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2/6/2015 8:42:59 AM
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President compares the terror organization to the Christians during the Crusades at the National Prayer Breakfast. http://www.aol.com...
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2/6/2015 8:50:20 AM
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At 2/6/2015 8:42:59 AM, lannan13 wrote:
President compares the terror organization to the Christians during the Crusades at the National Prayer Breakfast. http://www.aol.com...
What are your reactions and comments?

Obama is right. Christianity has no moral high ground considering all the awful things which have been done by people belonging to that religion, in the past and up until the present day!
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2/6/2015 8:54:26 AM
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At 2/6/2015 8:50:20 AM, JJ50 wrote:
At 2/6/2015 8:42:59 AM, lannan13 wrote:
President compares the terror organization to the Christians during the Crusades at the National Prayer Breakfast. http://www.aol.com...
What are your reactions and comments?

Obama is right. Christianity has no moral high ground considering all the awful things which have been done by people belonging to that religion, in the past and up until the present day!

No, Christians and Muslums are both peaceful by nature. It's just the radical sides that cause the violence.
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2/6/2015 8:57:02 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/6/2015 8:42:59 AM, lannan13 wrote:
President compares the terror organization to the Christians during the Crusades at the National Prayer Breakfast. http://www.aol.com...
What are your reactions and comments?

My comment is that he seemed to compare Catholics to ISIS. That's a pretty fair comparison. It still is. The Catholic Church is not much different than it ever was, really. Just go to a country that is nearly 100% Catholic and see how "tolerant" they are of Protestantism.
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2/6/2015 8:59:15 AM
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At 2/6/2015 8:57:02 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 2/6/2015 8:42:59 AM, lannan13 wrote:
President compares the terror organization to the Christians during the Crusades at the National Prayer Breakfast. http://www.aol.com...
What are your reactions and comments?

My comment is that he seemed to compare Catholics to ISIS. That's a pretty fair comparison. It still is. The Catholic Church is not much different than it ever was, really. Just go to a country that is nearly 100% Catholic and see how "tolerant" they are of Protestantism.

Things have changed since the 1500s.
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"No one can make you feel inferior without your consent." "Eleanor Roosevelt

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2/6/2015 9:02:03 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/6/2015 8:59:15 AM, lannan13 wrote:
At 2/6/2015 8:57:02 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 2/6/2015 8:42:59 AM, lannan13 wrote:
President compares the terror organization to the Christians during the Crusades at the National Prayer Breakfast. http://www.aol.com...
What are your reactions and comments?

My comment is that he seemed to compare Catholics to ISIS. That's a pretty fair comparison. It still is. The Catholic Church is not much different than it ever was, really. Just go to a country that is nearly 100% Catholic and see how "tolerant" they are of Protestantism.

Things have changed since the 1500s.

Certainly they have. I believe you'll find that the behavior of the Catholic Church when it is in the majority, however, is not among those changes. Read the famous Syllabus of Errors from the mid-1800's. It's never been recanted.
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2/6/2015 9:03:43 AM
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At 2/6/2015 8:42:59 AM, lannan13 wrote:
President compares the terror organization to the Christians during the Crusades at the National Prayer Breakfast. http://www.aol.com...
What are your reactions and comments?

He's a fvcking moron, but that's progressivism for you - the sins people made 1,000 years ago justify the sins people make today.
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2/6/2015 9:05:07 AM
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At 2/6/2015 8:42:59 AM, lannan13 wrote:
President compares the terror organization to the Christians during the Crusades at the National Prayer Breakfast. http://www.aol.com...
What are your reactions and comments?

That depends on what view one has of the Crusades:

"Some historians see the Crusades as part of a purely defensive war against Islamic conquest; some see them as part of long-running conflict at the frontiers of Europe; and others see them as confident, aggressive, papal-led expansion attempts by Western Christendom." wiki
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2/6/2015 9:05:17 AM
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At 2/6/2015 9:02:03 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 2/6/2015 8:59:15 AM, lannan13 wrote:
At 2/6/2015 8:57:02 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 2/6/2015 8:42:59 AM, lannan13 wrote:
President compares the terror organization to the Christians during the Crusades at the National Prayer Breakfast. http://www.aol.com...
What are your reactions and comments?

My comment is that he seemed to compare Catholics to ISIS. That's a pretty fair comparison. It still is. The Catholic Church is not much different than it ever was, really. Just go to a country that is nearly 100% Catholic and see how "tolerant" they are of Protestantism.

Things have changed since the 1500s.

Certainly they have. I believe you'll find that the behavior of the Catholic Church when it is in the majority, however, is not among those changes. Read the famous Syllabus of Errors from the mid-1800's. It's never been recanted.

Sure, but there are several things and laws that havfe never been repealed or recanted all over the world. Like in New Jersey, if you rob a bank you cannot were a bullet proof vest or in Zion, Il, were you have to believe that the Earth is flat and it's taught in schools there still today.
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2/6/2015 9:06:38 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/6/2015 9:05:07 AM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 2/6/2015 8:42:59 AM, lannan13 wrote:
President compares the terror organization to the Christians during the Crusades at the National Prayer Breakfast. http://www.aol.com...
What are your reactions and comments?

That depends on what view one has of the Crusades:

"Some historians see the Crusades as part of a purely defensive war against Islamic conquest; some see them as part of long-running conflict at the frontiers of Europe; and others see them as confident, aggressive, papal-led expansion attempts by Western Christendom." wiki

Weather I'm right or wrong, I view the Crusades as an agressive offensive War to let Europe heal from the Muslum invasions.
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2/6/2015 9:07:17 AM
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At 2/6/2015 9:05:17 AM, lannan13 wrote:
At 2/6/2015 9:02:03 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 2/6/2015 8:59:15 AM, lannan13 wrote:
At 2/6/2015 8:57:02 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 2/6/2015 8:42:59 AM, lannan13 wrote:
President compares the terror organization to the Christians during the Crusades at the National Prayer Breakfast. http://www.aol.com...
What are your reactions and comments?

My comment is that he seemed to compare Catholics to ISIS. That's a pretty fair comparison. It still is. The Catholic Church is not much different than it ever was, really. Just go to a country that is nearly 100% Catholic and see how "tolerant" they are of Protestantism.

Things have changed since the 1500s.

Certainly they have. I believe you'll find that the behavior of the Catholic Church when it is in the majority, however, is not among those changes. Read the famous Syllabus of Errors from the mid-1800's. It's never been recanted.

Sure, but there are several things and laws that havfe never been repealed or recanted all over the world. Like in New Jersey, if you rob a bank you cannot were a bullet proof vest or in Zion, Il, were you have to believe that the Earth is flat and it's taught in schools there still today.

When such laws are not repealed, it is through oversight. That's not the case with the Catholic Church.
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2/6/2015 9:07:31 AM
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At 2/6/2015 9:03:43 AM, TN05 wrote:
At 2/6/2015 8:42:59 AM, lannan13 wrote:
President compares the terror organization to the Christians during the Crusades at the National Prayer Breakfast. http://www.aol.com...
What are your reactions and comments?

He's a fvcking moron, but that's progressivism for you - the sins people made 1,000 years ago justify the sins people make today.

Pretty sure you didn't actually listen to what he said if you think he's trying to "justify" the sins people make today. SMH
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2/6/2015 9:16:00 AM
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At 2/6/2015 8:59:15 AM, lannan13 wrote:
At 2/6/2015 8:57:02 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 2/6/2015 8:42:59 AM, lannan13 wrote:
President compares the terror organization to the Christians during the Crusades at the National Prayer Breakfast. http://www.aol.com...
What are your reactions and comments?

My comment is that he seemed to compare Catholics to ISIS. That's a pretty fair comparison. It still is. The Catholic Church is not much different than it ever was, really. Just go to a country that is nearly 100% Catholic and see how "tolerant" they are of Protestantism.

Things have changed since the 1500s.

(It is a grave error and anathema to teach that) "the Church has not the power of using force, nor has she any temporal power, direct or indirect."

(It is a grave error and anathema to teach that) "the best theory of civil society requires that popular schools open to children of every class of the people, and, generally, all public institutes intended for instruction in letters and philosophical sciences and for carrying on the education of youth, should be freed from all ecclesiastical authority, control and interference, and should be fully subjected to the civil and political power."

(It is a grave error and anathema to teach that) "the Church ought to be separated from the State, and the State from the Church"

(It is a grave error and anathema to teach that) "in the present day it is no longer expedient that the Catholic religion should be held as the only religion of the State, to the exclusion of all other forms of worship.

(It is a grave error and anathema to teach that) "every man is free to embrace and profess that religion which, guided by the light of reason, he shall consider true."

The preceding is taken from the 1864 Syllabus of Errors, never recanted and never amended. It condemns (1) the separation of church and state, (2) the public school system, (3) freedom of religion, and (4) freedom of the press, among other things.

It approves of a church-state and the use of force by the church.

I'd say that nothing much has changed.
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2/6/2015 9:16:09 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/6/2015 9:06:38 AM, lannan13 wrote:
At 2/6/2015 9:05:07 AM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 2/6/2015 8:42:59 AM, lannan13 wrote:
President compares the terror organization to the Christians during the Crusades at the National Prayer Breakfast. http://www.aol.com...
What are your reactions and comments?

That depends on what view one has of the Crusades:

"Some historians see the Crusades as part of a purely defensive war against Islamic conquest; some see them as part of long-running conflict at the frontiers of Europe; and others see them as confident, aggressive, papal-led expansion attempts by Western Christendom." wiki

Weather I'm right or wrong, I view the Crusades as an agressive offensive War to let Europe heal from the Muslum invasions.

There were many Crusades, large ones, smaller ones, all spanning a time frame of about 200 years during the worst of it. They are all pretty much trying to free up the lands conquered by Muslims.
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2/6/2015 9:17:08 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/6/2015 8:42:59 AM, lannan13 wrote:
President compares the terror organization to the Christians during the Crusades at the National Prayer Breakfast. http://www.aol.com...
What are your reactions and comments?

Yes. Rightfully so. I don't understand why people confuse what he is saying since it is crystal clear, he was condemning the fact that religion was used to justify these appalling acts, both in the crusades and in ISIS.

Later in that same video Obama clearly recognises that Islamic people are generally peaceful and don't even recognise these acts as Islam, so I really don't see how it is ambiguous.
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2/6/2015 9:17:13 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/6/2015 9:16:00 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 2/6/2015 8:59:15 AM, lannan13 wrote:
At 2/6/2015 8:57:02 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 2/6/2015 8:42:59 AM, lannan13 wrote:
President compares the terror organization to the Christians during the Crusades at the National Prayer Breakfast. http://www.aol.com...
What are your reactions and comments?

My comment is that he seemed to compare Catholics to ISIS. That's a pretty fair comparison. It still is. The Catholic Church is not much different than it ever was, really. Just go to a country that is nearly 100% Catholic and see how "tolerant" they are of Protestantism.

Things have changed since the 1500s.

(It is a grave error and anathema to teach that) "the Church has not the power of using force, nor has she any temporal power, direct or indirect."

(It is a grave error and anathema to teach that) "the best theory of civil society requires that popular schools open to children of every class of the people, and, generally, all public institutes intended for instruction in letters and philosophical sciences and for carrying on the education of youth, should be freed from all ecclesiastical authority, control and interference, and should be fully subjected to the civil and political power."

(It is a grave error and anathema to teach that) "the Church ought to be separated from the State, and the State from the Church"

(It is a grave error and anathema to teach that) "in the present day it is no longer expedient that the Catholic religion should be held as the only religion of the State, to the exclusion of all other forms of worship.

(It is a grave error and anathema to teach that) "every man is free to embrace and profess that religion which, guided by the light of reason, he shall consider true."

The preceding is taken from the 1864 Syllabus of Errors, never recanted and never amended. It condemns (1) the separation of church and state, (2) the public school system, (3) freedom of religion, and (4) freedom of the press, among other things.

It approves of a church-state and the use of force by the church.

I'd say that nothing much has changed.

Yeah I found the link. That's some pretty terrible things. http://www.papalencyclicals.net...
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"No one can make you feel inferior without your consent." "Eleanor Roosevelt

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2/6/2015 9:18:06 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/6/2015 9:16:09 AM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 2/6/2015 9:06:38 AM, lannan13 wrote:
At 2/6/2015 9:05:07 AM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 2/6/2015 8:42:59 AM, lannan13 wrote:
President compares the terror organization to the Christians during the Crusades at the National Prayer Breakfast. http://www.aol.com...
What are your reactions and comments?

That depends on what view one has of the Crusades:

"Some historians see the Crusades as part of a purely defensive war against Islamic conquest; some see them as part of long-running conflict at the frontiers of Europe; and others see them as confident, aggressive, papal-led expansion attempts by Western Christendom." wiki

Weather I'm right or wrong, I view the Crusades as an agressive offensive War to let Europe heal from the Muslum invasions.

There were many Crusades, large ones, smaller ones, all spanning a time frame of about 200 years during the worst of it. They are all pretty much trying to free up the lands conquered by Muslims.

Hence I said offensive.
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2/6/2015 9:23:22 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/6/2015 9:17:13 AM, lannan13 wrote:
At 2/6/2015 9:16:00 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 2/6/2015 8:59:15 AM, lannan13 wrote:
At 2/6/2015 8:57:02 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 2/6/2015 8:42:59 AM, lannan13 wrote:
President compares the terror organization to the Christians during the Crusades at the National Prayer Breakfast. http://www.aol.com...
What are your reactions and comments?

My comment is that he seemed to compare Catholics to ISIS. That's a pretty fair comparison. It still is. The Catholic Church is not much different than it ever was, really. Just go to a country that is nearly 100% Catholic and see how "tolerant" they are of Protestantism.

Things have changed since the 1500s.

(It is a grave error and anathema to teach that) "the Church has not the power of using force, nor has she any temporal power, direct or indirect."

(It is a grave error and anathema to teach that) "the best theory of civil society requires that popular schools open to children of every class of the people, and, generally, all public institutes intended for instruction in letters and philosophical sciences and for carrying on the education of youth, should be freed from all ecclesiastical authority, control and interference, and should be fully subjected to the civil and political power."

(It is a grave error and anathema to teach that) "the Church ought to be separated from the State, and the State from the Church"

(It is a grave error and anathema to teach that) "in the present day it is no longer expedient that the Catholic religion should be held as the only religion of the State, to the exclusion of all other forms of worship.

(It is a grave error and anathema to teach that) "every man is free to embrace and profess that religion which, guided by the light of reason, he shall consider true."

The preceding is taken from the 1864 Syllabus of Errors, never recanted and never amended. It condemns (1) the separation of church and state, (2) the public school system, (3) freedom of religion, and (4) freedom of the press, among other things.

It approves of a church-state and the use of force by the church.

I'd say that nothing much has changed.

Yeah I found the link. That's some pretty terrible things. http://www.papalencyclicals.net...

Indeed. And the thing is: that wasn't that long ago (1864). As far as I know, it has never been appended nor repealed. It's kinda tough to say, "Well, old Pius got it wrong" when Pius was supposedly infallible.
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2/6/2015 9:23:59 AM
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At 2/6/2015 9:18:06 AM, lannan13 wrote:
At 2/6/2015 9:16:09 AM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 2/6/2015 9:06:38 AM, lannan13 wrote:
At 2/6/2015 9:05:07 AM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 2/6/2015 8:42:59 AM, lannan13 wrote:
President compares the terror organization to the Christians during the Crusades at the National Prayer Breakfast. http://www.aol.com...
What are your reactions and comments?

That depends on what view one has of the Crusades:

"Some historians see the Crusades as part of a purely defensive war against Islamic conquest; some see them as part of long-running conflict at the frontiers of Europe; and others see them as confident, aggressive, papal-led expansion attempts by Western Christendom." wiki

Weather I'm right or wrong, I view the Crusades as an agressive offensive War to let Europe heal from the Muslum invasions.

There were many Crusades, large ones, smaller ones, all spanning a time frame of about 200 years during the worst of it. They are all pretty much trying to free up the lands conquered by Muslims.

Hence I said offensive.

Uh, I think that would be defensive considering it was the Muslims who were on the offensive, that's why they call it the Muslim Conquests.
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2/6/2015 9:25:19 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/6/2015 9:23:59 AM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 2/6/2015 9:18:06 AM, lannan13 wrote:
At 2/6/2015 9:16:09 AM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 2/6/2015 9:06:38 AM, lannan13 wrote:
At 2/6/2015 9:05:07 AM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 2/6/2015 8:42:59 AM, lannan13 wrote:
President compares the terror organization to the Christians during the Crusades at the National Prayer Breakfast. http://www.aol.com...
What are your reactions and comments?

That depends on what view one has of the Crusades:

"Some historians see the Crusades as part of a purely defensive war against Islamic conquest; some see them as part of long-running conflict at the frontiers of Europe; and others see them as confident, aggressive, papal-led expansion attempts by Western Christendom." wiki

Weather I'm right or wrong, I view the Crusades as an agressive offensive War to let Europe heal from the Muslum invasions.

There were many Crusades, large ones, smaller ones, all spanning a time frame of about 200 years during the worst of it. They are all pretty much trying to free up the lands conquered by Muslims.

Hence I said offensive.

Uh, I think that would be defensive considering it was the Muslims who were on the offensive, that's why they call it the Muslim Conquests.

Well yes, but when you invade someone else though it may be a counterattack in a defensive war it's still an attack.
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2/6/2015 9:32:58 AM
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At 2/6/2015 8:59:15 AM, lannan13 wrote:
At 2/6/2015 8:57:02 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 2/6/2015 8:42:59 AM, lannan13 wrote:
President compares the terror organization to the Christians during the Crusades at the National Prayer Breakfast. http://www.aol.com...
What are your reactions and comments?

My comment is that he seemed to compare Catholics to ISIS. That's a pretty fair comparison. It still is. The Catholic Church is not much different than it ever was, really. Just go to a country that is nearly 100% Catholic and see how "tolerant" they are of Protestantism.

Things have changed since the 1500s.

Hmmmmmmmmmm what about the paedophile priests who have abused so many children? The church has turned a blind eye right up until modern times, and could still be doing so!
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2/6/2015 9:34:23 AM
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At 2/6/2015 8:42:59 AM, lannan13 wrote:
President compares the terror organization to the Christians during the Crusades at the National Prayer Breakfast. http://www.aol.com...
What are your reactions and comments?

Obama has never ceased to show much of how an ignoramus he is when it comes to foreign policy. The crusaders intervened in Palestine because the pope wanted to protect Christian settlers in the region from the instability at the time.
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2/6/2015 9:34:26 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/6/2015 9:23:22 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 2/6/2015 9:17:13 AM, lannan13 wrote:
At 2/6/2015 9:16:00 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 2/6/2015 8:59:15 AM, lannan13 wrote:
At 2/6/2015 8:57:02 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 2/6/2015 8:42:59 AM, lannan13 wrote:
President compares the terror organization to the Christians during the Crusades at the National Prayer Breakfast. http://www.aol.com...
What are your reactions and comments?

My comment is that he seemed to compare Catholics to ISIS. That's a pretty fair comparison. It still is. The Catholic Church is not much different than it ever was, really. Just go to a country that is nearly 100% Catholic and see how "tolerant" they are of Protestantism.

Things have changed since the 1500s.

(It is a grave error and anathema to teach that) "the Church has not the power of using force, nor has she any temporal power, direct or indirect."

(It is a grave error and anathema to teach that) "the best theory of civil society requires that popular schools open to children of every class of the people, and, generally, all public institutes intended for instruction in letters and philosophical sciences and for carrying on the education of youth, should be freed from all ecclesiastical authority, control and interference, and should be fully subjected to the civil and political power."

(It is a grave error and anathema to teach that) "the Church ought to be separated from the State, and the State from the Church"

(It is a grave error and anathema to teach that) "in the present day it is no longer expedient that the Catholic religion should be held as the only religion of the State, to the exclusion of all other forms of worship.

(It is a grave error and anathema to teach that) "every man is free to embrace and profess that religion which, guided by the light of reason, he shall consider true."

The preceding is taken from the 1864 Syllabus of Errors, never recanted and never amended. It condemns (1) the separation of church and state, (2) the public school system, (3) freedom of religion, and (4) freedom of the press, among other things.

It approves of a church-state and the use of force by the church.

I'd say that nothing much has changed.

Yeah I found the link. That's some pretty terrible things. http://www.papalencyclicals.net...

Indeed. And the thing is: that wasn't that long ago (1864). As far as I know, it has never been appended nor repealed. It's kinda tough to say, "Well, old Pius got it wrong" when Pius was supposedly infallible.

True, that's some of the reasons why I left the Catholic church, but became Episcipalian.
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2/6/2015 9:36:27 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/6/2015 9:34:23 AM, DarthVitiosus wrote:
At 2/6/2015 8:42:59 AM, lannan13 wrote:
President compares the terror organization to the Christians during the Crusades at the National Prayer Breakfast. http://www.aol.com...
What are your reactions and comments?

Obama has never ceased to show much of how an ignoramus he is when it comes to foreign policy. The crusaders intervened in Palestine because the pope wanted to protect Christian settlers in the region from the instability at the time.

Hmmmmmmm!
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2/6/2015 9:36:38 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/6/2015 9:32:58 AM, JJ50 wrote:
At 2/6/2015 8:59:15 AM, lannan13 wrote:
At 2/6/2015 8:57:02 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 2/6/2015 8:42:59 AM, lannan13 wrote:
President compares the terror organization to the Christians during the Crusades at the National Prayer Breakfast. http://www.aol.com...
What are your reactions and comments?

My comment is that he seemed to compare Catholics to ISIS. That's a pretty fair comparison. It still is. The Catholic Church is not much different than it ever was, really. Just go to a country that is nearly 100% Catholic and see how "tolerant" they are of Protestantism.

Things have changed since the 1500s.

Hmmmmmmmmmm what about the paedophile priests who have abused so many children? The church has turned a blind eye right up until modern times, and could still be doing so!

That's a sterotype. That's like me saying all blacks are theives who do nothing, but collect welfare smoke crack, eat KFC, and watermellon. (this is an example I don't actually believe this)
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2/6/2015 9:38:49 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/6/2015 9:17:08 AM, Envisage wrote:
At 2/6/2015 8:42:59 AM, lannan13 wrote:
President compares the terror organization to the Christians during the Crusades at the National Prayer Breakfast. http://www.aol.com...
What are your reactions and comments?

Yes. Rightfully so. I don't understand why people confuse what he is saying since it is crystal clear, he was condemning the fact that religion was used to justify these appalling acts, both in the crusades and in ISIS.

Later in that same video Obama clearly recognises that Islamic people are generally peaceful and don't even recognise these acts as Islam, so I really don't see how it is ambiguous.

THIS. Seriously, this wasn't a hard point to grasp. This "outrage" is ridiculous.
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2/6/2015 9:44:43 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/6/2015 9:07:31 AM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 2/6/2015 9:03:43 AM, TN05 wrote:
At 2/6/2015 8:42:59 AM, lannan13 wrote:
President compares the terror organization to the Christians during the Crusades at the National Prayer Breakfast. http://www.aol.com...
What are your reactions and comments?

He's a fvcking moron, but that's progressivism for you - the sins people made 1,000 years ago justify the sins people make today.

Pretty sure you didn't actually listen to what he said if you think he's trying to "justify" the sins people make today. SMH

He's equating ISIS with Christian crusaders 500 years ago to try and make it seem like they aren't a unique phenomenon - to make it seem like we are fighting 'extremism', not radical Islamism. This is a view that is patently ridiculous.

Jordan's King Abdullah, who has said the long-term goal in the ISIS conflict should be to eliminate their ideology - and he didn't just limit it to ISIS, as he said that all of the Islamist groups are the same thing, just under a different label. King Abdullah recognizes we are not fighting 'extremism', but a brutal, radical variant of Islam, and that our goal should be the abolition of that worldview. Obama's moral relativism cannot let him see that should be the ultimate goal.
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2/6/2015 9:47:43 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/6/2015 9:44:43 AM, TN05 wrote:
At 2/6/2015 9:07:31 AM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 2/6/2015 9:03:43 AM, TN05 wrote:
At 2/6/2015 8:42:59 AM, lannan13 wrote:
President compares the terror organization to the Christians during the Crusades at the National Prayer Breakfast. http://www.aol.com...
What are your reactions and comments?

He's a fvcking moron, but that's progressivism for you - the sins people made 1,000 years ago justify the sins people make today.

Pretty sure you didn't actually listen to what he said if you think he's trying to "justify" the sins people make today. SMH

He's equating ISIS with Christian crusaders 500 years ago to try and make it seem like they aren't a unique phenomenon - to make it seem like we are fighting 'extremism', not radical Islamism. This is a view that is patently ridiculous.

Jordan's King Abdullah, who has said the long-term goal in the ISIS conflict should be to eliminate their ideology - and he didn't just limit it to ISIS, as he said that all of the Islamist groups are the same thing, just under a different label. King Abdullah recognizes we are not fighting 'extremism', but a brutal, radical variant of Islam, and that our goal should be the abolition of that worldview. Obama's moral relativism cannot let him see that should be the ultimate goal.

He also quoted Clint Eastwood, but Obama refused to aid Jordan though.
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2/6/2015 9:51:45 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/6/2015 9:34:26 AM, lannan13 wrote:
At 2/6/2015 9:23:22 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 2/6/2015 9:17:13 AM, lannan13 wrote:
At 2/6/2015 9:16:00 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 2/6/2015 8:59:15 AM, lannan13 wrote:
At 2/6/2015 8:57:02 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 2/6/2015 8:42:59 AM, lannan13 wrote:
President compares the terror organization to the Christians during the Crusades at the National Prayer Breakfast. http://www.aol.com...
What are your reactions and comments?

My comment is that he seemed to compare Catholics to ISIS. That's a pretty fair comparison. It still is. The Catholic Church is not much different than it ever was, really. Just go to a country that is nearly 100% Catholic and see how "tolerant" they are of Protestantism.

Things have changed since the 1500s.

(It is a grave error and anathema to teach that) "the Church has not the power of using force, nor has she any temporal power, direct or indirect."

(It is a grave error and anathema to teach that) "the best theory of civil society requires that popular schools open to children of every class of the people, and, generally, all public institutes intended for instruction in letters and philosophical sciences and for carrying on the education of youth, should be freed from all ecclesiastical authority, control and interference, and should be fully subjected to the civil and political power."

(It is a grave error and anathema to teach that) "the Church ought to be separated from the State, and the State from the Church"

(It is a grave error and anathema to teach that) "in the present day it is no longer expedient that the Catholic religion should be held as the only religion of the State, to the exclusion of all other forms of worship.

(It is a grave error and anathema to teach that) "every man is free to embrace and profess that religion which, guided by the light of reason, he shall consider true."

The preceding is taken from the 1864 Syllabus of Errors, never recanted and never amended. It condemns (1) the separation of church and state, (2) the public school system, (3) freedom of religion, and (4) freedom of the press, among other things.

It approves of a church-state and the use of force by the church.

I'd say that nothing much has changed.

Yeah I found the link. That's some pretty terrible things. http://www.papalencyclicals.net...

Indeed. And the thing is: that wasn't that long ago (1864). As far as I know, it has never been appended nor repealed. It's kinda tough to say, "Well, old Pius got it wrong" when Pius was supposedly infallible.

True, that's some of the reasons why I left the Catholic church, but became Episcipalian.

Yeah, and you know the difference between a Catholic priest and an Episcopalian priest, right? The Episcopalian failed Latin.
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2/6/2015 9:53:06 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/6/2015 9:51:45 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 2/6/2015 9:34:26 AM, lannan13 wrote:
At 2/6/2015 9:23:22 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 2/6/2015 9:17:13 AM, lannan13 wrote:
At 2/6/2015 9:16:00 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 2/6/2015 8:59:15 AM, lannan13 wrote:
At 2/6/2015 8:57:02 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 2/6/2015 8:42:59 AM, lannan13 wrote:
President compares the terror organization to the Christians during the Crusades at the National Prayer Breakfast. http://www.aol.com...
What are your reactions and comments?

My comment is that he seemed to compare Catholics to ISIS. That's a pretty fair comparison. It still is. The Catholic Church is not much different than it ever was, really. Just go to a country that is nearly 100% Catholic and see how "tolerant" they are of Protestantism.

Things have changed since the 1500s.

(It is a grave error and anathema to teach that) "the Church has not the power of using force, nor has she any temporal power, direct or indirect."

(It is a grave error and anathema to teach that) "the best theory of civil society requires that popular schools open to children of every class of the people, and, generally, all public institutes intended for instruction in letters and philosophical sciences and for carrying on the education of youth, should be freed from all ecclesiastical authority, control and interference, and should be fully subjected to the civil and political power."

(It is a grave error and anathema to teach that) "the Church ought to be separated from the State, and the State from the Church"

(It is a grave error and anathema to teach that) "in the present day it is no longer expedient that the Catholic religion should be held as the only religion of the State, to the exclusion of all other forms of worship.

(It is a grave error and anathema to teach that) "every man is free to embrace and profess that religion which, guided by the light of reason, he shall consider true."

The preceding is taken from the 1864 Syllabus of Errors, never recanted and never amended. It condemns (1) the separation of church and state, (2) the public school system, (3) freedom of religion, and (4) freedom of the press, among other things.

It approves of a church-state and the use of force by the church.

I'd say that nothing much has changed.

Yeah I found the link. That's some pretty terrible things. http://www.papalencyclicals.net...

Indeed. And the thing is: that wasn't that long ago (1864). As far as I know, it has never been appended nor repealed. It's kinda tough to say, "Well, old Pius got it wrong" when Pius was supposedly infallible.

True, that's some of the reasons why I left the Catholic church, but became Episcipalian.

Yeah, and you know the difference between a Catholic priest and an Episcopalian priest, right? The Episcopalian failed Latin.

Haha, Episcopalian Priests can marry while Catholics cannot.
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