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2/24/2015 9:55:01 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
Little did we realise when we bought our previous property in Wales, a 17th Century farmhouse together with a three acre field, in February 1997 that it would soon be the focus of some weird and wacky events and media attention.

We had only been living in the house for about two weeks when a reporter from our local weekly paper told us that an Irish couple, on a walking tour of the area, had rested at the gate of our hillside field, and had apparently seen a vision of the Virgin Mary. They claimed that they had been healed of their ailments, a frozen shoulder and a cataract.

The national media took an interest in our story, and by June 1997 our quiet country lane was beginning to resemble a mini Lourdes. Many people came looking for a cure; sadly some were dying of cancer. Although I have not heard of anyone who visited our field having been cured of the disease, I have been told that lesser medical problems have responded positively to the vibes supposedly coming from the field. Two Americans claimed to have found healing. One left a note, and another contacted me via a website.

One evening in May 1997 I was standing at the gate of the field when I saw what looked like the popular image of the Virgin Mary. As she was unlikely to have looked anything like the picture book image, I am of the opinion I saw what I wanted to see, my mind having created the 'vision'!

Some years later the local paper reported that a gentleman had been saved from committing suicide after a trip to our field!

I too received a "miracle" cure when I had a painful frozen shoulder, which had defied the best efforts of my doctor. I stood at the field gate for about five minutes and found that it was considerably less painful, by the next day it was completely cured; I have not had any trouble with it since! I think my body"s own healing mechanisms kicked in, the field acting as a catalyst.

We have been informed by "healers" and "experts" in this sort of phenomenon that our field did indeed have special healing powers! Hmmmmmmmmmmm!

Whilst we lived there people were welcome to stand at the gate and enjoy the peace and tranquillity. If it helped them achieve healing for mind and body that was wonderful. We did not make any money out of our "miracle" field, in spite of being encouraged to do so, as we thought that would be wrong. My husband and I are non believers and sceptics, we didn't believe the field had supernatural powers.

Weird stuff of the 'haunted' kind began to occur in the house on an almost daily basis, but that is another story.

We sold the property in 2012.
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2/24/2015 10:16:36 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/24/2015 9:55:01 AM, JJ50 wrote:
Little did we realise when we bought our previous property in Wales, a 17th Century farmhouse together with a three acre field, in February 1997 that it would soon be the focus of some weird and wacky events and media attention.

We had only been living in the house for about two weeks when a reporter from our local weekly paper told us that an Irish couple, on a walking tour of the area, had rested at the gate of our hillside field, and had apparently seen a vision of the Virgin Mary. They claimed that they had been healed of their ailments, a frozen shoulder and a cataract.

The national media took an interest in our story, and by June 1997 our quiet country lane was beginning to resemble a mini Lourdes. Many people came looking for a cure; sadly some were dying of cancer. Although I have not heard of anyone who visited our field having been cured of the disease, I have been told that lesser medical problems have responded positively to the vibes supposedly coming from the field. Two Americans claimed to have found healing. One left a note, and another contacted me via a website.

One evening in May 1997 I was standing at the gate of the field when I saw what looked like the popular image of the Virgin Mary. As she was unlikely to have looked anything like the picture book image, I am of the opinion I saw what I wanted to see, my mind having created the 'vision'!

Some years later the local paper reported that a gentleman had been saved from committing suicide after a trip to our field!

I too received a "miracle" cure when I had a painful frozen shoulder, which had defied the best efforts of my doctor. I stood at the field gate for about five minutes and found that it was considerably less painful, by the next day it was completely cured; I have not had any trouble with it since! I think my body"s own healing mechanisms kicked in, the field acting as a catalyst.

We have been informed by "healers" and "experts" in this sort of phenomenon that our field did indeed have special healing powers! Hmmmmmmmmmmm!

Whilst we lived there people were welcome to stand at the gate and enjoy the peace and tranquillity. If it helped them achieve healing for mind and body that was wonderful. We did not make any money out of our "miracle" field, in spite of being encouraged to do so, as we thought that would be wrong. My husband and I are non believers and sceptics, we didn't believe the field had supernatural powers.

Weird stuff of the 'haunted' kind began to occur in the house on an almost daily basis, but that is another story.

We sold the property in 2012.

Interesting. I realize you are agnostic, but do you believe in some 'supernatural' occurrences?
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2/24/2015 10:54:52 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/24/2015 10:16:36 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 2/24/2015 9:55:01 AM, JJ50 wrote:
Little did we realise when we bought our previous property in Wales, a 17th Century farmhouse together with a three acre field, in February 1997 that it would soon be the focus of some weird and wacky events and media attention.

We had only been living in the house for about two weeks when a reporter from our local weekly paper told us that an Irish couple, on a walking tour of the area, had rested at the gate of our hillside field, and had apparently seen a vision of the Virgin Mary. They claimed that they had been healed of their ailments, a frozen shoulder and a cataract.

The national media took an interest in our story, and by June 1997 our quiet country lane was beginning to resemble a mini Lourdes. Many people came looking for a cure; sadly some were dying of cancer. Although I have not heard of anyone who visited our field having been cured of the disease, I have been told that lesser medical problems have responded positively to the vibes supposedly coming from the field. Two Americans claimed to have found healing. One left a note, and another contacted me via a website.

One evening in May 1997 I was standing at the gate of the field when I saw what looked like the popular image of the Virgin Mary. As she was unlikely to have looked anything like the picture book image, I am of the opinion I saw what I wanted to see, my mind having created the 'vision'!

Some years later the local paper reported that a gentleman had been saved from committing suicide after a trip to our field!

I too received a "miracle" cure when I had a painful frozen shoulder, which had defied the best efforts of my doctor. I stood at the field gate for about five minutes and found that it was considerably less painful, by the next day it was completely cured; I have not had any trouble with it since! I think my body"s own healing mechanisms kicked in, the field acting as a catalyst.

We have been informed by "healers" and "experts" in this sort of phenomenon that our field did indeed have special healing powers! Hmmmmmmmmmmm!

Whilst we lived there people were welcome to stand at the gate and enjoy the peace and tranquillity. If it helped them achieve healing for mind and body that was wonderful. We did not make any money out of our "miracle" field, in spite of being encouraged to do so, as we thought that would be wrong. My husband and I are non believers and sceptics, we didn't believe the field had supernatural powers.

Weird stuff of the 'haunted' kind began to occur in the house on an almost daily basis, but that is another story.

We sold the property in 2012.

Interesting. I realize you are agnostic, but do you believe in some 'supernatural' occurrences?

No I think there is a natural explanation for everything, however weird, and believe you me the activity in the house was really crazy! Even if science can't explain it today, I reckon it will be able to do so in the future.
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2/24/2015 11:09:57 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/24/2015 10:54:52 AM, JJ50 wrote:
At 2/24/2015 10:16:36 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 2/24/2015 9:55:01 AM, JJ50 wrote:
Little did we realise when we bought our previous property in Wales, a 17th Century farmhouse together with a three acre field, in February 1997 that it would soon be the focus of some weird and wacky events and media attention.

We had only been living in the house for about two weeks when a reporter from our local weekly paper told us that an Irish couple, on a walking tour of the area, had rested at the gate of our hillside field, and had apparently seen a vision of the Virgin Mary. They claimed that they had been healed of their ailments, a frozen shoulder and a cataract.

The national media took an interest in our story, and by June 1997 our quiet country lane was beginning to resemble a mini Lourdes. Many people came looking for a cure; sadly some were dying of cancer. Although I have not heard of anyone who visited our field having been cured of the disease, I have been told that lesser medical problems have responded positively to the vibes supposedly coming from the field. Two Americans claimed to have found healing. One left a note, and another contacted me via a website.

One evening in May 1997 I was standing at the gate of the field when I saw what looked like the popular image of the Virgin Mary. As she was unlikely to have looked anything like the picture book image, I am of the opinion I saw what I wanted to see, my mind having created the 'vision'!

Some years later the local paper reported that a gentleman had been saved from committing suicide after a trip to our field!

I too received a "miracle" cure when I had a painful frozen shoulder, which had defied the best efforts of my doctor. I stood at the field gate for about five minutes and found that it was considerably less painful, by the next day it was completely cured; I have not had any trouble with it since! I think my body"s own healing mechanisms kicked in, the field acting as a catalyst.

We have been informed by "healers" and "experts" in this sort of phenomenon that our field did indeed have special healing powers! Hmmmmmmmmmmm!

Whilst we lived there people were welcome to stand at the gate and enjoy the peace and tranquillity. If it helped them achieve healing for mind and body that was wonderful. We did not make any money out of our "miracle" field, in spite of being encouraged to do so, as we thought that would be wrong. My husband and I are non believers and sceptics, we didn't believe the field had supernatural powers.

Weird stuff of the 'haunted' kind began to occur in the house on an almost daily basis, but that is another story.

We sold the property in 2012.

Interesting. I realize you are agnostic, but do you believe in some 'supernatural' occurrences?

No I think there is a natural explanation for everything, however weird, and believe you me the activity in the house was really crazy! Even if science can't explain it today, I reckon it will be able to do so in the future.

I would agree with that assessment. I lived in a few "haunted" houses when I was a child (preteen). My mother was constantly 'seeing' things which seemed to be somewhat malevolent. Unfortunately, or fortunately, (however you view it) I never saw or experienced a thing. I eventually attributed it to my mother being very superstitious, or that she was more sensitive to certain stimuli. Either way, this phenomena never bothered me, and I believe it would be more likely to be explained by natural explanations. I would be interested to hear your experiences.
This thread is like eavesdropping on a conversation in a mental asylum. - Bulproof

You can call your invisible friends whatever you like. - Desmac

What the hell kind of coked up sideshow has this thread turned into. - Casten
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2/24/2015 11:18:23 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/24/2015 11:09:57 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 2/24/2015 10:54:52 AM, JJ50 wrote:
At 2/24/2015 10:16:36 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 2/24/2015 9:55:01 AM, JJ50 wrote:
Little did we realise when we bought our previous property in Wales, a 17th Century farmhouse together with a three acre field, in February 1997 that it would soon be the focus of some weird and wacky events and media attention.

We had only been living in the house for about two weeks when a reporter from our local weekly paper told us that an Irish couple, on a walking tour of the area, had rested at the gate of our hillside field, and had apparently seen a vision of the Virgin Mary. They claimed that they had been healed of their ailments, a frozen shoulder and a cataract.

The national media took an interest in our story, and by June 1997 our quiet country lane was beginning to resemble a mini Lourdes. Many people came looking for a cure; sadly some were dying of cancer. Although I have not heard of anyone who visited our field having been cured of the disease, I have been told that lesser medical problems have responded positively to the vibes supposedly coming from the field. Two Americans claimed to have found healing. One left a note, and another contacted me via a website.

One evening in May 1997 I was standing at the gate of the field when I saw what looked like the popular image of the Virgin Mary. As she was unlikely to have looked anything like the picture book image, I am of the opinion I saw what I wanted to see, my mind having created the 'vision'!

Some years later the local paper reported that a gentleman had been saved from committing suicide after a trip to our field!

I too received a "miracle" cure when I had a painful frozen shoulder, which had defied the best efforts of my doctor. I stood at the field gate for about five minutes and found that it was considerably less painful, by the next day it was completely cured; I have not had any trouble with it since! I think my body"s own healing mechanisms kicked in, the field acting as a catalyst.

We have been informed by "healers" and "experts" in this sort of phenomenon that our field did indeed have special healing powers! Hmmmmmmmmmmm!

Whilst we lived there people were welcome to stand at the gate and enjoy the peace and tranquillity. If it helped them achieve healing for mind and body that was wonderful. We did not make any money out of our "miracle" field, in spite of being encouraged to do so, as we thought that would be wrong. My husband and I are non believers and sceptics, we didn't believe the field had supernatural powers.

Weird stuff of the 'haunted' kind began to occur in the house on an almost daily basis, but that is another story.

We sold the property in 2012.

Interesting. I realize you are agnostic, but do you believe in some 'supernatural' occurrences?

No I think there is a natural explanation for everything, however weird, and believe you me the activity in the house was really crazy! Even if science can't explain it today, I reckon it will be able to do so in the future.

I would agree with that assessment. I lived in a few "haunted" houses when I was a child (preteen). My mother was constantly 'seeing' things which seemed to be somewhat malevolent. Unfortunately, or fortunately, (however you view it) I never saw or experienced a thing. I eventually attributed it to my mother being very superstitious, or that she was more sensitive to certain stimuli. Either way, this phenomena never bothered me, and I believe it would be more likely to be explained by natural explanations. I would be interested to hear your experiences.

My childhood home, not in the UK, was 'haunted' by a 'poltergeist', and the activity could be creepy although it wasn't as extensive and weird as the stuff we experienced in our previous property. The poltergeist activity seemed to be centred on my Mother. Now I am an adult I have my own ideas of the why and how that was.
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2/24/2015 12:19:24 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 2/24/2015 11:18:23 AM, JJ50 wrote:
At 2/24/2015 11:09:57 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 2/24/2015 10:54:52 AM, JJ50 wrote:
At 2/24/2015 10:16:36 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 2/24/2015 9:55:01 AM, JJ50 wrote:
Little did we realise when we bought our previous property in Wales, a 17th Century farmhouse together with a three acre field, in February 1997 that it would soon be the focus of some weird and wacky events and media attention.

We had only been living in the house for about two weeks when a reporter from our local weekly paper told us that an Irish couple, on a walking tour of the area, had rested at the gate of our hillside field, and had apparently seen a vision of the Virgin Mary. They claimed that they had been healed of their ailments, a frozen shoulder and a cataract.

The national media took an interest in our story, and by June 1997 our quiet country lane was beginning to resemble a mini Lourdes. Many people came looking for a cure; sadly some were dying of cancer. Although I have not heard of anyone who visited our field having been cured of the disease, I have been told that lesser medical problems have responded positively to the vibes supposedly coming from the field. Two Americans claimed to have found healing. One left a note, and another contacted me via a website.

One evening in May 1997 I was standing at the gate of the field when I saw what looked like the popular image of the Virgin Mary. As she was unlikely to have looked anything like the picture book image, I am of the opinion I saw what I wanted to see, my mind having created the 'vision'!

Some years later the local paper reported that a gentleman had been saved from committing suicide after a trip to our field!

I too received a "miracle" cure when I had a painful frozen shoulder, which had defied the best efforts of my doctor. I stood at the field gate for about five minutes and found that it was considerably less painful, by the next day it was completely cured; I have not had any trouble with it since! I think my body"s own healing mechanisms kicked in, the field acting as a catalyst.

We have been informed by "healers" and "experts" in this sort of phenomenon that our field did indeed have special healing powers! Hmmmmmmmmmmm!

Whilst we lived there people were welcome to stand at the gate and enjoy the peace and tranquillity. If it helped them achieve healing for mind and body that was wonderful. We did not make any money out of our "miracle" field, in spite of being encouraged to do so, as we thought that would be wrong. My husband and I are non believers and sceptics, we didn't believe the field had supernatural powers.

Weird stuff of the 'haunted' kind began to occur in the house on an almost daily basis, but that is another story.

We sold the property in 2012.

Interesting. I realize you are agnostic, but do you believe in some 'supernatural' occurrences?

No I think there is a natural explanation for everything, however weird, and believe you me the activity in the house was really crazy! Even if science can't explain it today, I reckon it will be able to do so in the future.

I would agree with that assessment. I lived in a few "haunted" houses when I was a child (preteen). My mother was constantly 'seeing' things which seemed to be somewhat malevolent. Unfortunately, or fortunately, (however you view it) I never saw or experienced a thing. I eventually attributed it to my mother being very superstitious, or that she was more sensitive to certain stimuli. Either way, this phenomena never bothered me, and I believe it would be more likely to be explained by natural explanations. I would be interested to hear your experiences.

My childhood home, not in the UK, was 'haunted' by a 'poltergeist', and the activity could be creepy although it wasn't as extensive and weird as the stuff we experienced in our previous property. The poltergeist activity seemed to be centred on my Mother. Now I am an adult I have my own ideas of the why and how that was.

Hmm, that is interesting. How would you explain that type of activity?
This thread is like eavesdropping on a conversation in a mental asylum. - Bulproof

You can call your invisible friends whatever you like. - Desmac

What the hell kind of coked up sideshow has this thread turned into. - Casten
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3/4/2015 5:34:23 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
I am just bumping this up. Because I am interested in the explanations which others have, particularly Catholics, for apparent sightings of Mary and 'miracles attributed to the woman. Apart from getting pregnant out of wedlock and giving birth to Jesus, Mary doesn't feature much in the gospels, and her son didn't seem to think much of her!