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Kreakin
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2/17/2015 2:22:52 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
Ever noticed how when Jehovah's Witnesses call it is always with a young member of their group?
They are not there to convince you to join, they know you wont. Who ever got a doorstep conversion...
They are there so you can ask questions and the new member can answer his own doubts reinforcing his belief, you are helping them indoctrinate this poor sap.
Next time they call just point this out and maybe you will save the poor nub from being brainwashed.
annanicole
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2/17/2015 2:26:24 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/17/2015 2:22:52 PM, Kreakin wrote:
Ever noticed how when Jehovah's Witnesses call it is always with a young member of their group?
They are not there to convince you to join, they know you wont. Who ever got a doorstep conversion...
They are there so you can ask questions and the new member can answer his own doubts reinforcing his belief, you are helping them indoctrinate this poor sap.
Next time they call just point this out and maybe you will save the poor nub from being brainwashed.

That's not true at all .... none of it.

They are there because they are scared shitless about their fictional yet-future Armageddon - and part of it is their belief that if YOU do not become a JW, you will not survive it. The greater reason is that if they aren't out preaching BotchTower nonsense, THEY won't survive it either.
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2/17/2015 2:49:55 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/17/2015 2:22:52 PM, Kreakin wrote:
Ever noticed how when Jehovah's Witnesses call it is always with a young member of their group?
They are not there to convince you to join, they know you wont. Who ever got a doorstep conversion...
They are there so you can ask questions and the new member can answer his own doubts reinforcing his belief, you are helping them indoctrinate this poor sap.
Next time they call just point this out and maybe you will save the poor nub from being brainwashed.

I would enjoy a doorstep conversation with anyone seeking to convert me, but the few times someone has come by they seem to shrink in horror when I mention I'm an atheist. The conversation is over fairly quickly. I believe the last group at my door was LDS, so this may not be relevant to JWs.
Science has taught us that, because we have a talent for deceiving ourselves, subjectivity may not freely reign. - Carl Sagan

The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts. - Bertrand Russell
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2/17/2015 2:58:01 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/17/2015 2:28:53 PM, Kreakin wrote:
The indocrinated believe that, the nubs are not so sure. This is a way to compound that belief.

The "nubs", as you style it, are not out knocking doors. They are back at the kingdom hall being brainwashed and told not to read "apostate literature".
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2/17/2015 3:00:09 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/17/2015 2:49:55 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 2/17/2015 2:22:52 PM, Kreakin wrote:
Ever noticed how when Jehovah's Witnesses call it is always with a young member of their group?
They are not there to convince you to join, they know you wont. Who ever got a doorstep conversion...
They are there so you can ask questions and the new member can answer his own doubts reinforcing his belief, you are helping them indoctrinate this poor sap.
Next time they call just point this out and maybe you will save the poor nub from being brainwashed.

I would enjoy a doorstep conversation with anyone seeking to convert me, but the few times someone has come by they seem to shrink in horror when I mention I'm an atheist. The conversation is over fairly quickly. I believe the last group at my door was LDS, so this may not be relevant to JWs.

It's about the same difference: JW's, LDS, 7th-Day Adventists
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2/17/2015 3:02:15 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/17/2015 2:49:55 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 2/17/2015 2:22:52 PM, Kreakin wrote:
Ever noticed how when Jehovah's Witnesses call it is always with a young member of their group?
They are not there to convince you to join, they know you wont. Who ever got a doorstep conversion...
They are there so you can ask questions and the new member can answer his own doubts reinforcing his belief, you are helping them indoctrinate this poor sap.
Next time they call just point this out and maybe you will save the poor nub from being brainwashed.

I would enjoy a doorstep conversation with anyone seeking to convert me, but the few times someone has come by they seem to shrink in horror when I mention I'm an atheist. The conversation is over fairly quickly. I believe the last group at my door was LDS, so this may not be relevant to JWs.

There is a big difference between being an atheist and being a lost soul. You must come across as the latter which is a conversation breaker.
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2/17/2015 3:04:26 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/17/2015 2:58:01 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 2/17/2015 2:28:53 PM, Kreakin wrote:
The indocrinated believe that, the nubs are not so sure. This is a way to compound that belief.

The "nubs", as you style it, are not out knocking doors. They are back at the kingdom hall being brainwashed and told not to read "apostate literature".

They still call people apostates? Lol.
What do they think of Buddhism or Voodoo?
People who I've called as mafia DP1:
TUF, and YYW
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2/17/2015 3:07:45 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/17/2015 3:04:26 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
At 2/17/2015 2:58:01 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 2/17/2015 2:28:53 PM, Kreakin wrote:
The indocrinated believe that, the nubs are not so sure. This is a way to compound that belief.

The "nubs", as you style it, are not out knocking doors. They are back at the kingdom hall being brainwashed and told not to read "apostate literature".

They still call people apostates? Lol.
What do they think of Buddhism or Voodoo?

They would them just "false religions", as would I. Their definition of "apostate", however = anyone who is not following current BotchTower teachings.
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2/17/2015 3:10:49 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/17/2015 3:07:45 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 2/17/2015 3:04:26 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
At 2/17/2015 2:58:01 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 2/17/2015 2:28:53 PM, Kreakin wrote:
The indocrinated believe that, the nubs are not so sure. This is a way to compound that belief.

The "nubs", as you style it, are not out knocking doors. They are back at the kingdom hall being brainwashed and told not to read "apostate literature".

They still call people apostates? Lol.
What do they think of Buddhism or Voodoo?

They would them just "false religions", as would I. Their definition of "apostate", however = anyone who is not following current BotchTower teachings.

Ahh.. what makes my faith false and yours true?
Oh that makes sense. Last time I heard that word used was to describe a mage.
People who I've called as mafia DP1:
TUF, and YYW
Skepticalone
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2/17/2015 3:11:51 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/17/2015 3:02:15 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 2/17/2015 2:49:55 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 2/17/2015 2:22:52 PM, Kreakin wrote:
Ever noticed how when Jehovah's Witnesses call it is always with a young member of their group?
They are not there to convince you to join, they know you wont. Who ever got a doorstep conversion...
They are there so you can ask questions and the new member can answer his own doubts reinforcing his belief, you are helping them indoctrinate this poor sap.
Next time they call just point this out and maybe you will save the poor nub from being brainwashed.

I would enjoy a doorstep conversation with anyone seeking to convert me, but the few times someone has come by they seem to shrink in horror when I mention I'm an atheist. The conversation is over fairly quickly. I believe the last group at my door was LDS, so this may not be relevant to JWs.

There is a big difference between being an atheist and being a lost soul. You must come across as the latter which is a conversation breaker.

Perhaps, or possibly they prefer to have conversations with someone who has not examined their convictions.
Science has taught us that, because we have a talent for deceiving ourselves, subjectivity may not freely reign. - Carl Sagan

The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts. - Bertrand Russell
annanicole
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2/17/2015 3:15:07 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/17/2015 3:10:49 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
At 2/17/2015 3:07:45 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 2/17/2015 3:04:26 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
At 2/17/2015 2:58:01 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 2/17/2015 2:28:53 PM, Kreakin wrote:
The indocrinated believe that, the nubs are not so sure. This is a way to compound that belief.

The "nubs", as you style it, are not out knocking doors. They are back at the kingdom hall being brainwashed and told not to read "apostate literature".

They still call people apostates? Lol.
What do they think of Buddhism or Voodoo?

They would them just "false religions", as would I. Their definition of "apostate", however = anyone who is not following current BotchTower teachings.

Ahh.. what makes my faith false and yours true?

I have no idea. I do not know what your "faith", if any, happens to be.
Skepticalone
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2/17/2015 3:15:39 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/17/2015 3:00:09 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 2/17/2015 2:49:55 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 2/17/2015 2:22:52 PM, Kreakin wrote:
Ever noticed how when Jehovah's Witnesses call it is always with a young member of their group?
They are not there to convince you to join, they know you wont. Who ever got a doorstep conversion...
They are there so you can ask questions and the new member can answer his own doubts reinforcing his belief, you are helping them indoctrinate this poor sap.
Next time they call just point this out and maybe you will save the poor nub from being brainwashed.

I would enjoy a doorstep conversation with anyone seeking to convert me, but the few times someone has come by they seem to shrink in horror when I mention I'm an atheist. The conversation is over fairly quickly. I believe the last group at my door was LDS, so this may not be relevant to JWs.

It's about the same difference: JW's, LDS, 7th-Day Adventists

Could be, I have had a lot more exposure to LDS than JWs. The only time I have ever had a face to face conversation with a JW was when I was a teenager and actually a theist myself.
Science has taught us that, because we have a talent for deceiving ourselves, subjectivity may not freely reign. - Carl Sagan

The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts. - Bertrand Russell
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2/17/2015 3:17:27 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/17/2015 3:15:07 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 2/17/2015 3:10:49 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
At 2/17/2015 3:07:45 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 2/17/2015 3:04:26 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
At 2/17/2015 2:58:01 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 2/17/2015 2:28:53 PM, Kreakin wrote:
The indocrinated believe that, the nubs are not so sure. This is a way to compound that belief.

The "nubs", as you style it, are not out knocking doors. They are back at the kingdom hall being brainwashed and told not to read "apostate literature".

They still call people apostates? Lol.
What do they think of Buddhism or Voodoo?

They would them just "false religions", as would I. Their definition of "apostate", however = anyone who is not following current BotchTower teachings.

Ahh.. what makes my faith false and yours true?

I have no idea. I do not know what your "faith", if any, happens to be.

Oh. I'm a Buddhist.
People who I've called as mafia DP1:
TUF, and YYW
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2/17/2015 3:18:25 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/17/2015 2:22:52 PM, Kreakin wrote:
Ever noticed how when Jehovah's Witnesses call it is always with a young member of their group?
They are not there to convince you to join, they know you wont. Who ever got a doorstep conversion...
They are there so you can ask questions and the new member can answer his own doubts reinforcing his belief, you are helping them indoctrinate this poor sap.
Next time they call just point this out and maybe you will save the poor nub from being brainwashed.

I love when they call on me, I get to teach them. It is always good fun. That said, I have never had a Mormon come to my home. I look forward to that day.
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2/17/2015 3:20:44 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/17/2015 3:15:39 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 2/17/2015 3:00:09 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 2/17/2015 2:49:55 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 2/17/2015 2:22:52 PM, Kreakin wrote:
Ever noticed how when Jehovah's Witnesses call it is always with a young member of their group?
They are not there to convince you to join, they know you wont. Who ever got a doorstep conversion...
They are there so you can ask questions and the new member can answer his own doubts reinforcing his belief, you are helping them indoctrinate this poor sap.
Next time they call just point this out and maybe you will save the poor nub from being brainwashed.

I would enjoy a doorstep conversation with anyone seeking to convert me, but the few times someone has come by they seem to shrink in horror when I mention I'm an atheist. The conversation is over fairly quickly. I believe the last group at my door was LDS, so this may not be relevant to JWs.

It's about the same difference: JW's, LDS, 7th-Day Adventists

Could be, I have had a lot more exposure to LDS than JWs. The only time I have ever had a face to face conversation with a JW was when I was a teenager and actually a theist myself.

I always ask them, "Are you hear to study, be taught, or both ... or just to try to teach?" If they want to teach only, it usually doesn't go too well.
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2/17/2015 3:35:17 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/17/2015 3:20:44 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 2/17/2015 3:15:39 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 2/17/2015 3:00:09 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 2/17/2015 2:49:55 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 2/17/2015 2:22:52 PM, Kreakin wrote:
Ever noticed how when Jehovah's Witnesses call it is always with a young member of their group?
They are not there to convince you to join, they know you wont. Who ever got a doorstep conversion...
They are there so you can ask questions and the new member can answer his own doubts reinforcing his belief, you are helping them indoctrinate this poor sap.
Next time they call just point this out and maybe you will save the poor nub from being brainwashed.

I would enjoy a doorstep conversation with anyone seeking to convert me, but the few times someone has come by they seem to shrink in horror when I mention I'm an atheist. The conversation is over fairly quickly. I believe the last group at my door was LDS, so this may not be relevant to JWs.

It's about the same difference: JW's, LDS, 7th-Day Adventists

Could be, I have had a lot more exposure to LDS than JWs. The only time I have ever had a face to face conversation with a JW was when I was a teenager and actually a theist myself.

I always ask them, "Are you hear to study, be taught, or both ... or just to try to teach?" If they want to teach only, it usually doesn't go too well.

If someone is not open to the possibility they are wrong, then conversation is a waste of time. I try to be open minded, and expect the same from my conversation mates. Well...as much as possible anyway -- obviously the police officer may not be open minded to the possibility I wasn't speeding... ;-)
Science has taught us that, because we have a talent for deceiving ourselves, subjectivity may not freely reign. - Carl Sagan

The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts. - Bertrand Russell
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2/17/2015 4:00:29 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/17/2015 3:17:27 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
At 2/17/2015 3:15:07 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 2/17/2015 3:10:49 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
At 2/17/2015 3:07:45 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 2/17/2015 3:04:26 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
At 2/17/2015 2:58:01 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 2/17/2015 2:28:53 PM, Kreakin wrote:
The indocrinated believe that, the nubs are not so sure. This is a way to compound that belief.

The "nubs", as you style it, are not out knocking doors. They are back at the kingdom hall being brainwashed and told not to read "apostate literature".

They still call people apostates? Lol.
What do they think of Buddhism or Voodoo?

They would them just "false religions", as would I. Their definition of "apostate", however = anyone who is not following current BotchTower teachings.

Ahh.. what makes my faith false and yours true?

I have no idea. I do not know what your "faith", if any, happens to be.

Oh. I'm a Buddhist.

... and you can't outright state that voodoo-ism is a false religion?
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2/17/2015 4:02:20 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/17/2015 4:00:29 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 2/17/2015 3:17:27 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
At 2/17/2015 3:15:07 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 2/17/2015 3:10:49 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
At 2/17/2015 3:07:45 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 2/17/2015 3:04:26 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
At 2/17/2015 2:58:01 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 2/17/2015 2:28:53 PM, Kreakin wrote:
The indocrinated believe that, the nubs are not so sure. This is a way to compound that belief.

The "nubs", as you style it, are not out knocking doors. They are back at the kingdom hall being brainwashed and told not to read "apostate literature".

They still call people apostates? Lol.
What do they think of Buddhism or Voodoo?

They would them just "false religions", as would I. Their definition of "apostate", however = anyone who is not following current BotchTower teachings.

Ahh.. what makes my faith false and yours true?

I have no idea. I do not know what your "faith", if any, happens to be.

Oh. I'm a Buddhist.

... and you can't outright state that voodoo-ism is a false religion?

Nope
I have no proof
People who I've called as mafia DP1:
TUF, and YYW
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2/17/2015 4:05:20 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/17/2015 3:10:49 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
At 2/17/2015 3:07:45 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 2/17/2015 3:04:26 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
At 2/17/2015 2:58:01 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 2/17/2015 2:28:53 PM, Kreakin wrote:
The indocrinated believe that, the nubs are not so sure. This is a way to compound that belief.

The "nubs", as you style it, are not out knocking doors. They are back at the kingdom hall being brainwashed and told not to read "apostate literature".

They still call people apostates? Lol.
What do they think of Buddhism or Voodoo?

They would them just "false religions", as would I. Their definition of "apostate", however = anyone who is not following current BotchTower teachings.

Ahh.. what makes my faith false and yours true?
Oh that makes sense. Last time I heard that word used was to describe a mage.

Lol Dragon Age... Something tells me that all of the JW play as Templars.
"See now Oblivion shimmering all around us, its very tranquility deadlier than tempest. How little all our keels have troubled it."
- Lord Dunsany -

"The darkness drops again but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born? "
- W. B. Yeats -

Virtutem videant intabescantque relicta
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2/17/2015 4:09:40 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/17/2015 4:02:20 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
At 2/17/2015 4:00:29 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 2/17/2015 3:17:27 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
At 2/17/2015 3:15:07 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 2/17/2015 3:10:49 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
At 2/17/2015 3:07:45 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 2/17/2015 3:04:26 PM, YamaVonKarma wrote:
At 2/17/2015 2:58:01 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 2/17/2015 2:28:53 PM, Kreakin wrote:
The indocrinated believe that, the nubs are not so sure. This is a way to compound that belief.

The "nubs", as you style it, are not out knocking doors. They are back at the kingdom hall being brainwashed and told not to read "apostate literature".

They still call people apostates? Lol.
What do they think of Buddhism or Voodoo?

They would them just "false religions", as would I. Their definition of "apostate", however = anyone who is not following current BotchTower teachings.

Ahh.. what makes my faith false and yours true?

I have no idea. I do not know what your "faith", if any, happens to be.

Oh. I'm a Buddhist.

... and you can't outright state that voodoo-ism is a false religion?

Nope
I have no proof

Then u should try some voo-doo and see how it works for you.
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2/17/2015 4:51:19 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/17/2015 2:22:52 PM, Kreakin wrote:
Ever noticed how when Jehovah's Witnesses call it is always with a young member of their group?
They are not there to convince you to join, they know you wont. Who ever got a doorstep conversion...
They are there so you can ask questions and the new member can answer his own doubts reinforcing his belief, you are helping them indoctrinate this poor sap.
Next time they call just point this out and maybe you will save the poor nub from being brainwashed.

Oh, so it's for that! Really? I always open them the door with nothing but a towel around my waist. Now I see why it has never worked... They keep coming though. Maybe they are also reinforcing their heterosexuality? Oh they are really playing with fire!
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2/18/2015 2:18:56 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 2/17/2015 2:22:52 PM, Kreakin wrote:
Ever noticed how when Jehovah's Witnesses call it is always with a young member of their group?
They are not there to convince you to join, they know you wont. Who ever got a doorstep conversion...
They are there so you can ask questions and the new member can answer his own doubts reinforcing his belief, you are helping them indoctrinate this poor sap.
Next time they call just point this out and maybe you will save the poor nub from being brainwashed.

I don't think so. If they are trusted to go out door-knocking then they are already well indoctrinated. It could be training though. You know, getting them used to handling objections and steering the conversation.
Fatihah: It's like your mother making spaghetti and after you taste it and don't like it, you say "well my mom must not exist". Not because their is no logical evidence but because she doesn't do what you want.
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2/18/2015 5:43:58 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
I will not engage JWs in debate on the doorstep. If they have the temerity to knock on our front door, I point to the 'No cold callers' notice, and close the door.
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2/18/2015 6:26:38 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
Strangely two JW's have just visited, I think they are watching me ::paranoid::
It was a mid twenties guy and a boy about 10. The kid was so nervous but he asked, "How do I view the Bible?" "Is it, a book of human wisdom, a book of myth and legends or the word of God?" "Most people think it is a book of myths".

I said that it is many different things to many different people. I would have to look at when it was written to know who wrote it and make my mind up based on that.
The kid looked a bit perplexed and said, "Would you take a leaflet?", so I said "Of course". They left the kid looking a bit unsure and the guy smiling.

It would have been cruel to have challenged a child when he was so anxious, so a skilled manipulation by them.