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pachomius
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7/11/2010 2:17:00 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
Atheists describe themselves as just lacking any belief in gods whatever.

I have a crucial question for them:

What is your (atheists') concept of gods?

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7/11/2010 2:22:38 PM
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I do not believe in any concept of God, since I do not believe there to ever have been a God, at least in the way humans have described Him/Her to be. For me, belief in a God is nonessential.
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7/11/2010 2:22:48 PM
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If one does exist, then it is a short-sighted, impractical, and overbearing God.
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7/11/2010 2:24:39 PM
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I don't except the concept of faith.

So unless I were to define God as myself, as some sense that I have or as existence itself it doesn't really matter.
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7/11/2010 2:25:37 PM
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At 7/11/2010 2:24:39 PM, FREEDO wrote:
I don't except the concept of faith.

So unless I were to define God as myself, as some sense that I have or as existence itself it doesn't really matter.

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7/11/2010 2:27:38 PM
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At 7/11/2010 2:25:37 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 7/11/2010 2:24:39 PM, FREEDO wrote:
I don't except the concept of faith.

So unless I were to define God as myself, as some sense that I have or as existence itself it doesn't really matter.

http://www.debate.org...

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7/11/2010 2:28:10 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/11/2010 2:25:37 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 7/11/2010 2:24:39 PM, FREEDO wrote:
I don't except the concept of faith.

So unless I were to define God as myself, as some sense that I have or as existence itself it doesn't really matter.

http://www.debate.org...

Funny, except God doesn't need to have faith in himself. He knows he exists therefore doesn't need evidence or facts to prove his own existence.
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7/11/2010 2:29:33 PM
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I don't have a concept of God, but rather, I reject the concept of God put forth by the majority of the world's population.

"Theists believe that reality's ultimate principle is God—an omnipotent, omniscient, goodness that is the creative ground of everything other than itself. Monotheism is the view that there is only one such God." - http://plato.stanford.edu...
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7/11/2010 2:30:00 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/11/2010 2:28:10 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 7/11/2010 2:25:37 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 7/11/2010 2:24:39 PM, FREEDO wrote:
I don't except the concept of faith.

So unless I were to define God as myself, as some sense that I have or as existence itself it doesn't really matter.

http://www.debate.org...

Funny, except God doesn't need to have faith in himself. He knows he exists therefore doesn't need evidence or facts to prove his own existence.

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7/11/2010 2:30:20 PM
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A fair question. "God", capital G, generally refers to the Judeo-Christian god. "Gods", lowercase G, to me refers to...broadly, anything generally thought of as a "god". The characteristics of gods vary wildly between cultures and times, which makes it a difficult line to draw. It is easier to simply use examples, but a god is a being which is transcendental, immortal (some cultures have non-immortal gods however), conscious, non-mortal (I'm not sure how to define this, what I mean is existing supernaturally) and holds a measure of power or authority over reality or the laws of it. I'm not very good at definitions, however I do wish to exclude concepts like "spirits" or "witches" for example as well as very vague concepts which don't really qualify as "beings".

The term "higher being" kind of sums it up I think. Anything from Zeus and friends to a deist's god.

Hope that helps.
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7/11/2010 2:36:49 PM
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At 7/11/2010 2:17:00 PM, pachomius wrote:
Atheists describe themselves as just lacking any belief in gods whatever.

I have a crucial question for them:

What is your (atheists') concept of gods?


Pachomius

I do not know what a squirtlepuff is or a hibbabibbabubbapot.
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7/11/2010 2:44:55 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/11/2010 2:17:00 PM, pachomius wrote:
Atheists describe themselves as just lacking any belief in gods whatever.

I have a crucial question for them:

What is your (atheists') concept of gods?


Pachomius

Your description of an Atheist is also....a little lacking, I guess. Here's two types that seem to be accepted:

De-facto Atheist: I cannot know for certain but I think God is very improbable and I live my life under the assumption that he is not there.

Strong Atheist: I am 100% sure that there is no God.

Most atheists are De-facto, since reason alone cannot account for 100% certainty.

So, it's not that we "describe ourselves as just lacking any belief in gods whatever", but really because there is no evidence, it seems logically unfounded and it doesn't seem to change our lives by living under the assumption of there being no god/God.
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7/11/2010 2:45:23 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/11/2010 2:36:49 PM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
At 7/11/2010 2:17:00 PM, pachomius wrote:
Atheists describe themselves as just lacking any belief in gods whatever.

I have a crucial question for them:

What is your (atheists') concept of gods?


Pachomius

I do not know what a squirtlepuff is or a hibbabibbabubbapot.

Dont forget the Machachaunasima and the gobbledegouperitius.
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7/11/2010 3:06:26 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/11/2010 2:17:00 PM, pachomius wrote:
Atheists describe themselves as just lacking any belief in gods whatever.

I have a crucial question for them:

What is your (atheists') concept of gods?


Pachomius

Gods can be anything.

Since man has never been able to fully understand the world around him he has ascribed the things he cannot explain to the work of "higher beings".

In more primitive times they may have been the sun, the moon and the stars or certain animals and now it is more human-like forms such as Buddha and the Abrahamic "God" / "Allah".
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7/11/2010 4:01:14 PM
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At 7/11/2010 3:06:26 PM, brian_eggleston wrote:
At 7/11/2010 2:17:00 PM, pachomius wrote:
Atheists describe themselves as just lacking any belief in gods whatever.

I have a crucial question for them:

What is your (atheists') concept of gods?


Pachomius

Gods can be anything.

Since man has never been able to fully understand the world around him he has ascribed the things he cannot explain to the work of "higher beings".

In more primitive times they may have been the sun, the moon and the stars or certain animals and now it is more human-like forms such as Buddha and the Abrahamic "God" / "Allah".

Buddhists don't worship Buddha as God, do they?
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7/11/2010 4:03:44 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/11/2010 4:01:14 PM, Denote wrote:
Buddhists don't worship Buddha as God, do they?

Nope. Buddha explicitly denied being a God. I don't know of any sect that thinks he is a God. The only religion that does is Hinduism.
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7/11/2010 4:08:32 PM
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At 7/11/2010 2:17:00 PM, pachomius wrote:
Atheists describe themselves as just lacking any belief in gods whatever.

I have a crucial question for them:

What is your (atheists') concept of gods?


Pachomius

Any deity worsipped by Theists.
I imagine him as a bearded sky wizard.
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7/11/2010 4:09:00 PM
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God/s are a way for cultures and individuals to project their ideas, emotions and justifications unto the real world. Gods of any culture often represent that culture in several ways, whether its the Abrahamic God that caters to the Levant societies, and the various political and cultural realities within them, or the old Greek gods which were curiously focused on the sea and sky, mainstays of Greek life and thought.

Essentially, any God can be explained anthropologically. There is no real mystery behind it that cannot be explained through looking at historical and cultural studies.
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7/11/2010 4:19:05 PM
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At 7/11/2010 4:08:32 PM, tvellalott wrote:
Any deity worsipped by Theists.
I imagine him as a bearded sky wizard.

That's actually the traditional idea of God, especially in the Abrahamic tradition. Though, Theists seem to be embarrassed of this idea and vehemently deny it saying it's an immature understanding of God and instead assert something incredibly vague.
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7/11/2010 4:31:30 PM
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Perhaps I should have first asked whether atheists are emotionally comfortable with the idea of God in the Christian faith or uncomfortable.

So, here goes:

Are you who call yourself an atheist emotionally comfortable with the idea of God in the Christian faith or uncomfortable, and why?

Pachomius
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7/11/2010 4:48:28 PM
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At 7/11/2010 4:31:30 PM, pachomius wrote:
Perhaps I should have first asked whether atheists are emotionally comfortable with the idea of God in the Christian faith or uncomfortable.


So, here goes:

Are you who call yourself an atheist emotionally comfortable with the idea of God in the Christian faith or uncomfortable, and why?



Pachomius

That seems like an entirely different question and subject.

As for myself, and this seems to be the common feeling, is that...well, first, let me make something clear. There's more than one idea of God, within the Christian faith as well. There is not one idea of the Christian God. There are ideas of "him" as loving, as wrathful, as very human, as simply a "higher being", as jealous, etc. There are many diverging and conflicting ideas of the Christian God from Christians themselves.

I think most atheists would be unhappy if the God of the Bible were real, because of his jealousy, his wrath, his cruelty, his widespread murder and genocide and forcing of people's hands, his intense immorality. I am especially one of these.

As for a loving, forgiving, not-jealous God? Aside from the fact that the way of the world contradicts such a possibility, I and I think most atheists (myself included) would want this to be true. Cerebral is a good example of this, he desperately wants to believe. The fact is, however, we see little evidence of this, and while this seems to be the god Christians say they worship, the Biblical God seems to be the one they really believe in.
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7/11/2010 4:50:50 PM
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At 7/11/2010 4:45:58 PM, Denote wrote:
I'm not an atheist, but what does that even mean?...

What does what mean?
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7/11/2010 4:51:49 PM
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At 7/11/2010 4:50:50 PM, Yvette wrote:
At 7/11/2010 4:45:58 PM, Denote wrote:
I'm not an atheist, but what does that even mean?...

What does what mean?

That
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7/11/2010 4:55:24 PM
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At 7/11/2010 4:51:49 PM, Denote wrote:
At 7/11/2010 4:50:50 PM, Yvette wrote:
At 7/11/2010 4:45:58 PM, Denote wrote:
I'm not an atheist, but what does that even mean?...

What does what mean?

That

Right...
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7/11/2010 5:15:35 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/11/2010 4:48:28 PM, Yvette wrote:
At 7/11/2010 4:31:30 PM, pachomius wrote:
Perhaps I should have first asked whether atheists are emotionally comfortable with the idea of God in the Christian faith or uncomfortable.


So, here goes:

Are you who call yourself an atheist emotionally comfortable with the idea of God in the Christian faith or uncomfortable, and why?



Pachomius

That seems like an entirely different question and subject.

As for myself, and this seems to be the common feeling, is that...well, first, let me make something clear. There's more than one idea of God, within the Christian faith as well. There is not one idea of the Christian God. There are ideas of "him" as loving, as wrathful, as very human, as simply a "higher being", as jealous, etc. There are many diverging and conflicting ideas of the Christian God from Christians themselves.

I think most atheists would be unhappy if the God of the Bible were real, because of his jealousy, his wrath, his cruelty, his widespread murder and genocide and forcing of people's hands, his intense immorality. I am especially one of these.


I'm always amazed when moral nihlists and/or relativists take such strong moral positions. :)
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7/11/2010 5:39:25 PM
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At 7/11/2010 4:31:30 PM, pachomius wrote:
Perhaps I should have first asked whether atheists are emotionally comfortable with the idea of God in the Christian faith or uncomfortable.


So, here goes:

Are you who call yourself an atheist emotionally comfortable with the idea of God in the Christian faith or uncomfortable, and why?



Pachomius

I'm highly uncomfortable with the idea of God & his army of dead people in the sky watching me go to the toilet and masterbate.
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7/11/2010 5:50:47 PM
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At 7/11/2010 4:31:30 PM, pachomius wrote:
Perhaps I should have first asked whether atheists are emotionally comfortable with the idea of God in the Christian faith or uncomfortable.

I was a Christian for the majority of my life, and not just a luke-warm. I was serious about the Christian faith and was emotionally attached to it. So, obviously, I am capable of being comfortable with this being. However, after further philosophical introspection, I realize God is not desirable.

So, here goes:

Are you who call yourself an atheist emotionally comfortable with the idea of God in the Christian faith or uncomfortable, and why?

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