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GamrDeb8rBbrH8r
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3/3/2015 8:49:42 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
I call it the low GPA analogy.

Let's say that the inhabitibility Earth is a final school grade of, like 20. That's about the percentage of earth that is suited for human life. If an intelligent designer (God) is behind that kind of earth, is a genius behind the final grade?

Earth - less than %20 suited to human life - no intelligent designer
Final grade - less than 20 - no genius
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Electric-Eccentric
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3/3/2015 10:40:16 AM
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Depends on WHAT description of God that is used.

If God is Life. That is easy enough to see, feel and understand.

If God is a invisible character of some sort or a idol of some kind.

That is where the problems start.
Life is what YOU make it,
Most just try and fake it...
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3/3/2015 2:11:59 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/3/2015 8:49:42 AM, GamrDeb8rBbrH8r wrote:
I call it the low GPA analogy.

Let's say that the inhabitibility Earth is a final school grade of, like 20. That's about the percentage of earth that is suited for human life. If an intelligent designer (God) is behind that kind of earth, is a genius behind the final grade?

Earth - less than %20 suited to human life - no intelligent designer
Final grade - less than 20 - no genius

Do you know how many threads there are in this forum about whether or not God exists? Do you know how boring they are to those of us who know the Truth?
GamrDeb8rBbrH8r
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3/3/2015 2:49:06 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/3/2015 10:40:16 AM, Electric-Eccentric wrote:
Depends on WHAT description of God that is used.

If God is Life. That is easy enough to see, feel and understand.

If God is a invisible character of some sort or a idol of some kind.

That is where the problems start.

God = biblical/quranical, omnibenevolent, omnipotent, and omniscient deity
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bornofgod
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3/3/2015 5:36:08 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/3/2015 10:40:16 AM, Electric-Eccentric wrote:
Depends on WHAT description of God that is used.

If God is Life. That is easy enough to see, feel and understand.

If God is a invisible character of some sort or a idol of some kind.

That is where the problems start.

Our Creator is invisible to His creation that gives us life experiences. His creation is made of invisible vibrations where we all exist as characters, ready to be processed into illusions that give us the sense of being something real.

You're correct in saying God is Life but Life is created as vibrations ( information ) first before they're processed into visible objects for us to observe and experience with all our senses that are also made from information.
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3/3/2015 6:07:50 PM
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At 3/3/2015 5:36:08 PM, bornofgod wrote:
At 3/3/2015 10:40:16 AM, Electric-Eccentric wrote:
Depends on WHAT description of God that is used.

If God is Life. That is easy enough to see, feel and understand.

If God is a invisible character of some sort or a idol of some kind.

That is where the problems start.

Our Creator is invisible to His creation that gives us life experiences. His creation is made of invisible vibrations where we all exist as characters, ready to be processed into illusions that give us the sense of being something real.

You're correct in saying God is Life but Life is created as vibrations ( information ) first before they're processed into visible objects for us to observe and experience with all our senses that are also made from information.

EE: You are stuck in a video game it seems. You could just as well tell me that santa is real as you sat on his lap when you were younger and the the tooth fairy is also real as you would leave a tooth under the pillow and end up with a coin.

But keep on vibrating if that is what twists your saintly nipplets.
Life is what YOU make it,
Most just try and fake it...
Electric-Eccentric
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3/3/2015 6:19:41 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/3/2015 2:49:06 PM, GamrDeb8rBbrH8r wrote:
At 3/3/2015 10:40:16 AM, Electric-Eccentric wrote:
Depends on WHAT description of God that is used.

If God is Life. That is easy enough to see, feel and understand.

If God is a invisible character of some sort or a idol of some kind.

That is where the problems start.

God = biblical/quranical, omnibenevolent, omnipotent, and omniscient deity

EE: The invisible Gods that live up in the sky is a popular choice on the wide path of Gods and such.

I find it funny in a way how the religions and science fiction crowd like to pick on the other guys invisible friends and science fiction theories and want to believe that their make believe and pretend invisible Gods and made up theories are the only real and factual conclusions..

nothing new under the sun when those of the many on the wide path try and have their FUN.
Life is what YOU make it,
Most just try and fake it...
TBR
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3/3/2015 6:23:27 PM
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Our Creator is invisible to His creation that gives us life experiences. His creation is made of invisible vibrations where we all exist as characters, ready to be processed into illusions that give us the sense of being something real.

You're correct in saying God is Life but Life is created as vibrations ( information ) first before they're processed into visible objects for us to observe and experience with all our senses that are also made from information.

This is the truth you speak of? Its a damn nice word salad, but its hard to buy at "truth"
RuvDraba
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3/3/2015 6:43:40 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/3/2015 8:49:42 AM, GamrDeb8rBbrH8r wrote:
I call it the low GPA analogy.

There's an even better one, GDBH, and it pertains not to the claim but the competence and integrity of those making it.

A credible claim of creation ought to answer accountably questions like:

* Who created the earth -- including their role, attitude and agency;
* How it was created;
* When it was created; and
* Why it was created.

For revealed lore to be legitimate, any answers to these questions must be consistent with each other, constant over time, and remain consistent with whatever we learn from studying the Earth. Moreover, if revealed lore about our origins offers any insight, it ought to be able to predict specific, surprising and significant facts we could not have known at the time of prediction, yet can independently show to be true.

So what resources can Abrahamic faiths bring to bear on the question?

A staggering amount of people and time.

Within the Abrahamic faiths are something like three billion Christians and Muslims at the moment, and commencing with the earliest Judaic lore, they've had around 3,000 years to pick a doctrine that shows the accuracy of their revealed knowledge about the Earth. Since this is a fundamental question, they've had almost all of human civilisation in which to answer it -- and over time have attracted more adherents than any single other faith.

Yet in all that time, none has accurately and specifically predicted any significant result from geology, biology, botany, paleontology, astrophysics, anthropology, primatology, climatology, medicine or meteorology via religious doctrine.

Nevertheless, secular scientists -- and by secular, I mean scientists of any faith or none -- can correctly predict all manner of surprising facts in these sciences without a single revealed insight, and have been doing so over the last four centuries by virtue of ignoring religious doctrine, making observations, drawing reasonable conclusions, and constantly checking them.

So Abrahamic Creationism has:
* had more chances and effort than anyone in explaining where we come from;
* made countless predictions subsequently falsified; yet
* made no specific, significant, surprising predictions shown to be true; has
* systematically misled billions of people regarding key historical and physical facts, and failed to amend their teachings when challenged;
* exposed its proponents as ignorant, disingenuous and devoid of scholarly integrity and intellectual rigour;
* been used as an excuse to persecute, exile and murder those who have dared question it; and
* been relaunched and exposed on multiple occasions under propaganda manipulations shamelessly trying to copy the language of science and thus steal its credibility.

So regardless of how the Earth came to be or how life might have arisen on it, Abrahamic Creationists should not be consulted for advice, since they are riddled with unacknowledged hypocrisies, conceits and conflicts of interest, have repeatedly demonstrated themselves incompetent, negligent, dishonest and cynical, and over the history of civilisation, nothing they've claimed about our origins -- no matter how strenuously argued -- has shown any benefit to the advancement of science or the human condition.
ChristianPunk
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3/3/2015 9:35:35 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/3/2015 8:49:42 AM, GamrDeb8rBbrH8r wrote:
I call it the low GPA analogy.

Let's say that the inhabitibility Earth is a final school grade of, like 20. That's about the percentage of earth that is suited for human life. If an intelligent designer (God) is behind that kind of earth, is a genius behind the final grade?

Earth - less than %20 suited to human life - no intelligent designer
Final grade - less than 20 - no genius

What makes you think no death or perfection is the idea of intelligent design? I'm not an advocate for ID, but Theistic Evolution, but why can't God allow creation or speciation through the environment of the earth the way it is?
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3/6/2015 10:58:44 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/3/2015 9:35:35 PM, ChristianPunk wrote:
At 3/3/2015 8:49:42 AM, GamrDeb8rBbrH8r wrote:
I call it the low GPA analogy.

Let's say that the inhabitibility Earth is a final school grade of, like 20. That's about the percentage of earth that is suited for human life. If an intelligent designer (God) is behind that kind of earth, is a genius behind the final grade?

Earth - less than %20 suited to human life - no intelligent designer
Final grade - less than 20 - no genius

What makes you think no death or perfection is the idea of intelligent design?

I never equated ID with immortality, but I did with perfection. I think that perfection is the IDea because that would be real evidence for it.

I'm not an advocate for ID, but Theistic Evolution, but why can't God allow creation or speciation through the environment of the earth the way it is?

I never said he couldnt.
"There's no diversity because we're burning in the melting pot."

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