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2/15/2015 6:01:56 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
A religion founded by John Smith a man who had wed 40 wives, many of whom were the age of 14 and younger. John Smith founded a church based on polygamy and a book he found in the outdoors and hallucinations he had of men telling him to found churches. Somehow he converted many people and led an officially racist organization for years until the discrimination ban was lifted in the 70's. Mormons today follow strict rules including not allowed to drink tea, coffee, Alchahol, smoke,cuss, and many many other rules. Members go on a two year mission to foreign lands with strict rules of non communication with their families. This excluded society is constantly monitored, almost like a Big Brother society. The Mormon church follows a head prophet who supposedly receives direct messages from God. Should this extreme religion be considered a cult?
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2/15/2015 6:16:01 PM
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They have plates and islam has choking , sorry Mormon have angles. sorry Islam has that to with their prophets. Wow
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2/15/2015 6:18:13 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
But > they had to have their own bible after that1. the angles and the choking and the killing, But their own bible! Satan plays the best of fools!Enjoy
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2/15/2015 6:19:24 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/15/2015 6:01:56 PM, Atheism_Debater wrote:
A religion founded by John Smith a man who had wed 40 wives, many of whom were the age of 14 and younger. John Smith founded a church based on polygamy and a book he found in the outdoors and hallucinations he had of men telling him to found churches. Somehow he converted many people and led an officially racist organization for years until the discrimination ban was lifted in the 70's. Mormons today follow strict rules including not allowed to drink tea, coffee, Alchahol, smoke,cuss, and many many other rules. Members go on a two year mission to foreign lands with strict rules of non communication with their families. This excluded society is constantly monitored, almost like a Big Brother society. The Mormon church follows a head prophet who supposedly receives direct messages from God. Should this extreme religion be considered a cult?

Sure they are a cult. Just like JWs are along with Roman Catholics and Pentecostal and The rest of the denominations that demand a person must choose to be saved, by whatever their doctrinal belief is... Some are just more dangerous than others...
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2/15/2015 7:00:32 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
2/15/2015 6:01:56 PM, Atheism_Debater wrote:
A religion founded by John Smith

*Joseph Smith

a man who had wed 40 wives,

He was religiously sealed to 40 wives. He didn't actually hang out with them or anything.

many of whom were the age of 14 and younger.

Which is was common at his time.

John Smith founded a church based on polygamy

Polygamy was needed at the time because there were more women than men.

and a book he found in the outdoors

Actually they were gold plates that an angel directed him to.

and hallucinations he had of men telling him to found churches.

Visions =/= hallucinations

Somehow he converted many people and led an officially racist organization for years until the discrimination ban was lifted in the 70's.

It wasn't a racist organization. It may have been a racist ban but keep in mind that this was back in the time of slavery where every white person thought of blacks as lower than them.

Mormons today follow strict rules including not allowed to drink tea, coffee, Alchahol, smoke,cuss, and many many other rules.

They're not really rules, they're guidelines. However, some of them are required for baptism.

Members go on a two year mission to foreign lands with strict rules of non communication with their families.

Men have 2 year missions, women have 18 month missions. Not all missions are foreign, and missionaries are allowed to send emails/letters to their families, and even Skype or call them twice a year.

This excluded society is constantly monitored, almost like a Big Brother society.

Not excluded, not mintored

The Mormon church follows a head prophet who supposedly receives direct messages from God.

Good job, you got one right.

Should this extreme religion be considered a cult?

It's not an extreme religion and it's not a cult. Look up the definition of cult and tell me what you find.

I recommend you do some actual research before repeating what you hear from the media.
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2/15/2015 7:08:42 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/15/2015 6:16:01 PM, Rant wrote:
They have plates and islam has choking , sorry Mormon have angles. sorry Islam has that to with their prophets. Wow

There is no religion that is not a cult.

There is a god that is not us.
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2/15/2015 7:29:59 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
There is no religion that is not a cult.BS !
I tell you, in that night there will be two (men) in one bed; the one will be taken and the other will be left. Two (women) will be grinding together the one will be taken and the other left. Two (men) will be in the field; the one will be taken and the other left.
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2/15/2015 7:50:30 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/15/2015 7:29:59 PM, Rant wrote:
There is no religion that is not a cult.BS !
I tell you, in that night there will be two (men) in one bed; the one will be taken and the other will be left. Two (women) will be grinding together the one will be taken and the other left. Two (men) will be in the field; the one will be taken and the other left.

You some kind of Homosexual weirdo religion ?
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2/15/2015 7:54:59 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Why do I say that????? Mormon prophecy says there has to be one in power to save America!> look into it. and America is ats end.
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2/15/2015 7:56:00 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/15/2015 7:00:32 PM, Varrack wrote:
2/15/2015 6:01:56 PM, Atheism_Debater wrote:
A religion founded by John Smith

*Joseph Smith

a man who had wed 40 wives,

He was religiously sealed to 40 wives. He didn't actually hang out with them or anything.

many of whom were the age of 14 and younger.

Which is was common at his time.

John Smith founded a church based on polygamy

Polygamy was needed at the time because there were more women than men.

and a book he found in the outdoors

Actually they were gold plates that an angel directed him to.

and hallucinations he had of men telling him to found churches.

Visions =/= hallucinations

Somehow he converted many people and led an officially racist organization for years until the discrimination ban was lifted in the 70's.

It wasn't a racist organization. It may have been a racist ban but keep in mind that this was back in the time of slavery where every white person thought of blacks as lower than them.

Mormons today follow strict rules including not allowed to drink tea, coffee, Alchahol, smoke,cuss, and many many other rules.

They're not really rules, they're guidelines. However, some of them are required for baptism.

Members go on a two year mission to foreign lands with strict rules of non communication with their families.

Men have 2 year missions, women have 18 month missions. Not all missions are foreign, and missionaries are allowed to send emails/letters to their families, and even Skype or call them twice a year.

This excluded society is constantly monitored, almost like a Big Brother society.

Not excluded, not mintored

The Mormon church follows a head prophet who supposedly receives direct messages from God.

Good job, you got one right.

Should this extreme religion be considered a cult?

It's not an extreme religion and it's not a cult. Look up the definition of cult and tell me what you find.

I recommend you do some actual research before repeating what you hear from the media.

You sound just like the Muslims trying to defend their pedophile hero Muhammad...

Joseph Smith was just another Child rapist, you attempt to defend...
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2/15/2015 8:00:29 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
I have slept with many men in bed and not with Sex >just to sleep. Iron your the one is Sick!
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2/15/2015 8:02:54 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/15/2015 7:56:00 PM, IRONHIDE wrote:
At 2/15/2015 7:00:32 PM, Varrack wrote:
2/15/2015 6:01:56 PM, Atheism_Debater wrote:
A religion founded by John Smith

*Joseph Smith

a man who had wed 40 wives,

He was religiously sealed to 40 wives. He didn't actually hang out with them or anything.

many of whom were the age of 14 and younger.

Which is was common at his time.

John Smith founded a church based on polygamy

Polygamy was needed at the time because there were more women than men.

and a book he found in the outdoors

Actually they were gold plates that an angel directed him to.

and hallucinations he had of men telling him to found churches.

Visions =/= hallucinations

Somehow he converted many people and led an officially racist organization for years until the discrimination ban was lifted in the 70's.

It wasn't a racist organization. It may have been a racist ban but keep in mind that this was back in the time of slavery where every white person thought of blacks as lower than them.

Mormons today follow strict rules including not allowed to drink tea, coffee, Alchahol, smoke,cuss, and many many other rules.

They're not really rules, they're guidelines. However, some of them are required for baptism.

Members go on a two year mission to foreign lands with strict rules of non communication with their families.

Men have 2 year missions, women have 18 month missions. Not all missions are foreign, and missionaries are allowed to send emails/letters to their families, and even Skype or call them twice a year.

This excluded society is constantly monitored, almost like a Big Brother society.

Not excluded, not mintored

The Mormon church follows a head prophet who supposedly receives direct messages from God.

Good job, you got one right.

Should this extreme religion be considered a cult?

It's not an extreme religion and it's not a cult. Look up the definition of cult and tell me what you find.

I recommend you do some actual research before repeating what you hear from the media.

You sound just like the Muslims trying to defend their pedophile hero Muhammad...

Joseph Smith was just another Child rapist, you attempt to defend...

He wasn't. That's a misconception, and a bare assertion at that.
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2/15/2015 8:14:46 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/15/2015 6:19:24 PM, IRONHIDE wrote:
At 2/15/2015 6:01:56 PM, Atheism_Debater wrote:
A religion founded by John Smith a man who had wed 40 wives, many of whom were the age of 14 and younger. John Smith founded a church based on polygamy and a book he found in the outdoors and hallucinations he had of men telling him to found churches. Somehow he converted many people and led an officially racist organization for years until the discrimination ban was lifted in the 70's. Mormons today follow strict rules including not allowed to drink tea, coffee, Alchahol, smoke,cuss, and many many other rules. Members go on a two year mission to foreign lands with strict rules of non communication with their families. This excluded society is constantly monitored, almost like a Big Brother society. The Mormon church follows a head prophet who supposedly receives direct messages from God. Should this extreme religion be considered a cult?

Sure they are a cult. Just like JWs are along with Roman Catholics and Pentecostal and The rest of the denominations that demand a person must choose to be saved, by whatever their doctrinal belief is... Some are just more dangerous than others...

Do you know what the definition of a cult is?
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2/15/2015 8:15:05 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/15/2015 8:03:28 PM, Rant wrote:
Its to the point with you Iron > I will not respond to you any more!

Your the one who, comes in to my threads and say insulting, crude and childish remarks, when I am trying to engage in intellectual conversation with others.

Then you say something like you said here, that was a clear misrepresentation concerning a scriptural passage and wrote it, in a manner that implied Homosexuality, and I question what you were implying.... and you get your panties all in a wad...

Here is the actual verse,

"Then there will be two men in the field; one will be taken and one will be left. 41"Two women will be grinding at the mill; one will be taken and one will be left. 42"Therefore be on the alert, for you do not know which day your Lord is coming

Nothing about two men in bed together or two woman just Grinding... like lesbos, like you wrote it to imply.
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2/15/2015 8:21:19 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/15/2015 8:14:46 PM, Varrack wrote:
At 2/15/2015 6:19:24 PM, IRONHIDE wrote:
At 2/15/2015 6:01:56 PM, Atheism_Debater wrote:
A religion founded by John Smith a man who had wed 40 wives, many of whom were the age of 14 and younger. John Smith founded a church based on polygamy and a book he found in the outdoors and hallucinations he had of men telling him to found churches. Somehow he converted many people and led an officially racist organization for years until the discrimination ban was lifted in the 70's. Mormons today follow strict rules including not allowed to drink tea, coffee, Alchahol, smoke,cuss, and many many other rules. Members go on a two year mission to foreign lands with strict rules of non communication with their families. This excluded society is constantly monitored, almost like a Big Brother society. The Mormon church follows a head prophet who supposedly receives direct messages from God. Should this extreme religion be considered a cult?

Sure they are a cult. Just like JWs are along with Roman Catholics and Pentecostal and The rest of the denominations that demand a person must choose to be saved, by whatever their doctrinal belief is... Some are just more dangerous than others...

Do you know what the definition of a cult is?

a small religious group that is not part of a larger and more accepted religion and that has beliefs regarded by many people as extreme or dangerous

a situation in which people admire and care about something or someone very much or too much

a small group of very devoted supporters or fans

Full Definition of CULT

1

formal religious veneration : worship

2

a system of religious beliefs and ritual; also : its body of adherents

3

a religion regarded as unorthodox or spurious; also : its body of adherents

4

a system for the cure of disease based on dogma set forth by its promulgator <health cults>

5

a : great devotion to a person, idea, object, movement, or work (as a film or book); especially : such devotion regarded as a literary or intellectual fad

b : the object of such devotion

c : a usually small group of people characterized by such devotion

Mormons, Jws , Catholics, Baptist, Pentecostals, Seventh day, Islam etc...

http://www.merriam-webster.com...
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2/15/2015 8:26:29 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/15/2015 8:02:54 PM, Varrack wrote:
At 2/15/2015 7:56:00 PM, IRONHIDE wrote:
At 2/15/2015 7:00:32 PM, Varrack wrote:
2/15/2015 6:01:56 PM, Atheism_Debater wrote:
A religion founded by John Smith

*Joseph Smith

a man who had wed 40 wives,

He was religiously sealed to 40 wives. He didn't actually hang out with them or anything.

many of whom were the age of 14 and younger.

Which is was common at his time.

John Smith founded a church based on polygamy

Polygamy was needed at the time because there were more women than men.

and a book he found in the outdoors

Actually they were gold plates that an angel directed him to.

and hallucinations he had of men telling him to found churches.

Visions =/= hallucinations

Somehow he converted many people and led an officially racist organization for years until the discrimination ban was lifted in the 70's.

It wasn't a racist organization. It may have been a racist ban but keep in mind that this was back in the time of slavery where every white person thought of blacks as lower than them.

Mormons today follow strict rules including not allowed to drink tea, coffee, Alchahol, smoke,cuss, and many many other rules.

They're not really rules, they're guidelines. However, some of them are required for baptism.

Members go on a two year mission to foreign lands with strict rules of non communication with their families.

Men have 2 year missions, women have 18 month missions. Not all missions are foreign, and missionaries are allowed to send emails/letters to their families, and even Skype or call them twice a year.

This excluded society is constantly monitored, almost like a Big Brother society.

Not excluded, not mintored

The Mormon church follows a head prophet who supposedly receives direct messages from God.

Good job, you got one right.

Should this extreme religion be considered a cult?

It's not an extreme religion and it's not a cult. Look up the definition of cult and tell me what you find.

I recommend you do some actual research before repeating what you hear from the media.

You sound just like the Muslims trying to defend their pedophile hero Muhammad...

Joseph Smith was just another Child rapist, you attempt to defend...

He wasn't. That's a misconception, and a bare assertion at that.

Any one who sexually violates a child is a child rapist. No misconception about it. Girls 14 and younger have not fully developed physically or mentally and for Joseph Smith or Muhammad to have done so, is sick and were child rapist, taking and violating the innocents of undeveloped children. No matter how you spin it.
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2/15/2015 8:29:01 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/15/2015 8:21:19 PM, IRONHIDE wrote:
At 2/15/2015 8:14:46 PM, Varrack wrote:
At 2/15/2015 6:19:24 PM, IRONHIDE wrote:
At 2/15/2015 6:01:56 PM, Atheism_Debater wrote:
A religion founded by John Smith a man who had wed 40 wives, many of whom were the age of 14 and younger. John Smith founded a church based on polygamy and a book he found in the outdoors and hallucinations he had of men telling him to found churches. Somehow he converted many people and led an officially racist organization for years until the discrimination ban was lifted in the 70's. Mormons today follow strict rules including not allowed to drink tea, coffee, Alchahol, smoke,cuss, and many many other rules. Members go on a two year mission to foreign lands with strict rules of non communication with their families. This excluded society is constantly monitored, almost like a Big Brother society. The Mormon church follows a head prophet who supposedly receives direct messages from God. Should this extreme religion be considered a cult?

Sure they are a cult. Just like JWs are along with Roman Catholics and Pentecostal and The rest of the denominations that demand a person must choose to be saved, by whatever their doctrinal belief is... Some are just more dangerous than others...

Do you know what the definition of a cult is?

a small religious group that is not part of a larger and more accepted religion and that has beliefs regarded by many people as extreme or dangerous

Some people regard all religions as extreme or dangerous, so by this definition every religion is a cult.

a situation in which people admire and care about something or someone very much or too much

a small group of very devoted supporters or fans

Full Definition of CULT


1

formal religious veneration : worship

So every religion.

2

a system of religious beliefs and ritual; also : its body of adherents

Every religion.

3

a religion regarded as unorthodox or spurious; also : its body of adherents

Catholics regard Protestants as unorthodox and vice versa. Some non mainstream religions regard mainstream ones to be unorthodox. So again, everyone's a cult here.

4

a system for the cure of disease based on dogma set forth by its promulgator <health cults>

Lol

5

a : great devotion to a person, idea, object, movement, or work (as a film or book); especially : such devotion regarded as a literary or intellectual fad

Lol

b : the object of such devotion

c : a usually small group of people characterized by such devotion

Mormons, Jws , Catholics, Baptist, Pentecostals, Seventh day, Islam etc...

http://www.merriam-webster.com...

No, every religion is a cult by these definitions.
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2/15/2015 8:30:47 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/15/2015 8:26:29 PM, IRONHIDE wrote:
At 2/15/2015 8:02:54 PM, Varrack wrote:
At 2/15/2015 7:56:00 PM, IRONHIDE wrote:
At 2/15/2015 7:00:32 PM, Varrack wrote:
2/15/2015 6:01:56 PM, Atheism_Debater wrote:
A religion founded by John Smith

*Joseph Smith

a man who had wed 40 wives,

He was religiously sealed to 40 wives. He didn't actually hang out with them or anything.

many of whom were the age of 14 and younger.

Which is was common at his time.

John Smith founded a church based on polygamy

Polygamy was needed at the time because there were more women than men.

and a book he found in the outdoors

Actually they were gold plates that an angel directed him to.

and hallucinations he had of men telling him to found churches.

Visions =/= hallucinations

Somehow he converted many people and led an officially racist organization for years until the discrimination ban was lifted in the 70's.

It wasn't a racist organization. It may have been a racist ban but keep in mind that this was back in the time of slavery where every white person thought of blacks as lower than them.

Mormons today follow strict rules including not allowed to drink tea, coffee, Alchahol, smoke,cuss, and many many other rules.

They're not really rules, they're guidelines. However, some of them are required for baptism.

Members go on a two year mission to foreign lands with strict rules of non communication with their families.

Men have 2 year missions, women have 18 month missions. Not all missions are foreign, and missionaries are allowed to send emails/letters to their families, and even Skype or call them twice a year.

This excluded society is constantly monitored, almost like a Big Brother society.

Not excluded, not mintored

The Mormon church follows a head prophet who supposedly receives direct messages from God.

Good job, you got one right.

Should this extreme religion be considered a cult?

It's not an extreme religion and it's not a cult. Look up the definition of cult and tell me what you find.

I recommend you do some actual research before repeating what you hear from the media.

You sound just like the Muslims trying to defend their pedophile hero Muhammad...

Joseph Smith was just another Child rapist, you attempt to defend...

He wasn't. That's a misconception, and a bare assertion at that.

Any one who sexually violates a child is a child rapist. No misconception about it. Girls 14 and younger have not fully developed physically or mentally and for Joseph Smith or Muhammad to have done so, is sick and were child rapist, taking and violating the innocents of undeveloped children. No matter how you spin it.

Joseph Smith was not a child rapist. You're just spouting random trash. Give me a source for this.
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2/15/2015 8:39:05 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/15/2015 8:30:47 PM, Varrack wrote:
At 2/15/2015 8:26:29 PM, IRONHIDE wrote:
At 2/15/2015 8:02:54 PM, Varrack wrote:
At 2/15/2015 7:56:00 PM, IRONHIDE wrote:
At 2/15/2015 7:00:32 PM, Varrack wrote:
2/15/2015 6:01:56 PM, Atheism_Debater wrote:
A religion founded by John Smith

*Joseph Smith

a man who had wed 40 wives,

He was religiously sealed to 40 wives. He didn't actually hang out with them or anything.

many of whom were the age of 14 and younger.

Which is was common at his time.

John Smith founded a church based on polygamy

Polygamy was needed at the time because there were more women than men.

and a book he found in the outdoors

Actually they were gold plates that an angel directed him to.

and hallucinations he had of men telling him to found churches.

Visions =/= hallucinations

Somehow he converted many people and led an officially racist organization for years until the discrimination ban was lifted in the 70's.

It wasn't a racist organization. It may have been a racist ban but keep in mind that this was back in the time of slavery where every white person thought of blacks as lower than them.

Mormons today follow strict rules including not allowed to drink tea, coffee, Alchahol, smoke,cuss, and many many other rules.

They're not really rules, they're guidelines. However, some of them are required for baptism.

Members go on a two year mission to foreign lands with strict rules of non communication with their families.

Men have 2 year missions, women have 18 month missions. Not all missions are foreign, and missionaries are allowed to send emails/letters to their families, and even Skype or call them twice a year.

This excluded society is constantly monitored, almost like a Big Brother society.

Not excluded, not mintored

The Mormon church follows a head prophet who supposedly receives direct messages from God.

Good job, you got one right.

Should this extreme religion be considered a cult?

It's not an extreme religion and it's not a cult. Look up the definition of cult and tell me what you find.

I recommend you do some actual research before repeating what you hear from the media.

You sound just like the Muslims trying to defend their pedophile hero Muhammad...

Joseph Smith was just another Child rapist, you attempt to defend...

He wasn't. That's a misconception, and a bare assertion at that.

Any one who sexually violates a child is a child rapist. No misconception about it. Girls 14 and younger have not fully developed physically or mentally and for Joseph Smith or Muhammad to have done so, is sick and were child rapist, taking and violating the innocents of undeveloped children. No matter how you spin it.

Joseph Smith was not a child rapist. You're just spouting random trash. Give me a source for this.

Your the one who acknowledged, he was, when you responded to the OP about him taking wives at the age of 14 and younger, by saying " It was a common practice at that time" Well you know what...A lot of other sick practices were common at that time like a lot of sic practices were common before his time and today, for that matter. That does not justify it.

You being a Mormon, Know good and well your founder engaged with little girls 14 and younger. But it is justifiable in your sick religion, just like it is justified by the Muslims that Muhammad did it and think it was divine.
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2/15/2015 8:44:16 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/15/2015 8:39:05 PM, IRONHIDE wrote:
At 2/15/2015 8:30:47 PM, Varrack wrote:
At 2/15/2015 8:26:29 PM, IRONHIDE wrote:
At 2/15/2015 8:02:54 PM, Varrack wrote:
At 2/15/2015 7:56:00 PM, IRONHIDE wrote:
At 2/15/2015 7:00:32 PM, Varrack wrote:
2/15/2015 6:01:56 PM, Atheism_Debater wrote:
A religion founded by John Smith

*Joseph Smith

a man who had wed 40 wives,

He was religiously sealed to 40 wives. He didn't actually hang out with them or anything.

many of whom were the age of 14 and younger.

Which is was common at his time.

John Smith founded a church based on polygamy

Polygamy was needed at the time because there were more women than men.

and a book he found in the outdoors

Actually they were gold plates that an angel directed him to.

and hallucinations he had of men telling him to found churches.

Visions =/= hallucinations

Somehow he converted many people and led an officially racist organization for years until the discrimination ban was lifted in the 70's.

It wasn't a racist organization. It may have been a racist ban but keep in mind that this was back in the time of slavery where every white person thought of blacks as lower than them.

Mormons today follow strict rules including not allowed to drink tea, coffee, Alchahol, smoke,cuss, and many many other rules.

They're not really rules, they're guidelines. However, some of them are required for baptism.

Members go on a two year mission to foreign lands with strict rules of non communication with their families.

Men have 2 year missions, women have 18 month missions. Not all missions are foreign, and missionaries are allowed to send emails/letters to their families, and even Skype or call them twice a year.

This excluded society is constantly monitored, almost like a Big Brother society.

Not excluded, not mintored

The Mormon church follows a head prophet who supposedly receives direct messages from God.

Good job, you got one right.

Should this extreme religion be considered a cult?

It's not an extreme religion and it's not a cult. Look up the definition of cult and tell me what you find.

I recommend you do some actual research before repeating what you hear from the media.

You sound just like the Muslims trying to defend their pedophile hero Muhammad...

Joseph Smith was just another Child rapist, you attempt to defend...

He wasn't. That's a misconception, and a bare assertion at that.

Any one who sexually violates a child is a child rapist. No misconception about it. Girls 14 and younger have not fully developed physically or mentally and for Joseph Smith or Muhammad to have done so, is sick and were child rapist, taking and violating the innocents of undeveloped children. No matter how you spin it.

Joseph Smith was not a child rapist. You're just spouting random trash. Give me a source for this.

Your the one who acknowledged, he was, when you responded to the OP about him taking wives at the age of 14 and younger, by saying " It was a common practice at that time" Well you know what...A lot of other sick practices were common at that time like a lot of sic practices were common before his time and today, for that matter. That does not justify it.

You being a Mormon, Know good and well your founder engaged with little girls 14 and younger. But it is justifiable in your sick religion, just like it is justified by the Muslims that Muhammad did it and think it was divine.

He did not engage with little girls. He was sealed to them, meaning that he was bonded with them in an eternal sense. It doesn't mean that he had sex with them, like you are assuming.
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2/15/2015 9:01:26 PM
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Joseph Smith was not a child rapist. You're just spouting random trash. Give me a source for this.

Your the one who acknowledged, he was, when you responded to the OP about him taking wives at the age of 14 and younger, by saying " It was a common practice at that time" Well you know what...A lot of other sick practices were common at that time like a lot of sic practices were common before his time and today, for that matter. That does not justify it.

You being a Mormon, Know good and well your founder engaged with little girls 14 and younger. But it is justifiable in your sick religion, just like it is justified by the Muslims that Muhammad did it and think it was divine.

Perhaps I can offer a bit of information here. Of all the women to whom Joseph Smith was sealed, only one was 14, two months from her 15th birthday. She was the youngest of them all. So it's quite ignorant to say that he "...engaged with little girls 14 and younger.", when the statement is absolutely untrue.

The 14 year old girl in question was Helen Mar Kimball. She did not approach Joseph and he did not approach her. Helen's parents, wanting an eternal connection with Joseph's family, as it was taught among the Mormons, asked Joseph to be sealed to their daughter. After the sealing, Helen continued to live with her parents. There is zero evidence that the sealing was consummated. To the contrary, all the women to whom Joseph was sealed while he was alive bore children with other men after his death, but none with Joseph Smith, save for his first wife, Emma. If he was the sexual deviant he is often accused of being, then he likely would have fathered children with more than his first wife. Add to that Emma's extreme dislike for plural marriage. Joseph was walking on very thin ice, and would have avoided disrupting the marriage he valued most by sharing a bed with another woman. There is absolutely no evidence that the sealings to all but Joseph's first wife were anything more than religious ceremony.
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2/15/2015 9:18:31 PM
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The 14 year old girl in question was Helen Mar Kimball. She did not approach Joseph and he did not approach her. Helen's parents, wanting an eternal connection with Joseph's family, as it was taught among the Mormons, asked Joseph to be sealed to their daughter. After the sealing, Helen continued to live with her parents. There is zero evidence that the sealing was consummated. To the contrary, all the women to whom Joseph was sealed while he was alive bore children with other men after his death, but none with Joseph Smith, save for his first wife, Emma. If he was the sexual deviant he is often accused of being, then he likely would have fathered children with more than his first wife. Add to that Emma's extreme dislike for plural marriage. Joseph was walking on very thin ice, and would have avoided disrupting the marriage he valued most by sharing a bed with another woman. There is absolutely no evidence that the sealings to all but Joseph's first wife were anything more than religious ceremony.>YA!> so tell me about the Gold Plates. I really would like to now from one so wise?
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2/15/2015 9:20:44 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/15/2015 9:18:31 PM, Rant wrote:
The 14 year old girl in question was Helen Mar Kimball. She did not approach Joseph and he did not approach her. Helen's parents, wanting an eternal connection with Joseph's family, as it was taught among the Mormons, asked Joseph to be sealed to their daughter. After the sealing, Helen continued to live with her parents. There is zero evidence that the sealing was consummated. To the contrary, all the women to whom Joseph was sealed while he was alive bore children with other men after his death, but none with Joseph Smith, save for his first wife, Emma. If he was the sexual deviant he is often accused of being, then he likely would have fathered children with more than his first wife. Add to that Emma's extreme dislike for plural marriage. Joseph was walking on very thin ice, and would have avoided disrupting the marriage he valued most by sharing a bed with another woman. There is absolutely no evidence that the sealings to all but Joseph's first wife were anything more than religious ceremony.>YA!> so tell me about the Gold Plates. I really would like to know from one so wise?
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2/15/2015 9:26:00 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/15/2015 9:18:31 PM, Rant wrote:
The 14 year old girl in question was Helen Mar Kimball. She did not approach Joseph and he did not approach her. Helen's parents, wanting an eternal connection with Joseph's family, as it was taught among the Mormons, asked Joseph to be sealed to their daughter. After the sealing, Helen continued to live with her parents. There is zero evidence that the sealing was consummated. To the contrary, all the women to whom Joseph was sealed while he was alive bore children with other men after his death, but none with Joseph Smith, save for his first wife, Emma. If he was the sexual deviant he is often accused of being, then he likely would have fathered children with more than his first wife. Add to that Emma's extreme dislike for plural marriage. Joseph was walking on very thin ice, and would have avoided disrupting the marriage he valued most by sharing a bed with another woman. There is absolutely no evidence that the sealings to all but Joseph's first wife were anything more than religious ceremony.>YA!> so tell me about the Gold Plates. I really would like to now from one so wise?

No one can tell you anything Rant. By all appearances, you are a religiously deranged man who just does what the voices tell him to do.
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2/16/2015 2:39:25 AM
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At 2/15/2015 6:01:56 PM, Atheism_Debater wrote:
A religion founded by John Smith a man who had wed 40 wives, many of whom were the age of 14 and younger. John Smith founded a church based on polygamy and a book he found in the outdoors and hallucinations he had of men telling him to found churches. Somehow he converted many people and led an officially racist organization for years until the discrimination ban was lifted in the 70's. Mormons today follow strict rules including not allowed to drink tea, coffee, Alchahol, smoke,cuss, and many many other rules. Members go on a two year mission to foreign lands with strict rules of non communication with their families. This excluded society is constantly monitored, almost like a Big Brother society. The Mormon church follows a head prophet who supposedly receives direct messages from God. Should this extreme religion be considered a cult?

All religions of this world are cults. Not one of them can deliver the Truth to a man.
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2/25/2015 4:15:37 AM
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Dear Latter-Day Saints (Mormons),

Joseph Smith, Jr. (December 23,1805 - June 27,1844) was the founder of the Latter Day Saints movement, commonly known as Mormonism.

Joseph Smith said:
I have more to boast of than ever any man had.
I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together
since the days of Adam...Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it.

I boast that no man ever did such a work as I.
The followers of Jesus ran away from Him,
but the Latter-day Saints never ran away from me yet.

Reference: Journal of Discourse, vol.6, pages 408,409.

The Holy Bible says,
Why do you boast of evil, you mighty man?
Why do you boast all day long,
You who are a disgrace in the eyes of God?
(Psalm 52:1).

They pour out arrogant words;
all the evildoers are full of boasting.
(Psalm 94:4).

As it is, you boast and brag.
All such boasting is evil.
(James 4:16).

Furthermore, Bruce R. McConkie said,
If it had not been for Joseph Smith and the restoration,
there would be no salvation.
--Bruce R. McConkie Mormon Doctrine, p. 670.

The Holy Bible says,
"Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord (Jesus Christ) will be saved."
(Romans 10:13).

Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven
given to men by which we must be saved. (Acts 4:12).

Who are you (Mormons) going to entrust your soul to-
Joseph Smith or Jesus Christ?


At 2/15/2015 6:01:56 PM, Atheism_Debater wrote:
A religion founded by John Smith a man who had wed 40 wives, many of whom were the age of 14 and younger. John Smith founded a church based on polygamy and a book he found in the outdoors and hallucinations he had of men telling him to found churches. Somehow he converted many people and led an officially racist organization for years until the discrimination ban was lifted in the 70's. Mormons today follow strict rules including not allowed to drink tea, coffee, Alchahol, smoke,cuss, and many many other rules. Members go on a two year mission to foreign lands with strict rules of non communication with their families. This excluded society is constantly monitored, almost like a Big Brother society. The Mormon church follows a head prophet who supposedly receives direct messages from God. Should this extreme religion be considered a cult?