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2/4/2015 6:28:24 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
John Piper is now a pastor I will look to when I have questions involving theology, even though I disagree with some of his views on Calvinism. I saw a video of his where he explains why he abhors the Prosperity Gospel and the people who use sugar coated fantasies to attract people to God. Check this out and let me know what you think. I personally find it to be realistic and true, especially when it talks about suffering.
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2/4/2015 6:48:53 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/4/2015 6:28:24 PM, ChristianPunk wrote:
John Piper is now a pastor I will look to when I have questions involving theology, even though I disagree with some of his views on Calvinism. I saw a video of his where he explains why he abhors the Prosperity Gospel and the people who use sugar coated fantasies to attract people to God. Check this out and let me know what you think. I personally find it to be realistic and true, especially when it talks about suffering.


The gospel which Christians try to sell today is a false gospel. They are selling God like some get rich quick scheme where the pastors who sell their tapes and books are the only ones who get rich from it.
Money, wealth and prosperity is their idol and their gospel.
They only follow "God" for personal gain.

As for enduring lifes sufferings, no person needs to believe in invisible characters to be able to endure such things. It takes as acceptance of the negative things which life throws at us, inner strength, determination and a positive attitude. Any person can survive sufferings without a belief in a supernatural entity.

I know because my own Grandfather endured much pain and suffering in a war before he died. His pain and suffering gave him the kind of understanding and empathy for others pain and suffering which one cannot ever have if they have not experienced suffering. He was one of the kindest and most caring men on the planet filled with love and compassion for his fellow humans yet he never believed in any supernatural God.
He was much like the good Samaritan in the parable who showed more practical love and kindness for people than the pious religious people do.

I see no reason for my grandfather to have ended up in a place called hell and be suffering for all eternity due to not believing in a supernatural invisible God.

The true gospel is not about believing in any invisible person. It is about being loving and kind to all people. It is not about what you can get to benefit yourself but about what you give to others expecting nothing in return.

My grandfather expected no rewards in heaven and no land of happily ever after when he died. He did what he did in life out of love and kindness expecting nothing in return. No well done from anyone, no prizes or awards or heavenly mansions or anything. He set a very good example to follow.
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2/4/2015 7:05:00 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/4/2015 6:48:53 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 2/4/2015 6:28:24 PM, ChristianPunk wrote:
John Piper is now a pastor I will look to when I have questions involving theology, even though I disagree with some of his views on Calvinism. I saw a video of his where he explains why he abhors the Prosperity Gospel and the people who use sugar coated fantasies to attract people to God. Check this out and let me know what you think. I personally find it to be realistic and true, especially when it talks about suffering.


The gospel which Christians try to sell today is a false gospel. They are selling God like some get rich quick scheme where the pastors who sell their tapes and books are the only ones who get rich from it.
Money, wealth and prosperity is their idol and their gospel.
They only follow "God" for personal gain.

As for enduring lifes sufferings, no person needs to believe in invisible characters to be able to endure such things. It takes as acceptance of the negative things which life throws at us, inner strength, determination and a positive attitude. Any person can survive sufferings without a belief in a supernatural entity.

I know because my own Grandfather endured much pain and suffering in a war before he died. His pain and suffering gave him the kind of understanding and empathy for others pain and suffering which one cannot ever have if they have not experienced suffering. He was one of the kindest and most caring men on the planet filled with love and compassion for his fellow humans yet he never believed in any supernatural God.
He was much like the good Samaritan in the parable who showed more practical love and kindness for people than the pious religious people do.

I see no reason for my grandfather to have ended up in a place called hell and be suffering for all eternity due to not believing in a supernatural invisible God.


The true gospel is not about believing in any invisible person. It is about being loving and kind to all people. It is not about what you can get to benefit yourself but about what you give to others expecting nothing in return.

My grandfather expected no rewards in heaven and no land of happily ever after when he died. He did what he did in life out of love and kindness expecting nothing in return. No well done from anyone, no prizes or awards or heavenly mansions or anything. He set a very good example to follow.

It would have been an honor to have met your grandfather. He certainly sounds like a saint.
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2/4/2015 7:08:21 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/4/2015 6:48:53 PM, Skyangel wrote:


The gospel which Christians try to sell today is a false gospel. They are selling God like some get rich quick scheme where the pastors who sell their tapes and books are the only ones who get rich from it.
Money, wealth and prosperity is their idol and their gospel.
They only follow "God" for personal gain.

As for enduring lifes sufferings, no person needs to believe in invisible characters to be able to endure such things. It takes as acceptance of the negative things which life throws at us, inner strength, determination and a positive attitude. Any person can survive sufferings without a belief in a supernatural entity.

I know because my own Grandfather endured much pain and suffering in a war before he died. His pain and suffering gave him the kind of understanding and empathy for others pain and suffering which one cannot ever have if they have not experienced suffering. He was one of the kindest and most caring men on the planet filled with love and compassion for his fellow humans yet he never believed in any supernatural God.
He was much like the good Samaritan in the parable who showed more practical love and kindness for people than the pious religious people do.

I see no reason for my grandfather to have ended up in a place called hell and be suffering for all eternity due to not believing in a supernatural invisible God.


The true gospel is not about believing in any invisible person. It is about being loving and kind to all people. It is not about what you can get to benefit yourself but about what you give to others expecting nothing in return.

My grandfather expected no rewards in heaven and no land of happily ever after when he died. He did what he did in life out of love and kindness expecting nothing in return. No well done from anyone, no prizes or awards or heavenly mansions or anything. He set a very good example to follow.

James 1:27: "Pure religion and undefiled
before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world."
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2/4/2015 7:10:58 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/4/2015 7:05:00 PM, ChristianPunk wrote:
At 2/4/2015 6:48:53 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 2/4/2015 6:28:24 PM, ChristianPunk wrote:
John Piper is now a pastor I will look to when I have questions involving theology, even though I disagree with some of his views on Calvinism. I saw a video of his where he explains why he abhors the Prosperity Gospel and the people who use sugar coated fantasies to attract people to God. Check this out and let me know what you think. I personally find it to be realistic and true, especially when it talks about suffering.


The gospel which Christians try to sell today is a false gospel. They are selling God like some get rich quick scheme where the pastors who sell their tapes and books are the only ones who get rich from it.
Money, wealth and prosperity is their idol and their gospel.
They only follow "God" for personal gain.

As for enduring lifes sufferings, no person needs to believe in invisible characters to be able to endure such things. It takes as acceptance of the negative things which life throws at us, inner strength, determination and a positive attitude. Any person can survive sufferings without a belief in a supernatural entity.

I know because my own Grandfather endured much pain and suffering in a war before he died. His pain and suffering gave him the kind of understanding and empathy for others pain and suffering which one cannot ever have if they have not experienced suffering. He was one of the kindest and most caring men on the planet filled with love and compassion for his fellow humans yet he never believed in any supernatural God.
He was much like the good Samaritan in the parable who showed more practical love and kindness for people than the pious religious people do.

I see no reason for my grandfather to have ended up in a place called hell and be suffering for all eternity due to not believing in a supernatural invisible God.


The true gospel is not about believing in any invisible person. It is about being loving and kind to all people. It is not about what you can get to benefit yourself but about what you give to others expecting nothing in return.

My grandfather expected no rewards in heaven and no land of happily ever after when he died. He did what he did in life out of love and kindness expecting nothing in return. No well done from anyone, no prizes or awards or heavenly mansions or anything. He set a very good example to follow.

It would have been an honor to have met your grandfather. He certainly sounds like a saint.

He was even though he was an atheist.

Actions always speak louder than words.
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2/4/2015 8:18:10 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/4/2015 6:28:24 PM, ChristianPunk wrote:
John Piper is now a pastor I will look to when I have questions involving theology, even though I disagree with some of his views on Calvinism. I saw a video of his where he explains why he abhors the Prosperity Gospel and the people who use sugar coated fantasies to attract people to God. Check this out and let me know what you think. I personally find it to be realistic and true, especially when it talks about suffering.



No Christian pastor speaks the Truth. Every single one of them are liars who have no authority to use the prophecies to teach God's people. If they were true saints like me, they are only used to testify to the knowledge of God and preach the gospel to God's chosen believers until they are killed by antichrists and false prophets who worship false deities and reject the true gospel. The gospel of antichrists are about their false deities such as Abraham and Jesus.
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2/4/2015 10:55:23 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/4/2015 8:18:10 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 2/4/2015 6:28:24 PM, ChristianPunk wrote:
John Piper is now a pastor I will look to when I have questions involving theology, even though I disagree with some of his views on Calvinism. I saw a video of his where he explains why he abhors the Prosperity Gospel and the people who use sugar coated fantasies to attract people to God. Check this out and let me know what you think. I personally find it to be realistic and true, especially when it talks about suffering.



No Christian pastor speaks the Truth. Every single one of them are liars who have no authority to use the prophecies to teach God's people. If they were true saints like me, they are only used to testify to the knowledge of God and preach the gospel to God's chosen believers until they are killed by antichrists and false prophets who worship false deities and reject the true gospel. The gospel of antichrists are about their false deities such as Abraham and Jesus.

You are not a true saint. You made a prophecy. It failed. You failed. Your interpretation from the Bible was wrong. Your reasoning for such (outside of the scripture of course) is that God humiliated you. You blame God for supposedly making you a saint, then blame him when you aren't, despite its only been YOUR words that declare you as such.

Stop.
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2/5/2015 12:44:43 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/4/2015 6:28:24 PM, ChristianPunk wrote:
John Piper is now a pastor I will look to when I have questions involving theology, even though I disagree with some of his views on Calvinism. I saw a video of his where he explains why he abhors the Prosperity Gospel and the people who use sugar coated fantasies to attract people to God. Check this out and let me know what you think. I personally find it to be realistic and true, especially when it talks about suffering.



He is right about the prosperity gospel - that is idolatry. His alternative is not much better, though. It shows god for a coping mechanism to deal with pain and suffering, which is one of the main purposes for religion, IMO.
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2/5/2015 1:00:02 AM
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At 2/4/2015 6:28:24 PM, ChristianPunk wrote:
John Piper is now a pastor I will look to when I have questions involving theology, even though I disagree with some of his views on Calvinism. I saw a video of his where he explains why he abhors the Prosperity Gospel and the people who use sugar coated fantasies to attract people to God. Check this out and let me know what you think. I personally find it to be realistic and true, especially when it talks about suffering.



The prosperity Gospel encourages a "fair weather friendship" with God, a "I love and worship God for what material things He gives me or will give me," but that is not my main problem with it.

My main problem is that it gives one the idea that if one is not prosperous, then one must still be harboring some sin of some sort. It fosters the idea that calamity or poverty = personal guilt/being wrong with God.

Now, for my cynical heathen take on what this pastor espouses instead, that "God is enough." He gives the example that even if your little daughter dies in a horrible accident, "God is enough" and will take care of you. Really? Uh, God did not do a very good job of taking care of your daughter, did He? What evidence do you have that He will take care of anything at all after that?

This pastor simply exchanges "God as gift giver" for "God as coping mechanism."
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2/5/2015 1:46:00 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/4/2015 7:05:00 PM, ChristianPunk wrote:
At 2/4/2015 6:48:53 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 2/4/2015 6:28:24 PM, ChristianPunk wrote:
John Piper is now a pastor I will look to when I have questions involving theology, even though I disagree with some of his views on Calvinism. I saw a video of his where he explains why he abhors the Prosperity Gospel and the people who use sugar coated fantasies to attract people to God. Check this out and let me know what you think. I personally find it to be realistic and true, especially when it talks about suffering.


The gospel which Christians try to sell today is a false gospel. They are selling God like some get rich quick scheme where the pastors who sell their tapes and books are the only ones who get rich from it.
Money, wealth and prosperity is their idol and their gospel.
They only follow "God" for personal gain.

As for enduring lifes sufferings, no person needs to believe in invisible characters to be able to endure such things. It takes as acceptance of the negative things which life throws at us, inner strength, determination and a positive attitude. Any person can survive sufferings without a belief in a supernatural entity.

I know because my own Grandfather endured much pain and suffering in a war before he died. His pain and suffering gave him the kind of understanding and empathy for others pain and suffering which one cannot ever have if they have not experienced suffering. He was one of the kindest and most caring men on the planet filled with love and compassion for his fellow humans yet he never believed in any supernatural God.
He was much like the good Samaritan in the parable who showed more practical love and kindness for people than the pious religious people do.

I see no reason for my grandfather to have ended up in a place called hell and be suffering for all eternity due to not believing in a supernatural invisible God.


The true gospel is not about believing in any invisible person. It is about being loving and kind to all people. It is not about what you can get to benefit yourself but about what you give to others expecting nothing in return.

My grandfather expected no rewards in heaven and no land of happily ever after when he died. He did what he did in life out of love and kindness expecting nothing in return. No well done from anyone, no prizes or awards or heavenly mansions or anything. He set a very good example to follow.

It would have been an honor to have met your grandfather. He certainly sounds like a saint.

A saint? She said, "I see no reason for my grandfather to have ended up in a place called hell and be suffering for all eternity due to not believing in a supernatural invisible God." What she means is, "He just didn't believe in the God of the Bible at all." I hardly think such a person would be termed a "saint".
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2/5/2015 5:05:45 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
Piper is a sexist idiot if his views on women have been correctly reported. I would like to hang him from the nearest church spire by his dangly bits!
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2/5/2015 7:30:26 AM
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At 2/4/2015 10:55:23 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 2/4/2015 8:18:10 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 2/4/2015 6:28:24 PM, ChristianPunk wrote:
John Piper is now a pastor I will look to when I have questions involving theology, even though I disagree with some of his views on Calvinism. I saw a video of his where he explains why he abhors the Prosperity Gospel and the people who use sugar coated fantasies to attract people to God. Check this out and let me know what you think. I personally find it to be realistic and true, especially when it talks about suffering.



No Christian pastor speaks the Truth. Every single one of them are liars who have no authority to use the prophecies to teach God's people. If they were true saints like me, they are only used to testify to the knowledge of God and preach the gospel to God's chosen believers until they are killed by antichrists and false prophets who worship false deities and reject the true gospel. The gospel of antichrists are about their false deities such as Abraham and Jesus.



You are not a true saint. You made a prophecy. It failed. You failed. Your interpretation from the Bible was wrong. Your reasoning for such (outside of the scripture of course) is that God humiliated you. You blame God for supposedly making you a saint, then blame him when you aren't, despite its only been YOUR words that declare you as such.

Stop.

You have no idea who I AM. You're an antichrist who rejects Me.
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2/5/2015 7:31:57 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/5/2015 7:30:26 AM, bornofgod wrote:
At 2/4/2015 10:55:23 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 2/4/2015 8:18:10 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 2/4/2015 6:28:24 PM, ChristianPunk wrote:
John Piper is now a pastor I will look to when I have questions involving theology, even though I disagree with some of his views on Calvinism. I saw a video of his where he explains why he abhors the Prosperity Gospel and the people who use sugar coated fantasies to attract people to God. Check this out and let me know what you think. I personally find it to be realistic and true, especially when it talks about suffering.



No Christian pastor speaks the Truth. Every single one of them are liars who have no authority to use the prophecies to teach God's people. If they were true saints like me, they are only used to testify to the knowledge of God and preach the gospel to God's chosen believers until they are killed by antichrists and false prophets who worship false deities and reject the true gospel. The gospel of antichrists are about their false deities such as Abraham and Jesus.



You are not a true saint. You made a prophecy. It failed. You failed. Your interpretation from the Bible was wrong. Your reasoning for such (outside of the scripture of course) is that God humiliated you. You blame God for supposedly making you a saint, then blame him when you aren't, despite its only been YOUR words that declare you as such.

Stop.

You have no idea who I AM. You're an antichrist who rejects Me.

Blah blah blah, lie lie lie, false prophet. What little credibility you had for pity has been shot, take a hike.
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2/5/2015 7:35:03 AM
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At 2/5/2015 7:31:57 AM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 2/5/2015 7:30:26 AM, bornofgod wrote:
At 2/4/2015 10:55:23 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 2/4/2015 8:18:10 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 2/4/2015 6:28:24 PM, ChristianPunk wrote:
John Piper is now a pastor I will look to when I have questions involving theology, even though I disagree with some of his views on Calvinism. I saw a video of his where he explains why he abhors the Prosperity Gospel and the people who use sugar coated fantasies to attract people to God. Check this out and let me know what you think. I personally find it to be realistic and true, especially when it talks about suffering.



No Christian pastor speaks the Truth. Every single one of them are liars who have no authority to use the prophecies to teach God's people. If they were true saints like me, they are only used to testify to the knowledge of God and preach the gospel to God's chosen believers until they are killed by antichrists and false prophets who worship false deities and reject the true gospel. The gospel of antichrists are about their false deities such as Abraham and Jesus.



You are not a true saint. You made a prophecy. It failed. You failed. Your interpretation from the Bible was wrong. Your reasoning for such (outside of the scripture of course) is that God humiliated you. You blame God for supposedly making you a saint, then blame him when you aren't, despite its only been YOUR words that declare you as such.

Stop.

You have no idea who I AM. You're an antichrist who rejects Me.

Blah blah blah, lie lie lie, false prophet. What little credibility you had for pity has been shot, take a hike.

You have never believed in Me. You only believed in your own interpretations of what you heard or read about in the Bible. The religious Jews believed their own interpretations of what My prophets wrote and didn't believe Me 2,000 years ago.
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2/5/2015 7:38:09 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/5/2015 1:46:00 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 2/4/2015 7:05:00 PM, ChristianPunk wrote:
At 2/4/2015 6:48:53 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 2/4/2015 6:28:24 PM, ChristianPunk wrote:
John Piper is now a pastor I will look to when I have questions involving theology, even though I disagree with some of his views on Calvinism. I saw a video of his where he explains why he abhors the Prosperity Gospel and the people who use sugar coated fantasies to attract people to God. Check this out and let me know what you think. I personally find it to be realistic and true, especially when it talks about suffering.


The gospel which Christians try to sell today is a false gospel. They are selling God like some get rich quick scheme where the pastors who sell their tapes and books are the only ones who get rich from it.
Money, wealth and prosperity is their idol and their gospel.
They only follow "God" for personal gain.

As for enduring lifes sufferings, no person needs to believe in invisible characters to be able to endure such things. It takes as acceptance of the negative things which life throws at us, inner strength, determination and a positive attitude. Any person can survive sufferings without a belief in a supernatural entity.

I know because my own Grandfather endured much pain and suffering in a war before he died. His pain and suffering gave him the kind of understanding and empathy for others pain and suffering which one cannot ever have if they have not experienced suffering. He was one of the kindest and most caring men on the planet filled with love and compassion for his fellow humans yet he never believed in any supernatural God.
He was much like the good Samaritan in the parable who showed more practical love and kindness for people than the pious religious people do.

I see no reason for my grandfather to have ended up in a place called hell and be suffering for all eternity due to not believing in a supernatural invisible God.


The true gospel is not about believing in any invisible person. It is about being loving and kind to all people. It is not about what you can get to benefit yourself but about what you give to others expecting nothing in return.

My grandfather expected no rewards in heaven and no land of happily ever after when he died. He did what he did in life out of love and kindness expecting nothing in return. No well done from anyone, no prizes or awards or heavenly mansions or anything. He set a very good example to follow.

It would have been an honor to have met your grandfather. He certainly sounds like a saint.

A saint? She said, "I see no reason for my grandfather to have ended up in a place called hell and be suffering for all eternity due to not believing in a supernatural invisible God." What she means is, "He just didn't believe in the God of the Bible at all." I hardly think such a person would be termed a "saint".

a person of great holiness, virtue, or benevolence. That's what a saint is. It does define it as one who believes in God as well.
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2/5/2015 7:44:19 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/5/2015 7:35:03 AM, bornofgod wrote:
At 2/5/2015 7:31:57 AM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 2/5/2015 7:30:26 AM, bornofgod wrote:
At 2/4/2015 10:55:23 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 2/4/2015 8:18:10 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 2/4/2015 6:28:24 PM, ChristianPunk wrote:
John Piper is now a pastor I will look to when I have questions involving theology, even though I disagree with some of his views on Calvinism. I saw a video of his where he explains why he abhors the Prosperity Gospel and the people who use sugar coated fantasies to attract people to God. Check this out and let me know what you think. I personally find it to be realistic and true, especially when it talks about suffering.



No Christian pastor speaks the Truth. Every single one of them are liars who have no authority to use the prophecies to teach God's people. If they were true saints like me, they are only used to testify to the knowledge of God and preach the gospel to God's chosen believers until they are killed by antichrists and false prophets who worship false deities and reject the true gospel. The gospel of antichrists are about their false deities such as Abraham and Jesus.



You are not a true saint. You made a prophecy. It failed. You failed. Your interpretation from the Bible was wrong. Your reasoning for such (outside of the scripture of course) is that God humiliated you. You blame God for supposedly making you a saint, then blame him when you aren't, despite its only been YOUR words that declare you as such.

Stop.

You have no idea who I AM. You're an antichrist who rejects Me.

Blah blah blah, lie lie lie, false prophet. What little credibility you had for pity has been shot, take a hike.

You have never believed in Me. You only believed in your own interpretations of what you heard or read about in the Bible. The religious Jews believed their own interpretations of what My prophets wrote and didn't believe Me 2,000 years ago.

No one has believed in your nonsense, if the deity exists it wouldn't believe in you either. It is all in your mind, and the sooner you get medical help the better!

To be honest I am surprised that someone with the severity of your mental condition is permitted to post on the forum, because you are just making a complete idiot of yourself with each post, and are seemingly unaware of the fact.
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2/5/2015 7:49:45 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/5/2015 5:05:45 AM, JJ50 wrote:
Piper is a sexist idiot if his views on women have been correctly reported. I would like to hang him from the nearest church spire by his dangly bits!

Everyone is sexist about something. Besides there are women who agree with him and would say the same thing. How can that be sexist in its entirety if not all are gonna be offended.
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2/5/2015 7:57:36 AM
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At 2/5/2015 7:38:09 AM, ChristianPunk wrote:
At 2/5/2015 1:46:00 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 2/4/2015 7:05:00 PM, ChristianPunk wrote:
At 2/4/2015 6:48:53 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 2/4/2015 6:28:24 PM, ChristianPunk wrote:
John Piper is now a pastor I will look to when I have questions involving theology, even though I disagree with some of his views on Calvinism. I saw a video of his where he explains why he abhors the Prosperity Gospel and the people who use sugar coated fantasies to attract people to God. Check this out and let me know what you think. I personally find it to be realistic and true, especially when it talks about suffering.


The gospel which Christians try to sell today is a false gospel. They are selling God like some get rich quick scheme where the pastors who sell their tapes and books are the only ones who get rich from it.
Money, wealth and prosperity is their idol and their gospel.
They only follow "God" for personal gain.

As for enduring lifes sufferings, no person needs to believe in invisible characters to be able to endure such things. It takes as acceptance of the negative things which life throws at us, inner strength, determination and a positive attitude. Any person can survive sufferings without a belief in a supernatural entity.

I know because my own Grandfather endured much pain and suffering in a war before he died. His pain and suffering gave him the kind of understanding and empathy for others pain and suffering which one cannot ever have if they have not experienced suffering. He was one of the kindest and most caring men on the planet filled with love and compassion for his fellow humans yet he never believed in any supernatural God.
He was much like the good Samaritan in the parable who showed more practical love and kindness for people than the pious religious people do.

I see no reason for my grandfather to have ended up in a place called hell and be suffering for all eternity due to not believing in a supernatural invisible God.


The true gospel is not about believing in any invisible person. It is about being loving and kind to all people. It is not about what you can get to benefit yourself but about what you give to others expecting nothing in return.

My grandfather expected no rewards in heaven and no land of happily ever after when he died. He did what he did in life out of love and kindness expecting nothing in return. No well done from anyone, no prizes or awards or heavenly mansions or anything. He set a very good example to follow.

It would have been an honor to have met your grandfather. He certainly sounds like a saint.

A saint? She said, "I see no reason for my grandfather to have ended up in a place called hell and be suffering for all eternity due to not believing in a supernatural invisible God." What she means is, "He just didn't believe in the God of the Bible at all." I hardly think such a person would be termed a "saint".

a person of great holiness, virtue, or benevolence. That's what a saint is. It does define it as one who believes in God as well.

Not one Christian has ever understood what us saints were used for by our Creator.

Psalm 116
16. Precious in the sight of thy Lord is the death of his saints.

Psalm 79.
1. O God, the heathen have come into thy inheritance; they have defiled they holy temple; they have laid Jerusalem in ruins.
2. They have given the bodies of thy servants to the birds of the air for food, the flesh of thy saints to the beasts of the earth.
3. They have poured out their blood like water round about Jerusalem, and there was none to bury them.

Revelation 6
9: When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the witness they had borne;
10: they cried out with a loud voice, "O Sovereign Lord, holy and true, how long before thou wilt judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell upon the earth?"
11: Then they were each given a white robe and told to rest a little longer, until the number of their fellow servants and their brethren should be complete, who were to be killed as they themselves had been.

A saint is God's only way of teaching His creation who we are in Him.

Ephesians 1
1: Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, To the saints who are also faithful in Christ Jesus:
2: Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
3: Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places,
4: even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him.
5: He destined us in love to be his sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will,
9: For he has made known to us in all wisdom and insight the mystery of his will, according to his purpose which he set forth in Christ
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2/5/2015 7:59:01 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/5/2015 7:44:19 AM, JJ50 wrote:
At 2/5/2015 7:35:03 AM, bornofgod wrote:
At 2/5/2015 7:31:57 AM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 2/5/2015 7:30:26 AM, bornofgod wrote:
At 2/4/2015 10:55:23 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 2/4/2015 8:18:10 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 2/4/2015 6:28:24 PM, ChristianPunk wrote:
John Piper is now a pastor I will look to when I have questions involving theology, even though I disagree with some of his views on Calvinism. I saw a video of his where he explains why he abhors the Prosperity Gospel and the people who use sugar coated fantasies to attract people to God. Check this out and let me know what you think. I personally find it to be realistic and true, especially when it talks about suffering.



No Christian pastor speaks the Truth. Every single one of them are liars who have no authority to use the prophecies to teach God's people. If they were true saints like me, they are only used to testify to the knowledge of God and preach the gospel to God's chosen believers until they are killed by antichrists and false prophets who worship false deities and reject the true gospel. The gospel of antichrists are about their false deities such as Abraham and Jesus.



You are not a true saint. You made a prophecy. It failed. You failed. Your interpretation from the Bible was wrong. Your reasoning for such (outside of the scripture of course) is that God humiliated you. You blame God for supposedly making you a saint, then blame him when you aren't, despite its only been YOUR words that declare you as such.

Stop.

You have no idea who I AM. You're an antichrist who rejects Me.

Blah blah blah, lie lie lie, false prophet. What little credibility you had for pity has been shot, take a hike.

You have never believed in Me. You only believed in your own interpretations of what you heard or read about in the Bible. The religious Jews believed their own interpretations of what My prophets wrote and didn't believe Me 2,000 years ago.

No one has believed in your nonsense, if the deity exists it wouldn't believe in you either. It is all in your mind, and the sooner you get medical help the better!

To be honest I am surprised that someone with the severity of your mental condition is permitted to post on the forum, because you are just making a complete idiot of yourself with each post, and are seemingly unaware of the fact.

I have over 2,000 of God's believers who have listened to His voice that I've preached to them over the past 42 months. Just because you can't hear His voice doesn't mean God's chosen believers haven't.
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2/5/2015 8:17:31 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/5/2015 7:30:26 AM, bornofgod wrote:
At 2/4/2015 10:55:23 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 2/4/2015 8:18:10 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 2/4/2015 6:28:24 PM, ChristianPunk wrote:
John Piper is now a pastor I will look to when I have questions involving theology, even though I disagree with some of his views on Calvinism. I saw a video of his where he explains why he abhors the Prosperity Gospel and the people who use sugar coated fantasies to attract people to God. Check this out and let me know what you think. I personally find it to be realistic and true, especially when it talks about suffering.



No Christian pastor speaks the Truth. Every single one of them are liars who have no authority to use the prophecies to teach God's people. If they were true saints like me, they are only used to testify to the knowledge of God and preach the gospel to God's chosen believers until they are killed by antichrists and false prophets who worship false deities and reject the true gospel. The gospel of antichrists are about their false deities such as Abraham and Jesus.



You are not a true saint. You made a prophecy. It failed. You failed. Your interpretation from the Bible was wrong. Your reasoning for such (outside of the scripture of course) is that God humiliated you. You blame God for supposedly making you a saint, then blame him when you aren't, despite its only been YOUR words that declare you as such.

Stop.

You have no idea who I AM. You're an antichrist who rejects Me.

You are a recovering alcoholic by your own admission. God isn't putting words in your mouth. He was taking things out of your backside which you recall caused you great pain and lots of deep crying. God had you on the floor 8 times. Another reason your backside hurt so much.

Read your own confession:. God is more than mere thoughts. He is a sin buster and backside redeemer. When God gets his WORD in you, it causes great pain and lots of deep crying. Why do you think the Jews nailed Jesus to the cross?

You wrote: God is nothing but thoughts so there is no evidence of his existence. This is why God chose his people before creation and created them together as the Word. This Word is actually light energy that was needed to take his plans and create everything else according to these plans. I just happen to be one of those he chose. He revealed himself to me on Dec. 8, 1979 while I was still an alcoholic.

It took him 29 more years of giving me many different commands for me to obey. His main objective was to get me sinless through the process of confession, repentance and forgiveness of sins. He actually changes the genetic sin traits to stop the power of sin so he had me on the floor eight different times while he was removing my sins. This caused me great pain and lots of deep crying.
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2/5/2015 8:32:32 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/5/2015 7:59:01 AM, bornofgod wrote:
At 2/5/2015 7:44:19 AM, JJ50 wrote:
At 2/5/2015 7:35:03 AM, bornofgod wrote:
At 2/5/2015 7:31:57 AM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 2/5/2015 7:30:26 AM, bornofgod wrote:
At 2/4/2015 10:55:23 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 2/4/2015 8:18:10 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 2/4/2015 6:28:24 PM, ChristianPunk wrote:
John Piper is now a pastor I will look to when I have questions involving theology, even though I disagree with some of his views on Calvinism. I saw a video of his where he explains why he abhors the Prosperity Gospel and the people who use sugar coated fantasies to attract people to God. Check this out and let me know what you think. I personally find it to be realistic and true, especially when it talks about suffering.



No Christian pastor speaks the Truth. Every single one of them are liars who have no authority to use the prophecies to teach God's people. If they were true saints like me, they are only used to testify to the knowledge of God and preach the gospel to God's chosen believers until they are killed by antichrists and false prophets who worship false deities and reject the true gospel. The gospel of antichrists are about their false deities such as Abraham and Jesus.



You are not a true saint. You made a prophecy. It failed. You failed. Your interpretation from the Bible was wrong. Your reasoning for such (outside of the scripture of course) is that God humiliated you. You blame God for supposedly making you a saint, then blame him when you aren't, despite its only been YOUR words that declare you as such.

Stop.

You have no idea who I AM. You're an antichrist who rejects Me.

Blah blah blah, lie lie lie, false prophet. What little credibility you had for pity has been shot, take a hike.

You have never believed in Me. You only believed in your own interpretations of what you heard or read about in the Bible. The religious Jews believed their own interpretations of what My prophets wrote and didn't believe Me 2,000 years ago.

No one has believed in your nonsense, if the deity exists it wouldn't believe in you either. It is all in your mind, and the sooner you get medical help the better!

To be honest I am surprised that someone with the severity of your mental condition is permitted to post on the forum, because you are just making a complete idiot of yourself with each post, and are seemingly unaware of the fact.

I have over 2,000 of God's believers who have listened to His voice that I've preached to them over the past 42 months. Just because you can't hear His voice doesn't mean God's chosen believers haven't.

Yeh right!
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2/5/2015 10:27:05 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/5/2015 8:32:32 AM, JJ50 wrote:
At 2/5/2015 7:59:01 AM, bornofgod wrote:
At 2/5/2015 7:44:19 AM, JJ50 wrote:
At 2/5/2015 7:35:03 AM, bornofgod wrote:
At 2/5/2015 7:31:57 AM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 2/5/2015 7:30:26 AM, bornofgod wrote:
At 2/4/2015 10:55:23 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 2/4/2015 8:18:10 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 2/4/2015 6:28:24 PM, ChristianPunk wrote:
John Piper is now a pastor I will look to when I have questions involving theology, even though I disagree with some of his views on Calvinism. I saw a video of his where he explains why he abhors the Prosperity Gospel and the people who use sugar coated fantasies to attract people to God. Check this out and let me know what you think. I personally find it to be realistic and true, especially when it talks about suffering.



No Christian pastor speaks the Truth. Every single one of them are liars who have no authority to use the prophecies to teach God's people. If they were true saints like me, they are only used to testify to the knowledge of God and preach the gospel to God's chosen believers until they are killed by antichrists and false prophets who worship false deities and reject the true gospel. The gospel of antichrists are about their false deities such as Abraham and Jesus.



You are not a true saint. You made a prophecy. It failed. You failed. Your interpretation from the Bible was wrong. Your reasoning for such (outside of the scripture of course) is that God humiliated you. You blame God for supposedly making you a saint, then blame him when you aren't, despite its only been YOUR words that declare you as such.

Stop.

You have no idea who I AM. You're an antichrist who rejects Me.

Blah blah blah, lie lie lie, false prophet. What little credibility you had for pity has been shot, take a hike.

You have never believed in Me. You only believed in your own interpretations of what you heard or read about in the Bible. The religious Jews believed their own interpretations of what My prophets wrote and didn't believe Me 2,000 years ago.

No one has believed in your nonsense, if the deity exists it wouldn't believe in you either. It is all in your mind, and the sooner you get medical help the better!

To be honest I am surprised that someone with the severity of your mental condition is permitted to post on the forum, because you are just making a complete idiot of yourself with each post, and are seemingly unaware of the fact.

I have over 2,000 of God's believers who have listened to His voice that I've preached to them over the past 42 months. Just because you can't hear His voice doesn't mean God's chosen believers haven't.

Yeh right!

That's the Truth.
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2/5/2015 10:39:20 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/5/2015 10:27:05 AM, bornofgod wrote:
At 2/5/2015 8:32:32 AM, JJ50 wrote:
At 2/5/2015 7:59:01 AM, bornofgod wrote:
At 2/5/2015 7:44:19 AM, JJ50 wrote:
At 2/5/2015 7:35:03 AM, bornofgod wrote:
At 2/5/2015 7:31:57 AM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 2/5/2015 7:30:26 AM, bornofgod wrote:
At 2/4/2015 10:55:23 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 2/4/2015 8:18:10 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 2/4/2015 6:28:24 PM, ChristianPunk wrote:
John Piper is now a pastor I will look to when I have questions involving theology, even though I disagree with some of his views on Calvinism. I saw a video of his where he explains why he abhors the Prosperity Gospel and the people who use sugar coated fantasies to attract people to God. Check this out and let me know what you think. I personally find it to be realistic and true, especially when it talks about suffering.



No Christian pastor speaks the Truth. Every single one of them are liars who have no authority to use the prophecies to teach God's people. If they were true saints like me, they are only used to testify to the knowledge of God and preach the gospel to God's chosen believers until they are killed by antichrists and false prophets who worship false deities and reject the true gospel. The gospel of antichrists are about their false deities such as Abraham and Jesus.



You are not a true saint. You made a prophecy. It failed. You failed. Your interpretation from the Bible was wrong. Your reasoning for such (outside of the scripture of course) is that God humiliated you. You blame God for supposedly making you a saint, then blame him when you aren't, despite its only been YOUR words that declare you as such.

Stop.

You have no idea who I AM. You're an antichrist who rejects Me.

Blah blah blah, lie lie lie, false prophet. What little credibility you had for pity has been shot, take a hike.

You have never believed in Me. You only believed in your own interpretations of what you heard or read about in the Bible. The religious Jews believed their own interpretations of what My prophets wrote and didn't believe Me 2,000 years ago.

No one has believed in your nonsense, if the deity exists it wouldn't believe in you either. It is all in your mind, and the sooner you get medical help the better!

To be honest I am surprised that someone with the severity of your mental condition is permitted to post on the forum, because you are just making a complete idiot of yourself with each post, and are seemingly unaware of the fact.

I have over 2,000 of God's believers who have listened to His voice that I've preached to them over the past 42 months. Just because you can't hear His voice doesn't mean God's chosen believers haven't.

Yeh right!

That's the Truth.

Do you take illegal drugs as well as alcohol? The garbage you spout is so extreme one could well believe you are as high as a kite on drugs too!