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3/4/2015 4:57:31 AM
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Note how these laws have never been violated. How do atheists explain the Big Bang through natural means when it cannot have happened under these laws?
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3/4/2015 5:06:53 AM
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At 3/4/2015 4:57:31 AM, PolyCarp wrote:
Note how these laws have never been violated. How do atheists explain the Big Bang through natural means when it cannot have happened under these laws?

So the flaw in atheist thinking is the laws have never been violated save for the Big Bang.

How do theists explant that the laws have never been violated, except for the Godhead and every subsequent creation of His, whatever that may be.

God of the gaps is the short answer.
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3/4/2015 5:38:52 AM
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At 3/4/2015 4:57:31 AM, PolyCarp wrote:
Note how these laws have never been violated. How do atheists explain the Big Bang through natural means when it cannot have happened under these laws?

The second law does now apply to the big bang as it states that entropy tends to increase over TIME. Time is non-existent at T=0. No space means no time. The idea of "before" T=0 also doesn't make any sense since Time itself doesn't exist at of "before" T=0. The question of what was there "before" T=0 therefore doesn't make any sense.

The Big Bang doesn't address creation of matter. It simply addresses the evolution of the universe. Therefore the first law of thermodynamics doesn't apply. The big bang simply explains the transformation of the singularity into the universe; i.e. the creation of time and space, not matter. The laws of physics break down at T=0 thus the concept of before T=0 doesn't make sense. It also means the laws of physics don't apply to T=0 so there is no reason to believe that the first law of thermodynamic applies at T=0. The laws apply at T=0.0000000...........1 but not at T=0.

Trying to apply the laws of physics to T=0 is like trying to use the rules of grammar to solve calculus problems.
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3/4/2015 5:43:28 AM
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At 3/4/2015 4:57:31 AM, PolyCarp wrote:
Note how these laws have never been violated. How do atheists explain the Big Bang through natural means when it cannot have happened under these laws?

1. Do you even know what the definition of those laws are? Can you even name the third and zeroth laws of thermodynamics? Which anyone who actually understands the laws will also know.

2. I friggin quadrilliondruple dare you to justify that "it could not have happened under these laws".
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3/4/2015 6:52:10 AM
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At 3/4/2015 4:57:31 AM, PolyCarp wrote:
Note how these laws have never been violated. How do scientists explain the Big Bang through natural means when it cannot have happened under these laws?

I've corrected it for you.

Firstly, give us your understanding of the Big Bang. I'm fairly sure you are labouring under the delusion that it refers to some kind of a creation event. It doesn't. Look up the word cosmogony. Here, I'll help you:

http://en.wikipedia.org...

Once you have satisfied yourself that you didn't mean the Big Bang, then tell us which cosmogonical theory the first two laws of thermodynamics violate and why. Thank you.
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3/4/2015 6:58:26 AM
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At 3/4/2015 5:43:28 AM, Envisage wrote:
At 3/4/2015 4:57:31 AM, PolyCarp wrote:
Note how these laws have never been violated. How do atheists explain the Big Bang through natural means when it cannot have happened under these laws?

1. Do you even know what the definition of those laws are? Can you even name the third and zeroth laws of thermodynamics? Which anyone who actually understands the laws will also know.

I knew them as a matter of trivia in laymans terms... does that count for anything?

2. I friggin quadrilliondruple dare you to justify that "it could not have happened under these laws".
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3/4/2015 7:30:32 AM
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At 3/4/2015 5:06:53 AM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 3/4/2015 4:57:31 AM, PolyCarp wrote:
Note how these laws have never been violated. How do atheists explain the Big Bang through natural means when it cannot have happened under these laws?

So the flaw in atheist thinking is the laws have never been violated save for the Big Bang.

How do theists explant that the laws have never been violated, except for the Godhead and every subsequent creation of His, whatever that may be.

God of the gaps is the short answer.

That is easy. God created the laws along with everything else, and what he created, he controls.

He has proved that over and again. The next big proof will be Armageddon.
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3/4/2015 7:44:02 AM
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At 3/4/2015 7:30:32 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 3/4/2015 5:06:53 AM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 3/4/2015 4:57:31 AM, PolyCarp wrote:
Note how these laws have never been violated. How do atheists explain the Big Bang through natural means when it cannot have happened under these laws?

So the flaw in atheist thinking is the laws have never been violated save for the Big Bang.

How do theists explant that the laws have never been violated, except for the Godhead and every subsequent creation of His, whatever that may be.

God of the gaps is the short answer.

That is easy. God created the laws along with everything else, and what he created, he controls.

He has proved that over and again. The next big proof will be Armageddon.

If totally defeats the purpose of asking a science based question (even if it misunderstands the science behind it) if the answer is: Magic Man in the sky, duh. That leaves more questions that it answers.
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3/4/2015 8:00:33 AM
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At 3/4/2015 4:57:31 AM, PolyCarp wrote:
Note how these laws have never been violated. How do atheists explain the Big Bang through natural means when it cannot have happened under these laws?

The Big Bang didn't happen under those laws, they were a result of the Big Bang, just like the rest of the laws and theories.
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3/4/2015 8:33:10 AM
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At 3/4/2015 7:44:02 AM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 3/4/2015 7:30:32 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 3/4/2015 5:06:53 AM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 3/4/2015 4:57:31 AM, PolyCarp wrote:
Note how these laws have never been violated. How do atheists explain the Big Bang through natural means when it cannot have happened under these laws?

So the flaw in atheist thinking is the laws have never been violated save for the Big Bang.

How do theists explant that the laws have never been violated, except for the Godhead and every subsequent creation of His, whatever that may be.

God of the gaps is the short answer.

That is easy. God created the laws along with everything else, and what he created, he controls.

He has proved that over and again. The next big proof will be Armageddon.

If totally defeats the purpose of asking a science based question (even if it misunderstands the science behind it) if the answer is: Magic Man in the sky, duh. That leaves more questions that it answers.

If, as people claim science is a search for truth then it defeats the object of science to leave God out, because without him in the equation you'll never get the right answer.

Actually Including God in the equation answers all the questions that science raises.

For instance, according to a Horizon program - Secrets of the Solar System, science is currently struggling to understand how our solar system reached its arrangement.

Realising that God created them to be there, and if necessary guided them into place answers their problem.

God is not magic, nor is he a source of magic. Only the superstitious see anything God does as anything other than completely natural, even if we don;t understand it.
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3/4/2015 8:34:49 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/4/2015 8:31:16 AM, JJ50 wrote:
Your 'truth' is what others would describe as lies!

True, but that doesn't stop it being truth, truth is not dependent on people believing it. It is what it is, and I wish more people had the courage to face it.
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3/4/2015 8:35:15 AM
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At 3/4/2015 8:33:10 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 3/4/2015 7:44:02 AM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 3/4/2015 7:30:32 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 3/4/2015 5:06:53 AM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 3/4/2015 4:57:31 AM, PolyCarp wrote:
Note how these laws have never been violated. How do atheists explain the Big Bang through natural means when it cannot have happened under these laws?

So the flaw in atheist thinking is the laws have never been violated save for the Big Bang.

How do theists explant that the laws have never been violated, except for the Godhead and every subsequent creation of His, whatever that may be.

God of the gaps is the short answer.

That is easy. God created the laws along with everything else, and what he created, he controls.

He has proved that over and again. The next big proof will be Armageddon.

If totally defeats the purpose of asking a science based question (even if it misunderstands the science behind it) if the answer is: Magic Man in the sky, duh. That leaves more questions that it answers.

If, as people claim science is a search for truth then it defeats the object of science to leave God out, because without him in the equation you'll never get the right answer.

Actually Including God in the equation answers all the questions that science raises.

For instance, according to a Horizon program - Secrets of the Solar System, science is currently struggling to understand how our solar system reached its arrangement.

Realising that God created them to be there, and if necessary guided them into place answers their problem.

God is not magic, nor is he a source of magic. Only the superstitious see anything God does as anything other than completely natural, even if we don;t understand it.

AKA God of the Gaps. I already answered it for you.
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3/4/2015 8:41:30 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/4/2015 8:35:15 AM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 3/4/2015 8:33:10 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 3/4/2015 7:44:02 AM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 3/4/2015 7:30:32 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 3/4/2015 5:06:53 AM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 3/4/2015 4:57:31 AM, PolyCarp wrote:
Note how these laws have never been violated. How do atheists explain the Big Bang through natural means when it cannot have happened under these laws?

So the flaw in atheist thinking is the laws have never been violated save for the Big Bang.

How do theists explant that the laws have never been violated, except for the Godhead and every subsequent creation of His, whatever that may be.

God of the gaps is the short answer.

That is easy. God created the laws along with everything else, and what he created, he controls.

He has proved that over and again. The next big proof will be Armageddon.

If totally defeats the purpose of asking a science based question (even if it misunderstands the science behind it) if the answer is: Magic Man in the sky, duh. That leaves more questions that it answers.

If, as people claim science is a search for truth then it defeats the object of science to leave God out, because without him in the equation you'll never get the right answer.

Actually Including God in the equation answers all the questions that science raises.

For instance, according to a Horizon program - Secrets of the Solar System, science is currently struggling to understand how our solar system reached its arrangement.

Realising that God created them to be there, and if necessary guided them into place answers their problem.

God is not magic, nor is he a source of magic. Only the superstitious see anything God does as anything other than completely natural, even if we don;t understand it.

AKA God of the Gaps. I already answered it for you.

Not really. Yes God of the gaps because he fills all the gaps science leaves behind.
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3/4/2015 8:57:02 AM
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how about you morons ignore MCB the way you ignore BoG. this thread actually had solme potential to be interesting.
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3/4/2015 9:02:47 AM
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At 3/4/2015 8:41:30 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 3/4/2015 8:35:15 AM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 3/4/2015 8:33:10 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 3/4/2015 7:44:02 AM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 3/4/2015 7:30:32 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 3/4/2015 5:06:53 AM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 3/4/2015 4:57:31 AM, PolyCarp wrote:
Note how these laws have never been violated. How do atheists explain the Big Bang through natural means when it cannot have happened under these laws?

So the flaw in atheist thinking is the laws have never been violated save for the Big Bang.

How do theists explant that the laws have never been violated, except for the Godhead and every subsequent creation of His, whatever that may be.

God of the gaps is the short answer.

That is easy. God created the laws along with everything else, and what he created, he controls.

He has proved that over and again. The next big proof will be Armageddon.

If totally defeats the purpose of asking a science based question (even if it misunderstands the science behind it) if the answer is: Magic Man in the sky, duh. That leaves more questions that it answers.

If, as people claim science is a search for truth then it defeats the object of science to leave God out, because without him in the equation you'll never get the right answer.

Actually Including God in the equation answers all the questions that science raises.

For instance, according to a Horizon program - Secrets of the Solar System, science is currently struggling to understand how our solar system reached its arrangement.

Realising that God created them to be there, and if necessary guided them into place answers their problem.

God is not magic, nor is he a source of magic. Only the superstitious see anything God does as anything other than completely natural, even if we don;t understand it.

AKA God of the Gaps. I already answered it for you.

Not really. Yes God of the gaps because he fills all the gaps science leaves behind.

How is God filling the gaps science is leaving behind? The bible was written some 4000 years ago. And all that is left is Armageddon. But science in just the last 200 years have replaced all the misconceptions the bible presented about cosmology, science and modern societies. Even the church is forced to recognize scientific discoveries.
Medicine, agriculture, technology, space explorations, internet communications, air travel,, etc, etc are all products of science. The bible had nothing to contribute in their development.
All that is left of Christian beliefs is Armageddon. That is all you and BOG have left to say.
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3/4/2015 9:12:51 AM
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At 3/4/2015 9:02:47 AM, Harikrish wrote:
At 3/4/2015 8:41:30 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 3/4/2015 8:35:15 AM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 3/4/2015 8:33:10 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 3/4/2015 7:44:02 AM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 3/4/2015 7:30:32 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 3/4/2015 5:06:53 AM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 3/4/2015 4:57:31 AM, PolyCarp wrote:
Note how these laws have never been violated. How do atheists explain the Big Bang through natural means when it cannot have happened under these laws?

So the flaw in atheist thinking is the laws have never been violated save for the Big Bang.

How do theists explant that the laws have never been violated, except for the Godhead and every subsequent creation of His, whatever that may be.

God of the gaps is the short answer.

That is easy. God created the laws along with everything else, and what he created, he controls.

He has proved that over and again. The next big proof will be Armageddon.

If totally defeats the purpose of asking a science based question (even if it misunderstands the science behind it) if the answer is: Magic Man in the sky, duh. That leaves more questions that it answers.

If, as people claim science is a search for truth then it defeats the object of science to leave God out, because without him in the equation you'll never get the right answer.

Actually Including God in the equation answers all the questions that science raises.

For instance, according to a Horizon program - Secrets of the Solar System, science is currently struggling to understand how our solar system reached its arrangement.

Realising that God created them to be there, and if necessary guided them into place answers their problem.

God is not magic, nor is he a source of magic. Only the superstitious see anything God does as anything other than completely natural, even if we don;t understand it.

AKA God of the Gaps. I already answered it for you.

Not really. Yes God of the gaps because he fills all the gaps science leaves behind.

How is God filling the gaps science is leaving behind? The bible was written some 4000 years ago. And all that is left is Armageddon. But science in just the last 200 years have replaced all the misconceptions the bible presented about cosmology, science and modern societies. Even the church is forced to recognize scientific discoveries.
Medicine, agriculture, technology, space explorations, internet communications, air travel,, etc, etc are all products of science. The bible had nothing to contribute in their development.
All that is left of Christian beliefs is Armageddon. That is all you and BOG have left to say.

So how come some scientists believe it to be 100% accurate?

Oh no, I have much more than that to say, like, what happens after Armageddon for a start.

However, no one is going to force you to believe it.

Yes, and so many of the products of science are what are driving this planet towards an inability to sustain life.

Even medical science which is contributing to over-population. A good thing for the relatives, but not good for the planet, and, believe it or not, not really good for the ones whose lives it saves.

The point being that Satan wants you to be dazzled by the glitter and not look deeply into these things to see what's happening behind it.

Science has certainly not disproved anything in the bible, or scientists could not believe it to be accurate, and I can prove that some do, but interestingly, no-one seems to want to read what they say about it themselves.

Are they scared their little worlds will be rocked by the truth?
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3/4/2015 9:13:36 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/4/2015 8:57:02 AM, IceCreamforBreakfast wrote:
how about you morons ignore MCB the way you ignore BoG. this thread actually had solme potential to be interesting.

The choice is theirs, lol.
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3/4/2015 9:33:25 AM
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At 3/4/2015 9:12:51 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 3/4/2015 9:02:47 AM, Harikrish wrote:
At 3/4/2015 8:41:30 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 3/4/2015 8:35:15 AM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 3/4/2015 8:33:10 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 3/4/2015 7:44:02 AM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 3/4/2015 7:30:32 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 3/4/2015 5:06:53 AM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 3/4/2015 4:57:31 AM, PolyCarp wrote:
Note how these laws have never been violated. How do atheists explain the Big Bang through natural means when it cannot have happened under these laws?

So the flaw in atheist thinking is the laws have never been violated save for the Big Bang.

How do theists explant that the laws have never been violated, except for the Godhead and every subsequent creation of His, whatever that may be.

God of the gaps is the short answer.

That is easy. God created the laws along with everything else, and what he created, he controls.

He has proved that over and again. The next big proof will be Armageddon.

If totally defeats the purpose of asking a science based question (even if it misunderstands the science behind it) if the answer is: Magic Man in the sky, duh. That leaves more questions that it answers.

If, as people claim science is a search for truth then it defeats the object of science to leave God out, because without him in the equation you'll never get the right answer.

Actually Including God in the equation answers all the questions that science raises.

For instance, according to a Horizon program - Secrets of the Solar System, science is currently struggling to understand how our solar system reached its arrangement.

Realising that God created them to be there, and if necessary guided them into place answers their problem.

God is not magic, nor is he a source of magic. Only the superstitious see anything God does as anything other than completely natural, even if we don;t understand it.

AKA God of the Gaps. I already answered it for you.

Not really. Yes God of the gaps because he fills all the gaps science leaves behind.

How is God filling the gaps science is leaving behind? The bible was written some 4000 years ago. And all that is left is Armageddon. But science in just the last 200 years have replaced all the misconceptions the bible presented about cosmology, science and modern societies. Even the church is forced to recognize scientific discoveries.
Medicine, agriculture, technology, space explorations, internet communications, air travel,, etc, etc are all products of science. The bible had nothing to contribute in their development.
All that is left of Christian beliefs is Armageddon. That is all you and BOG have left to say.

So how come some scientists believe it to be 100% accurate?

Oh no, I have much more than that to say, like, what happens after Armageddon for a start.

However, no one is going to force you to believe it.

Yes, and so many of the products of science are what are driving this planet towards an inability to sustain life.

Even medical science which is contributing to over-population. A good thing for the relatives, but not good for the planet, and, believe it or not, not really good for the ones whose lives it saves.

The point being that Satan wants you to be dazzled by the glitter and not look deeply into these things to see what's happening behind it.

Science has certainly not disproved anything in the bible, or scientists could not believe it to be accurate, and I can prove that some do, but interestingly, no-one seems to want to read what they say about it themselves.

Are they scared their little worlds will be rocked by the truth?

It is the church that is causing overpopulation because it denies people birth control.
Because of science and technology billions are being fed. The God of the bible killed millions with floods, droughts and famines. If people relied on God to provide for them, they would have all starved. Why were you homeless if God provided for believers?
All you have left is Armageddon. If medicine wasn't treating you for your clinical depression and suicidal tendencies you would be worse off than living alone with animals. Think, 4 times you were dumped. Your only choice left is some 3rd world Asian. Religion hasn't worked for you.
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3/4/2015 9:46:03 AM
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At 3/4/2015 8:57:02 AM, IceCreamforBreakfast wrote:
how about you morons ignore MCB the way you ignore BoG. this thread actually had solme potential to be interesting.

Not really. The OP doesn't understand what the 'Big Bang' refers to or that it is not an claim exclusive to atheism. Other posters have already pointed this out.
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3/4/2015 10:31:05 AM
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At 3/4/2015 9:46:03 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 3/4/2015 8:57:02 AM, IceCreamforBreakfast wrote:
how about you morons ignore MCB the way you ignore BoG. this thread actually had solme potential to be interesting.

Not really. The OP doesn't understand what the 'Big Bang' refers to or that it is not an claim exclusive to atheism. Other posters have already pointed this out.

Compared to the rest of the threads in this sub-forum.
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3/4/2015 10:36:13 AM
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At 3/4/2015 9:46:03 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 3/4/2015 8:57:02 AM, IceCreamforBreakfast wrote:
how about you morons ignore MCB the way you ignore BoG. this thread actually had solme potential to be interesting.

Not really. The OP doesn't understand what the 'Big Bang' refers to or that it is not an claim exclusive to atheism. Other posters have already pointed this out.

From what I can see an increasing number of Cosmologists aren't sure about it either.

However for such as me it causes no problems, I am more than content to believe that some sort of controlled explosion is how Jehovah started things off.
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3/4/2015 10:51:32 AM
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At 3/4/2015 10:36:13 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 3/4/2015 9:46:03 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 3/4/2015 8:57:02 AM, IceCreamforBreakfast wrote:
how about you morons ignore MCB the way you ignore BoG. this thread actually had solme potential to be interesting.

Not really. The OP doesn't understand what the 'Big Bang' refers to or that it is not an claim exclusive to atheism. Other posters have already pointed this out.

From what I can see an increasing number of Cosmologists aren't sure about it either.

However for such as me it causes no problems, I am more than content to believe that some sort of controlled explosion is how Jehovah started things off.

Being dumped 4 times and then by JW, these 5 dumplings should have started things off for you. Why are you stuck at Armageddon?
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3/4/2015 11:48:51 AM
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At 3/4/2015 10:36:13 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 3/4/2015 9:46:03 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 3/4/2015 8:57:02 AM, IceCreamforBreakfast wrote:
how about you morons ignore MCB the way you ignore BoG. this thread actually had solme potential to be interesting.

Not really. The OP doesn't understand what the 'Big Bang' refers to or that it is not an claim exclusive to atheism. Other posters have already pointed this out.

From what I can see an increasing number of Cosmologists aren't sure about it either.

They're not sure the expansion of the universe run in reverse leads to a starting point for the universe? That is news to me.

However for such as me it causes no problems, I am more than content to believe that some sort of controlled explosion is how Jehovah started things off.

Fair enough. I am content to leave magic out of the equation and just say I don't know what began the expansion of the universe. Arguments from ignorance are illogical.
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3/4/2015 11:52:57 AM
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At 3/4/2015 4:57:31 AM, PolyCarp wrote:
Note how these laws have never been violated. How do atheists explain the Big Bang through natural means when it cannot have happened under these laws?

All the laws that govern God's illusions during this first age will change in the New Heaven and Earth so whatever physicists have been telling you will not exist in Paradise.

Anyone can Google information and pretend they know something that physicists have spent their entire life trying to figure out. I call these Googlers, plagiarizers who use this knowledge and pretend they know something.
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3/4/2015 12:30:52 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/4/2015 11:48:51 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 3/4/2015 10:36:13 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 3/4/2015 9:46:03 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 3/4/2015 8:57:02 AM, IceCreamforBreakfast wrote:
how about you morons ignore MCB the way you ignore BoG. this thread actually had solme potential to be interesting.

Not really. The OP doesn't understand what the 'Big Bang' refers to or that it is not an claim exclusive to atheism. Other posters have already pointed this out.

From what I can see an increasing number of Cosmologists aren't sure about it either.

They're not sure the expansion of the universe run in reverse leads to a starting point for the universe? That is news to me.

However for such as me it causes no problems, I am more than content to believe that some sort of controlled explosion is how Jehovah started things off.

Fair enough. I am content to leave magic out of the equation and just say I don't know what began the expansion of the universe. Arguments from ignorance are illogical.

That is true, that is why I never use them.
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3/4/2015 12:39:51 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/4/2015 11:52:57 AM, bornofgod wrote:
At 3/4/2015 4:57:31 AM, PolyCarp wrote:
Note how these laws have never been violated. How do atheists explain the Big Bang through natural means when it cannot have happened under these laws?

All the laws that govern God's illusions during this first age will change in the New Heaven and Earth so whatever physicists have been telling you will not exist in Paradise.

Anyone can Google information and pretend they know something that physicists have spent their entire life trying to figure out. I call these Googlers, plagiarizers who use this knowledge and pretend they know something.

Didn't you say God made you go through videos of QM, that you didn't know anything about physics till God spoke to you to check those videos. Unfortunately you lacked the education to properly understand the videos.
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3/4/2015 3:34:38 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/4/2015 12:39:51 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 3/4/2015 11:52:57 AM, bornofgod wrote:
At 3/4/2015 4:57:31 AM, PolyCarp wrote:
Note how these laws have never been violated. How do atheists explain the Big Bang through natural means when it cannot have happened under these laws?

All the laws that govern God's illusions during this first age will change in the New Heaven and Earth so whatever physicists have been telling you will not exist in Paradise.

Anyone can Google information and pretend they know something that physicists have spent their entire life trying to figure out. I call these Googlers, plagiarizers who use this knowledge and pretend they know something.

Didn't you say God made you go through videos of QM, that you didn't know anything about physics till God spoke to you to check those videos. Unfortunately you lacked the education to properly understand the videos.

If you listened to the voice of the Lord that I've been testifying to for the past 6 years and 9 months, instead of constantly judging me and accusing me of being an alcoholic mental case, you would learn that I possess more knowledge of God than anyone on this planet. But as long as you believe I'm nothing but an alcoholic misfit, then you won't get any information from the mind of God.