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Ravi: The Atheists Nightmare

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7/9/2010 8:55:53 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
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7/9/2010 9:00:23 PM
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for some reason I can never see the youtube videos..is it this?

http://video.google.com...
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7/9/2010 9:00:33 PM
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This guy is considered the modern day C.S. Lewis and the Atheist's Nightmare. It would be pretty cool to see him face off against the top Atheist debaters.
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7/9/2010 9:01:36 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/9/2010 9:00:23 PM, Yvette wrote:
for some reason I can never see the youtube videos..is it this?

http://video.google.com...

Yeah.
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7/9/2010 9:02:20 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/9/2010 9:00:33 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
This guy is considered the modern day C.S. Lewis and the Atheist's Nightmare. It would be pretty cool to see him face off against the top Atheist debaters.

I didn't think it was too "bad" of an argument. I thought that there were some pot holes and missing links along the way, but at least he's trying to justify his rationale ;)
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7/9/2010 9:02:21 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/9/2010 8:55:53 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:


He is definitely exuberant and was actually enjoyable to listen to. The first two points I could at least follow his logic and see why he believed what he did (although I still didn't really agree but it was respectable). However his third point was weak. Morality can be explained by his second point, which is the assumption of an intellectual being before us. So really there was only two points.

Fun to watch; not really for me. :D
I'm not back. This idiot just upset me which made me stop lurking.
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7/9/2010 9:04:29 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/9/2010 9:02:21 PM, annhasle wrote:
At 7/9/2010 8:55:53 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:


He is definitely exuberant and was actually enjoyable to listen to. The first two points I could at least follow his logic and see why he believed what he did (although I still didn't really agree but it was respectable). However his third point was weak. Morality can be explained by his second point, which is the assumption of an intellectual being before us. So really there was only two points.

Fun to watch; not really for me. :D

Agreed. I actually watched the entire video this time. His accent was simply refreshing.
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7/9/2010 9:05:00 PM
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At 7/9/2010 9:04:29 PM, studentathletechristian8 wrote:
At 7/9/2010 9:02:21 PM, annhasle wrote:
At 7/9/2010 8:55:53 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:


He is definitely exuberant and was actually enjoyable to listen to. The first two points I could at least follow his logic and see why he believed what he did (although I still didn't really agree but it was respectable). However his third point was weak. Morality can be explained by his second point, which is the assumption of an intellectual being before us. So really there was only two points.

Fun to watch; not really for me. :D

Agreed. I actually watched the entire video this time. His accent was simply refreshing.


It made me smile. :D
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7/9/2010 9:06:00 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/9/2010 9:05:00 PM, annhasle wrote:
At 7/9/2010 9:04:29 PM, studentathletechristian8 wrote:
At 7/9/2010 9:02:21 PM, annhasle wrote:
At 7/9/2010 8:55:53 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:


He is definitely exuberant and was actually enjoyable to listen to. The first two points I could at least follow his logic and see why he believed what he did (although I still didn't really agree but it was respectable). However his third point was weak. Morality can be explained by his second point, which is the assumption of an intellectual being before us. So really there was only two points.

Fun to watch; not really for me. :D

Agreed. I actually watched the entire video this time. His accent was simply refreshing.


It made me smile. :D

His white hair and dark eyebrows made me smirk as well. ;)
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7/9/2010 9:09:14 PM
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Wow, that was really interesting.
I liked that so much I watched it twice.
Very intelligent man.
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7/9/2010 9:12:01 PM
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At 7/9/2010 9:07:09 PM, Nags wrote:
Who said there has to necessarily be a reason for the universe to exist?

William Lane Craig is better imho.

What reason is there for a universe not to exist?
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7/9/2010 9:13:23 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/9/2010 9:12:01 PM, studentathletechristian8 wrote:
At 7/9/2010 9:07:09 PM, Nags wrote:
Who said there has to necessarily be a reason for the universe to exist?

William Lane Craig is better imho.

What reason is there for a universe not to exist?

Demanding negative proof.
=Fallacy.
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7/9/2010 9:15:13 PM
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At 7/9/2010 9:07:09 PM, Nags wrote:
Who said there has to necessarily be a reason for the universe to exist?


Lolwut.

William Lane Craig is better imho.

He is.
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7/9/2010 9:17:05 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/9/2010 9:13:23 PM, Nags wrote:
At 7/9/2010 9:12:01 PM, studentathletechristian8 wrote:
At 7/9/2010 9:07:09 PM, Nags wrote:
Who said there has to necessarily be a reason for the universe to exist?

William Lane Craig is better imho.

What reason is there for a universe not to exist?

Demanding negative proof.
=Fallacy.

Understood, but your question really doesn't mean much to me. I guess I don't really care to much about a reason for the universe's existence.
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7/9/2010 9:19:46 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/9/2010 9:15:13 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 7/9/2010 9:07:09 PM, Nags wrote:
Who said there has to necessarily be a reason for the universe to exist?


Lolwut.

That's what Ravi said.

William Lane Craig is better imho.

He is.

Yup.
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7/9/2010 9:21:11 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/9/2010 9:15:13 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 7/9/2010 9:07:09 PM, Nags wrote:
William Lane Craig is better imho.

He is.

Were you aware of Ravi before you saw the video? Just curious.

I think they're on the same level, or at least close to.
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7/9/2010 9:30:47 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/9/2010 9:21:11 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 7/9/2010 9:15:13 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 7/9/2010 9:07:09 PM, Nags wrote:
William Lane Craig is better imho.

He is.

Were you aware of Ravi before you saw the video? Just curious.


Yeah, I even tried to read one of his books a couple of years ago at borders. I forget the name. It struck me as a bit dry from what I remember so I didn't finish it.

I think they're on the same level, or at least close to.

Dunno, I'd have to listen to more of him.
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7/10/2010 12:02:44 AM
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A little bit more intelligent than the banana man, but still quite retarded. Logical leaps, not understanding probabilities and wishy washy fluff.
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7/10/2010 12:49:42 AM
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At 7/10/2010 12:02:44 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
A little bit more intelligent than the banana man, but still quite retarded. Logical leaps, not understanding probabilities and wishy washy fluff.

It is some peoples way with dealing with the fact in an infinite universe, 1 in 10 to the power of 40,000 isn't impossible, but certain.
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7/10/2010 2:20:23 AM
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At 7/9/2010 9:07:09 PM, Nags wrote:
Who said there has to necessarily be a reason for the universe to exist?

William Lane Craig is better imho.

To me that is the ultimate question where all other things fall into place.
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7/10/2010 2:40:31 AM
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At 7/10/2010 2:20:23 AM, innomen wrote:
At 7/9/2010 9:07:09 PM, Nags wrote:
Who said there has to necessarily be a reason for the universe to exist?

To me that is the ultimate question where all other things fall into place.

Without God, that seems to be an incoherent question. The only way you could explain "why" the Universe exists is if there's someone behind it who has a personal reason.

If the Universe is impersonal, it simply exists. Perhaps a better question is, what is your place in and what is your relation to the world.
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7/10/2010 2:59:59 AM
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At 7/9/2010 9:15:13 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 7/9/2010 9:07:09 PM, Nags wrote:
Who said there has to necessarily be a reason for the universe to exist?


Lolwut.

Lolwut.

William Lane Craig is better imho.

He is.

Nah, Plantinga's better in terms of substantive arguments. Perhaps not rhetoric, but that's irrelevant.
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7/10/2010 3:02:40 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/10/2010 2:59:59 AM, TheSkeptic wrote:
At 7/9/2010 9:15:13 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 7/9/2010 9:07:09 PM, Nags wrote:
Who said there has to necessarily be a reason for the universe to exist?


Lolwut.

Lolwut.

What do you guys mean? Are you referring to how the Universe came into existence?
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7/10/2010 3:43:00 AM
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Argument 1: Assumes there needs to be a reason for existence

Argument 2: Implies this world is artificial and therefore needs some form of creator. Also 10 to the power of 40,000 is still a chance.

Argument 3: Lolwut? Society makes morals on what is best for everyone, not from divine force. Code of Hammurabi and that.
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7/10/2010 8:24:36 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/10/2010 12:49:42 AM, tvellalott wrote:
At 7/10/2010 12:02:44 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
A little bit more intelligent than the banana man, but still quite retarded. Logical leaps, not understanding probabilities and wishy washy fluff.

It is some peoples way with dealing with the fact in an infinite universe, 1 in 10 to the power of 40,000 isn't impossible, but certain.

The universe is not infinite, but the issue is that you have to compare a given probability to the amount of time/chances it can occur within.
I am voting for Innomen because of his intelligence, common sense, humility and the fact that Juggle appears to listen to him. Any other Presidential style would have a large sub-section of the site up in arms. If I was President I would destroy the site though elitism, others would let it run riot. Innomen represents a middle way that works, neither draconian nor anarchic and that is the only way things can work. Plus he does it all without ego trips.
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7/10/2010 8:26:15 AM
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Why are people according any intellectual respect to these arguments?
I am voting for Innomen because of his intelligence, common sense, humility and the fact that Juggle appears to listen to him. Any other Presidential style would have a large sub-section of the site up in arms. If I was President I would destroy the site though elitism, others would let it run riot. Innomen represents a middle way that works, neither draconian nor anarchic and that is the only way things can work. Plus he does it all without ego trips.
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7/10/2010 8:58:17 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/10/2010 8:26:15 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
Why are people according any intellectual respect to these arguments?

Have no clue.
1. Doesn't need to have a reason.
2.Multiverse theory can solve this. He still admits there is a chance. That chance is still more logical than a god appearing and making that chance happen. Intense complexity is more probably than even more intense complexity.
3.Morality can be explained, subjective, objective, yadda-yadda.
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7/10/2010 9:03:56 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/10/2010 2:59:59 AM, TheSkeptic wrote:
At 7/9/2010 9:15:13 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 7/9/2010 9:07:09 PM, Nags wrote:
Who said there has to necessarily be a reason for the universe to exist?


Lolwut.

Lolwut.


That there could be brute contingent facts makes absolutely no sense to me.

William Lane Craig is better imho.

He is.

Nah, Plantinga's better in terms of substantive arguments. Perhaps not rhetoric, but that's irrelevant.

Well, yeah, of course. But Plantinga doesn't really debate (although he did debate Dennett once, I think).
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7/10/2010 10:50:06 AM
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Wow, this is such a bad video. I refuse to say that i can "Follow" his logic, because his logic stops so abruptly with so many failures, its hard to follow it at all. And people actually think this guys convincing? What a douche.