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2/3/2015 8:28:50 AM
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At 2/3/2015 8:24:50 AM, Benshapiro wrote:
Why do you believe in God?

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2/3/2015 8:36:57 AM
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At 2/3/2015 8:24:50 AM, Benshapiro wrote:
Why do you believe in God?

the very ancientist question. Because it is logic, why we believe in God.
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2/3/2015 8:50:33 AM
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At 2/3/2015 8:36:57 AM, uncung wrote:
At 2/3/2015 8:24:50 AM, Benshapiro wrote:
Why do you believe in God?

the very ancientist question. Because it is logic, why we believe in God.

How is it I've only just come across religious people borrowing the word logic to explain why they think a God exists? What on earth do you think logic is?
To believe is to know nothing.
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2/3/2015 2:05:29 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/3/2015 8:24:50 AM, Benshapiro wrote:
Why do you believe in God?

Because I have read the Bible and I think it tells the truth about humans and about our world.
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2/3/2015 4:22:37 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/3/2015 8:24:50 AM, Benshapiro wrote:
Why do you believe in God?

Because of the sheer wonder of the way the universe has manifest itself, our little speck of a planet, contains so much potency alone, , that only a God could cause such a magnificent realm of possibilities to spring from just a spark of his splendour. The universe speaks for itself. It is the living visible garment of God.
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2/3/2015 4:27:31 PM
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At 2/3/2015 8:50:33 AM, Impartial wrote:
At 2/3/2015 8:36:57 AM, uncung wrote:
At 2/3/2015 8:24:50 AM, Benshapiro wrote:
Why do you believe in God?

the very ancientist question. Because it is logic, why we believe in God.

How is it I've only just come across religious people borrowing the word logic to explain why they think a God exists? What on earth do you think logic is?

To answer your first question, maybe you simply weren't paying attention. I use logic to define everything. To answer the second question, logic is something better defined by Merriam Webster:
log"ic noun \G2;l"-jik\
a proper or reasonable way of thinking about or understanding something
a particular way of thinking about something
the science that studies the formal processes used in thinking and reasoning
(http://www.merriam-webster.com...)

I believe in God for several reasons. Logic does have much to do with that particular answer. The universe, our existence, and my personal experience.
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2/3/2015 4:33:08 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/3/2015 4:22:37 PM, johnlubba wrote:
At 2/3/2015 8:24:50 AM, Benshapiro wrote:
Why do you believe in God?


Because of the sheer wonder of the way the universe has manifest itself, our little speck of a planet, contains so much potency alone, , that only a God could cause such a magnificent realm of possibilities to spring from just a spark of his splendour. The universe speaks for itself. It is the living visible garment of God.

Universe as the garmet of God how jewish of you. I thought it was more like a glove lol
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2/3/2015 4:33:10 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/3/2015 2:05:29 PM, 12_13 wrote:
At 2/3/2015 8:24:50 AM, Benshapiro wrote:
Why do you believe in God?

Because I have read the Bible and I think it tells the truth about humans and about our world.

Even biblical scholars are beginning to doubt the veracity of the bible. And scientists have found the bible dies not stand up to any scientific scrutiny. Even the Jews reject the entire NT. Shouldn't theses nagging doubts be addressed?
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2/3/2015 4:56:19 PM
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At 2/3/2015 4:27:31 PM, LostintheEcho1498 wrote:
At 2/3/2015 8:50:33 AM, Impartial wrote:
At 2/3/2015 8:36:57 AM, uncung wrote:
At 2/3/2015 8:24:50 AM, Benshapiro wrote:
Why do you believe in God?

the very ancientist question. Because it is logic, why we believe in God.

How is it I've only just come across religious people borrowing the word logic to explain why they think a God exists? What on earth do you think logic is?

To answer your first question, maybe you simply weren't paying attention. I use logic to define everything. To answer the second question, logic is something better defined by Merriam Webster:
log"ic noun \G2;l"-jik\
a proper or reasonable way of thinking about or understanding something
a particular way of thinking about something
the science that studies the formal processes used in thinking and reasoning
(http://www.merriam-webster.com...)

I believe in God for several reasons. Logic does have much to do with that particular answer. The universe, our existence, and my personal experience.

Science is the authority on logic, as I'm sure you'll agree. The way it works is that you have a theory that you test repeatedly in order to better understand how accurate or inaccurate the theory is. A theist thinks he has an understanding about the universe already, he then backtracks to try and justify it to himself. That isn't logical.
To believe is to know nothing.
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2/3/2015 5:34:51 PM
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At 2/3/2015 4:33:08 PM, Mhykiel wrote:
At 2/3/2015 4:22:37 PM, johnlubba wrote:
At 2/3/2015 8:24:50 AM, Benshapiro wrote:
Why do you believe in God?


Because of the sheer wonder of the way the universe has manifest itself, our little speck of a planet, contains so much potency alone, , that only a God could cause such a magnificent realm of possibilities to spring from just a spark of his splendour. The universe speaks for itself. It is the living visible garment of God.

Universe as the garmet of God how jewish of you. I thought it was more like a glove lol

Actually it's like a puffer jacket with a hood.
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2/3/2015 5:48:42 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Design in life and the universe.
Porn babes be distracting me. Dudes be stealing me stuff. I'm all about the cash from now. I'm not playing Jesus anymore.
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2/3/2015 5:54:37 PM
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At 2/3/2015 4:56:19 PM, Impartial wrote:
At 2/3/2015 4:27:31 PM, LostintheEcho1498 wrote:
At 2/3/2015 8:50:33 AM, Impartial wrote:
At 2/3/2015 8:36:57 AM, uncung wrote:
At 2/3/2015 8:24:50 AM, Benshapiro wrote:
Why do you believe in God?

the very ancientist question. Because it is logic, why we believe in God.

How is it I've only just come across religious people borrowing the word logic to explain why they think a God exists? What on earth do you think logic is?

To answer your first question, maybe you simply weren't paying attention. I use logic to define everything. To answer the second question, logic is something better defined by Merriam Webster:
log"ic noun \G2;l"-jik\
a proper or reasonable way of thinking about or understanding something
a particular way of thinking about something
the science that studies the formal processes used in thinking and reasoning
(http://www.merriam-webster.com...)

I believe in God for several reasons. Logic does have much to do with that particular answer. The universe, our existence, and my personal experience.

Science is the authority on logic, as I'm sure you'll agree. The way it works is that you have a theory that you test repeatedly in order to better understand how accurate or inaccurate the theory is. A theist thinks he has an understanding about the universe already, he then backtracks to try and justify it to himself. That isn't logical.
Science is based on certainty and predictability. You don't launch a rocket to mars based on logic? Religion is not based on logic either. It is based on faith and belief in a divine being who is all knowing. But all that all knowing is useless because it cannot be imparted to the average person. We still rely on science and technology for all our physical needs. So what purpose does this God serve? None. It just keeps the charlatans in business preying on the weak minds of ignorant people.
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2/3/2015 6:24:36 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/3/2015 8:24:50 AM, Benshapiro wrote:
Why do you believe in God?

I am not what most consider to be a theist because I do not believe in an invisible God the same as I do not believe in an invisible Mother Nature.

I believe in a very visible God in the same way as I believe in a very visible Mother Nature.
In my perception God is merely an anthropomorphism of existence/life/ reality/ Truth, much the same as Mother Nature is an anthropomorphism of Nature in reality.

Why do I believe that? Simply because it makes the most sense in my own mind.
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2/3/2015 6:50:13 PM
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At 2/3/2015 6:24:36 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 2/3/2015 8:24:50 AM, Benshapiro wrote:
Why do you believe in God?

I am not what most consider to be a theist because I do not believe in an invisible God the same as I do not believe in an invisible Mother Nature.

I believe in a very visible God in the same way as I believe in a very visible Mother Nature.
In my perception God is merely an anthropomorphism of existence/life/ reality/ Truth, much the same as Mother Nature is an anthropomorphism of Nature in reality.

Why do I believe that? Simply because it makes the most sense in my own mind.

Suffice to say you need to believe in something, anything and what you believe makes most sense in your mind. You are just one step removed from a Christian who believes because of the promises of eternal life and forgiveness. What good is good sense when you have given up eternal life and forgiveness?
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2/3/2015 7:13:20 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/3/2015 6:50:13 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 2/3/2015 6:24:36 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 2/3/2015 8:24:50 AM, Benshapiro wrote:
Why do you believe in God?

I am not what most consider to be a theist because I do not believe in an invisible God the same as I do not believe in an invisible Mother Nature.

I believe in a very visible God in the same way as I believe in a very visible Mother Nature.
In my perception God is merely an anthropomorphism of existence/life/ reality/ Truth, much the same as Mother Nature is an anthropomorphism of Nature in reality.

Why do I believe that? Simply because it makes the most sense in my own mind.

Suffice to say you need to believe in something, anything and what you believe makes most sense in your mind. You are just one step removed from a Christian who believes because of the promises of eternal life and forgiveness.

All people believe in something. Even scientists believe in their own science, theories and opinions.
All people believe themselves. Self deceived people even believe they are being truthful to themselves when they are deceiving themselves. They have no clue they are deceiving themselves. If they were aware of it, they might stop the charade and start being honest with themselves.

I might be removed from Christians due to my perception of God being visible but I am also removed from Atheists due to my perception of God being real and visible.

Why do you think most people perceive God as some invisible supernatural entity rather than as a personification of something real in the same way as they understand Mother Nature to be a personification of something real?

What good is good sense when you have given up eternal life and forgiveness?

I have not given up the concepts of eternal life or forgiveness.

Forgiveness is an attitude in humans where one person overlooks the mistakes of another or justifies them for their actions. That concept is very real. Humans make mistakes and some forgive each other or they do not depending on their own choices and how angry they are with each other. I have no problem with the concept of forgiveness. If some humans wish to believe some invisible entity will not forgive people for not believing in invisible characters, then those people in my opinion are not very mature. Maybe they are actually afraid of being punished by some invisible entity if they let go of their own childish concepts of that mythical entity existing. Fear controls a lot of people.

The concept of eternal life is not hard to understand in a philosophical sense when you understand it takes life to create or reproduce life. The immature version of life comes from the mature version of life.
The seed is within the seed. The cycle is within the cycle. The wheel is within the wheel in the sense of the cycle being eternal.
I have no problem understanding the infinite process makes the cycle of life eternal. That does not mean individual life forms have eternal life as a finite life form on Earth. It means life in general is an eternal cyclic process.

However, If Energy is indeed something that cannot be created and destroyed and If we are all "made of" energy, then it stands to reason that we are all eternal and were never created and cannot be destroyed but as energy we indeed have eternal life even if the form through which we manifest is constantly changing.

It makes sense to me, anyway.
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2/3/2015 8:29:28 PM
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The only LOGIC in superstitious concepts is the MONEY and POWER that can be gained from it by those at the TOP of the superstitious ladder. The so called secret societies and their many members that just use their SUPER superstition powers.

If you are going to choose to be superstitious and play make believe and pretend realities.
You just as well get PAID well and have statues and building erected in your ?honor?.

The LOVE LUST GREED WANT of the ILLUSION of MONEY and POWER is what the many of the people want and will pay for,
even with their LIVES....
Life is what YOU make it,
Most just try and fake it...
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2/3/2015 8:59:43 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/3/2015 6:24:36 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 2/3/2015 8:24:50 AM, Benshapiro wrote:
Why do you believe in God?

I am not what most consider to be a theist because I do not believe in an invisible God the same as I do not believe in an invisible Mother Nature.

I believe in a very visible God in the same way as I believe in a very visible Mother Nature.
In my perception God is merely an anthropomorphism of existence/life/ reality/ Truth, much the same as Mother Nature is an anthropomorphism of Nature in reality.

Why do I believe that? Simply because it makes the most sense in my own mind.

Like I've been saying, Those who believe in what they observe deceives them of their true created existence as invisible vibrations that God's quantum physicists have been learning about.
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2/3/2015 9:00:20 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/3/2015 6:24:36 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 2/3/2015 8:24:50 AM, Benshapiro wrote:
Why do you believe in God?

I am not what most consider to be a theist because I do not believe in an invisible God the same as I do not believe in an invisible Mother Nature.

I believe in a very visible God in the same way as I believe in a very visible Mother Nature.
In my perception God is merely an anthropomorphism of existence/life/ reality/ Truth, much the same as Mother Nature is an anthropomorphism of Nature in reality.

Why do I believe that? Simply because it makes the most sense in my own mind.

Like I've been saying, Those who believe in what they observe deceives them of their true created existence as invisible vibrations that God's quantum physicists have been learning about and that we saints have been taught directly by Him.
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2/3/2015 9:08:16 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/3/2015 8:24:50 AM, Benshapiro wrote:
Why do you believe in God?

May I ask what qualifies as a 'belief' in God?
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2/3/2015 9:31:48 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
the very ancientist question. Because it is logic, why we believe in God.

How is it I've only just come across religious people borrowing the word logic to explain why they think a God exists? What on earth do you think logic is?

All things exist because something generate them. And the universe was created as well by someone, who so called the God.
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2/3/2015 9:47:54 PM
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At 2/3/2015 9:00:20 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 2/3/2015 6:24:36 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 2/3/2015 8:24:50 AM, Benshapiro wrote:
Why do you believe in God?

I am not what most consider to be a theist because I do not believe in an invisible God the same as I do not believe in an invisible Mother Nature.

I believe in a very visible God in the same way as I believe in a very visible Mother Nature.
In my perception God is merely an anthropomorphism of existence/life/ reality/ Truth, much the same as Mother Nature is an anthropomorphism of Nature in reality.

Why do I believe that? Simply because it makes the most sense in my own mind.

Like I've been saying, Those who believe in what they observe deceives them of their true created existence as invisible vibrations that God's quantum physicists have been learning about and that we saints have been taught directly by Him.

Do you think God has eyes to see himself and ears to hear himself Brad?
Do you think God is aware of his own physical reality or do you think God also deceives himself with an illusion of his own physical reality ?

Did God create an illusion of man in the image of an illusion of God or did God create the reality of man in the image of a real God?

Are thoughts real and physical or are all thoughts just illusions?
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2/3/2015 9:53:40 PM
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At 2/3/2015 9:31:48 PM, uncung wrote:
the very ancientist question. Because it is logic, why we believe in God.

How is it I've only just come across religious people borrowing the word logic to explain why they think a God exists? What on earth do you think logic is?

All things exist because something generate them. And the universe was created as well by someone, who so called the God.

What if the universe was never created but has always existed as energy in various visible and invisible forms?
What if the whole story about the universe once not existing is just a myth which gullible people have swallowed and believed for centuries much like our superstitious ancestors believed many other myths for centuries before some human minds matured enough to understand they were merely myths?
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2/3/2015 10:01:17 PM
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At 2/3/2015 8:24:50 AM, Benshapiro wrote:
Why do you believe in God?

we were non existence and something brought us into being. something happening for no reason, where laws came from and eternal time make to me no sense. if you tell me the planets started to spin aroung the sun and life came by itself by chance its nonsense. from non exsictence to a body with brain to think and lungs to breath come on.....i dont deny evolution but it has laws also.
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2/3/2015 10:32:53 PM
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At 2/3/2015 9:47:54 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 2/3/2015 9:00:20 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 2/3/2015 6:24:36 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 2/3/2015 8:24:50 AM, Benshapiro wrote:
Why do you believe in God?

I am not what most consider to be a theist because I do not believe in an invisible God the same as I do not believe in an invisible Mother Nature.

I believe in a very visible God in the same way as I believe in a very visible Mother Nature.
In my perception God is merely an anthropomorphism of existence/life/ reality/ Truth, much the same as Mother Nature is an anthropomorphism of Nature in reality.

Why do I believe that? Simply because it makes the most sense in my own mind.

Like I've been saying, Those who believe in what they observe deceives them of their true created existence as invisible vibrations that God's quantum physicists have been learning about and that we saints have been taught directly by Him.

Do you think God has eyes to see himself and ears to hear himself Brad?
Do you think God is aware of his own physical reality or do you think God also deceives himself with an illusion of his own physical reality ?

Did God create an illusion of man in the image of an illusion of God or did God create the reality of man in the image of a real God?

Are thoughts real and physical or are all thoughts just illusions?

Our Creator has remained silent about who He is but He has told me everything else He wanted me to know before I'm killed. I know His power to control me very well as He controls everything else He created and formed. I was made His voice in this virtual reality so I write and speak what He wants me to write and speak. I'm not the Creator of anything since I was created by Him.

We are in a virtual reality made from invisible vibrations ( a dream is a good way to express it ) and that's all we know at this point. Our Creator could possibly be a created being at a desk with a wave machine where He created a program called Eternal Life. Since I don't know anything about Him beyond what He has taught me, I would be lying if I guessed at who He might be like you obviously have.

When God said He made man in His own image, He wasn't talking about the visible flesh that He formed for man to experience life in. He was talking about His invisible thoughts where man was made. God created invisible vibrations and in those invisible vibrations He created man, beasts, plants, rocks, water, etc. before images were formed as illusions for us to observer.

The body of Jesus is NOT the image of God. If that were true, there would only be ONE image that He would have had His people paint, sculpture, draw, etc. but instead, there are millions of different images.

He told us in His commandments not to worship any hand graven images because that is NOT our Creator. Our Creator is invisible to His creation and will remain that way. He uses us saints and prophets to testify to His creation, which is invisible vibrations where we exist as His characters. We are NOT real people.
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2/3/2015 11:07:42 PM
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Animals don't follow the ways of superstition and it's concepts. Only so called humans do.

Take a look at the animals and other LIFE around you.

WHAT would happen if they started to use the concepts of superstition and it's many concepts? Would it make their world a better place?

WHAT is the MAIN problem that the other LIFE forms on this planet have to fear?

Confused humans and all the GARBAGE and death that they create with their quest for better and more powerful superstitious nonsense.

The animals and other LIFE forms seem to do quite well without invisible things doing their thinking.

Now someone may bring up ants, bees and such that are more likened to the BORG of Star Trek. The ants and bees are just following their DNA program that was original operating software from the factory.

I have watched the ants and the bees. I have noticed that they can have differing "personalities" and moods. Some seem lazy and some seem a bit more angry then they should be.

Maybe they are tuning into some of the human "vibrations" traveling all through the air and within and without all.

I have noticed that overly emotional and confused people seem to have overly emotional and confused pets many times.

Are you picking up GOOD GOOD vibrations or just some pirate station broadcasting mostly muffled elevator music and commercial static?
Life is what YOU make it,
Most just try and fake it...
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2/4/2015 12:33:03 AM
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At 2/3/2015 11:07:42 PM, Electric-Eccentric wrote:
Animals don't follow the ways of superstition and it's concepts. Only so called humans do.

Take a look at the animals and other LIFE around you.

WHAT would happen if they started to use the concepts of superstition and it's many concepts? Would it make their world a better place?

WHAT is the MAIN problem that the other LIFE forms on this planet have to fear?

Confused humans and all the GARBAGE and death that they create with their quest for better and more powerful superstitious nonsense.

The animals and other LIFE forms seem to do quite well without invisible things doing their thinking.

Now someone may bring up ants, bees and such that are more likened to the BORG of Star Trek. The ants and bees are just following their DNA program that was original operating software from the factory.

I have watched the ants and the bees. I have noticed that they can have differing "personalities" and moods. Some seem lazy and some seem a bit more angry then they should be.

Maybe they are tuning into some of the human "vibrations" traveling all through the air and within and without all.

I have noticed that overly emotional and confused people seem to have overly emotional and confused pets many times.

Are you picking up GOOD GOOD vibrations or just some pirate station broadcasting mostly muffled elevator music and commercial static?
Look at the dinosaurs who ruled this planet for over three million years. As the incoming celestial bodies were on their way to destroy nearly all life on earth, they were walking around scratching their as ses, looking for another sexual encounter, and eating anything they could find, "THEM KABOOM" no more dumb, dumb dinosaurs.

I think, no, I know from the Holy Scriptures that mankind will be the saviour of most if not all plant life and animal species on this earth that is destined to be incinerated by another catatrophic event, within, at the very least, the next 2 thousand years.which will destroy all physical life forms that remain on this planet.
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2/4/2015 12:43:20 AM
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You are lost in TIME and SPACE.

Come on back to the NOW and leave all your superstitious nonsense behind you and get a clue, OR just keep trying to do better and BIGGER magic then the "others" can.

Confused people are so confused that it makes sense to them that if they can confuse others more so then they are confused that they will then become less confused.

That is a backwards math in my grown up mature human opinion.

But I suppose if it's ALL you have along with your invisible things that it does indeed make sense.
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2/4/2015 1:05:08 AM
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At 2/3/2015 8:24:50 AM, Benshapiro wrote:
Why do you believe in God?

Would you mind defining "God"? Given some of the definitions suggested so far, even the most militant atheist should believe... A little clarification would be appreciated.
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