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drpiek
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2/15/2015 10:25:46 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
The biggest gift of the eastern religions and the biggest flaw of the western religions is the understanding of Ego. Abrahamnic religions like Judaism, Christianity, and Islam suffer from overzealous ego. To assume they are the whole truth, the only truth. To assume others who do not follow their ways will go to hell. To assume their version of God is bigger, better, the king of gods is simply like measuring d*ck size.
Once you realize there is only one god, and god has no chosen religion, chosen path, or chosen people the truth becomes known. You are no better than anyone else in this world, neither is your religion, or faith. Being a theist is not better than being atheist or agnostic. When you experience ego loss, you realize who you are.
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2/15/2015 11:29:16 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/15/2015 10:25:46 PM, drpiek wrote:
To assume they are the whole truth, the only truth.

That doesn't have anything to do with having an ego. That has to do with logic. If A is true, then "not-A" is false. So naturally, anybody who subscribes to a religion is going to think that religion is true (otherwise, why subscribe to it), and if they think their religion is true, then any religion that contradicts it (which every other religion does) is going to be false.

To assume others who do not follow their ways will go to hell.

I don't see what that has to do with ego. If one thinks X is wrong and that God is the ultimate judge is going to think people who do X is going to be punished. That's no more egotistical than a person who thinks that X is illegal and that anybody who does X is going to be prosecuted.

Being a theist is not better than being atheist or agnostic.

If it's better to believe true things than false things, then it's either better to be a theist or it's better to be an atheist because either God exists or he doesn't.
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bornofgod
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2/16/2015 2:41:15 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/15/2015 10:25:46 PM, drpiek wrote:
The biggest gift of the eastern religions and the biggest flaw of the western religions is the understanding of Ego. Abrahamnic religions like Judaism, Christianity, and Islam suffer from overzealous ego. To assume they are the whole truth, the only truth. To assume others who do not follow their ways will go to hell. To assume their version of God is bigger, better, the king of gods is simply like measuring d*ck size.
Once you realize there is only one god, and god has no chosen religion, chosen path, or chosen people the truth becomes known. You are no better than anyone else in this world, neither is your religion, or faith. Being a theist is not better than being atheist or agnostic. When you experience ego loss, you realize who you are.

Who are you?
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2/16/2015 3:22:41 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/15/2015 10:25:46 PM, drpiek wrote:
The biggest gift of the eastern religions and the biggest flaw of the western religions is the understanding of Ego. Abrahamnic religions like Judaism, Christianity, and Islam suffer from overzealous ego. To assume they are the whole truth, the only truth. To assume others who do not follow their ways will go to hell. To assume their version of God is bigger, better, the king of gods is simply like measuring d*ck size.
Once you realize there is only one god, and god has no chosen religion, chosen path, or chosen people the truth becomes known. You are no better than anyone else in this world, neither is your religion, or faith. Being a theist is not better than being atheist or agnostic. When you experience ego loss, you realize who you are.

Religion is the way of livling according to God wills and then there must be just one way, mustn't it?
But there are many religions, because human corrupted the original message,through history.

Actually, there is one God and He wants to be known, first of all. But apart from believers in God must be set apart disbelievers, because they don't believe.
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2/16/2015 4:55:35 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/15/2015 11:29:16 PM, philochristos wrote:
At 2/15/2015 10:25:46 PM, drpiek wrote:
To assume they are the whole truth, the only truth.

That doesn't have anything to do with having an ego. That has to do with logic. If A is true, then "not-A" is false. So naturally, anybody who subscribes to a religion is going to think that religion is true (otherwise, why subscribe to it), and if they think their religion is true, then any religion that contradicts it (which every other religion does) is going to be false.

To assume others who do not follow their ways will go to hell.

I don't see what that has to do with ego. If one thinks X is wrong and that God is the ultimate judge is going to think people who do X is going to be punished. That's no more egotistical than a person who thinks that X is illegal and that anybody who does X is going to be prosecuted.

Being a theist is not better than being atheist or agnostic.

If it's better to believe true things than false things, then it's either better to be a theist or it's better to be an atheist because either God exists or he doesn't.

I was going to post to this thread but there's nothing left of the original argument.
drpiek
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2/16/2015 7:25:54 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/15/2015 11:29:16 PM, philochristos wrote:
At 2/15/2015 10:25:46 PM, drpiek wrote:
To assume they are the whole truth, the only truth.

That doesn't have anything to do with having an ego. That has to do with logic. If A is true, then "not-A" is false. So naturally, anybody who subscribes to a religion is going to think that religion is true (otherwise, why subscribe to it), and if they think their religion is true, then any religion that contradicts it (which every other religion does) is going to be false.

It is Ego, Look up the whole meaning of Ego. The assumption that a person gains self worth because they follow the "true" religion. The problem is within the limited mind scope you suggest where "If A=True then Not A =False" There can be many truths.

Here is your little A=True, Not A=False as i see it for religion.

My Apple is the best Apple, since your apple is not the same as my apple it is not the best apple.

If religion is a path to God, which path is True? The most direct, the most scenic, the most caring,....? If the most direct path is the True path, is the most caring path false?


To assume others who do not follow their ways will go to hell.

I don't see what that has to do with ego. If one thinks X is wrong and that God is the ultimate judge is going to think people who do X is going to be punished. That's no more egotistical than a person who thinks that X is illegal and that anybody who does X is going to be prosecuted.

Again, for western religions the assumption is that everyone does X (sin), but god will save those who follow my religion. This is ego. My religion is better than your.

Being a theist is not better than being atheist or agnostic.

If it's better to believe true things than false things, then it's either better to be a theist or it's better to be an atheist because either God exists or he doesn't.

I would rather be an open mined atheist than a closed minded theist, or an open minded theist than a close minded agnostic. The only thing I see as better is not how you label yourself, it's about being open to change.
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2/16/2015 7:28:09 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/16/2015 2:41:15 AM, bornofgod wrote:
At 2/15/2015 10:25:46 PM, drpiek wrote:
The biggest gift of the eastern religions and the biggest flaw of the western religions is the understanding of Ego. Abrahamnic religions like Judaism, Christianity, and Islam suffer from overzealous ego. To assume they are the whole truth, the only truth. To assume others who do not follow their ways will go to hell. To assume their version of God is bigger, better, the king of gods is simply like measuring d*ck size.
Once you realize there is only one god, and god has no chosen religion, chosen path, or chosen people the truth becomes known. You are no better than anyone else in this world, neither is your religion, or faith. Being a theist is not better than being atheist or agnostic. When you experience ego loss, you realize who you are.

Who are you?

I am that I am, just as all of us are.
drpiek
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2/16/2015 7:30:26 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/16/2015 3:22:41 AM, frbnsn wrote:
At 2/15/2015 10:25:46 PM, drpiek wrote:
The biggest gift of the eastern religions and the biggest flaw of the western religions is the understanding of Ego. Abrahamnic religions like Judaism, Christianity, and Islam suffer from overzealous ego. To assume they are the whole truth, the only truth. To assume others who do not follow their ways will go to hell. To assume their version of God is bigger, better, the king of gods is simply like measuring d*ck size.
Once you realize there is only one god, and god has no chosen religion, chosen path, or chosen people the truth becomes known. You are no better than anyone else in this world, neither is your religion, or faith. Being a theist is not better than being atheist or agnostic. When you experience ego loss, you realize who you are.

Religion is the way of livling according to God wills and then there must be just one way, mustn't it?

Why would an infinite God create only one path to him, there are many ways up a mountain.

But there are many religions, because human corrupted the original message,through history.

Actually, there is one God and He wants to be known, first of all. But apart from believers in God must be set apart disbelievers, because they don't believe.

Disbelievers are simply in the earliest part of the path.
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2/16/2015 7:31:34 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/16/2015 4:55:35 AM, ethang5 wrote:
At 2/15/2015 11:29:16 PM, philochristos wrote:
At 2/15/2015 10:25:46 PM, drpiek wrote:
To assume they are the whole truth, the only truth.

That doesn't have anything to do with having an ego. That has to do with logic. If A is true, then "not-A" is false. So naturally, anybody who subscribes to a religion is going to think that religion is true (otherwise, why subscribe to it), and if they think their religion is true, then any religion that contradicts it (which every other religion does) is going to be false.

To assume others who do not follow their ways will go to hell.

I don't see what that has to do with ego. If one thinks X is wrong and that God is the ultimate judge is going to think people who do X is going to be punished. That's no more egotistical than a person who thinks that X is illegal and that anybody who does X is going to be prosecuted.

Being a theist is not better than being atheist or agnostic.

If it's better to believe true things than false things, then it's either better to be a theist or it's better to be an atheist because either God exists or he doesn't.

I was going to post to this thread but there's nothing left of the original argument.

Keep reading.
bornofgod
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2/17/2015 1:39:52 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/16/2015 7:28:09 AM, drpiek wrote:
At 2/16/2015 2:41:15 AM, bornofgod wrote:
At 2/15/2015 10:25:46 PM, drpiek wrote:
The biggest gift of the eastern religions and the biggest flaw of the western religions is the understanding of Ego. Abrahamnic religions like Judaism, Christianity, and Islam suffer from overzealous ego. To assume they are the whole truth, the only truth. To assume others who do not follow their ways will go to hell. To assume their version of God is bigger, better, the king of gods is simply like measuring d*ck size.
Once you realize there is only one god, and god has no chosen religion, chosen path, or chosen people the truth becomes known. You are no better than anyone else in this world, neither is your religion, or faith. Being a theist is not better than being atheist or agnostic. When you experience ego loss, you realize who you are.

Who are you?

I am that I am, just as all of us are.

You are nothing but My thoughts.
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2/17/2015 2:37:37 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/16/2015 7:30:26 AM, drpiek wrote:
At 2/16/2015 3:22:41 AM, frbnsn wrote:
At 2/15/2015 10:25:46 PM, drpiek wrote:
The biggest gift of the eastern religions and the biggest flaw of the western religions is the understanding of Ego. Abrahamnic religions like Judaism, Christianity, and Islam suffer from overzealous ego. To assume they are the whole truth, the only truth. To assume others who do not follow their ways will go to hell. To assume their version of God is bigger, better, the king of gods is simply like measuring d*ck size.
Once you realize there is only one god, and god has no chosen religion, chosen path, or chosen people the truth becomes known. You are no better than anyone else in this world, neither is your religion, or faith. Being a theist is not better than being atheist or agnostic. When you experience ego loss, you realize who you are.

Religion is the way of livling according to God wills and then there must be just one way, mustn't it?

Why would an infinite God create only one path to him, there are many ways up a mountain.

But there are many religions, because human corrupted the original message,through history.

Actually, there is one God and He wants to be known, first of all. But apart from believers in God must be set apart disbelievers, because they don't believe.

Disbelievers are simply in the earliest part of the path.

It is possible that there are many ways to the God, O.K. But also there must be sound principles, which are unconditional, like seeking best effort to climb to reach Him, in your example.

Disbelievers are simply in the earliest part of the path.
I think, you are right.
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2/17/2015 7:18:37 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/17/2015 1:39:52 AM, bornofgod wrote:
At 2/16/2015 7:28:09 AM, drpiek wrote:
At 2/16/2015 2:41:15 AM, bornofgod wrote:
At 2/15/2015 10:25:46 PM, drpiek wrote:
The biggest gift of the eastern religions and the biggest flaw of the western religions is the understanding of Ego. Abrahamnic religions like Judaism, Christianity, and Islam suffer from overzealous ego. To assume they are the whole truth, the only truth. To assume others who do not follow their ways will go to hell. To assume their version of God is bigger, better, the king of gods is simply like measuring d*ck size.
Once you realize there is only one god, and god has no chosen religion, chosen path, or chosen people the truth becomes known. You are no better than anyone else in this world, neither is your religion, or faith. Being a theist is not better than being atheist or agnostic. When you experience ego loss, you realize who you are.

Who are you?

I am that I am, just as all of us are.

You are nothing but My thoughts.

Yes I am your thoughts, and that is all you are.
bornofgod
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2/17/2015 11:05:46 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/17/2015 7:18:37 AM, drpiek wrote:
At 2/17/2015 1:39:52 AM, bornofgod wrote:
At 2/16/2015 7:28:09 AM, drpiek wrote:
At 2/16/2015 2:41:15 AM, bornofgod wrote:
At 2/15/2015 10:25:46 PM, drpiek wrote:
The biggest gift of the eastern religions and the biggest flaw of the western religions is the understanding of Ego. Abrahamnic religions like Judaism, Christianity, and Islam suffer from overzealous ego. To assume they are the whole truth, the only truth. To assume others who do not follow their ways will go to hell. To assume their version of God is bigger, better, the king of gods is simply like measuring d*ck size.
Once you realize there is only one god, and god has no chosen religion, chosen path, or chosen people the truth becomes known. You are no better than anyone else in this world, neither is your religion, or faith. Being a theist is not better than being atheist or agnostic. When you experience ego loss, you realize who you are.

Who are you?

I am that I am, just as all of us are.

You are nothing but My thoughts.

Yes I am your thoughts, and that is all you are.

It's good that you know that.
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2/17/2015 11:14:13 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/17/2015 11:05:46 AM, bornofgod wrote:
At 2/17/2015 7:18:37 AM, drpiek wrote:
At 2/17/2015 1:39:52 AM, bornofgod wrote:
At 2/16/2015 7:28:09 AM, drpiek wrote:
At 2/16/2015 2:41:15 AM, bornofgod wrote:
At 2/15/2015 10:25:46 PM, drpiek wrote:
The biggest gift of the eastern religions and the biggest flaw of the western religions is the understanding of Ego. Abrahamnic religions like Judaism, Christianity, and Islam suffer from overzealous ego. To assume they are the whole truth, the only truth. To assume others who do not follow their ways will go to hell. To assume their version of God is bigger, better, the king of gods is simply like measuring d*ck size.
Once you realize there is only one god, and god has no chosen religion, chosen path, or chosen people the truth becomes known. You are no better than anyone else in this world, neither is your religion, or faith. Being a theist is not better than being atheist or agnostic. When you experience ego loss, you realize who you are.

Who are you?

I am that I am, just as all of us are.

You are nothing but My thoughts.

Yes I am your thoughts, and that is all you are.

It's good that you know that.

capital I AM of coarse
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2/17/2015 11:51:50 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/17/2015 11:14:13 AM, drpiek wrote:
At 2/17/2015 11:05:46 AM, bornofgod wrote:
At 2/17/2015 7:18:37 AM, drpiek wrote:
At 2/17/2015 1:39:52 AM, bornofgod wrote:
At 2/16/2015 7:28:09 AM, drpiek wrote:
At 2/16/2015 2:41:15 AM, bornofgod wrote:
At 2/15/2015 10:25:46 PM, drpiek wrote:
The biggest gift of the eastern religions and the biggest flaw of the western religions is the understanding of Ego. Abrahamnic religions like Judaism, Christianity, and Islam suffer from overzealous ego. To assume they are the whole truth, the only truth. To assume others who do not follow their ways will go to hell. To assume their version of God is bigger, better, the king of gods is simply like measuring d*ck size.
Once you realize there is only one god, and god has no chosen religion, chosen path, or chosen people the truth becomes known. You are no better than anyone else in this world, neither is your religion, or faith. Being a theist is not better than being atheist or agnostic. When you experience ego loss, you realize who you are.

Who are you?

I am that I am, just as all of us are.

You are nothing but My thoughts.

Yes I am your thoughts, and that is all you are.

It's good that you know that.

capital I AM of coarse

I AM created all thoughts which is where His creation exists.