05 AM, Graincruncher wrote:
At 2/2/2015 8:13:54 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 2/2/2015 8:12:15 AM, Graincruncher wrote:
At 2/2/2015 8:10:17 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 2/2/2015 8:03:38 AM, Graincruncher wrote:
At 2/2/2015 7:59:37 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 2/2/2015 7:57:10 AM, JJ50 wrote:
Atheism is mere unbelief in any deity, end of story!

And theism is belief in a deity. Both are religions.

No. Theism isn't a synonym for religious. You can be religious without being a theist and you can be a theist without following a religion.

Sorry to break it to you but all theists and atheists follow a religion. Some anthropologists use the term religion and culture almost interchangably, so there really is no escaping it.

I hate to break it to you, but that's gibberish.

Why would you say that? That isn't even a good rebuttal. Are you saying that I'm wrong about some anthropologists using the term religion and culture interchangably ?

I'm saying that you're misunderstanding how they do so: culture is to religion as mammal is to do. Not all cultural practices are religious and not all cultures are religions, but all relgious practices are cultural.

No, no you're misunderstanding that. You know how we eat with forks? Well eating with forks is part of our culture and since a lot of anthropologists use the terms interchangably, you could say eating with a fork is your religion.

If you honestly think that then you are too stupid for words. They are not synonymous and it would take about 5 seconds of even modest consideration to see how it is nonsense to suggest they are.

A lot of anthropologists use them interchangably. You have to look at how certain segments of anthropology define the 2 terms. I'd appreciate If you did a simple Google search to confirm this, instead of calling me stupid. If you'd like, I'm willing to debate you on this.
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2/2/2015 12:15:41 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/2/2015 7:32:18 AM, Lupo wrote:
Why people still think that atheism is a religion?
Atheism is not believing in God, has no dogmas or rules.
You do not need to be a scientist or something.

Religion can't be described in one sentence. Religion was started when God put thoughts into a man's mind without man realizing that these thoughts came from God. These thoughts forced man to look up into the stars and connect those white dots with imaginary lines to get building shapes to start building their false gods with their human hands. They didn't understand that God was teaching them how to build things until we had the modern technology today to use as analogies to learn how God created us as information first, then processed into illusions to give us a make-believe world to live in.
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2/2/2015 12:47:57 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/2/2015 11:56:56 AM, Graincruncher wrote:
At 2/2/2015 8:14:58 AM, Sterling.Dragon wrote:
At 2/2/2015 8:03:38 AM, Graincruncher wrote:
At 2/2/2015 7:59:37 AM, Wylted wrote:
At 2/2/2015 7:57:10 AM, JJ50 wrote:
Atheism is mere unbelief in any deity, end of story!

And theism is belief in a deity. Both are religions.

No. Theism isn't a synonym for religious. You can be religious without being a theist and you can be a theist without following a religion.

I'm having a hard time with the first part of your second sentence... How is one religious without being a theist?

Easily - there are plenty of non-theistic religious people. Buddhism - regardless of your personal opinions - is one. I believe Shinto is as well, as are some animist, plus functionally most pantheists and panenthiests. Kierkegaard was famously religious but atheist and Wittgenstein was a proponent of religion but didn't believe in the literal existence of a god.

I can see that. I guess I have just always associated religion with the worship of a deity. However, Buddhism falls in both categories, as I understand, depending on which version it is to which one subscribes. I was aware of Wittgenstein, though Kierkegaard was a surprise to me. I need to go perform a bit of research, there, I suppose. Thanks for the clarification.
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2/2/2015 1:17:55 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/2/2015 7:38:27 AM, YassineB wrote:
At 2/2/2015 7:32:18 AM, Lupo wrote:
Why people still think that atheism is a religion?
Atheism is not believing in God, has no dogmas or rules.
You do not need to be a scientist or something.

- Depends on how you define Religion.

Sure, but outside of the law the only definition for "religion" that would encompass atheism also includes dedication to a hobby or a particular sports team.