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2/19/2015 12:54:14 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
By: Dr. Syed Hasan Akhtar
Austin, Texas,USA
Islam has been largely misunderstood in the west. The reasons can be traced back to the era of the Crusades. Ignorance, fear, suspicion, etc. prevented the followers of other major faiths from an objective and impartial study of the religion. The result was that numerous misconceptions, false stories, and biased accounts about Islam came to be accepted as "true" even by Christian scholars and historians. Some of the misconceptions are listed below:
Misconception #1 - Allah is "God of the Muslims"
Many Christians believe that Allah is different from the God of Jesus. The fact is that "Allah" in Arabic simply means The God, as does "Yahweh" in Hebrew, "Dieu" in French, and "Gott" in German. He is the same one God, the Omnipotent and the Omnipresent Deity, the Creator, Sustainer, and Cherisher of the universe."
Misconception #2 - "Muslims worship Muhammad"
It is a common misunderstanding that "Muhammad was divine and that Muslims worship Muhammad," similar to some Christians who worship Jesus. The truth is that Muhammad (peace is upon him) is no more than a messenger of God. He died like any other mortal. Muslims do not believe that Jesus was divine (God or part of God). Muslims regard Jesus as a blessed and chosen Prophet of God.
Misconception #3 - "Women are given an inferior status in Islam""
Nothing can be farther from the truth. The status of women in Islam is the most misunderstood aspect of the religion. According to the Qur"an as well as the sayings of the prophet Muhammad, women enjoy an honorable status.
Islam gives women separate legal rights as individuals. Fourteen hundred years ago at the very inception of the Islamic faith, by divine decree, women were given the right to divorce, the right to own property in their own name and separate from the husband, the right of inheritance, the right to make a will, and many other rights. These rights were not available to women in the western societies until the 19th century.
The Qur"an says:"
"Men shall have the benefit of what they achieve and acquire, and women shall have the benefit of that which they similarly achieve and acquire." (4:32)
A saying of the holy prophet Muhammad is recorded as follows: "If a daughter is born to a person and he brings her up, giving her good education and training in various arts of life, I shall myself stand between him and hellfire."
According to another saying of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh&p): "Paradise lies under the feet of the mother."
God says in the Quran about women:"
"They (women) have rights similar to those against them"" (i.e., men)
Misconception #4 - "Polygamy is conducive to loose moral behavior""
Islam permits a man to have more than one wife under certain circumstances, but it does not encourage this practice. In fact polygamy is discouraged."
The Quran says this about polygamy:
"And if you cannot act equitably towards orphans, then marry such women as seem good to you, two, three, and four, but if you may not do justice to them, then marry only one." (4:3)
Islam permits polygamy as an alternative to situations which may force a husband to immoral acts. A husband may be forced to seek a second wife in the following situations:
A. Inability of the wife to bear children and the couple choose not to seek divorce.
B. Prolonged debilitating illness of the wife, where she is unable to provide sexual satisfaction to her husband, or carry on her responsibilities in relation to the family.
C. Prolonged physical separation due to war, travel, etc.
Polygamy was practiced by all the prophets of the old and their followers, such as Abraham, David, Solomon, and others. In the early days of Islam, as a result of successive wars of defense, there was a great shortage of men and an over supply of women. Polygamy was the only honorable way to provide the women, particularly the widows and orphans, with food, shelter, and protection. Thus, many moral and social ills were avoided.
Misconception #5 - "Islam was spread with the sword"
In the past, Muslim kings, or more appropriately, kings who were Muslims, conquered many lands; but a distinction has to be made between lands conquered by these kings and imposition of Islam on its people. Islam does not believe in force, coercion, or lure of material benefits to spreads the faith. Muslims believe that God alone can put faith into the heart of a person.
"No soul can believe, except by the will of God..." (10:100)
"Let there be no compulsion in religion." (2:256)"
There are several examples of the tolerance of Muslims towards other religions. Muslims ruled over Spain for many hundreds of years. The Christians and the Jews there were free to practice their own religion in their places of worship. In fact Christians and Jews are regarded as privileged people and are mentioned with respect in the Qur"an as "People of the Book".
Indonesia ranks as number one in the world for its Muslim population. However, it was never invaded or conquered by any Muslim king or ruler. Other countries like Malaysia have a Muslim majority. There, Islam was spread when the local population came in contact with Muslim traders and merchants from overseas. In India, Islam was introduced and spread by Sufi Muslims who came from Iran, Afghanistan, Turkey, etc. India has over one hundred million Muslims.
Today, Islam is the fastest growing religion in America and elsewhere despite adverse publicity, media bias, and negative stereotyping. The rich and the poor, intellectuals and commoners alike, continue to enter into the fold of Islam. The Muslim converts encounter rejection, resistance, alienation, and in some cases hostility from their families, friends, and employers."
But it does not deter them in pursuing their newly acquired faith.
Misconception #6. "Islam condones terrorism"
Islam prohibits terrorism, unlawful acquisition of property of others, and causing harm to innocent human beings. Islam rejects all forms of violence. The terrorist attack on the World Trade Center in New York on September 11, 2001 was condemned by Muslims around the world. In fact, those who perished included many Muslims."
Terrorists have no religion. They kill indiscriminately. They use the name of religion to justify their atrocities, and thus bring a bad name to the religion.
The Quran says:"
"Any one who has saved one life, (it is as if he) has saved the whole mankind, and any one who has killed a human being, except in case of murderer or mischief on earth, (it is as if he) has killed the whole mankind." (5:32)
Misconception #7. "Islam rewards suicide with paradise."
This misconception is held, unfortunately, by a very small Muslim minority. Fortunately, the overwhelming majority of Muslims reject this distorted and extreme view. Taking one"s own life is no different than taking someone else"s life. It is a major sin which invokes extreme displeasure and wrath of God."
Misconception #8. "Hijab (the head scarf and the outer covering) is degrading to women."
In fact, it is a sign of dignity and respect for women. It signifies that the worth and value of a woman is not in her looks and her physical form. It protects Muslim women from being molested by men. It safeguards the woman from being reduced to mere "sex objects." Islam prohibits women from all acts of lewdness including public display of their beauty in any form or manner.
Islam similarly requires men to practice modesty in their behavior, to cover their private parts, and not to look at women with lust.
In conclusion, Islam upholds the moral and ethical teachings similar to the Abrahamic faiths of Christianity and Judaism. In fact, the teachings of the Qur"an as practiced by Prophet Muhammad require a higher code of moral and ethical conduct. If Muslims fall short, they are to be blamed, not the religion itself.

If you want, I can debate you over Islam. I can convince you that Islam is not what you think.
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2/19/2015 1:04:06 AM
Posted: 1 year ago

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Mohammad was born in the year 569 A.D. nearly five centuries after the destruction of the holy temple in Jerusalem and he must have thought faith in the Bible was on the way out; so it was convenient for him to plagarize what in found in the holy Book for his own diabolical religion we know today as Islam.

The story of Mohammad's birth and rise to power takes place in the Arabian penisula you see pictured below. A ruthless desert land 1400 miles at its greatest length and 1250 miles at its greatest width. A hot oven of land where sand dust in the air necessitates long robes and head coverings. The sky is almost always clear. The heat is so dry it absorbs moisture from the flesh and ages the skin early in life.

The Arabian penisula is really the size of a small continent protected by fierce heat from invasion. Foreigners riding horses would find themselves facing Arabs on camels that are able to travel much further in the deserts in an undesireable and generally uncultivated land.

The inhabitants had orchards of dates, peaches, apricots, pomegranates, lemons, oranges, bananas, and figs. Aromatic plants like frankincense, thyme, jasmine, and lavender were also grown in the barren land.

The camel and the barrenness of the Arabian penisula encouraged trade. Arabians in camel caravans were known to travel to Egypt with their products as early as 2743 B.C. In Mohammad's rise to power, he formed bands of robbers to rob and kill Arabian caravans belonging to other tribes. He was a murderer and a thief.

Much of the population of Arabia was Bedouin. Nomad herdsmen who moved with their flocks from one pasture to another according to seasons and winter rains. They were the breeders of the fine Arabian horses so well known in the world today.

But their transportation was by camel. On camel back they could cover only a limited distance daily over the rugged desert , but their camels could go without water five days in summer and up to twenty five days in winter. Camels also provided milk along the way without ice or refrigeration. We certainly have to admire the LORD our God for the greatness of wisdom in his creation.

Camel dung was good fuel for camp fires at night in a land barren of wood, and the meat of a dead camel provided tender meat. Its hide and hair were good for clothing and tents.

The Arabian camel, the dromedary pictured above, was dangerous in war. They could burst into forty mile an hour charges on good ground. And they were favored in peace time for transportation across the boiling desert.

It was into this strange land Mohammad was born. A land where the sons of Ishmael continued their warlike behaviour robbing and killing their own kind. It was to an Arab Ishmaelite caravan that Joseph was sold by his brethren into slavery and was carried into Egypt. (Genesis 37:28)

It was Hagar and her son by Abraham who were sent away into the desert by Abraham, beginning "THE PERPETUAL HATRED" (Ezekiel 35:5) of Arabs toward the Israelites to this day. Ishmael was thirteen when exiled from his father Abraham from whom he learned to be a warrier and a prince. He could not help but envy Isaac who took his place in Abraham's heart.

Ishamael survived the desert to father twelve princes . "THESE ARE THE SONS OF ISHMAEL, AND THESE ARE THEIR NAMES, BY THEIR TOWNS, AND BY THEIR CASTLES; TWELVE PRINCES ACCORDING TO THEIR NATIONS." (Genesis 25:17)

It is important to know Ishmael never saw his father Abraham again until the funeral where he joined Isaac in burying him. "AND HIS SONS, ISAAC AND ISHMAEL BURIED HIM IN THE CAVE OF MACHPELAH; ..." (Genesis 25:9) We know from the extensiveness of the Bible record historically, that had there been any further activity between Abraham and Ishamel; it would have been recorded in our sacred Scriptures.

Muslims make many claims regarding Abraham, saying he was neither Christian nor Jew but was Muslim; and that Ishamel accompanied Abraham to Mecca and the Kaba, the centerpiece of the Islamic pilgrimage annually. This is just one of many corruptions of the holy Word of God they say they believe in, but mock when comparing the Bible with the Koran.

Mohammad was one of many Arab descendents of Ishmael approximately 2,500 years later in 569 A.D. in the desert town of Mecca. His father Abdallah died shortly after conceiving him and was not there for the birth. His mother Amina died six years later. His grandfather and uncle Abu Talib raised him.

He married a rich widow by the name of Khadija fifteen years his senior from whom he learned the business of a merchant. She was his only wife until she died twenty six years later. A daughter, Katima, survived their marriage and for the lack of a son, he adopted Ali, the orphan son of his uncle Abu Talib.

Khadija's cousin, Waraqah ibn Nawfal was an Arab Christian "who knew the Scriptures of the Hebrews and the Christians." It was from him Mohammad heard the Word of God he so profoundly perverted in the forming of Islam.

Mohammad apparently felt the need for a religion that would unite the hostile Arab tribes as the Jewish tribes were united in one God. It also had to be a religion that would put Arabs in command of the Jews as they had been over the Arabs historically.

Just as God Almighty searches the earth for someone who will serve him with their whole heart, soul, mind and strength; so the Devil searches for someone to do his will as perfectly as possible.

Mohammad was his man. We know from the holy Scriptures, the Devil is able to give man a vision. He carried Jesus to a mountain top and showed him all the glory of the kingdoms of this world. Likewise Mohammad reported seeing a vision of an angel telling him he was the messenger of Allah.

He already knew what he wanted to do. Now he set about to do it with great zeal. From the evidence we have historically of Mohammad falling to the ground occasionally in convulsions in which he claimed to receive revelations from an angel, we believe he was demon possessed.

He was around forty.

He let it be known he was a prophet commissioned to lead the Arabs into a monotheistic faith to worship one God. His first converts were those immediate to him. His wife, his adopted son who had married his daughter Fatima, the slave Zaid he had bought and freed, his kinsman Abu Bekr who was in high standing among the Quraish tribe and five other Meccan leaders.

The Quraish tribe opposed the removal of idols from the Kaaba because they made profits from the traffic of those who came to worship them. Among the idols set up in the Kaaba was one called Allah.

The Quraish tribe opposed the Hashimite tribe to which Mohammad belonged in this matter of a new religion. It was now 615 A.D. and Mohammad was forty six.

Mohammad's wife Khadija and Abu Talib, his protector died in 619 A.D. Mohammad tried to move his little group of converts to Taif sixty miles to the East, but they rejected him. They did not want to offend the merchants of Mecca.

A mob gathered and pelted him with stones wounding him. Mohammad returned to Mecca where he married Aisha, the seventeen year old daughter of Abu Bekr, his kinsman and fervent follower.

He soon claimed to have ascended into heaven from Jerusalem in his sleep with no witnesses. Thus was born the myth that he too like Jesus for whom there were five hundred witnesses, had ascended into heaven.

Then the break came that he was looking for. Merchants who had come from Medina on a pilgrimage to the idols of their gods housed in the Kaaba heard Mohammad speak to them of monotheism, a divine messenger and the last judgment.
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2/19/2015 1:20:19 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
MUHAMMAD WAS A LIAR:

Mohammed was Born in Mecca in AD 570 and died in AD 633 at the age of sixty three. His parents died when he was young and an uncle of the tribe of Quraysh raised him. They were the most powerful tribe in Arabia in his era. The Quraysh were the keepers of the Ka'bah. At the of age 40 the angel Gabriel supposedly appeared to him in a vision giving him the revelation of the Koran over the next 23 years. So the myth of his being the messenger of God was weaved very much like the false Prophet, Joseph Smith, who claimed to have been visited by the angel Moroni.
Mohammed was driven out of Mecca by his powerful tribe in the year AD 622 to Medina 260 miles North when fifty two years old. He had apparently become a threat to them and their worship of idols. Some years later he returned to Mecca to conquer it, and was merciful to his enemies there.

MUHAMMAD LIED ABOUT THE KA'BAH:

It was then he was said to have cleansed the Ka'bah of its idols and to have set into tradition the false claim that Abraham and Ishmael walked around the Ka'bah together which Muslim adherents perform as the Hajj in a sort of parade during their obligatory visit to Mecca where Muhammad was born.

By making this false claim, Muhammad attempted to wrestle the promise given to Abraham that the world would be blessed through his son, Isaac. Had there been such a relationship between Abraham and Ishmael, it would have been reported in our holy Book. The only spiritual relationship reported was the circumcision of Ishmael at the age of thirteen along with all of Abraham's servants. After that, Ishmael attended his funeral. There was no walk around the Ka'bah.

Ishmael was a very great man in his lifetime (Genesis 25:16) apparently having learned much from Father Abraham, and he and the more blessed son, Isaac buried Abraham in the presence of the Prophet's people in a cave in the field of Ephron and his wife Sarah was buried there with him, but not Haggar Ishamael's mother. Genesis 25:9

In all these wrestlings by Muhammad, there is THE OLD HATRED (Ezekiel 25:15, 35:5/Psalms 25:19/Hosea 9:7) spoken of by true Prophets of God, between Israel and the Arabs.

Muhammad tried again in the Koran to show Arabia blessed by Father Abraham quoting him as praying, "My Lord, I have brought some of my descendants to live in a valley where no farming is possible so they may dwell near Your sacred shrine. Let them establish prayer. Fill the hearts of nearby communities with love toward them and provide them with fruits so they may be thankful." Koran 14:37 Father Abraham, the Prophet, made no such prayer nor did he establish a shrine in Arabia. Had he done so, it would have been written into the holy record of sacred Scriptures. Muhammad was a liar serving the father of lies, the Devil himself.

MUHAMMAD LIED ABOUT ISHMAEL:

We who serve the Living God have heard of no such shrine until the Muslims came in floods to America, then we read of Abraham sacrificing his son Ishmael at the command of God and we are astonished to find Muhammed attempting to steal the glory of our Jewish Patriarchs again. Every Jew and every Christian knows Abraham took Isaac into the desert to sacrifice him at the command of God, but before the sacrifice took place; God provided an animal to be sacrificed in his place.

This shrine is the Ka'bah which Muslims parade around when they go to Mecca. Our sacred Scriptures speak of no such occurences. We know once again that Muhammad is a liar and the Koran is a book of lies, for how can it be a continuation of our sacred and holy Scriptures while contradicting them?

MUHAMMAD LIED ABOUT PSALM 84:4-6:

Muhammad was not satisfied with weaving lies and deceit into material for his unholy book, the Koran. He added to our sacred and holy Scriptures in an attempt to prove what they are saying about Abraham and Ishmael to be true:

Here is the corrupted quote from Yahiya Emerick, in his book entitled "Muhammad, as an American Muslim he subverts Psalm 84:4-6 into a proof Muslims should pilgrimage to Mecca. He writes: "Blessed are those whose strength is in you, who have set their hearts on pilgrimage. As they pass through the valley of Baca, they make it a place of springs; the autumn rains also cover it with pools."

MUHAMMAD LIED ABOUT WHERE TO FACE IN PRAYER:

The usurping of sacred Scriptures and the holy ways found in them knows no end with Muhammad who taught his followers not to face Jerusalem to pray, but to pray toward the Ka'bah.

Actually, the holy Prophet Abraham had nothing to do with the Ka'bah. It was a shrine for approximately 360 pagan idols long before Muhammed took it over to weave it into the myth he left for the world to believe. And idol worshiping Arabs came from all over to pilgrimage there once a year at a time of truce to worship their gods inside the Ka'bah. They paraded around the Ka'bah sometimes naked and offered animal sacrifices. Idolatry was big business in Mecca long before Muhammad conquered them and took away their idols so they could worship the god of the Koran. In doing so, they went from bad to worse. For the god of this world is their god.

It is hard for pure hearts to comprehend an impure heart full of hate motivating Mohammad to weave lies and deceit into a book of hate. The Arabian hatred for the Jewish people has been so severe down through the centuries to this present day, a wicked man thought to convince his fellow Arabians that it them who the God the Bible blessed and not the Jews. This lie they wanted to hear. For they were comforted in their hatred of Israel to think what belonged to the Jews was really theirs for the taking.

We are told in the wisdom of Solomon: "HE THAT HATES DISSEMBLES WITH HIS LIPS, AND LAYS UP DECEIT WITHIN HIM; WHEN HE SPEAKS FAIR, BELIEVE HIM NOT: FOR THERE ARE SEVEN ABOMINATIONS IN HIS HEART. WHOSE HATRED IS COVERED BY DECEIT, HIS WICKEDNESS SHALL BE SHOWED BEFORE THE WHOLE CONGREGATION." (PROVERBS 26:26)

MUHAMMAD LIED ABOUT JESUS:

Muhammad is full of lies and hate. His Koran is the opposite of holy Scripture, preaching hate and war instead of love and peace. He allows Jesus to be a Prophet and a messenger, but denies his deity and he who denies the Son "HAS NOT THE FATHER." 1 John 2:23

"WHO IS A LIAR BUT HE THAT DENIES THAT JESUS IS THE CHIRST? HE IS ANTICHRIST THAT DENIES THE FATHER AND THE SON." 1 John 2:22

MUHAMMAD FALSELY CLAIMED TO BE THE LAST MESSENGER:

Muhammad claims to be the last Messenger, but his Koran says Muslims are to accept a Prophet who can bring fire down upon a sacrifice to consume it. This means Muslims are set to accept the Antichrist, the future world ruler when he brings fire down in the sight of mankind. In other words, Muhammad is not the last messenger according to his own message. He is full of lies and contradictions.

Actually, there is only one messenger in all Judaism and Christianity, from beginning to end; and that is Christ the Lord. It was Christ in Moses who brought the ten commandments down from God. It was Christ in Joshua who led the children of God into the promised land. It was Christ in Elijah who brought fire down and consumed his enemies. It was Christ in John the Baptist who baptized Jesus in the Jordan. It was Christ in Jesus born of the Virgin Mary. It was Christ in Jesus who ascended into heaven and sat down at the right hand of God the Father. And it will be Christ, the Lord of Glory, who returns to Resurrect his people and conquer Antichrist in the battle of Armageddon. There is no such thing as a last messenger. Christ is the A and the Z, the beginning and the end.
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2/19/2015 1:20:29 AM
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MUHAMMAD ATTEMPTED TO FABRICATE THE LIE THAT HE IS A gOD:

In weaving a myth about himself out of lies, Muhammad apparently allowed word to go around that his father's name was Abn' Allah. Muhammad denies Christ is born of God while suggesting his father was God. The name of Allah may come from the combination of Al (the) ilah (god) or Ali'lah which when pronounced quickly would sound like Allah.

Christians translating the Bible into Arabic wrote Allah for God and the stage was set for Muslims to claim they have the same God as we do. The God of the Bible. But We serve the living God and they serve a god like other false religions.

Muhammad's actual given name was apparently Muhammad ibn 'Abdullah. He was but a man full of contradictions. One man playing god. The next admitting to being a sinner.

Muhammad was a sinner, although many Muslims believe he was sinless. A prayer of Muhammad has him praying to Allah as a sinner; saying: "O Allah, set me apart from my sins... (Hadith vol. 1, no. 711)

In Sura 18:10, Allah tells Muhammad to say: "I am but a man like yourselves."

Muhammad was apparently not sure if he was going to heaven though he offered paradise to others: He said, By Allah, though I am the Apostle of Allah, yet I do not know what Allah will do to me. (Hadith vol. 5, no. 266)

MUHAMMAD LIED ABOUT GABRIEL VISITING HIM:

Muhammad received a visitation supposedly from Gabriel at the age of forty suggesting he had made contact with a powerful demon spirit from the Devil who was to provide him with diabolical inspirations for the last twenty three years of his life. For the holy angel Gabriel of the Living God would not deny the deity of Christ.

One thing you need to realize in studying the life of Muhammad, is that he in no way conquered by the love of God as Jesus did. Muhammad's conquests were by blood. Islam was a religion of bloodshed from the beginning to this day.

Muhammad lived in a time when idolatry, polygamy, slavery and illiteracy were common in a hot desert climate where TREASURES IN THE SAND (Deuteronomy 33:19) were not yet discovered to provide Arab leaders with riches and the world with fuel for motorized vehicles. The Arab practice of demanding large sums of money to ransom captives, of severely torturing captives or killing them existed then as it does now. Muhammad's practice was to allow his followers to collect ramsons for prisoners although he reserved the final word for himself. He did not hesitate to execute his enemies.

Muhammad was supposedly the son of noble parents but was illiterate, so others wrote down his sayings.

MUHAMMAD LIED ABOUT BEING VISITED BY ANGELS AS A BABY:

The myth is endless. At two years old, two angels in white supposedly came to remove something from the baby's chest which Muslims interpret to have been the removal of any taint of sin from his heart.

MUHAMMAD LIED ABOUT ASCENDING INTO HEAVEN:

Nine years after the supposed visit by Gabriel, Muhammad supposedly ascended into heaven. Another attempt at stealing glory from our Lord and Saviour by the antichrist. Jesus was seen ascending into heaven bodily by five hundred witnesses, but those surrounding Muhammad saw nothing.

MUHAMMAD LIED ABOUT BEING COMMANDED TO REQUIRE FIVE PRAYERS A DAY:

In this part of the myth Muhammad was supposedly commanded by God to teach his followers to pray fifty times a day, but in a supposed meeting with Moses there in the heavens, Muhammad was supposedly advised to ask God for a reduction and eventually the number of five prayers a day was settled upon.

MUHAMMAD LIED ABOUT BEING CARRIED TO THE TEMPLE MOUNT:

This is where the Muslim myth weaved itself into the temple Mount, the sacred location of where our holy temple of God was built in the past. It is there Gabriel supposedly landed with Muhammad.

This supposed landing explains why the Mosque of Omar was built not too long afterwards on the temple Mount while Israel remained dispersed into all the world, so Satan attempted by means of his religion of Islam to take over our most holy site.

It is this false claim to our most holy site that fuels the contention to this day that Arabs must take possession of Jerusalem, the holy city of God. For there is a war in the realm of the Spirit between God and Satan over possession of the earth, and Jerusalem is the city God chose long ago for his habitation.

Many Jewish and Christian people do not know Messiah will come to dwell in and rule the world from Jerusalem. Jerusalem will be the capital of the Messiah's glorious global Kingdom during his thousand year reign.

What is really strange about this false claim the Arab world staked for the temple Mount and Jerusalem, is that Umm Hani, Muhammad's cousin thought he was mentally ill or possessed when he made the false claim, for she knew he had been there all night in the house with her bodily. She strongly urged Muhammad to tell no one else of his supposed journey with Gabriel.

But the Devil had a strong influence upon Muhammad and knew the violence that would follow if he could influence Arabs to attempt to stake a claim on the temple Mount and Jerusalem, so Muhammad did not keep his claim of ascending into heaven and descending to the temple Mount a secret, and Muslims worldwide have come to believe the lie.

Many Arab Muslims vehemently want to believe God Almighty loves them more than the Jews whom they hate. They are attracted to a religion that offers paradise to them if they die in battle killing their enemies, particularly the Jews whom they passionately hate.

Muhammad soon announced his ascension to the inhabitants of Mecca and an uproar followed along with the cries of madman. Few people believed him but what difference did it make if a man they all knew was a little crazy out there in the boiling hot Arabian desert.

The myth grew into formidable Muslim theology eleven years later when the conquest of Mecca took place. Then they believed what they had to believe to live with the conqueror. Islam is a religion of conquest unlike Judaism or Christianity where converts come in by persuasion of faith.

SUMMARY:

Early Byzantine writers portrayed Muhammad (Mahomet) of being a camel rustler, sorcerer and liar. They reported his religion as one where he was worshiped along with the devil.

Pope Innocent III labeled him as the Antichrist. Writers like Zwemer and Sales exposed Islam as evil in opposition to our faith in Christ. Rudyard Kipling described "the white man's burden" to civilize Muslims and bring them into the family of God.

Soon after Muhammad's death, his army expanded his conquests considerably and with it the expansion of Islamic beliefs was forced upon the conquered, and they too became caught up in the obedience to the book of war and its myths, spreading Islam far and wide throughout the world to this day by means of Muslim martyrs thinking to obtain forgiveness from God and entrance into paradise by dying for the cause as well as a rich reward as payment for their family from well financed terrorists who gladly strap bombs around their waists and send them forward to blow up innocent people including their fellow Muslims.

And what is the diabolical cause the god of this world inspired in the messenger Muhammad? To fight all other religions until Satan alone would receive worship upon the planet earth.
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2/19/2015 1:30:44 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/19/2015 1:27:52 AM, uncung wrote:
Prophet Muhammad had never lied.

MUHAMMAD COUNTERFEITED ISLAM AFTER JUDAISM:

The OLD HATRED motivated Muhammad who saw Israel had been without its glorious temple and a homeland for almost six hundred years and the tribes were dispersed into all the world. To him, it looked like they would never take their homeland back nor build a glorious temple on the temple Mount again. What a golden opportunity to steal their religion and modify it to fit the Arab mindset.

MUHAMMAD REPLACED ABRAHAM'S SACRIFICE OF ISAAC:

Muhammad replaced Isaac with Ishmael as the son Abraham went into the desert to sacrifice, though the biblical record tells us Haggar and Ishmael were sent away and nothing more is mentioned of Ishmael til Abraham dies.

Then Ishmael returns to bury his father with Isaac.

By replacing Isaac with Ishmael, Muhammad replaced Abraham's Jewish son with his Arab son in an attempt to steal the promise that all nations would be blessed in his son. This no doubt had great appeal to Arabs everywhere when they heard about the new religion, especially since the new religion was accompanied by a conquering army.

Muhammad claims to be the last of the messengers from the God of the Bible and changes anything in the Scriptures he wishes to fit his needs.

MUHAMMAD REPLACED THE ANNUAL PILGRIMAGE TO JERUSALEM:

Muhammad produces the myth that Abraham and Ishmael walked around the Ka'bah several times after making it a shrine. Muhammad conquers Mecca, removes the 360 idols worshipped in the Ka'bah, borrows the parade the idol worshippers made around the Ka'bah for Islam and makes it a practice annually for the once in a lifetime pilgrimage required of Muslims worldwide if they can do it.

Millions of Muslims the world over go to Mecca in Saudi Arabia annually to parade around the Ka'bah among other things. To further justify the annual pilgrimage to Mecca, Muslims have their own version of Psalm 84:4-6 where they insert the word pilgrimage suggesting our Bible points them to go there. In doing so, Muhammad turned his followers away from Jerusalem where multitudes of Jews pilgrimage annually for Passover.

MUHAMMAD REPLACED THE DAILY JEWISH PRAYER SCHEDULE:

Muhammad counterfeited the Jewish prayer schedule while adding one more time of prayers daily to make Muslims appear more holy than Jews. In the Scriptures we have dawn, noon, sunset and midnight prayers. Muhammad added one more prayer time to that schedule.

MUHAMMAD REPLACED THE TITHE OF TEN PERCENT:

Almsgiving or Zakat: The Qur'an teaches the giving of two and one-half percent of one's capital wealth to the poor and/or for the propagation of Islam. By doing so, the Muslims' remaining wealth is purified.

MUHAMMAD REPLACED THE JEWISH RABBI:

Just as the Rabbi is a religious leader to be obeyed politically as well, so the Muslim Iman is a religious leader to be obeyed politically, and more so in the counterfeit religion. For the Iman, if his followers are zealous enough to obey him can issue FATWA'S or death warrants and he can call for JIHAD, which is war in some way or another.

MUHAMMAD REPLACED THE JEWISH LANGUAGE:

To make the counterfeit all the more Arabic, Muslims all over the world are expected to pray and converse in religious language using Arabic just as practicioners the world over of Judaism are expected to use Hebrew prayers and religious terms.

MUHAMMAD REPLACED THE JEWISH SKULL CAP:

Another obvious counterfeit is the use of the skull cap by Muslims all over the world. This they copied from the Jewish religion too. It is very evident Muhammad was about the business of his father, the Devil in counterfeiting the Muslim religion to replace Judaism. His opposition to Israel is clearly stated in denying they are the God of the Bible's chosen people, saying God has no need of a chosen people. He is wrong.

SUMMARY:

Islam is an evil counterfeit of Judaism proves to be true in the end when Muslims find out the paradise Muhammad promised is the bottomless pit of hell from where there is no escape. Muslims present their religion as an angel of light, but inside they are full of dead men's bones. May the Living God send laborers into the harvest field to deliver souls from dead religion. Amen.
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2/19/2015 1:47:01 AM
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Prophet Muhammad simply counterfeited the heathenism and the deviation of the divine religion. The deviation including the wrong attribution upon God attitudes, false and heretic rituals and the creation of new kind of belief that is very diametrical with the core teaching of previous prophets.
The false teaching such as : God belongs to a son, jesus was a God and soon.
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2/19/2015 2:02:13 AM
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At 2/19/2015 1:47:01 AM, uncung wrote:
Prophet Muhammad simply counterfeited the heathenism and the deviation of the divine religion. The deviation including the wrong attribution upon God attitudes, false and heretic rituals and the creation of new kind of belief that is very diametrical with the core teaching of previous prophets.
The false teaching such as : God belongs to a son, jesus was a God and soon.

THE OPPRESSION OF ISLAMIC LAW:

Muslims raised under Sharia (Islamic law) are inclined to point the finger of accusation at the openness of degeneracy in democratic nations even though many of them have migrated to democracies to get out from under the oppressions of Islamic law and enjoy our freedoms. By pointing the finger of accusation at the outward degeneracy of democratic nations like America whom they like to call "THE GREAT SATAN," Muslims presume they are holy inwardly.

Here we see a Muslim woman wearing the outward garments of religion accusing the freedom to sin in Western democracies as though our freedoms were terrorizing them. If our freedoms terrorized Muslims, the multitudes of them would not have migrated from Islamic countries to live in democracies.

They like to point to the enforced behaviour under Islamic law as though Muslims obeyed it of their own free will rather than out of necessity.

Those of us who attempt to live godly lives are not proud of the degenerate behaviour increasingly manifest in America, but Islamic (Sharia) law is not the solution. Those of us who have faith in Christ know a holy revival is needed in America where converts of their own free will would choose to live godly lives without religious police telling us how to live our lives.

Sinners in the democracies of the world are certainly not going to vote in Islamic law and the theocracies of Islam are never going to become democratic.

When the Taliban ruled Afghanistan, they imposed harsh Islamic (Sharia) law upon the people of their nation. Music and dancing were outlawed among other things. Here we see their religious police breaking up a music player belonging to an Afghanistan citizen. The bags they wore over their heads with eye holes cut out were necessary to protect them from retaliation from those they oppressed. Islamic Sharia law in Afghanistan was not chosen by the people. It was forced on them in the name of the god of Islam.

Nonetheless, the Taliban is still fighting their way into power in Afganistan and Pakistan with the intent of absolute rule in the name of their god and their interpretation of Sharia Law. Here in this video are young girls suffering from acid thrown in their faces for going to school. Under the Taliban women had no rights and were forbidden to go to school.

In this video the Taliban beat and kill citizens in the name of Sharia Law. So many gather for these events at times, it appears to have become a cheap form of public entertainment as well as a tool for the spreading of fear among the population to obtain their obedience.

What Islam represents under Sharia Law in various parts of the world where Muslims rule, is a government worse than Hitler's Nazism. For their law has their religion and their destestable Koran backing their power, so the people not only fear the authorities. They fear their god.

In this next video Pat Robertson and Nonie Darwish talk on the subject of Sharia Law after film evidence is presented. Under Sharia Law a man can marry a female child of any age from birth on up to adulthood. Husbands are entitled to beat their wives without a cause. A female rejected for marriage by her husband can be killed by her own family in what is called an honour killing. When a female is raped, if she reports it; she can be imprisoned for fornication or adultery. A dowery in Islam is actually a purchase of a wife and marriage is slavery for them. Muslims in America seem tame because their awful Sharia Law is disabled by our laws, and so many Americans are converting to Islam without realizing just how terrible a religion they have joined.

Sharia Law is a totalitarian legal system imposed by Muslim religious leaders to force populations to obey them.

A young Moroccan man by the name of Adam was pushed off of a fourth story balcony and is confined to a wheelchair for the rest of his life. This video is his testimony. Keep in mind, under Sharia Law, any Muslim converting to another religion is subject to death. Even his own Mother threatened to kill him when he converted and his wife abandoned him when he needed her the most.
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2/19/2015 2:37:07 AM
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Sharia law is a divine law. God grants us abilty to impose and enforce His law over mankind. Democration is not a divine law since it relies on the humane wishis, means it ignores the moral values and any aspects that oppose true religion.
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2/19/2015 3:03:38 AM
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Muhammad invented another Jesus:

We are warned of those who would come with another Jesus, yet it is always amazing to the mind when they do. What you have here in this document is a list of quotes from the Koran concerning Jesus Christ. It is the Jesus Muhammad the antichrist invented:

A Comprehensive Listing of References to Jesus ('Isa) in the Qur'an Among the major world religions, Islam is the only non-Christian faith that recognizes the person of Jesus. Muhammad has much to say of Jesus in the Koran.

In the Qur'an, Jesus is referred to in over ninety verses in fifteen surahs.

SURAH REFERENCES FROM THE YUSUFALI TRANSLATION:

2:87 We gave Jesus the son of Mary Clear (Signs) and strengthened him with the holy spirit.

2:136 We believe in Allah, and the revelation given to us, and to Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and that given to Moses and Jesus, and that given to (all) prophets from their Lord: We make no difference between one and another of them . . .

2:253 . . . To Jesus the son of Mary We gave clear (Signs), and strengthened him with the holy spirit.

3:45 O Mary! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, held in honour in this world and the Hereafter and of (the company of) those nearest to Allah.

3:46 "He shall speak to the people in childhood and in maturity. And he shall be (of the company) of the righteous."

3:48 And Allah will teach him the Book and Wisdom, the Law and the Gospel.

3:49 And (appoint him) a messenger to the Children of Israel, (with this message): "I have come to you, with a Sign from your Lord, in that I make for you out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, and breathe into it, and it becomes a bird by Allah's leave: And I heal those born blind, and the lepers, and I quicken the dead, by Allah's leave; and I declare to you what ye eat, and what ye store in your houses. Surely therein is a Sign for you if ye did believe."

3:50 (I have come to you), to attest the Law which was before me. And to make lawful to you part of what was (Before) forbidden to you; I have come to you with a Sign from your Lord. So fear Allah, and obey me.

3:52 When Jesus found Unbelief on their part He said: "Who will be My helpers to (the work of) Allah?"

3:55 Behold! Allah said: "O Jesus! I will take thee and raise thee to Myself and clear thee (of the falsehoods) of those who blaspheme; I will make those who follow thee superior to those who reject faith, to the Day of Resurrection: Then shall ye all return unto me, and I will judge between you of the matters wherein ye dispute."

3:59 The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam . . .

3:84 . . . and in (the Books) given to Moses, Jesus, and the prophets, from their Lord.

4:157 That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";-but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not.

4:163 We have sent thee inspiration, as We sent it to Noah and the Messengers after him: we sent inspiration to Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob and the Tribes, to Jesus, Job, Jonah, Aaron, and Solomon, and to David We gave the Psalms.

4:171 O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) a messenger of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His messengers. Say not "Trinity": desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah: Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth.

4:172 Christ disdaineth nor to serve and worship Allah . . .

5:17 In blasphemy indeed are those that say that Allah is Christ the son of Mary.

5:46 And in their footsteps We sent Jesus the son of Mary, confirming the Law that had come before him: We sent him the Gospel: therein was guidance and light, and confirmation of the Law that had come before him: a guidance and an admonition to those who fear Allah.

5:72 They do blaspheme who say: "Allah is Christ the son of Mary." But said Christ: "O Children of Israel! worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord." Whoever joins other gods with Allah,- Allah will forbid him the garden, and the Fire will be his abode.

5:75 Christ the son of Mary was no more than a messenger; many were the messengers that passed away before him. His mother was a woman of truth. They had both to eat their (daily) food.

5:78 Curses were pronounced on those among the Children of Israel who rejected Faith, by the tongue of David and of Jesus the son of Mary: because they disobeyed and persisted in excesses.

5:110 O Jesus the son of Mary! Recount My favour to thee and to thy mother. Behold! I strengthened thee with the holy spirit, so that thou didst speak to the people in childhood and in maturity. Behold! I taught thee the Book and Wisdom, the Law and the Gospel and behold! thou makest out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, by My leave, and thou breathest into it and it becometh a bird by My leave, and thou healest those born blind, and the lepers, by My leave. And behold! thou bringest forth the dead by My leave. And behold! I did restrain the Children of Israel from (violence to) thee when thou didst show them the clear Signs, and the unbelievers among them said: 'This is nothing but evident magic.'

5:112 Behold! the disciples, said: "O Jesus the son of Mary! can thy Lord send down to us a table set (with viands) from heaven?" Said Jesus: "Fear Allah, if ye have faith."

5:114 Said Jesus the son of Mary: "O Allah our Lord! Send us from heaven a table set (with viands), that there may be for us-for the first and the last of us-a solemn festival and a sign from thee; and provide for our sustenance, for thou art the best Sustainer (of our needs)."

5:116 Allah will say: "O Jesus the son of Mary! Didst thou say unto men, worship me and my mother as gods in derogation of Allah'?" He will say: "Glory to Thee! never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, thou wouldst indeed have known it. Thou knowest what is in my heart . . ."

6:85 And Zakariya and John, and Jesus and Elias: all in the ranks of the righteous.

9:30 The Jews call 'Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah.

9:31 They take their priests and their anchorites to be their lords in derogation of Allah, and (they take as their Lord) Christ the son of Mary; yet they were commanded to worship but One Allah: there is no god but He. Praise and glory to Him: (Far is He) from having the partners they associate (with Him).

19:19 He said: "Nay, I am only a messenger from thy Lord, (to announce) to thee the gift of a holy son."

19:20 She said: "How shall I have a son, seeing that no man has touched me, and I am not unchaste?"

19:21 He said: "So (it will be): Thy Lord saith, 'that is easy for Me: and (We wish) to appoint him as a Sign unto men and a Mercy from Us': It is a matter (so) decreed."

19:22 So she conceived him, and she retired with him to a remote place.

19:27 At length she brought the (babe) to her people, carrying him (in her arms). They said: "O Mary! truly an amazing thing hast thou brought!"

19:30 He said: "I am indeed a servant of Allah: He hath given me revelation and made me a prophet."

19:31 "And He hath made me blessed wheresoever I be, and hath enjoined on me Prayer and Charity as long as I live."

19:32 "(He) hath made me kind to my mother, and not overbearing or miserable."

19:33 "So peace is on me the day I was born, the day that I die, and the day that I shall be raised up to
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2/19/2015 3:54:20 AM
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the teaching of prophet muhammad is not diametrical with jesus's teaching, go figure it.
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2/19/2015 1:21:15 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/19/2015 2:37:07 AM, uncung wrote:
Sharia law is a divine law. God grants us abilty to impose and enforce His law over mankind.

That, along with the fact Islam incites people to kill other people, especially when your God granted impositions are met with disdain, makes Sharia Law extremely dangerous to sane people.
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
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2/20/2015 12:51:17 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/19/2015 1:21:15 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 2/19/2015 2:37:07 AM, uncung wrote:
Sharia law is a divine law. God grants us abilty to impose and enforce His law over mankind.

That, along with the fact Islam incites people to kill other people, especially when your God granted impositions are met with disdain, makes Sharia Law extremely dangerous to sane people.

yes sariah is dangerous to the invidels, however as long as they obey the islamic law then the invidels will leave in peace.
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2/20/2015 1:18:34 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/20/2015 12:51:17 AM, uncung wrote:
At 2/19/2015 1:21:15 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 2/19/2015 2:37:07 AM, uncung wrote:
Sharia law is a divine law. God grants us abilty to impose and enforce His law over mankind.

That, along with the fact Islam incites people to kill other people, especially when your God granted impositions are met with disdain, makes Sharia Law extremely dangerous to sane people.

yes sariah is dangerous to the invidels, however as long as they obey the islamic law then the invidels will leave in peace.

Mm. Politely, no thank you.
Here we have an advocate for Islamic arranged marriages demonstrating that children can consent to sex.
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2/20/2015 1:53:21 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/20/2015 12:51:17 AM, uncung wrote:
At 2/19/2015 1:21:15 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 2/19/2015 2:37:07 AM, uncung wrote:
Sharia law is a divine law. God grants us abilty to impose and enforce His law over mankind.

That, along with the fact Islam incites people to kill other people, especially when your God granted impositions are met with disdain, makes Sharia Law extremely dangerous to sane people.

yes sariah is dangerous to the invidels, however as long as they obey the islamic law then the invidels will leave in peace.

- What are you on about?!!!! Shari'a apply exclusively on muslims. Do you even know Islam Law?!
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2/20/2015 4:33:00 AM
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yes sariah is dangerous to the invidels, however as long as they obey the islamic law then the invidels will live in peace.

- What are you on about?!!!! Shari'a apply exclusively on muslims. Do you even know Islam Law?!

Islam beside regulates muslims exclusively it also regulates the interaction among people including non muslims. If the non muslims stole for instance, then according to islamic law he deserves islamic punishment, i.e. hand chopping, it is if he lives under islamic authority.
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2/20/2015 5:30:10 AM
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At 2/20/2015 4:33:00 AM, uncung wrote:

yes sariah is dangerous to the invidels, however as long as they obey the islamic law then the invidels will live in peace.

- What are you on about?!!!! Shari'a apply exclusively on muslims. Do you even know Islam Law?!

Islam beside regulates muslims exclusively it also regulates the interaction among people including non muslims. If the non muslims stole for instance, then according to islamic law he deserves islamic punishment, i.e. hand chopping, it is if he lives under islamic authority.

- Not entirely True. The penalty is only valid under these conditions:

1. The dhimmi must have stole from a muslim, under muslim Rule, & in a muslim territory, not in a dhimmi territory. Whatever dhimmis do in their communities is their business under their Laws, even if they were practicing incest (which happened actually), but if they commit crimes against muslims in muslim communities, they will be subject to their Laws, depending on the situation.
2. The Islamic Rule must be legitimate, & the Judge must be a licensed Jurist.
3. The stealing must have happened in secret. Robbing, extortion, snatching & the likes are not punishable by penalty. The idea here is that Shari'a preserves Property, & so if someone locks & hides what he wants to protect, Shari'a makes him feel secure. In case of snatching for example, the owner is given a chance to defend himself, & he couldn't, & thus the snatcher won't be punished for thieving, but rather for aggression. Also, stealing out in the open is not punishable.
4. The amount stolen must exceed 1/4 Dinar (40$).
5. The stolen goods must have been hidden & locked (in a safe or something). If the goods are not locked, or just laying in the open, the thief will not be punished.
6. The thief must have been apprehended before he repents, if he repents before he was apprehended, the penalty will be dropped.
7. The stolen goods must not belong to the parents, or the children, or the wife/husband, or the master/slave, or the guardian. . . if the thief steals from his parents or or . . . he won't be punished.
8. The owner of the goods must have asked for his goods back. If the owner forgives the thief, or offers the stolen goods to him, or allow him to unlock the lock where the goods are hidden, the penalty will be dropped.
9. The thief must be over the age of puberty, & not mentally ill.
10. The thief must have been aware of the punishment related to his act, an ignorant thief in not punishable.
11. The thief must have been not coerced or duped into stealing.
12. The stolen goods must be 'muhtaram', stealing alcohol, drugs, & bad stuff isn't punishable.
13. The stolen goods must not belong to a non-muslim currently in war with muslims.
14. The act of stealing must have been simultaneously witnessed by two righteous witnesses, or the thief must have confessed to his act.
15. There must be no 'Shubha', i.e. any doubt about the act will result in dropping the penalty. The penalty only takes effect when there is no doubt about the act.
16. In times of need or famine, the penalty for stealing is invalidated.
17. The amount stolen must not have been transformed into waqf. i.e. was given to the poor, or orphans, or mosques. . .

. . . etc.

- Moral of story, Shari'a applies for muslims only. Here the muslim lost his goods, & one of the 6 Sacred Necessities of Shari'a is Preservation of Wealth (Property), & the Islamic Law will protect the muslims the muslim way.
- Dhimmis are granted independence in Land, Laws & Religion, under the Jizyah Contract. But, if some of their members breach that Contract, & commit crimes against muslims in muslim land, then these members will lose their right of judiciary independence & thus be subject to Islamic Law.
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2/20/2015 9:14:46 PM
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Islam beside regulates muslims exclusively it also regulates the interaction among people including non muslims. If the non muslims stole for instance, then according to islamic law he deserves islamic punishment, i.e. hand chopping, it is if he lives under islamic authority.

- Not entirely True. The penalty is only valid under these conditions:

1. The dhimmi must have stole from a muslim, under muslim Rule, & in a muslim territory, not in a dhimmi territory. Whatever dhimmis do in their communities is their business under their Laws, even if they were practicing incest (which happened actually), but if they commit crimes against muslims in muslim communities, they will be subject to their Laws, depending on the situation.
2. The Islamic Rule must be legitimate, & the Judge must be a licensed Jurist.
3. The stealing must have happened in secret. Robbing, extortion, snatching & the likes are not punishable by penalty. The idea here is that Shari'a preserves Property, & so if someone locks & hides what he wants to protect, Shari'a makes him feel secure. In case of snatching for example, the owner is given a chance to defend himself, & he couldn't, & thus the snatcher won't be punished for thieving, but rather for aggression. Also, stealing out in the open is not punishable.
4. The amount stolen must exceed 1/4 Dinar (40$).
5. The stolen goods must have been hidden & locked (in a safe or something). If the goods are not locked, or just laying in the open, the thief will not be punished.
6. The thief must have been apprehended before he repents, if he repents before he was apprehended, the penalty will be dropped.
7. The stolen goods must not belong to the parents, or the children, or the wife/husband, or the master/slave, or the guardian. . . if the thief steals from his parents or or . . . he won't be punished.
8. The owner of the goods must have asked for his goods back. If the owner forgives the thief, or offers the stolen goods to him, or allow him to unlock the lock where the goods are hidden, the penalty will be dropped.
9. The thief must be over the age of puberty, & not mentally ill.
10. The thief must have been aware of the punishment related to his act, an ignorant thief in not punishable.
11. The thief must have been not coerced or duped into stealing.
12. The stolen goods must be 'muhtaram', stealing alcohol, drugs, & bad stuff isn't punishable.
13. The stolen goods must not belong to a non-muslim currently in war with muslims.
14. The act of stealing must have been simultaneously witnessed by two righteous witnesses, or the thief must have confessed to his act.
15. There must be no 'Shubha', i.e. any doubt about the act will result in dropping the penalty. The penalty only takes effect when there is no doubt about the act.
16. In times of need or famine, the penalty for stealing is invalidated.
17. The amount stolen must not have been transformed into waqf. i.e. was given to the poor, or orphans, or mosques. . .

. . . etc.

- Moral of story, Shari'a applies for muslims only. Here the muslim lost his goods, & one of the 6 Sacred Necessities of Shari'a is Preservation of Wealth (Property), & the Islamic Law will protect the muslims the muslim way.
- Dhimmis are granted independence in Land, Laws & Religion, under the Jizyah Contract. But, if some of their members breach that Contract, & commit crimes against muslims in muslim land, then these members will lose their right of judiciary independence & thus be subject to Islamic Law.

Islami law is universal.
Quran states:

"As for the thief, both male and female, cut off their hands. It is the reward of their own deeds, an exemplary punishment from Allah. Allah is Mighty, Wise. " (Almaidah 38) without any exception for muslims and non muslims.

Abdurrahman al-Jaziri in his Kitab, Al-Fiqih "Alal Madzahibil Arba"ah, said: "He -'Azza wa Jalla- been ordered to cut the hands of thieves on either male or female, slave or free man, Muslims or infidels (non-Muslims) in order to protect and maintain the property."
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2/20/2015 10:03:38 PM
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Your post is on report for posting hate speech, uncung. Anytime you or any Muhammad idol worshiper posts references to Muhammad's book, I will report that post as hate speech as Muhammad's book is filled with hate speech directed at all non-Muhammad believers or atheists for that matter. Muhammad's book tells Muhammadan idolators to terrorize and kill EVERYONE who doesn't believe in God the way Muhammad does.

We don't want your Islamo-fascist ideology foisted here where we have freedom to believe in God any way God comes to us, not as Muhammad's inner voice god, Allah, came to him, another ancient man 1400 years dead and nobody I knew or anyone I know knew.

Muhammadism is pure unadulterated religious totalitarian fascism and only people who are willing to sacrifice everything important would surrender their minds to garbage ripoff of Judaism religious ideas carried to Reaver extremes like chopping off the heads of unbelievers.

You Muhammadan idol worshipers don't have a religion of God. You have a religion of Man, one man who you cannot get past to reach God on your own merits. So you all have no religion but a political brainwashing system that pretends to be a religion of God. Proof? Can any of you have your own spiritual relationship with God and receive spiritual revelation on your own? No, you're not allowed to and in fact, would be killed if you had any religious visions different from Muhammad's and tried to tell others about it. Poor hypnotized Muhammadans allowing themselves to be brainwashed with one man's ideas five times a day, incredible! But it does explain why we Westerners keep coming across Muhammadan clones who literally cannot reason any more, thinking rote repetition of Muhammad's words says everything. Well, at one time there were billions of Communists believers and now where are they? China? Chinese Communists are barely holding on as they become Capitalist by public pressure as Communism didn't work. Muhammadans are in for the same fate as happened to Communists. The world turned against them and defeated them, eventually from within, the Communist totalitarian ideology becoming something even Communists didn't want anymore. Same fate in store for Muhammad idolators as they too come to realize Muhammad was no angel and his theology full of violent horse doo doo.
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2/20/2015 11:01:45 PM
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At 2/20/2015 10:03:38 PM, celestialtorahteacher wrote:
Your post is on report for posting hate speech, uncung.

yes, we hate heathenism.
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2/21/2015 2:27:56 AM
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At 2/20/2015 9:14:46 PM, uncung wrote:
- Not entirely True. The penalty is only valid under these conditions:

1. The dhimmi must have stole from a muslim, under muslim Rule, & in a muslim territory, not in a dhimmi territory. Whatever dhimmis do in their communities is their business under their Laws, even if they were practicing incest (which happened actually), but if they commit crimes against muslims in muslim communities, they will be subject to their Laws, depending on the situation.
2. The Islamic Rule must be legitimate, & the Judge must be a licensed Jurist.
3. The stealing must have happened in secret. Robbing, extortion, snatching & the likes are not punishable by penalty. The idea here is that Shari'a preserves Property, & so if someone locks & hides what he wants to protect, Shari'a makes him feel secure. In case of snatching for example, the owner is given a chance to defend himself, & he couldn't, & thus the snatcher won't be punished for thieving, but rather for aggression. Also, stealing out in the open is not punishable.
4. The amount stolen must exceed 1/4 Dinar (40$).
5. The stolen goods must have been hidden & locked (in a safe or something). If the goods are not locked, or just laying in the open, the thief will not be punished.
6. The thief must have been apprehended before he repents, if he repents before he was apprehended, the penalty will be dropped.
7. The stolen goods must not belong to the parents, or the children, or the wife/husband, or the master/slave, or the guardian. . . if the thief steals from his parents or or . . . he won't be punished.
8. The owner of the goods must have asked for his goods back. If the owner forgives the thief, or offers the stolen goods to him, or allow him to unlock the lock where the goods are hidden, the penalty will be dropped.
9. The thief must be over the age of puberty, & not mentally ill.
10. The thief must have been aware of the punishment related to his act, an ignorant thief in not punishable.
11. The thief must have been not coerced or duped into stealing.
12. The stolen goods must be 'muhtaram', stealing alcohol, drugs, & bad stuff isn't punishable.
13. The stolen goods must not belong to a non-muslim currently in war with muslims.
14. The act of stealing must have been simultaneously witnessed by two righteous witnesses, or the thief must have confessed to his act.
15. There must be no 'Shubha', i.e. any doubt about the act will result in dropping the penalty. The penalty only takes effect when there is no doubt about the act.
16. In times of need or famine, the penalty for stealing is invalidated.
17. The amount stolen must not have been transformed into waqf. i.e. was given to the poor, or orphans, or mosques. . .

. . . etc.

- Moral of story, Shari'a applies for muslims only. Here the muslim lost his goods, & one of the 6 Sacred Necessities of Shari'a is Preservation of Wealth (Property), & the Islamic Law will protect the muslims the muslim way.
- Dhimmis are granted independence in Land, Laws & Religion, under the Jizyah Contract. But, if some of their members breach that Contract, & commit crimes against muslims in muslim land, then these members will lose their right of judiciary independence & thus be subject to Islamic Law.

Islami law is universal.
Quran states:

"As for the thief, both male and female, cut off their hands. It is the reward of their own deeds, an exemplary punishment from Allah. Allah is Mighty, Wise. " (Almaidah 38) without any exception for muslims and non muslims.

Abdurrahman al-Jaziri in his Kitab, Al-Fiqih "Alal Madzahibil Arba"ah, said: "He -'Azza wa Jalla- been ordered to cut the hands of thieves on either male or female, slave or free man, Muslims or infidels (non-Muslims) in order to protect and maintain the property."

- The Message of the Qur'an is Universal, NOT Islamic Law, that's absurd. When one becomes muslim, one is subject to Shari'a, if one is not muslim why should he follow Shari'a, that would make him a muslim! That's a clear contradiction. In fact, almost all Rulings of Shari'a begin with the condition of "muslim, discerning & over the age of puberty", & all Actions decreed in Shari'a necessitate "Niyya" (Intention), the kind of which a non-muslim can not have.

- The conditions I mentioned above are a MUST, if al-Jaziri says what he says, he means exactly what I wrote, there is no difference of opinion about all the conditions I mentioned above.

- Plus, you're no scholar & your opinion is irrelevant. If you don't have the knowledge, please do not get involved, don't make what is lawful unlawful, & what is unlawful lawful. The is the Deen of Allah, not yours. :)
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2/21/2015 2:46:28 AM
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- The Message of the Qur'an is Universal, NOT Islamic Law, that's absurd. When one becomes muslim, one is subject to Shari'a, if one is not muslim why should he follow Shari'a, that would make him a muslim! That's a clear contradiction. In fact, almost all Rulings of Shari'a begin with the condition of "muslim, discerning & over the age of puberty", & all Actions decreed in Shari'a necessitate "Niyya" (Intention), the kind of which a non-muslim can not have.

- The conditions I mentioned above are a MUST, if al-Jaziri says what he says, he means exactly what I wrote, there is no difference of opinion about all the conditions I mentioned above.

- Plus, you're no scholar & your opinion is irrelevant. If you don't have the knowledge, please do not get involved, don't make what lawful unlawful, & what is unlawful lawful. The is the Deen of Allah, not yours. :)

Non muslims indeed dont follow islamic law rather they obey islamic system that is applied by islamic government/authority. Under islamic system/authority it is not allowed to create the undivine laws such as kafir systems.

Brunei for instance, oblige non muslims to obey the islamic law that just applied lately in the country.

I am asking you, if a non muslim stole in saudi arabia, is he not worth to be punished by islamic sentence/law?
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2/21/2015 3:03:46 AM
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At 2/21/2015 2:46:28 AM, uncung wrote:
- The Message of the Qur'an is Universal, NOT Islamic Law, that's absurd. When one becomes muslim, one is subject to Shari'a, if one is not muslim why should he follow Shari'a, that would make him a muslim! That's a clear contradiction. In fact, almost all Rulings of Shari'a begin with the condition of "muslim, discerning & over the age of puberty", & all Actions decreed in Shari'a necessitate "Niyya" (Intention), the kind of which a non-muslim can not have.

- The conditions I mentioned above are a MUST, if al-Jaziri says what he says, he means exactly what I wrote, there is no difference of opinion about all the conditions I mentioned above.

- Plus, you're no scholar & your opinion is irrelevant. If you don't have the knowledge, please do not get involved, don't make what lawful unlawful, & what is unlawful lawful. The is the Deen of Allah, not yours. :)

Non muslims indeed dont follow islamic law rather they obey islamic system that is applied by islamic government/authority. Under islamic system/authority it is not allowed to create the undivine laws such as kafir systems.

- If they are in their communities, then NO. There are 5 categories of people according to Shari'a:
1. Muslim: member of the Ummah.
2. Dhimmi: a non-muslim protected member of the Ummah.
3. Mu'ahid: member of a nation currently under Treaty with muslims.
4. Muharid: member of a nation currently at war with muslims.
5. Muqatil: a non-muslim militant.
=> The 2nd category are in Jizyah Contract with muslims, & Jizyah means this:
> Freedom of Religion, Independence of Laws, & Right to Property, in exchange for a yearly Tax, going from 1 Dinar (~160$) to 2 Dinars (~320$) for each able individual over the age of puberty. Well, it's a lot more complicated than that, but you got the general idea.
(+) Eg. if a non-muslim drunk alcohol or ate pork even outside his community, he won't be punished, for the simple reason that he's not obligated to not drink alcohol . .
(+) Another example: The dhimmis are allowed to export & import or buy & sell alcohol no problem. However, once they sell it to muslims, if apprehended, they'll lose their property (their stored liquor), & it (the alcohol) will be destroyed, though they won't receive a punishment.

Brunei for instance, oblige non muslims to obey the islamic law that just applied lately in the country.

- I can't answer what I don't know. Maybe, they are offering them the Jizyah Contract, that's the only way it could work. Although, if the inhabitants are indigenous, then they can't be made to pay the Jizyah.

I am asking you, if a non muslim stole in saudi arabia, is he not worth to be punished by islamic sentence/law?

- No, he won't. Instead, he will be deported, there.
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2/21/2015 3:46:27 AM
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- If they are in their communities, then NO. There are 5 categories of people according to Shari'a:
1. Muslim: member of the Ummah.
2. Dhimmi: a non-muslim protected member of the Ummah.
3. Mu'ahid: member of a nation currently under Treaty with muslims.
4. Muharid: member of a nation currently at war with muslims.
5. Muqatil: a non-muslim militant.
=> The 2nd category are in Jizyah Contract with muslims, & Jizyah means this:
> Freedom of Religion, Independence of Laws, & Right to Property, in exchange for a yearly Tax, going from 1 Dinar (~160$) to 2 Dinars (~320$) for each able individual over the age of puberty. Well, it's a lot more complicated than that, but you got the general idea.
(+) Eg. if a non-muslim drunk alcohol or ate pork even outside his community, he won't be punished, for the simple reason that he's not obligated to not drink alcohol . .
(+) Another example: The dhimmis are allowed to export & import or buy & sell alcohol no problem. However, once they sell it to muslims, if apprehended, they'll lose their property (their stored liquor), & it (the alcohol) will be destroyed, though they won't receive a punishment.

- I can't answer what I don't know. Maybe, they are offering them the Jizyah Contract, that's the only way it could work. Although, if the inhabitants are indigenous, then they can't be made to pay the Jizyah.

- No, he won't. Instead, he will be deported, there.

you are wrong for many times, dont you see the verse Almaidah:38?
"As for the thief, both male and female, cut off their hands. It is the reward of their own deeds, an exemplary punishment from Allah. Allah is Mighty, Wise. "
It doesnt specify for believers (muslims) only. when Quran always adresses the command to the believers (muslims) when it prevails only to the believers.

Let alone, Abdurrahman al-Jaziri in his Kitab, Al-Fiqih "Alal Madzahibil Arba"ah, affirm : "He -'Azza wa Jalla- had ordered to cut the hands of thieves on either male or female, slave or free man, Muslims or infidels (non-Muslims) in order to protect and maintain the property."

In Aceh, Indonesia, Councillor Abdulah Saleh told the Jakarta Post about the new behaviour law, or qanun jinayat, "does indeed oblige everyone in Aceh to follow sharia without exception."
In Aceh, the sentence for Non-Muslim violators adhere the islamic legislation.

"It would be unfair if Muslims were punished while non-Muslims were not, just because sharia violations are not stipulated in the Criminal Code (Indonesian Law) ," Saleh said.

look I response you with strict and clear verse from quran, ulama opinion, and the fact where the country apply islamic law. It is not my private opinion instead.
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2/21/2015 4:49:23 AM
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At 2/21/2015 3:46:27 AM, uncung wrote:
you are wrong for many times, dont you see the verse Almaidah:38?
"As for the thief, both male and female, cut off their hands. It is the reward of their own deeds, an exemplary punishment from Allah. Allah is Mighty, Wise. "
It doesnt specify for believers (muslims) only. when Quran always adresses the command to the believers (muslims) when it prevails only to the believers.

- Now now, what are you trying to do here?! It's not up to you to interpret the verse. Besides, that goes of all other penalties.

Let alone, Abdurrahman al-Jaziri in his Kitab, Al-Fiqih "Alal Madzahibil Arba"ah, affirm : "He -'Azza wa Jalla- had ordered to cut the hands of thieves on either male or female, slave or free man, Muslims or infidels (non-Muslims) in order to protect and maintain the property."

- Abdurrahman al-Jazari is a Scholar, & he will not go against the Ijma' (the Consensus). You realise that the Rulings on Stealing, if compiled, might form a whole book, maybe in several volumes. & you see a quote & suddenly you know everything!!!

In Aceh, Indonesia, Councillor Abdulah Saleh told the Jakarta Post about the new behaviour law, or qanun jinayat, "does indeed oblige everyone in Aceh to follow sharia without exception."
In Aceh, the sentence for Non-Muslim violators adhere the islamic legislation.

- It's all in the details. What, are they gonna whip or stone non-muslim adulterers?

"It would be unfair if Muslims were punished while non-Muslims were not, just because sharia violations are not stipulated in the Criminal Code (Indonesian Law) ," Saleh said.

- I don't know the context of that phrase, & doubt it conforms with your wrong understanding. However, it's Shari'a that says what fair or unfair, not Mr. Saleh.

look I response you with strict and clear verse from quran, ulama opinion, and the fact where the country apply islamic law. It is not my private opinion instead.

- It is yours, when it's your understanding involved.

- Alright, the subject is much more complicated than what you think. I am gonna try & explain briefly how this works:
"So if they come to you, [O Muhammad], judge between them or turn away from them. And if you turn away from them - never will they harm you at all. And if you judge, judge between them with justice." (5:42).
> Meaning: Judging the non-muslims can only take place if they ask muslims to be the Judge, they (the muslims) can thus either refuse to Judge between them or accept, unless one of either party is a muslim, in that case, the muslims don't have a choice but to Judge according to Shari'a.
> If the muslims decide to Judge between non-muslims, they can only do it as their (the non-muslims) own Law prescribes. So, if the non-muslim was a Christian who committed adultery, & if he comes to muslims for Judgement, then the muslims might chose to punish him as his own Religion (Bible) decrees as judgement for him, or not punish him at all. There is a difference of Opinion about a lot of this stuff, no time to get into it now.
> Now, the Jizyah is a Treaty Contract, & often it includes a lot of Stipulations other than the amount of Jizyah & such. Some standard Stipulations have to do with 'Murder', & so, generally, Murder is punishable by a death sentence no matter what category a person belongs to, because he is considered a Traitor against the Treaty of Jyzyah, or the Treaty of Istiaman. . .
> Another thing, the muslims expect the Dhimmis to hold their own Laws & apply them, if they don't, the muslims will force them into applying them. Eg. the Dhimmis are expected to decree Laws against theft & apply them, so, if they don't, then the muslims will do it for them, because the Jizyah Treaty does not allow the Dhimmis to spread corruption in the land of muslims.
> Also, if the Religion of the Dhimmis decree a thing lawful for them, while it's unlawful for muslims, the muslims can not force them to change it not punish them for it. Eg. Alcohol for Christians, or Incest for Zoroastrians. . .

=> i am here just giving you an idea about the circumstances of things, the Topic is a Legal one, & thus much deeper & much much more detailed than that.
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2/21/2015 5:00:18 AM
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- Now now, what are you trying to do here?! It's not up to you to interpret the verse. Besides, that goes of all other penalties.

that verse doesnt need an interpretasion whatsoever, or do you want to abolish it or alter the passage in:
"As for believer thief, both male and female believers, cut off their hands.... ?

- Abdurrahman al-Jazari is a Scholar, & he will not go against the Ijma' (the Consensus). You realise that the Rulings on Stealing, if compiled, might form a whole book, maybe in several volumes. & you see a quote & suddenly you know everything!!!

Which ijma do you refer to? if so then the ijma oppose the verse above.

- It's all in the details. What, are they gonna whip or stone non-muslim adulterers?

I don't know that case. In stolen case the amputation of hands are executed after passing the court. If no one brings it to the court then the sentence doesn't prevail.

=> i am here just giving you an idea about the circumstances of things, the Topic is a Legal one, & thus much deeper & much much more detailed than that.

I see.
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2/21/2015 5:14:09 AM
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At 2/21/2015 5:00:18 AM, uncung wrote:
that verse doesnt need an interpretasion whatsoever, or do you want to abolish it or alter the passage in:
"As for believer thief, both male and female believers, cut off their hands.... ?

- Please watch what you're saying, know your place, & do not transgress. We are not scholars, it's no business of ours to get involved in these things & risk our iman in the process.

Which ijma do you refer to? if so then the ijma oppose the verse above.

- The Ijma's on the Conditions I mentioned before.

- It's all in the details. What, are they gonna whip or stone non-muslim adulterers?

I don't know that case. In stolen case the amputation of hands are executed after passing the court. If no one brings it to the court then the sentence doesn't prevail.

- Well, if the court was a legitimate Shari'a court, it'll do it under the conditions I mentioned. Also, there are three cases where the Penalty will most likely take place (of course, under the conditions of Shari'a Law):
> Murder: that's for sure, even if the punishment doesn't conform to the perpetrator's Religion.
> Qathf (falsely accusing someone of adultery): for sure, if the plaintiff is a muslim.
> Theft: for sure, if the plaintiff asks for his property back.
=> Other than those, the Penalty may or may not take place, depending on what Religion the person adheres to, & the School of Thought the Judge belongs to. For example: the a muslim man commits adultery with a christian woman, he'll be surely punished, but the christian likely not, even if she does accept the muslims as Judge.

I see.

- It'll be wise to leave these Topics to the Scholars, & if you wish to know about them go study under a Licensed Scholar, & try your best not to get yourself involved in which you have no knowledge about. :)
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2/21/2015 5:24:06 AM
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- Please watch what you're saying, know your place, & do not transgress. We are not scholars, it's no business of ours to get involved in these things & risk our iman in the process.

dude, quran is enough. Quran is not for scholars, it is for mankind.

- The Ijma's on the Conditions I mentioned before.
I see.

- Well, if the court was a legitimate Shari'a court, it'll do it under the conditions I mentioned. Also, there are three cases where the Penalty will most likely take place (of course, under the conditions of Shari'a Law):
> Murder: that's for sure, even if the punishment doesn't conform to the perpetrator's Religion.
> Qathf (falsely accusing someone of adultery): for sure, if the plaintiff is a muslim.
> Theft: for sure, if the plaintiff asks for his property back.
=> Other than those, the Penalty may or may not take place, depending on what Religion the person adheres to, & the School of Thought the Judge belongs to. For example: the a muslim man commits adultery with a christian woman, he'll be surely punished, but the christian likely not, even if she does accept the muslims as Judge.

I see.

- It'll be wise to leave these Topics to the Scholars, & if you wish to know about them go study under a Licensed Scholar, & try your best not to get yourself involved in which you have no knowledge about. :)

big NO, since Quran asserts a clear command then we do no longer beed any scholars to explain it.
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2/21/2015 5:35:58 AM
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At 2/21/2015 5:24:06 AM, uncung wrote:
- Please watch what you're saying, know your place, & do not transgress. We are not scholars, it's no business of ours to get involved in these things & risk our iman in the process.
big NO, since Quran asserts a clear command then we do no longer beed any scholars to explain it.

- Then why don't you give it to kids to explain instead, or to the Chinese. Or we could just hand it over to you so you can enlighten us!!!

"He it is Who has sent down to thee the Book: In it are verses basic or fundamental (of established meaning); they are the foundation of the Book: others are allegorical. But those in whose hearts is perversity follow the part thereof that is allegorical, seeking discord, and searching for its hidden meanings, but no one knows its hidden meanings except Allah. And those who are firmly grounded in knowledge say: "We believe in the Book; the whole of it is from our Lord:" and none will grasp the Message except men of understanding." (3:7)

- "And pursue not that of which thou hast no knowledge; for every act of hearing, or of seeing or of (feeling in) the heart will be enquired into (on the Day of Reckoning)." (17:36)

- "Say: the things that my Lord has indeed forbidden are: shameful deeds, whether open or secret; sins and trespasses against truth or reason; assigning of partners to Allah, for which He has given no authority; and saying things about Allah of which ye have no knowledge." (7:33)

- "And before thee also the messengers We sent were but men, to whom We granted inspiration: if you yourselves do not know, ask of those who possess the Message." (16:43)

- The Prophet (pbuh) said: "Whoever says (something) about the Qur'an without knowledge, then let him take his seat in the Fire." [ ^at-Tarmidhi #3204 ]

- Abu Bakr (mgbpwh) saying: "what earth can hold me, or what sky can protect me if I say about the Qur"an what I do not know".

- If you don't change you attitude, you'll find yourself among "Those whose efforts have been wasted in this life while they thought that they were acquiring good by their deeds!" (18:104)
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