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7/10/2010 8:58:49 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
Should he be given the same status as God himself? I mean he is a son, not the original god. I guess this opinion, but could anyone else comment on this topic. It is a bit fuzzy to me.
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7/10/2010 9:00:05 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
Are you not a trinitarian? I have talked to a few Christians in the past who reject the concept of the trinity. They're a minority though.
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7/10/2010 9:00:40 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
I'm confused...

If the Bible is the most heinous work of man, how do you know anything about Jesus is true, that he's really the son of God, etc?

What do your "feelings" tell you is the answer to your question?
In the middle of moving to Washington. 8D

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7/10/2010 9:05:51 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/10/2010 9:00:40 AM, Yvette wrote:
I'm confused...

If the Bible is the most heinous work of man, how do you know anything about Jesus is true, that he's really the son of God, etc?

What do your "feelings" tell you is the answer to your question?

Forgive me yvette, it is early in the morning here. But I learned of Jesus through a lesson with God, not the bible. And stop the "feelings thing". I am not some drug addicted gypsy. But the question is if his status, not existence.
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7/10/2010 9:11:41 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/10/2010 8:58:49 AM, cjl wrote:
Should he be given the same status as God himself? I mean he is a son, not the original god. I guess this opinion, but could anyone else comment on this topic. It is a bit fuzzy to me.

The trinity holds that God is tri-partite. God is therefore the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost.

Jesus is the the son of God, which is not logically consistent, and also God, which is even less logically consistent.

Of course trying to get a Christian to explain the trinity is like trying to get the Pope to make a stand against paedophilic priests.
I am voting for Innomen because of his intelligence, common sense, humility and the fact that Juggle appears to listen to him. Any other Presidential style would have a large sub-section of the site up in arms. If I was President I would destroy the site though elitism, others would let it run riot. Innomen represents a middle way that works, neither draconian nor anarchic and that is the only way things can work. Plus he does it all without ego trips.
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7/10/2010 9:12:56 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/10/2010 9:05:51 AM, cjl wrote:
At 7/10/2010 9:00:40 AM, Yvette wrote:
I'm confused...

If the Bible is the most heinous work of man, how do you know anything about Jesus is true, that he's really the son of God, etc?

What do your "feelings" tell you is the answer to your question?

But I learned of Jesus through a lesson with God, not the bible.

Could you explain that?
I am voting for Innomen because of his intelligence, common sense, humility and the fact that Juggle appears to listen to him. Any other Presidential style would have a large sub-section of the site up in arms. If I was President I would destroy the site though elitism, others would let it run riot. Innomen represents a middle way that works, neither draconian nor anarchic and that is the only way things can work. Plus he does it all without ego trips.
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7/10/2010 9:13:06 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/10/2010 9:11:41 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
At 7/10/2010 8:58:49 AM, cjl wrote:
Should he be given the same status as God himself? I mean he is a son, not the original god. I guess this opinion, but could anyone else comment on this topic. It is a bit fuzzy to me.

The trinity holds that God is tri-partite. God is therefore the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost.

Jesus is the the son of God, which is not logically consistent, and also God, which is even less logically consistent.

Of course trying to get a Christian to explain the trinity is like trying to get the Pope to make a stand against paedophilic priests.

Funny, true, and informative. Love the way you talk. It is that of a smart man.
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7/10/2010 9:16:22 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/10/2010 9:12:56 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
At 7/10/2010 9:05:51 AM, cjl wrote:
At 7/10/2010 9:00:40 AM, Yvette wrote:
I'm confused...

If the Bible is the most heinous work of man, how do you know anything about Jesus is true, that he's really the son of God, etc?

What do your "feelings" tell you is the answer to your question?

But I learned of Jesus through a lesson with God, not the bible.

Could you explain that?

Mhm. Well, when I was done yelling at the neighbor for cussing at my 3 yo nephew, and calling the fool a c*ck sucking b*stard, God said just learn from this. Jesus went to the grave to take your sin.
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7/10/2010 9:22:25 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/10/2010 9:05:51 AM, cjl wrote:
At 7/10/2010 9:00:40 AM, Yvette wrote:
I'm confused...

If the Bible is the most heinous work of man, how do you know anything about Jesus is true, that he's really the son of God, etc?

What do your "feelings" tell you is the answer to your question?

Forgive me yvette, it is early in the morning here. But I learned of Jesus through a lesson with God, not the bible. And stop the "feelings thing". I am not some drug addicted gypsy. But the question is if his status, not existence.

So what about all the people who get talked to and hear completely different things? From different gods, too?
In the middle of moving to Washington. 8D

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7/10/2010 9:29:53 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/10/2010 9:22:25 AM, Yvette wrote:
At 7/10/2010 9:05:51 AM, cjl wrote:
At 7/10/2010 9:00:40 AM, Yvette wrote:
I'm confused...

If the Bible is the most heinous work of man, how do you know anything about Jesus is true, that he's really the son of God, etc?

What do your "feelings" tell you is the answer to your question?

Forgive me yvette, it is early in the morning here. But I learned of Jesus through a lesson with God, not the bible. And stop the "feelings thing". I am not some drug addicted gypsy. But the question is if his status, not existence.

So what about all the people who get talked to and hear completely different things? From different gods, too?

From his logic, they are all drug addicted gypsy...Unless of course, its his exact god, right down to what that god's opinion on everything is. Unless it's his version of god alone, then everyone else is a drug addicted gypsy.
The logic in his statements are palpable.
I miss the old members.
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7/10/2010 9:30:39 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/10/2010 9:16:22 AM, cjl wrote:
At 7/10/2010 9:12:56 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
At 7/10/2010 9:05:51 AM, cjl wrote:
At 7/10/2010 9:00:40 AM, Yvette wrote:
I'm confused...

If the Bible is the most heinous work of man, how do you know anything about Jesus is true, that he's really the son of God, etc?

What do your "feelings" tell you is the answer to your question?

But I learned of Jesus through a lesson with God, not the bible.

Could you explain that?

Mhm. Well, when I was done yelling at the neighbor for cussing at my 3 yo nephew, and calling the fool a c*ck sucking b*stard, God said just learn from this. Jesus went to the grave to take your sin.

You actually heard the voice of God saying this?
I am voting for Innomen because of his intelligence, common sense, humility and the fact that Juggle appears to listen to him. Any other Presidential style would have a large sub-section of the site up in arms. If I was President I would destroy the site though elitism, others would let it run riot. Innomen represents a middle way that works, neither draconian nor anarchic and that is the only way things can work. Plus he does it all without ego trips.
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7/10/2010 9:31:17 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/10/2010 9:29:53 AM, Atheism wrote:
At 7/10/2010 9:22:25 AM, Yvette wrote:
At 7/10/2010 9:05:51 AM, cjl wrote:
At 7/10/2010 9:00:40 AM, Yvette wrote:
I'm confused...

If the Bible is the most heinous work of man, how do you know anything about Jesus is true, that he's really the son of God, etc?

What do your "feelings" tell you is the answer to your question?

Forgive me yvette, it is early in the morning here. But I learned of Jesus through a lesson with God, not the bible. And stop the "feelings thing". I am not some drug addicted gypsy. But the question is if his status, not existence.

So what about all the people who get talked to and hear completely different things? From different gods, too?

From his logic, they are all drug addicted gypsy...Unless of course, its his exact god, right down to what that god's opinion on everything is. Unless it's his version of god alone, then everyone else is a drug addicted gypsy.
The logic in his statements are palpable.

It makes me sad that the smart theists defend his ridiculous logic.
In the middle of moving to Washington. 8D

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7/10/2010 9:32:08 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
So, Cjl, if I go and slaughter thousands, and then I hear a voice talking to me, praising me, and I assume its Jebus, its ok? Just trying to get a feel for your supposed logic.
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7/10/2010 9:32:40 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
Believe whatever the Hell you want. Buddha would kick Jesus's butt though. Geo has me convinced.
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7/10/2010 9:32:52 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/10/2010 9:30:39 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
At 7/10/2010 9:16:22 AM, cjl wrote:
At 7/10/2010 9:12:56 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
At 7/10/2010 9:05:51 AM, cjl wrote:
At 7/10/2010 9:00:40 AM, Yvette wrote:
I'm confused...

If the Bible is the most heinous work of man, how do you know anything about Jesus is true, that he's really the son of God, etc?

What do your "feelings" tell you is the answer to your question?

But I learned of Jesus through a lesson with God, not the bible.

Could you explain that?

Mhm. Well, when I was done yelling at the neighbor for cussing at my 3 yo nephew, and calling the fool a c*ck sucking b*stard, God said just learn from this. Jesus went to the grave to take your sin.

You actually heard the voice of God saying this?

In my head.
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7/10/2010 9:35:09 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/10/2010 9:32:52 AM, cjl wrote:
At 7/10/2010 9:30:39 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
At 7/10/2010 9:16:22 AM, cjl wrote:
At 7/10/2010 9:12:56 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
At 7/10/2010 9:05:51 AM, cjl wrote:
At 7/10/2010 9:00:40 AM, Yvette wrote:
I'm confused...

If the Bible is the most heinous work of man, how do you know anything about Jesus is true, that he's really the son of God, etc?

What do your "feelings" tell you is the answer to your question?

But I learned of Jesus through a lesson with God, not the bible.

Could you explain that?

Mhm. Well, when I was done yelling at the neighbor for cussing at my 3 yo nephew, and calling the fool a c*ck sucking b*stard, God said just learn from this. Jesus went to the grave to take your sin.

You actually heard the voice of God saying this?

In my head.

Facepalm of epic proportions. What if Jesus said to start beating up the guy and then smacking him with a sledgehammer? Would you do it?
I miss the old members.
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7/10/2010 9:42:31 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/10/2010 9:32:52 AM, cjl wrote:
At 7/10/2010 9:30:39 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
At 7/10/2010 9:16:22 AM, cjl wrote:
At 7/10/2010 9:12:56 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
At 7/10/2010 9:05:51 AM, cjl wrote:
At 7/10/2010 9:00:40 AM, Yvette wrote:
I'm confused...

If the Bible is the most heinous work of man, how do you know anything about Jesus is true, that he's really the son of God, etc?

What do your "feelings" tell you is the answer to your question?

But I learned of Jesus through a lesson with God, not the bible.

Could you explain that?

Mhm. Well, when I was done yelling at the neighbor for cussing at my 3 yo nephew, and calling the fool a c*ck sucking b*stard, God said just learn from this. Jesus went to the grave to take your sin.

You actually heard the voice of God saying this?

In my head.

If you are easily offended or uninterested in discussing this matter then ignore this post.

Just a few questions.

1: Does God regularly talk to you?
2: If so does what he say form a consistent pattern?
3: Have you considered alternative explanations. Such as halluncinations?
4: Have you ever suffered from hallucinations?
5: Have you ever taken drugs, were you on drugs at the time?
6: What was your religious status before the conversation?
7: Why do you suppose that God spoke to you, and not everyone else as well?
8: What was your immediate reaction?
I am voting for Innomen because of his intelligence, common sense, humility and the fact that Juggle appears to listen to him. Any other Presidential style would have a large sub-section of the site up in arms. If I was President I would destroy the site though elitism, others would let it run riot. Innomen represents a middle way that works, neither draconian nor anarchic and that is the only way things can work. Plus he does it all without ego trips.
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7/10/2010 9:49:06 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/10/2010 9:47:19 AM, cjl wrote:
PM me if you want to discuss this.

I'm sorry, but I can't help myself...

Shouldn't you only listen to the PM's, from God, in your head.

See, lucky I apologised first. That makes it ok, right?
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7/10/2010 9:52:05 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/10/2010 9:47:19 AM, cjl wrote:
PM me if you want to discuss this.

Why?
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7/10/2010 9:55:06 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/10/2010 9:52:05 AM, Yvette wrote:
At 7/10/2010 9:47:19 AM, cjl wrote:
PM me if you want to discuss this.

Why?

Because thats the way he wants to do it, anyway I have.

I am always fascinated by people who claim to talk to God, that is why I gave DATCMOTO so many chances to actually engage in the forum.
I am voting for Innomen because of his intelligence, common sense, humility and the fact that Juggle appears to listen to him. Any other Presidential style would have a large sub-section of the site up in arms. If I was President I would destroy the site though elitism, others would let it run riot. Innomen represents a middle way that works, neither draconian nor anarchic and that is the only way things can work. Plus he does it all without ego trips.
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7/10/2010 9:57:25 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/10/2010 9:55:06 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
At 7/10/2010 9:52:05 AM, Yvette wrote:
At 7/10/2010 9:47:19 AM, cjl wrote:
PM me if you want to discuss this.

Why?

Because thats the way he wants to do it, anyway I have.

I am always fascinated by people who claim to talk to God, that is why I gave DATCMOTO so many chances to actually engage in the forum.

You have? Never knew.
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7/10/2010 10:01:58 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/10/2010 9:57:25 AM, cjl wrote:
At 7/10/2010 9:55:06 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
At 7/10/2010 9:52:05 AM, Yvette wrote:
At 7/10/2010 9:47:19 AM, cjl wrote:
PM me if you want to discuss this.

Why?

Because thats the way he wants to do it, anyway I have.

I am always fascinated by people who claim to talk to God, that is why I gave DATCMOTO so many chances to actually engage in the forum.

You have? Never knew.
Goodie, I can't even PM you because you closed it off. You tell us to, but then you don't let us.
How childish.
I miss the old members.
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7/10/2010 10:02:56 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/10/2010 10:01:58 AM, Atheism wrote:
At 7/10/2010 9:57:25 AM, cjl wrote:
At 7/10/2010 9:55:06 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
At 7/10/2010 9:52:05 AM, Yvette wrote:
At 7/10/2010 9:47:19 AM, cjl wrote:
PM me if you want to discuss this.

Why?

Because thats the way he wants to do it, anyway I have.

I am always fascinated by people who claim to talk to God, that is why I gave DATCMOTO so many chances to actually engage in the forum.

You have? Never knew.
Goodie, I can't even PM you because you closed it off. You tell us to, but then you don't let us.
How childish.

LOL.

Wow.

"Stop questioning my beliefs all at once on a forum I can't handle the pressure PM me one at a time except you can't PM me ahahahahaha!"
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7/10/2010 10:03:26 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/10/2010 10:01:58 AM, Atheism wrote:
At 7/10/2010 9:57:25 AM, cjl wrote:
At 7/10/2010 9:55:06 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
At 7/10/2010 9:52:05 AM, Yvette wrote:
At 7/10/2010 9:47:19 AM, cjl wrote:
PM me if you want to discuss this.

Why?

Because thats the way he wants to do it, anyway I have.

I am always fascinated by people who claim to talk to God, that is why I gave DATCMOTO so many chances to actually engage in the forum.

You have? Never knew.
Goodie, I can't even PM you because you closed it off. You tell us to, but then you don't let us.
How childish.

No I blocked you. Let me undo it.
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7/10/2010 2:37:04 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/10/2010 9:32:40 AM, tvellalott wrote:
Believe whatever the Hell you want. Buddha would kick Jesus's butt though. Geo has me convinced.

I never said such thing. Buddha doesn't commit violent acts.
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7/10/2010 2:39:20 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
"We must raise the standard of the Old, free, decentralized, and strictly limited Republic."
-- Murray Rothbard

"The worst thing that can happen to a good cause is, not to be skillfully attacked, but to be ineptly defended."
-- Frederic Bastiat
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7/10/2010 4:23:06 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/10/2010 3:07:25 PM, ravenwaen wrote:
*puts up a big sign with bold red lettering*

DO NOT FEED THE TROLL
He's not a troll, just a terrible debater, at least about God. Little difference, but there are signs.
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7/12/2010 3:49:34 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/10/2010 8:58:49 AM, cjl wrote:
Should he be given the same status as God himself? I mean he is a son, not the original god. I guess this opinion, but could anyone else comment on this topic. It is a bit fuzzy to me.

He is His WORD, His MEANING, His TRUE EXPRESSION.

He IS God.
The Cross.. the Cross.