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Rant
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3/6/2015 5:58:10 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
In the words of the Bible, "On the same day the Lord made a covenant with Abram, saying: 'To your descendants I have given this land..."' (Genesis 15:18). It is interesting to note that the Hebrew verb used in the Scriptures is natati, meaning "I have given" (past tense). This passage implies that God had already given the land to the Jews at some earlier time, though this is the first record of such a promise. Rabbinic commentators suggest, however, that God had set aside the land of Israel for His people already at the time of Creation.

In other words, the Jewish rights to the land were always part of the very fabric of Creation. They are eternal and unconditional. God promised Abraham, "I will give to you, and to your descendants after you, the land of your sojourning, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession." God also covenanted with Ishmael, regarded as the father of the Arab people. However, that promise was for nationhood, not land. But the land of Israel was not just a Divine promise. It was also the home of our forefathers, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and their wives, Sarah, Rebekah, Rachel and Leah.
For the past 3,000 years there was always a Jewish presence in the Holy Land. Israel is at the core of Jewish identity and peoplehood; the land shapes the Jews' self image and character as a community covenanted with God. Indeed, to repudiate the link between the Jews and the land of Israel is to repudiate the Bible itself. To denigrate the centrality of Israel for God's people is to distort God's Word.
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3/7/2015 2:03:26 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/6/2015 6:01:40 PM, Rant wrote:
See> Boys> Israel is not going any where!

When Noah divided the Land among his three sons, Shem received the middle portion, from the delta of the of the river of Egypt, north to Lebanon and south to India, while Ham received the land of Africa to the south, and Japheth received the land to the north of Lebanon, which according to the book of Jubilees 8: 30; It is said that the Land of Japheth included the five great islands and a great land in the north. But it is cold, and the land of Ham is Hot, and the land of Shem (The middle son) is neither hot nor cold, but it is of blended cold and heat.

The sons of Noah then divided their portion of land among their sons, and it is written in Jubilees 9: 14; "And thus the sons of Noah divided unto their sons in the presence of Noah their father, and he bound them all by an oath, imprecating a curse on everyone who sought to seize the portion that had not fallen to him by lot. And they all said, "So be it; so be it," for themselves and for their sons for ever throughout their generations til the day of judgement, etc."

Then in chapter 10: 29; we read; "And Canaan saw the land of Lebanon to the river Egypt, that it was very good, and he went not into the land of his inheritance to the west (That is to) the sea, and he dwelt in the land of Lebanon, eastward and westward from the border of the Jordan and from the border of the sea. And Ham his father, and Cush and Mizraim, his brothers said unto him: "Thou hast settled in a land which is not thine, and which did not fall to us by lot: do not do so; for if thou dost do so, thou and thy sons will fall in the land and be accursed through sedition; for by sedition ye have settled; and by sedition will thy children fall, and thou shalt be rooted out forever, etc.

The Jews who are the legal heir to that land, are merely trying to protect themselves from those who have sworn to drive them into the sea.
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3/7/2015 2:32:19 AM
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Israel should never have been created in 1948, without a state for the
Palestinians too. I am not anti-semitic , but the idea that the Jews are special to the Biblical deity is silly nonsense concocted by the Biblical OT authors! The Jews are just the same as the rest of humanity, nothing special.
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3/7/2015 6:27:32 AM
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At 3/7/2015 2:32:19 AM, JJ50 wrote:
Israel should never have been created in 1948, without a state for the
Palestinians too. I am not anti-semitic , but the idea that the Jews are special to the Biblical deity is silly nonsense concocted by the Biblical OT authors! The Jews are just the same as the rest of humanity, nothing special.

WRONG!
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3/7/2015 8:59:42 AM
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JJ50. your as dumb as they come but you still thread on things you have no idea about! There was a state made for them { Jordan} But this is not my point here. When the nation came back to their home land after some 2000 years they asked all arabs to stay and live with them!!! But Egypt and the other nations around the new state of Israel told them to get out so they can wipe the new state of Israel off the face of the earth, then they could come back and take what they wished! But that never happened. the arabs just keep loosing every war to the Jewish nation time after time { Its like some kind of supernatural protection}
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3/7/2015 9:09:49 AM
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At 3/7/2015 8:59:42 AM, Rant wrote:
JJ50. your as dumb as they come but you still thread on things you have no idea about! There was a state made for them { Jordan} But this is not my point here. When the nation came back to their home land after some 2000 years they asked all arabs to stay and live with them!!! But Egypt and the other nations around the new state of Israel told them to get out so they can wipe the new state of Israel off the face of the earth, then they could come back and take what they wished! But that never happened. the arabs just keep loosing every war to the Jewish nation time after time { Its like some kind of supernatural protection}
American aid is not supernatural.
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3/7/2015 9:11:08 AM
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Not only are the scriptures filled with the common theme of a return of Jewish people to the land of Israel in the last days, but in 1948 it became a reality and since then we have seen millions of Jews return to the land. For the Christian, this ought to bring excitement and hope. For we know that the anti-Christ cannot rise to sign a treaty with Israel if there is no nation of Israel. So when the nation of Israel was restored in 1948 we can be assured that God is setting the stage for the prophetic events of the Tribulation and we know that the Rapture must be near. Thus Israel being in the land today should indeed give every Christian a great hope, something to rejoice about, and a reason to stand by Israel in these last days as we await the return of Jesus, our great God and Savior. There should be no doubt in the evangelical Christian world today that Israel in the land since 1948 is truly a direct fulfillment of Bible prophecy!
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3/7/2015 9:14:20 AM
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Pres> you can say anything you want but the state of Israel will survive when America and nations like Russia are on the scrap heap of history! Enjoy
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3/7/2015 9:20:33 AM
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Some have said that predictions of the soon return of Christ have been made in every generation and that none have them have ever come true; so what makes this generation and time any different? Primarily it is because of the rebirth of Israel that we can know for certain that the end of days is at hand. This event therefore is the primary sign that should grab our attention and wake us up from any doubt that the Return of Christ is drawing near.
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3/7/2015 9:28:44 AM
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Hundreds, perhaps thousands, of Bible passages predict the return of Israel to the land of Palestine. Here are only two.

Ezekiel 20:34 - "I will bring you from the nations and gather you from the countries where you have been scattered -- with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm and with outpoured wrath."

Isaiah 11:11-12 NIV - "In that day the Lord will reach out his hand a second time to reclaim the remnant that is left of his people from Assyria, from Lower Egypt, from Upper Egypt, from Cush, from Elam, from Babylonia, from Hamath and from the islands of the sea. He will raise a banner for the nations and gather the exiles of Israel; he will assemble the scattered people of Judah from the four quarters of the earth."
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3/7/2015 2:23:28 PM
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Its very intro that people say no prophecy from the bible ever came true!. then you say to them how about the state of Israel . then Denial starts . We know there could be no end time prophecy of the bible without the state of Israel in your face. But denial is the name of the game.
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3/7/2015 3:22:04 PM
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At 3/7/2015 9:11:08 AM, Rant wrote:
Not only are the scriptures filled with the common theme of a return of Jewish people to the land of Israel in the last days, but in 1948 it became a reality and since then we have seen millions of Jews return to the land. For the Christian, this ought to bring excitement and hope. For we know that the anti-Christ cannot rise to sign a treaty with Israel if there is no nation of Israel. So when the nation of Israel was restored in 1948 we can be assured that God is setting the stage for the prophetic events of the Tribulation and we know that the Rapture must be near. Thus Israel being in the land today should indeed give every Christian a great hope, something to rejoice about, and a reason to stand by Israel in these last days as we await the return of Jesus, our great God and Savior. There should be no doubt in the evangelical Christian world today that Israel in the land since 1948 is truly a direct fulfillment of Bible prophecy!

The tribulation occurs at the close of the sixth day,or the sixth period of one thousand years, immediately before the Great Sabbath of one thousand years, and the rapture does not happen until after the thousand year "DAY OF THE LORD" is over, then will the last trumpet sound as fire descends from heaven and incinerates all physical life on this planet.

But we shall not all fall asleep in death, for at the sound of the last trumpet, we shall be translated in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, from bodies of corruptible matter, into bodies of incorruptible and blinding light, and be caught up to heaven to sit with Jesus in the throne of the MOST HIGH in the creation where we shall judge even the angels.
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3/7/2015 3:54:15 PM
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The tribulation occurs at the close of the sixth day,or the sixth period of one thousand years, immediately before the Great Sabbath of one thousand years, and the rapture does not happen until after the thousand year "DAY OF THE LORD" is over, nO >YOU HAVE NO CLUE SOME TRUE SOME HALF THROUTHS> tHJATS THE WAY APOSTACY WORKS. eNJOY
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3/7/2015 3:58:23 PM
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Gen . you are the worst of the worst> when you see a snake you Know its a snake but when you have a snake with a bit of truth in its mouth> that's a worst snake you can come across!
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3/7/2015 4:10:13 PM
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During the start of His ministry the body of Pharisees would have been interested to hear what Jesus had to say. They were interested to hear what any teacher in Israel had to say. The problem that they had with Jesus was His monumental claims and the authority in which He spoke. No man had ever spoken like this man, and no man had ever won the favor of the masses so quickly and so thoroughly. He even went so far as to claim that He was the very reason for Torah and the fulfillment of it. Their opposition against him grew to the point that they had plotted His death. When Jesus was to be arrested the Pharisees were among those that came to take Him away:

John 18:2-3 "Then Judas, having received a detachment of troops, and officers from the chief priests and Pharisees, came there with lanterns, torches, and weapons"
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3/7/2015 4:47:17 PM
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If ever ethnic cleansing were justifiable, surely, asserting one's national land-rights to be part of the fabric of creation is among the strongest of reasons.

Really, no state force or hate-group should commence a policy of ethnic cleansing before first consulting the leaders of their faith to see whether there is sufficient cause.

Conversely, having done so should be accepted as a 'due diligence' moral defense at any war-crimes tribunal, for any crime against humanity.

Thank you Rant, for this insightful moral examination of what has proven after all, to be a very simple and morally unambiguous problem.

My suggestion is that you refer it now to the United Nations, and to your own government to update policy.
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3/7/2015 5:04:09 PM
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At 3/6/2015 5:58:10 PM, Rant wrote:
In the words of the Bible, "On the same day the Lord made a covenant with Abram, saying: 'To your descendants I have given this land..."' (Genesis 15:18). It is interesting to note that the Hebrew verb used in the Scriptures is natati, meaning "I have given" (past tense). This passage implies that God had already given the land to the Jews at some earlier time, though this is the first record of such a promise. Rabbinic commentators suggest, however, that God had set aside the land of Israel for His people already at the time of Creation.

In other words, the Jewish rights to the land were always part of the very fabric of Creation. They are eternal and unconditional. God promised Abraham, "I will give to you, and to your descendants after you, the land of your sojourning, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession." God also covenanted with Ishmael, regarded as the father of the Arab people. However, that promise was for nationhood, not land. But the land of Israel was not just a Divine promise. It was also the home of our forefathers, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and their wives, Sarah, Rebekah, Rachel and Leah.
For the past 3,000 years there was always a Jewish presence in the Holy Land. Israel is at the core of Jewish identity and peoplehood; the land shapes the Jews' self image and character as a community covenanted with God. Indeed, to repudiate the link between the Jews and the land of Israel is to repudiate the Bible itself. To denigrate the centrality of Israel for God's people is to distort God's Word.

Not ONE Christian or Jew or Muslim understands why God changed the name of Jacob to Israel.
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3/7/2015 5:38:29 PM
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Not ONE Christian or Jew or Muslim understands why God changed the name of Jacob to Israel. . Born. your another bumb as they come threader. > Israel has a date with Jacobs troubles and the 70th week. And then into the mill. Enjoy but no Ghost>no understanding.
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3/7/2015 6:01:42 PM
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At 3/7/2015 3:54:15 PM, Rant wrote:
The tribulation occurs at the close of the sixth day,or the sixth period of one thousand years, immediately before the Great Sabbath of one thousand years, and the rapture does not happen until after the thousand year "DAY OF THE LORD" is over, nO >YOU HAVE NO CLUE SOME TRUE SOME HALF THROUTHS> tHJATS THE WAY APOSTACY WORKS. eNJOY

Everything I say is supported by the Holy Scriptures, and I don't mean the few limited books that were compiled into the canon of the Roman universal church that was established by Emperor Constantine in 323 AD. The limited canon that was compiled by Jerome, who, with others, translated some the Greek books into the Latin Vulgate in the late 4th century.

Do you know that the Holy Scriptures reveal that Elijah will appear just before the day of tribulation, (See Malachi 4: 5.) and gather to himself the required number of Jews and gentiles, who will take the thrones that have been prepared for them, from where they shall rule as kings for one thousand years?

And it is then, and only then, that the Most High shall send forth his salvation in the visitation of an only begotten prophet. (Enoch the righteous prophet of God who was anointed by the MOST HIGH in the creation as his successor)

And He shall descend through time and enter the first temple, (The body of Jesus) and there shall the Lord be treated with outrage and He shall be lifted up upon a tree. And the veil of that temple shall be rent, and the spirit of God shall be passed onto the Gentiles as fire poured forth.
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3/7/2015 6:19:11 PM
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Everything I say is supported by the Holy Scriptures> No. you have no understanding at All !
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3/7/2015 6:26:19 PM
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At 3/7/2015 5:38:29 PM, Rant wrote:
Not ONE Christian or Jew or Muslim understands why God changed the name of Jacob to Israel. . Born. your another bumb as they come threader. > Israel has a date with Jacobs troubles and the 70th week. And then into the mill. Enjoy but no Ghost>no understanding.

Jacob has no troubles at all but Israel surely does. Not until the Remnant of Israel is dead will the rest of Israel understand who Jacob is.
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3/7/2015 6:36:28 PM
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Gen> Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
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3/7/2015 7:02:45 PM
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At 3/7/2015 6:23:00 PM, Rant wrote:
As I said some truth some half truth and some world talk {satan talk}

And so, Rant has revealed that any scriptures that were not compiled by Jerome as the canon for the universal church that was established in the forth century by Emperor Constantine, are the words of Satan.

Therefore, the revelation in the Book of Jubilees that Noah divided the land among his three sons, and that the land from the delta of the Nile in the south, to Lebanon in the north, and east to India, was allocated to Shem, is another lie of Satan.

Plus Luke, who claims that Shelah is not the son of Arpachshad as seen in the Old Testament, which is in the canon of the universal church of Constantine, Genesis 11: 12; and 1st Chronicles 1: 18; but was the son of Kainan=Cainan as revealed in the book of Jubilees and Luke 3: 35-36; which Rant now claims is another lie of Satan.

I think Rant is to afraid to eat the words of the Lord, which the Great prostitute who sits on the seven hills of Rome, has declared to be poison to her little dumb children,
Who, if they do eat of the entire body of the Pascal Lamb, as was the command of God, not just the dainty bits that titillate the taste buds of their mind, but even the head, feet and intestines, they might then begin to see through her lying and deceptive spirit=teachings.
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3/7/2015 7:10:09 PM
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I think Rant is to afraid to eat the words of the Lord, which the Great prostitute who sits on the seven hills of Rome, has declared to be poison to her little dumb children,
Who, if they do eat of the entire body of the Pascal Lamb, as was the command of God, not just the dainty bits that titillate the taste buds of their mind, but even the head, feet and intestines, they might then begin to see through her lying and deceptive spirit=teachings. > I don't understand what your trying to say!
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3/7/2015 7:24:46 PM
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Continued from Post#26.

The Last Testament of Benjamin to his children: 9: 1-2; (1) And I believe that there shall be evil doings among you, from the words of Enoch the righteous: that yea shall commit fornication with the fornication of Sodom. (When the men of Gebeah in the territory of Benjamin raped and sodomised to death, the concubine of Jonathan the grandson of Moses) and ye shall perish, all save a few.

The few, are the 600 fighting men from the tribe of Dan, who survived the slaughter of all the inhabitants of the land of Benjamin, by the brother tribes because of what had been done to Jonathan"s concubine)

Nevertheless the Temple of God (The new glorious Temple of light which will dwell on earth among mankind) shall be in your portion, and the last (Temple) shall be more glorious than the first. And the twelve tribes shall be gathered there (At the second more glorious Temple, the translated body of Elijah) and all the Gentiles, until the Most High shall send forth his salvation in the visitation of an only begotten prophet. (Enoch the righteous prophet of God who was anointed by the MOST HIGH in the creation as his successor)

And He shall enter the first temple, (The body of Jesus) and there shall the Lord be treated with outrage and He shall be lifted up upon a tree. And the veil of that temple shall be rent, and the spirit of God shall be passed onto the Gentiles as fire poured forth. And He shall ascend from Hades and shall pass from earth into heaven. And I know how lowly he shall be upon earth, and how glorious in heaven.

Gentorev.........Because the tribe of Benjamin (The 12th to be born) had been destroyed by his brother tribes of Israel, who killed every man, woman and child in the Land of Benjamin, the 12th tribe was lost, it was for this reason that the 12th disciple was pre-destined to be lost also. See Judges 20: 48.

The 600 survivors of that great slaughter, although they were descended from Shaharaim the Benjaminite, they were also the descendants of Abitub, one of the two sons born to Hushim the adopted daughter of the sterile giant, 'Dan,' who was one of the wives of Shaharaim the Benjminite. See 1st Chronicles 8: 8-11.

Those 600 survivors, were of the tribe of Dan, who could not remove the original inhabitants from the land that was allocated to them in Canaan, and they were forced to live in the hill country with their brother tribe "Benjamin." See Judges 19: 47.

The survivors were given 4 hundred virgins, who were the descendants of Dinah and Shechem by whom she was raped, and were allowed to kidnap another 2 hundred Israelite virgins, who were dancing in the festival at Shiloh. These 600 young virgins were taken by force, and that"s rape in any man"s language.

Later, when the land of Benjamin was divided between the tribe of Judah and the northern tribes of Israel, the 600 Danites, with their wives, their children and all their possessions (They weren't coming back) and after convincing Jonathan the grandson of Moses to be their priest and stealing the silver idol of Micah, which I believe was an eagle, they moved up north into the land of Sidon, where in the ships of Dan, they became seafaring merchants and were finally lost into the nations of Rome and Greece. See Judges 18: 11-22.

The psuedo tribe of Benjamin, which is spoken of after the great slaughter in which the brother tribes of Israel had killed every man, woman and child in the Land of Benjamin the 12th tribe, consisted of children who had been born of Benjaminite women who had married into the other tribes.

When the Israelites returned from their captivity in Babylon, the pseudo tribe of Benjamin the 12th tribe, were settled in Kerioth Hazor, and the name "Iscariot" means "Man of Kerioth." Judas Iscariot was the 12th chosen disciple and the one, who was predetermined to be lost.

The 11 remaining disciples did not have the authority to choose a replacement to Judas, it was the Lord Jesus himself, in his new glorious body of brilliant and blinding light, who, on the road to Damascus, chose Saul/Paul who died in Rome and who was the son of a Benjaminite father and a Roman mother, to gather the lost sheep of Israel to replace the tribe of Benjamin.

In Revelation the 144,000 elect and chosen ones, who are to rule the Sabbath of one thousand years, are chosen from the 12 tribes of Israel, 12 thousand from each tribe, but you will find none from the tribe of Dan's adopted daughter Hushim, who is actually the daughter of his mother Bilhah, which child was conceived, by the rape of Reuben the firstborn of Israel.
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3/7/2015 7:41:56 PM
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At 3/7/2015 6:36:28 PM, Rant wrote:
Gen> Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

There are many scripture talking Christians who believed like the religious Jews did. The more you memorize and use scriptures, the more saintly you become.

God made us saints, had us read the scriptures for a while, then has us testify to the invisible Word of God, which is our created existence. We learn that the Bible consists of religious traditions, Babylonian teachings and other lies. This is why God guides us to the scriptures He wants us to use to back up the knowledge that we testify to.

Scripture talkers use scriptures to back up their lies about their religion called Christianity and the Bible they use as their word of God. However, their Word of God is NOT the LIVING WORD that gives God's people life experiences.
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3/7/2015 7:52:33 PM
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Gen> your a work of art. you should get together with born??? that would be so good that even Lucifer would put a smile on his face.