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7/15/2010 6:15:27 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/15/2010 5:50:53 AM, GodSands wrote:
How do people go about it? How do you go about working out what is right/good and what is wrong/evil?
Many reasons and propositions, one being that there are no morals (Moral nihilism), another stating that morals are relative to the person, and all morals are true and false at the same time(Meta-ethical moral relativism), and one stating that given all the facts, there will be differing opinions on what the correct course of action will be (Descriptive moral relativism).
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7/15/2010 6:47:40 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
Society. Parents. Upbringing.

And BTW, just to get to the argument i bet you will inevitably make, no, God is not responsible for our morals. And proof of this is that the morals of today are vastly different from those found, even 500 years ago, and by the most devout christian.
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7/15/2010 7:08:49 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/15/2010 5:50:53 AM, GodSands wrote:
How do people go about it? How do you go about working out what is right/good and what is wrong/evil?

Emotionally it is the result of conditioning, socialisation. Intellectually I base it on intent and consequence.
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7/15/2010 7:29:58 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
Simple.

We've evolved to care about each other as well as be selfish. Both are good for survival when we've been living in social groups for so many years. Indeed, caring/cooperation is to a certain extent often selfish. But people do care about other's welfare to a certain extent, it is often just a matter of who they care about, and what they think is the best way to improve people's lives around them. And of course when people are shocked or made uncomfortable by something sectioning it off as "evil" usually takes place.

Note that gods, who decree morals, only seem to care about those close to those being decreed to...who the gods care about matches up quite well with who their followers care about. Hm.
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7/15/2010 7:39:49 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/15/2010 5:50:53 AM, GodSands wrote:
How do people go about it? How do you go about working out what is right/good and what is wrong/evil?

For me, it has to do with God, personal expaeriences, and the individual situation. But that's me.
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7/15/2010 8:17:39 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/15/2010 7:29:58 AM, Yvette wrote:
Simple.

We've evolved to care about each other as well as be selfish. Both are good for survival when we've been living in social groups for so many years. Indeed, caring/cooperation is to a certain extent often selfish. But people do care about other's welfare to a certain extent, it is often just a matter of who they care about, and what they think is the best way to improve people's lives around them. And of course when people are shocked or made uncomfortable by something sectioning it off as "evil" usually takes place.

Note that gods, who decree morals, only seem to care about those close to those being decreed to...who the gods care about matches up quite well with who their followers care about. Hm.

I've heard this answer numerous times but I've yet to hear how peole derive values from facts.

How do you get an "ought" from an "is"? A prescription from a description? How does describing how humans (and our ancestors) have acted in evolutionary history somehow get us to what is right or what is wrong?
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7/15/2010 9:38:58 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/15/2010 8:17:39 AM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 7/15/2010 7:29:58 AM, Yvette wrote:
Simple.

We've evolved to care about each other as well as be selfish. Both are good for survival when we've been living in social groups for so many years. Indeed, caring/cooperation is to a certain extent often selfish. But people do care about other's welfare to a certain extent, it is often just a matter of who they care about, and what they think is the best way to improve people's lives around them. And of course when people are shocked or made uncomfortable by something sectioning it off as "evil" usually takes place.

Note that gods, who decree morals, only seem to care about those close to those being decreed to...who the gods care about matches up quite well with who their followers care about. Hm.

I've heard this answer numerous times but I've yet to hear how peole derive values from facts.

How do you get an "ought" from an "is"? A prescription from a description? How does describing how humans (and our ancestors) have acted in evolutionary history somehow get us to what is right or what is wrong?

I already explained the first part. It is in your self-interest to cooperate and care about each other when you are in a group, even primates care about each other's welfare--bonobos even care about injured birds.

http://www.pbs.org...

Describing how our ancestors have acted is very relevant. When you have to work together, your group fares better if people act a certain way. Evolution will select for cultures which succeed, in the past this has always been groups which cooperate inside the group. This selects for individuals with a disposition towards empathy and altruism. Again, even primates show this. That tells us it's not some godly moral guideline but the same thing that guides them.
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7/15/2010 9:40:40 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/15/2010 7:39:49 AM, cjl wrote:
At 7/15/2010 5:50:53 AM, GodSands wrote:
How do people go about it? How do you go about working out what is right/good and what is wrong/evil?

For me, it has to do with God, personal expaeriences, and the individual situation. But that's me.

Is that just a "feeling" you've got or do you have some evidence/reasoning?
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7/15/2010 9:42:08 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/15/2010 9:40:40 AM, Yvette wrote:
At 7/15/2010 7:39:49 AM, cjl wrote:
At 7/15/2010 5:50:53 AM, GodSands wrote:
How do people go about it? How do you go about working out what is right/good and what is wrong/evil?

For me, it has to do with God, personal expaeriences, and the individual situation. But that's me.

Is that just a "feeling" you've got or do you have some evidence/reasoning?

In reference to...?
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7/15/2010 9:44:56 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/15/2010 8:17:39 AM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 7/15/2010 7:29:58 AM, Yvette wrote:
Simple.

We've evolved to care about each other as well as be selfish. Both are good for survival when we've been living in social groups for so many years. Indeed, caring/cooperation is to a certain extent often selfish. But people do care about other's welfare to a certain extent, it is often just a matter of who they care about, and what they think is the best way to improve people's lives around them. And of course when people are shocked or made uncomfortable by something sectioning it off as "evil" usually takes place.

Note that gods, who decree morals, only seem to care about those close to those being decreed to...who the gods care about matches up quite well with who their followers care about. Hm.

I've heard this answer numerous times but I've yet to hear how peole derive values from facts.

How do you get an "ought" from an "is"? A prescription from a description? How does describing how humans (and our ancestors) have acted in evolutionary history somehow get us to what is right or what is wrong?

I think her statement was intended to be descriptive rather than normative. She was pre-empting a potential argument from morality.
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7/15/2010 9:57:03 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/15/2010 9:42:08 AM, cjl wrote:
At 7/15/2010 9:40:40 AM, Yvette wrote:
At 7/15/2010 7:39:49 AM, cjl wrote:
At 7/15/2010 5:50:53 AM, GodSands wrote:
How do people go about it? How do you go about working out what is right/good and what is wrong/evil?

For me, it has to do with God, personal expaeriences, and the individual situation. But that's me.

Is that just a "feeling" you've got or do you have some evidence/reasoning?

In reference to...?

Uh, what I quoted? Your statement? How did you arrive at that conclusion?
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7/15/2010 9:58:45 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/15/2010 9:57:03 AM, Yvette wrote:
At 7/15/2010 9:42:08 AM, cjl wrote:
At 7/15/2010 9:40:40 AM, Yvette wrote:
At 7/15/2010 7:39:49 AM, cjl wrote:
At 7/15/2010 5:50:53 AM, GodSands wrote:
How do people go about it? How do you go about working out what is right/good and what is wrong/evil?

For me, it has to do with God, personal expaeriences, and the individual situation. But that's me.

Is that just a "feeling" you've got or do you have some evidence/reasoning?

In reference to...?

Uh, what I quoted? Your statement? How did you arrive at that conclusion?

Uh, which part of it?
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7/15/2010 10:04:25 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/15/2010 9:58:45 AM, cjl wrote:
At 7/15/2010 9:57:03 AM, Yvette wrote:
At 7/15/2010 9:42:08 AM, cjl wrote:
At 7/15/2010 9:40:40 AM, Yvette wrote:
At 7/15/2010 7:39:49 AM, cjl wrote:
At 7/15/2010 5:50:53 AM, GodSands wrote:
How do people go about it? How do you go about working out what is right/good and what is wrong/evil?

For me, it has to do with God, personal expaeriences, and the individual situation. But that's me.

Is that just a "feeling" you've got or do you have some evidence/reasoning?

In reference to...?

Uh, what I quoted? Your statement? How did you arrive at that conclusion?

Uh, which part of it?

...Oh come on.

You answered this question: "How do people go about it? How do you go about working out what is right/good and what is wrong/evil?"

With: "For me, it has to do with God, personal expaeriences, and the individual situation. But that's me."

Therefore, you said that morals have to do with God, personal experiences, and the individual situation.

Now can you please explain your position and reasoning?
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7/15/2010 10:15:26 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/15/2010 10:04:25 AM, Yvette wrote:
At 7/15/2010 9:58:45 AM, cjl wrote:
At 7/15/2010 9:57:03 AM, Yvette wrote:
At 7/15/2010 9:42:08 AM, cjl wrote:
At 7/15/2010 9:40:40 AM, Yvette wrote:
At 7/15/2010 7:39:49 AM, cjl wrote:
At 7/15/2010 5:50:53 AM, GodSands wrote:
How do people go about it? How do you go about working out what is right/good and what is wrong/evil?

For me, it has to do with God, personal expaeriences, and the individual situation. But that's me.

Is that just a "feeling" you've got or do you have some evidence/reasoning?

In reference to...?

Uh, what I quoted? Your statement? How did you arrive at that conclusion?

Uh, which part of it?

...Oh come on.

You answered this question: "How do people go about it? How do you go about working out what is right/good and what is wrong/evil?"

With: "For me, it has to do with God, personal expaeriences, and the individual situation. But that's me."

Therefore, you said that morals have to do with God, personal experiences, and the individual situation.

Now can you please explain your position and reasoning?

My religion has one seed, that stems all my religious ideas. Trust in God. He says do it, you best get to it. I trust in Him. Some people call it stupidity, I call it faith in God. People kill me for it all the time, so to speak. So here it is. I am a pool of blood, you are a vampire. Have it! I get tired of people questioning what I beleive in. If you don't like it, fine, say it and move along.
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7/15/2010 10:19:45 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/15/2010 10:15:26 AM, cjl wrote:
At 7/15/2010 10:04:25 AM, Yvette wrote:
At 7/15/2010 9:58:45 AM, cjl wrote:
At 7/15/2010 9:57:03 AM, Yvette wrote:
At 7/15/2010 9:42:08 AM, cjl wrote:
At 7/15/2010 9:40:40 AM, Yvette wrote:
At 7/15/2010 7:39:49 AM, cjl wrote:
At 7/15/2010 5:50:53 AM, GodSands wrote:
How do people go about it? How do you go about working out what is right/good and what is wrong/evil?

For me, it has to do with God, personal expaeriences, and the individual situation. But that's me.

Is that just a "feeling" you've got or do you have some evidence/reasoning?

In reference to...?

Uh, what I quoted? Your statement? How did you arrive at that conclusion?

Uh, which part of it?

...Oh come on.

You answered this question: "How do people go about it? How do you go about working out what is right/good and what is wrong/evil?"

With: "For me, it has to do with God, personal expaeriences, and the individual situation. But that's me."

Therefore, you said that morals have to do with God, personal experiences, and the individual situation.

Now can you please explain your position and reasoning?

My religion has one seed, that stems all my religious ideas. Trust in God. He says do it, you best get to it. I trust in Him. Some people call it stupidity, I call it faith in God. People kill me for it all the time, so to speak. So here it is. I am a pool of blood, you are a vampire. Have it! I get tired of people questioning what I beleive in. If you don't like it, fine, say it and move along.

You're on a debate forum! You don't state your beliefs on a debate forum and not expect them to be, you know, debated. Come on.

If you reject many parts of your religion, for example the Bible and other aspects of it, based on "feelings", how do you come to this conclusion? How did you come to the conclusion your religion was correct and therefor the (cherry-picked) morality was correct?

If God told you to torture a 100% innocent child, would you?
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"If God does not exist, then chocolate causing cancer is only true for the society that has evidence for that." --GodSands
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7/15/2010 10:22:13 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/15/2010 10:19:45 AM, Yvette wrote:
At 7/15/2010 10:15:26 AM, cjl wrote:
At 7/15/2010 10:04:25 AM, Yvette wrote:
At 7/15/2010 9:58:45 AM, cjl wrote:
At 7/15/2010 9:57:03 AM, Yvette wrote:
At 7/15/2010 9:42:08 AM, cjl wrote:
At 7/15/2010 9:40:40 AM, Yvette wrote:
At 7/15/2010 7:39:49 AM, cjl wrote:
At 7/15/2010 5:50:53 AM, GodSands wrote:
How do people go about it? How do you go about working out what is right/good and what is wrong/evil?

For me, it has to do with God, personal expaeriences, and the individual situation. But that's me.

Is that just a "feeling" you've got or do you have some evidence/reasoning?

In reference to...?

Uh, what I quoted? Your statement? How did you arrive at that conclusion?

Uh, which part of it?

...Oh come on.

You answered this question: "How do people go about it? How do you go about working out what is right/good and what is wrong/evil?"

With: "For me, it has to do with God, personal expaeriences, and the individual situation. But that's me."

Therefore, you said that morals have to do with God, personal experiences, and the individual situation.

Now can you please explain your position and reasoning?

My religion has one seed, that stems all my religious ideas. Trust in God. He says do it, you best get to it. I trust in Him. Some people call it stupidity, I call it faith in God. People kill me for it all the time, so to speak. So here it is. I am a pool of blood, you are a vampire. Have it! I get tired of people questioning what I beleive in. If you don't like it, fine, say it and move along.

You're on a debate forum! You don't state your beliefs on a debate forum and not expect them to be, you know, debated. Come on.

If you reject many parts of your religion, for example the Bible and other aspects of it, based on "feelings", how do you come to this conclusion? How did you come to the conclusion your religion was correct and therefor the (cherry-picked) morality was correct?

If God told you to torture a 100% innocent child, would you?

Oh for f^ck sakes, not again. Oh, this is a religion forum.
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7/15/2010 10:28:02 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/15/2010 10:22:13 AM, cjl wrote:
At 7/15/2010 10:19:45 AM, Yvette wrote:
At 7/15/2010 10:15:26 AM, cjl wrote:
At 7/15/2010 10:04:25 AM, Yvette wrote:
At 7/15/2010 9:58:45 AM, cjl wrote:
At 7/15/2010 9:57:03 AM, Yvette wrote:
At 7/15/2010 9:42:08 AM, cjl wrote:
At 7/15/2010 9:40:40 AM, Yvette wrote:
At 7/15/2010 7:39:49 AM, cjl wrote:
At 7/15/2010 5:50:53 AM, GodSands wrote:
How do people go about it? How do you go about working out what is right/good and what is wrong/evil?

For me, it has to do with God, personal expaeriences, and the individual situation. But that's me.

Is that just a "feeling" you've got or do you have some evidence/reasoning?

In reference to...?

Uh, what I quoted? Your statement? How did you arrive at that conclusion?

Uh, which part of it?

...Oh come on.

You answered this question: "How do people go about it? How do you go about working out what is right/good and what is wrong/evil?"

With: "For me, it has to do with God, personal expaeriences, and the individual situation. But that's me."

Therefore, you said that morals have to do with God, personal experiences, and the individual situation.

Now can you please explain your position and reasoning?

My religion has one seed, that stems all my religious ideas. Trust in God. He says do it, you best get to it. I trust in Him. Some people call it stupidity, I call it faith in God. People kill me for it all the time, so to speak. So here it is. I am a pool of blood, you are a vampire. Have it! I get tired of people questioning what I beleive in. If you don't like it, fine, say it and move along.

You're on a debate forum! You don't state your beliefs on a debate forum and not expect them to be, you know, debated. Come on.

If you reject many parts of your religion, for example the Bible and other aspects of it, based on "feelings", how do you come to this conclusion? How did you come to the conclusion your religion was correct and therefor the (cherry-picked) morality was correct?

If God told you to torture a 100% innocent child, would you?

Oh for f^ck sakes, not again. Oh, this is a religion forum.

Soooo....you want to just state your opinion on a debate forum without having to back anything up.

Why are you here?
In the middle of moving to Washington. 8D

"If God does not exist, then chocolate causing cancer is only true for the society that has evidence for that." --GodSands
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7/15/2010 10:32:42 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 7/15/2010 10:28:02 AM, Yvette wrote:
At 7/15/2010 10:22:13 AM, cjl wrote:
At 7/15/2010 10:19:45 AM, Yvette wrote:
At 7/15/2010 10:15:26 AM, cjl wrote:
At 7/15/2010 10:04:25 AM, Yvette wrote:
At 7/15/2010 9:58:45 AM, cjl wrote:
At 7/15/2010 9:57:03 AM, Yvette wrote:
At 7/15/2010 9:42:08 AM, cjl wrote:
At 7/15/2010 9:40:40 AM, Yvette wrote:
At 7/15/2010 7:39:49 AM, cjl wrote:
At 7/15/2010 5:50:53 AM, GodSands wrote:
How do people go about it? How do you go about working out what is right/good and what is wrong/evil?

For me, it has to do with God, personal expaeriences, and the individual situation. But that's me.

Is that just a "feeling" you've got or do you have some evidence/reasoning?

In reference to...?

Uh, what I quoted? Your statement? How did you arrive at that conclusion?

Uh, which part of it?

...Oh come on.

You answered this question: "How do people go about it? How do you go about working out what is right/good and what is wrong/evil?"

With: "For me, it has to do with God, personal expaeriences, and the individual situation. But that's me."

Therefore, you said that morals have to do with God, personal experiences, and the individual situation.

Now can you please explain your position and reasoning?

My religion has one seed, that stems all my religious ideas. Trust in God. He says do it, you best get to it. I trust in Him. Some people call it stupidity, I call it faith in God. People kill me for it all the time, so to speak. So here it is. I am a pool of blood, you are a vampire. Have it! I get tired of people questioning what I beleive in. If you don't like it, fine, say it and move along.

You're on a debate forum! You don't state your beliefs on a debate forum and not expect them to be, you know, debated. Come on.

If you reject many parts of your religion, for example the Bible and other aspects of it, based on "feelings", how do you come to this conclusion? How did you come to the conclusion your religion was correct and therefor the (cherry-picked) morality was correct?

If God told you to torture a 100% innocent child, would you?

Oh for f^ck sakes, not again. Oh, this is a religion forum.

Soooo....you want to just state your opinion on a debate forum without having to back anything up.

Why are you here?

I hold no obligation to you b*tch. Yes, I called you a b*tch. Get over it.