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2/19/2015 1:12:37 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
and then something changed, ad infinitum.

That's it, that's god, an ever changing, even existing thing that we have a great interest in understanding.
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2/19/2015 1:16:30 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/19/2015 1:12:37 PM, drpiek wrote:
and then something changed, ad infinitum.


That's it, that's god, an ever changing, even existing thing that we have a great interest in understanding.

Now you're redefining God as an impersonal universe, something with no cognition of volition.
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2/19/2015 1:22:41 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/19/2015 1:12:37 PM, drpiek wrote:
and then something changed, ad infinitum.


That's it, that's god, an ever changing, even existing thing that we have a great interest in understanding.

God =/= the universe. The universe = the universe.
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2/19/2015 1:29:09 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/19/2015 1:16:30 PM, dhardage wrote:
At 2/19/2015 1:12:37 PM, drpiek wrote:
and then something changed, ad infinitum.


That's it, that's god, an ever changing, even existing thing that we have a great interest in understanding.

Now you're redefining God as an impersonal universe, something with no cognition of volition.

Cognition exists within god I did not redefine anything.
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2/19/2015 1:30:51 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/19/2015 1:22:41 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 2/19/2015 1:12:37 PM, drpiek wrote:
and then something changed, ad infinitum.


That's it, that's god, an ever changing, even existing thing that we have a great interest in understanding.

God =/= the universe. The universe = the universe.

Did God tell you that, if not how do you know?
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2/19/2015 1:32:30 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/19/2015 1:29:09 PM, drpiek wrote:
At 2/19/2015 1:16:30 PM, dhardage wrote:
At 2/19/2015 1:12:37 PM, drpiek wrote:
and then something changed, ad infinitum.


That's it, that's god, an ever changing, even existing thing that we have a great interest in understanding.

Now you're redefining God as an impersonal universe, something with no cognition of volition.

Cognition exists within god I did not redefine anything.

Show me your evidence of cognition, sentience, awareness if you have any, please?
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2/19/2015 1:33:38 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/19/2015 1:30:51 PM, drpiek wrote:
At 2/19/2015 1:22:41 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 2/19/2015 1:12:37 PM, drpiek wrote:
and then something changed, ad infinitum.


That's it, that's god, an ever changing, even existing thing that we have a great interest in understanding.

God =/= the universe. The universe = the universe.

Did God tell you that, if not how do you know?

Forgive me for butting in, but did God tell you? How do you know?
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2/19/2015 1:38:06 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/19/2015 1:29:09 PM, drpiek wrote:
At 2/19/2015 1:16:30 PM, dhardage wrote:
At 2/19/2015 1:12:37 PM, drpiek wrote:
and then something changed, ad infinitum.


That's it, that's god, an ever changing, even existing thing that we have a great interest in understanding.

Now you're redefining God as an impersonal universe, something with no cognition of volition.

Cognition exists within god I did not redefine anything.

Cognition is a mental process. Are you saying God is human? God must be if it is driven by a mental process.
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2/19/2015 1:44:02 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/19/2015 1:38:06 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 2/19/2015 1:29:09 PM, drpiek wrote:
At 2/19/2015 1:16:30 PM, dhardage wrote:
At 2/19/2015 1:12:37 PM, drpiek wrote:
and then something changed, ad infinitum.


That's it, that's god, an ever changing, even existing thing that we have a great interest in understanding.

Now you're redefining God as an impersonal universe, something with no cognition of volition.

Cognition exists within god I did not redefine anything.

Cognition is a mental process. Are you saying God is human? God must be if it is driven by a mental process.

I am saying humans are within god.
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2/19/2015 1:55:55 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/19/2015 1:44:02 PM, drpiek wrote:
At 2/19/2015 1:38:06 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 2/19/2015 1:29:09 PM, drpiek wrote:
At 2/19/2015 1:16:30 PM, dhardage wrote:
At 2/19/2015 1:12:37 PM, drpiek wrote:
and then something changed, ad infinitum.


That's it, that's god, an ever changing, even existing thing that we have a great interest in understanding.

Now you're redefining God as an impersonal universe, something with no cognition of volition.

Cognition exists within god I did not redefine anything.

Cognition is a mental process. Are you saying God is human? God must be if it is driven by a mental process.

I am saying humans are within god.

How does that equate to your god's awareness, sentience, cognition, volition?
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2/19/2015 2:13:02 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/19/2015 1:30:51 PM, drpiek wrote:
At 2/19/2015 1:22:41 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 2/19/2015 1:12:37 PM, drpiek wrote:
and then something changed, ad infinitum.


That's it, that's god, an ever changing, even existing thing that we have a great interest in understanding.

God =/= the universe. The universe = the universe.

Did God tell you that, if not how do you know?

I know that the universe is quite well defined by the word and meaning given by the term "universe". Obviously, you feel "God" needs to be redefined.
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2/19/2015 2:14:24 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/19/2015 1:55:55 PM, dhardage wrote:
At 2/19/2015 1:44:02 PM, drpiek wrote:
At 2/19/2015 1:38:06 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 2/19/2015 1:29:09 PM, drpiek wrote:
At 2/19/2015 1:16:30 PM, dhardage wrote:
At 2/19/2015 1:12:37 PM, drpiek wrote:
and then something changed, ad infinitum.


That's it, that's god, an ever changing, even existing thing that we have a great interest in understanding.

Now you're redefining God as an impersonal universe, something with no cognition of volition.

Cognition exists within god I did not redefine anything.

Cognition is a mental process. Are you saying God is human? God must be if it is driven by a mental process.

I am saying humans are within god.

How does that equate to your god's awareness, sentience, cognition, volition?

Are you aware? Is all of you aware? Is it just your brain? Is each neuron in your brain aware? The way i see it we, and every living thing are neurons within god and yes god has consciousness through us.
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2/19/2015 2:19:19 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/19/2015 1:33:38 PM, dhardage wrote:
At 2/19/2015 1:30:51 PM, drpiek wrote:
At 2/19/2015 1:22:41 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 2/19/2015 1:12:37 PM, drpiek wrote:
and then something changed, ad infinitum.


That's it, that's god, an ever changing, even existing thing that we have a great interest in understanding.

God =/= the universe. The universe = the universe.

Did God tell you that, if not how do you know?

Forgive me for butting in, but did God tell you? How do you know?

Lol, this was my first thought as well.
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2/19/2015 2:28:19 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/19/2015 2:19:19 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 2/19/2015 1:33:38 PM, dhardage wrote:
At 2/19/2015 1:30:51 PM, drpiek wrote:
At 2/19/2015 1:22:41 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 2/19/2015 1:12:37 PM, drpiek wrote:
and then something changed, ad infinitum.


That's it, that's god, an ever changing, even existing thing that we have a great interest in understanding.

God =/= the universe. The universe = the universe.

Did God tell you that, if not how do you know?

Forgive me for butting in, but did God tell you? How do you know?

Lol, this was my first thought as well.

Since we are all part of God, when ever anyone speaks with me it is another aspect of god communicating with me. Everyone is just an aspect of God. So in that aspect, yeah.
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2/19/2015 2:31:23 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/19/2015 2:13:02 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 2/19/2015 1:30:51 PM, drpiek wrote:
At 2/19/2015 1:22:41 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 2/19/2015 1:12:37 PM, drpiek wrote:
and then something changed, ad infinitum.


That's it, that's god, an ever changing, even existing thing that we have a great interest in understanding.

God =/= the universe. The universe = the universe.

Did God tell you that, if not how do you know?

I know that the universe is quite well defined by the word and meaning given by the term "universe". Obviously, you feel "God" needs to be redefined.

How do you define god? Likely as something that does not exist. The universe was one of the changes and after this universe is gone, god will still be. I have redefined nothing.
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2/19/2015 2:42:49 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/19/2015 1:44:02 PM, drpiek wrote:
At 2/19/2015 1:29:09 PM, drpiek wrote:
At 2/19/2015 1:12:37 PM, drpiek wrote:
and then something changed, ad infinitum.


That's it, that's god, an ever changing, even existing thing that we have a great interest in understanding.


Cognition exists within god I did not redefine anything.


I am saying humans are within god.

Hilarious, after centuries of trying to understand God, we are offered little more than magical thinking and pseudo-intellectual mumbo jumbo.
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
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2/19/2015 2:54:03 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/19/2015 2:42:49 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 2/19/2015 1:44:02 PM, drpiek wrote:
At 2/19/2015 1:29:09 PM, drpiek wrote:
At 2/19/2015 1:12:37 PM, drpiek wrote:
and then something changed, ad infinitum.


That's it, that's god, an ever changing, even existing thing that we have a great interest in understanding.


Cognition exists within god I did not redefine anything.


I am saying humans are within god.

Hilarious, after centuries of trying to understand God, we are offered little more than magical thinking and pseudo-intellectual mumbo jumbo.

Exactly this. There is so much of this in the world that I really do sympathize with all the scientists who basically ignore everyone who is not an academic. It's enough to drive most rational people crazy. But really, we need some kind of massive education reform, or something, to get people to start thinking rationally instead of superstitiously. It remains a serious problem, and perhaps even a threat to our long-term survival.
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2/19/2015 2:57:30 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/19/2015 1:16:30 PM, dhardage wrote:
At 2/19/2015 1:12:37 PM, drpiek wrote:
and then something changed, ad infinitum.


That's it, that's god, an ever changing, even existing thing that we have a great interest in understanding.

Now you're redefining God as an 'impersonal universe', something with no cognition of volition.

Yeah that one sounds like the Spinonza's God which Albert Einstein has a leaning towards.
http://en.wikipedia.org...

Which idea came first though Spinoza or the phrase Mother Nature?
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2/19/2015 3:23:41 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/19/2015 2:14:24 PM, drpiek wrote:
At 2/19/2015 1:55:55 PM, dhardage wrote:
At 2/19/2015 1:44:02 PM, drpiek wrote:
At 2/19/2015 1:38:06 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 2/19/2015 1:29:09 PM, drpiek wrote:
At 2/19/2015 1:16:30 PM, dhardage wrote:
At 2/19/2015 1:12:37 PM, drpiek wrote:
and then something changed, ad infinitum.


That's it, that's god, an ever changing, even existing thing that we have a great interest in understanding.

Now you're redefining God as an impersonal universe, something with no cognition of volition.

Cognition exists within god I did not redefine anything.

Cognition is a mental process. Are you saying God is human? God must be if it is driven by a mental process.

I am saying humans are within god.

How does that equate to your god's awareness, sentience, cognition, volition?

Are you aware? Is all of you aware? Is it just your brain? Is each neuron in your brain aware? The way i see it we, and every living thing are neurons within god and yes god has consciousness through us.

Totally unsupported assertion. One cell from my body is not aware. That takes a brain of a specific level of complexity Your analogy fails. You're entitled to your point of view, of course, as nonsensical as it might be.
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2/19/2015 3:25:47 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/19/2015 2:28:19 PM, drpiek wrote:
At 2/19/2015 2:19:19 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 2/19/2015 1:33:38 PM, dhardage wrote:
At 2/19/2015 1:30:51 PM, drpiek wrote:
At 2/19/2015 1:22:41 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 2/19/2015 1:12:37 PM, drpiek wrote:
and then something changed, ad infinitum.


That's it, that's god, an ever changing, even existing thing that we have a great interest in understanding.

God =/= the universe. The universe = the universe.

Did God tell you that, if not how do you know?

Forgive me for butting in, but did God tell you? How do you know?

Lol, this was my first thought as well.

Since we are all part of God, when ever anyone speaks with me it is another aspect of god communicating with me. Everyone is just an aspect of God. So in that aspect, yeah.

You're espousing pantheism which recognizes no deity per se, just the collective consciousness of al things.
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2/19/2015 4:10:43 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/19/2015 2:31:23 PM, drpiek wrote:
At 2/19/2015 2:13:02 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 2/19/2015 1:30:51 PM, drpiek wrote:
At 2/19/2015 1:22:41 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 2/19/2015 1:12:37 PM, drpiek wrote:
and then something changed, ad infinitum.


That's it, that's god, an ever changing, even existing thing that we have a great interest in understanding.

God =/= the universe. The universe = the universe.

Did God tell you that, if not how do you know?

I know that the universe is quite well defined by the word and meaning given by the term "universe". Obviously, you feel "God" needs to be redefined.

How do you define god? Likely as something that does not exist. The universe was one of the changes and after this universe is gone, god will still be. I have redefined nothing.

I understand God as some sort of conscious transcendental being outside of existence (and that is subject to change depending on which theist I am talking to) That does not describe the universe, energy, love, or a baloney sandwich. Also, if we equate the universe to god then if the universe is gone, so is god. Are you saying you define god as something other than the universe? Have I misunderstood your statement? If so, define god. Give me the attributes/traits/descriptions, and not what you equate him/her/it to.
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What the hell kind of coked up sideshow has this thread turned into. - Casten
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2/19/2015 4:13:21 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/19/2015 2:28:19 PM, drpiek wrote:
At 2/19/2015 2:19:19 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 2/19/2015 1:33:38 PM, dhardage wrote:
At 2/19/2015 1:30:51 PM, drpiek wrote:
At 2/19/2015 1:22:41 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 2/19/2015 1:12:37 PM, drpiek wrote:
and then something changed, ad infinitum.


That's it, that's god, an ever changing, even existing thing that we have a great interest in understanding.

God =/= the universe. The universe = the universe.

Did God tell you that, if not how do you know?

Forgive me for butting in, but did God tell you? How do you know?

Lol, this was my first thought as well.

Since we are all part of God, when ever anyone speaks with me it is another aspect of god communicating with me. Everyone is just an aspect of God. So in that aspect, yeah.

Well, if we are going to define God as existence, then yes, God told me. ;-)
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What the hell kind of coked up sideshow has this thread turned into. - Casten
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2/19/2015 8:36:09 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/19/2015 4:10:43 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 2/19/2015 2:31:23 PM, drpiek wrote:
At 2/19/2015 2:13:02 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 2/19/2015 1:30:51 PM, drpiek wrote:
At 2/19/2015 1:22:41 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 2/19/2015 1:12:37 PM, drpiek wrote:
and then something changed, ad infinitum.


That's it, that's god, an ever changing, even existing thing that we have a great interest in understanding.

God =/= the universe. The universe = the universe.

Did God tell you that, if not how do you know?

I know that the universe is quite well defined by the word and meaning given by the term "universe". Obviously, you feel "God" needs to be redefined.

How do you define god? Likely as something that does not exist. The universe was one of the changes and after this universe is gone, god will still be. I have redefined nothing.

I understand God as some sort of conscious transcendental being outside of existence (and that is subject to change depending on which theist I am talking to) That does not describe the universe, energy, love, or a baloney sandwich. Also, if we equate the universe to god then if the universe is gone, so is god. Are you saying you define god as something other than the universe? Have I misunderstood your statement? If so, define god. Give me the attributes/traits/descriptions, and not what you equate him/her/it to.

God is the sum of all things, all good that there is and all evil, all consciousness, and all energy. God is existence and the void. God is that which always has existed and always will.
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2/19/2015 8:37:29 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/19/2015 3:25:47 PM, dhardage wrote:
At 2/19/2015 2:28:19 PM, drpiek wrote:
At 2/19/2015 2:19:19 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 2/19/2015 1:33:38 PM, dhardage wrote:
At 2/19/2015 1:30:51 PM, drpiek wrote:
At 2/19/2015 1:22:41 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 2/19/2015 1:12:37 PM, drpiek wrote:
and then something changed, ad infinitum.


That's it, that's god, an ever changing, even existing thing that we have a great interest in understanding.

God =/= the universe. The universe = the universe.

Did God tell you that, if not how do you know?

Forgive me for butting in, but did God tell you? How do you know?

Lol, this was my first thought as well.

Since we are all part of God, when ever anyone speaks with me it is another aspect of god communicating with me. Everyone is just an aspect of God. So in that aspect, yeah.

You're espousing pantheism which recognizes no deity per se, just the collective consciousness of al things.

panENtheism not pantheism. Panentheism is pantheism with a god.
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2/19/2015 8:38:40 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/19/2015 4:13:21 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 2/19/2015 2:28:19 PM, drpiek wrote:
At 2/19/2015 2:19:19 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 2/19/2015 1:33:38 PM, dhardage wrote:
At 2/19/2015 1:30:51 PM, drpiek wrote:
At 2/19/2015 1:22:41 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 2/19/2015 1:12:37 PM, drpiek wrote:
and then something changed, ad infinitum.


That's it, that's god, an ever changing, even existing thing that we have a great interest in understanding.

God =/= the universe. The universe = the universe.

Did God tell you that, if not how do you know?

Forgive me for butting in, but did God tell you? How do you know?

Lol, this was my first thought as well.

Since we are all part of God, when ever anyone speaks with me it is another aspect of god communicating with me. Everyone is just an aspect of God. So in that aspect, yeah.

Well, if we are going to define God as existence, then yes, God told me. ;-)

I did not define God as just existence, that is just one of gods attributes. But glad to hear he speaks to you.
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2/19/2015 8:40:48 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/19/2015 2:42:49 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 2/19/2015 1:44:02 PM, drpiek wrote:
At 2/19/2015 1:29:09 PM, drpiek wrote:
At 2/19/2015 1:12:37 PM, drpiek wrote:
and then something changed, ad infinitum.


That's it, that's god, an ever changing, even existing thing that we have a great interest in understanding.


Cognition exists within god I did not redefine anything.


I am saying humans are within god.

Hilarious, after centuries of trying to understand God, we are offered little more than magical thinking and pseudo-intellectual mumbo jumbo.

Not true it is the search for god that brought us to science. look up the history, granted after science started making lots of progress religion got scared but I am not religious so who cares.
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2/19/2015 8:56:30 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/19/2015 8:40:48 PM, drpiek wrote:
At 2/19/2015 2:42:49 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 2/19/2015 1:44:02 PM, drpiek wrote:
At 2/19/2015 1:29:09 PM, drpiek wrote:
At 2/19/2015 1:12:37 PM, drpiek wrote:
and then something changed, ad infinitum.


That's it, that's god, an ever changing, even existing thing that we have a great interest in understanding.


Cognition exists within god I did not redefine anything.


I am saying humans are within god.

Hilarious, after centuries of trying to understand God, we are offered little more than magical thinking and pseudo-intellectual mumbo jumbo.

Not true it is the search for god that brought us to science.

And, how does that help you understand God? It actually helps us understand the world around us, which is not showing any gods at all.

look up the history, granted after science started making lots of progress religion got scared but I am not religious so who cares.

So, you got nothing, then?
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
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2/19/2015 11:03:31 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/19/2015 1:44:02 PM, drpiek wrote:
At 2/19/2015 1:38:06 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 2/19/2015 1:29:09 PM, drpiek wrote:
At 2/19/2015 1:16:30 PM, dhardage wrote:
At 2/19/2015 1:12:37 PM, drpiek wrote:
and then something changed, ad infinitum.


That's it, that's god, an ever changing, even existing thing that we have a great interest in understanding.

Now you're redefining God as an impersonal universe, something with no cognition of volition.

Cognition exists within god I did not redefine anything.

Cognition is a mental process. Are you saying God is human? God must be if it is driven by a mental process.

I am saying humans are within god.

Explain this sentence^

Within?
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2/20/2015 5:54:45 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/19/2015 11:03:31 PM, intellectuallyprimitive wrote:
At 2/19/2015 1:44:02 PM, drpiek wrote:
At 2/19/2015 1:38:06 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 2/19/2015 1:29:09 PM, drpiek wrote:
At 2/19/2015 1:16:30 PM, dhardage wrote:
At 2/19/2015 1:12:37 PM, drpiek wrote:
and then something changed, ad infinitum.


That's it, that's god, an ever changing, even existing thing that we have a great interest in understanding.

Now you're redefining God as an impersonal universe, something with no cognition of volition.

Cognition exists within god I did not redefine anything.

Cognition is a mental process. Are you saying God is human? God must be if it is driven by a mental process.

I am saying humans are within god.

Explain this sentence^

Within?

More correctly, everything is a manifestation of God.